But surely if Augustus Verginius dies, Arretium shall fall. The Gauls will be eager to take revenge. Where is the legion nearest Arretium?
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But surely if Augustus Verginius dies, Arretium shall fall. The Gauls will be eager to take revenge. Where is the legion nearest Arretium?
It appears that the cunning Gauls are not as weak as we assume, perhaps we should not underestimate them again. If Augustus Verginius falls and his army is routed what shall we do? Where is the nearest available Legion? Where did this ambush take place?
Regardless of the outcome we should not lose our heads and go charging off on some foolish quest to conquer the Gallic homeland. If the war is to continue then let us strengthen our northern frontier, increase the garrisons in the narby towns and consrtuct forts to block all access from the mountains. We should make ourselves impregnable before attacking these barbarians.
Excuse me First Consul, may I ask if I am present with the ambushed army? or am I up the road in enemy territory?
I think that it was madness of the first consul to attempt to engage the Gauls with only one Legion. Your impetuousness may have cost us a Legion and a very fine General, not to mention a very close friend.
My worries were right, Caradog of Samarabriva and his army are sighted west of Jenuensis by our spy Decius Curtius. It was my intention to have tribune Publius Pansa and his legion, currently still residing in Jenuensis, to meet up with tribune Augustus Verginius and the Roman Legion I and together, with the strength of a consular army, to take Caradog on and any other comers. However, Lucco spoiled this plan with his ambush. Still, I have great faith in our soldiers and tribune Augustus Verginius in particular, otherwise I would never have entrusted him with this command. If he is victorious without massive losses, I will continue to carry out this plan. If all fails and yet I survive, I will ask consul Quintus to march northwards with his legion and meet up with tribune Publius Pansa.
It was thus never my intention to counter this force with just one legion.
There are also the reinforcements led by tribune Amulius Coruncanius and my own small detachment nearby and the garrison of Bononia. If the legion is routed, these remnants may still combine into a decent force of near legion strength. Lastly there is the Roman Legion II stationed in Patavium, led by Tiberius Coruncanius. In total number of troops the Gauls and we seem to be almost equal.
I have full faith in our Consul in the matters at hand and he has my full support. Senators we are at war and war is not a simple matter. We were very very fortunate in our battles against Pyrrhus and the Carthaginian but we must not be lulled into a false sense that all of our wars will be as straightforward and simple as these have been. Do not despair for as yet nothing has been lost. Indeed you even forget how well we have done against the Gaul so far in the war. Does your faith flutter so easily at the slightest sign of difficulty? We are Romans and whether we win or lose this single battle at the hands of the Gaul is irrelevant. We will triumph as Jupiter is our witness and our aid. We will triumph as long as we can still grasp a hilt. Be strong and take heart in the command of our Consul. He has not failed us yet and I dont believe he shall.
The might of Rome cannot stand up to repeated ambushes. I fear that despite Augustus Verginius's best efforts, he and his entire legion shall fall. The Gauls know their land better than we do, we ought to cease expanding further than the Alps.
Senators, even if good Virginius wins the battle, his army will surely be bloodied and in no condition to fight. It is clear that we need a new army to take his place.
While decorum forbids me from entering motions at this time, I strongly suggest the following happens, and plan to enter these as motions once the time is right.
First of all, a new Praetorian army, possibly a Consular one, is to be raised ASAP.
Second, that army should be sent to Gaul as a raiding force. You senators are correct when saying that holding the Gallic provinces are of no value. But if we simply sack them, and loot/raze every stinking building in them, it will surely improve our finances.
I volunteer to be the eyes of this raiding force. The Gauls must pay for what they did. We shall take the fight to their homelands!
Your proposal has merit, Quintus Classicianus, but what if the raiding force itself was ambushed? These Gauls have proved to be cunning warriors and skilled ambushers; we ought to procede with caution.
*The Senate doors are thrown open and a man appears in the entrance, his face pale, his body covered in blood.*
Conscript fathers! It was an ambush! I know not how, but they fell on us... Gauls, thousands of them! We had been trudging through a blinding snowstorm to meet up with Consul Aemilius when we heard a mighty roar from the left...
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I do not know how it happened, I barely had time to think. The rearguard was still inside a small copse of trees and I ordered the rest of the men to rally around them. In truth, I had little to do with it, it was the centurians who reacted fastest. We had only just formed some semblance of a line when the mass broke upon us!
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I... I cannot describe the horror of the sound of that impact. I have seen war before, but not like this. It was like the Underworld, I tell you! Our line bent back on itself as their mass overwhelmed us, pushing us back. For a while it seemed as though the men would break. The Legion, they stood their ground, they made the Gauls pay for every inch of soil, but we had not enough men... not enough...
They flanked us! Bypassed the right wing and turned upon us from the rear! There were no reinforcements, no rescue, no one to fend off the deathblow... so I looked to my men. The seventeen brave souls who have served me on this campaign; it was to them I looked. We all knew it would be our deaths, but it was an end we gladly accepted in defense of the Republic. We charged, oh... what a glorious charge...
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The Gauls though would not break, would not let up their relentless assault. My men were too few, their bravery outweighing their numbers. We charged again and again until we were but a scattered few. My men... my brave men... it seemed only a moment had passed, yet I could see not a single one of my companions. The Gauls remained though, the Legion still in crisis and I still drew breath... so I charged again alone.
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I took down three of the beasts, but they swarmed up at me without end. I saw my end in a spear thrust to the face, when suddenly a sword caught the deadly point and turned it. I wiped the blood from my eyes and saw Luca Mamilius, the foremost of my guard and a personal friend who had ridden with me since he left the Academy. He had gathered with him the four other survivors of my guard and they had cut their way through the Gauls to aid me. He looked at me hard and gestured to the left flank. I followed his arm and then I saw him... the demon of hell himself, Lucco! He had turned the other flank and was viciously cutting through the unarmored Velites. They were falling quickly, no match for the heavily armored Gallic demons.
I fear... I fear I failed my men. Rage overtook me. The sight of brave Romans falling to a Gallic horde brought back nightmares I have had since childhood... nightmares of Brennus and the sack of Rome. I abandoned my men on the right and rode at Lucco, not caring if I lived or died. I neglected my duty, neglected my men...
It seemed like an eternity that we sparred, he and I. I screamed in his face and spat blood on his armor as our swords clashed. In truth, I remember little. I do not know how it happened, how it ended. My men tell me that he fell, struck by a fatal blow...
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...and horrible things. I do not remember, but they say I leaped from my saddle and severed his head in a single blow, screaming wildly and throwing the bloody mass into the melee. As if a witch's spell had been broken, the beasts turned as one and ran...
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In a rage, I submitted once again to my rage and ordered my men to pursue. I must have personally ridden down and butchered 50 of the things before I came to my senses. In the end, one Gaul was spared. To him was given the severed head of Lucco, to take back across the Alps as a warning and as a testament to the bravery of my Legion.
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Senators... I submit to you as a failed man. I failed my men, failed the Republic. At the moment of greatest crisis, I let my anger overcome me, overcome duty. I abandoned the most threatened part of the line and rode against Lucco. The success of the battle does not counteract my shame at the action. It was the Legion that won the battle, not I. When I let emotion take over, they held true to discipline. I will never be as worthy of praise as the most low-born of soldiers on the field that day. I beg of you, Senators... honor my men for their bravery and forgive me for my failures.
An excellent question, Senator Antio, especially in the current circumstances.
Every Gallic city, if I remember from my spying, now has a road leading to it. Primitive ones, but roads nonetheless. We shall take these roads to the cities.
While you are marching along the roads, I can enter the forests nearby and scout the Gallic forces. If there are any within ambush range, I can spot it and let the general in charge know.
That said, I seriously doubt that our force will meet with any ambushes. Currently two large armies are threatening Northern Italy. Meanwhile, Gaul is surrounded by Britannia, Iberia, and Germania. All three are warlike peoples and surely the Gauls will need forces to counter them. The bottom line is that Gaul simply does not have enough people in it to fight offensive and defensive wars at the same time.
Did you truly fail, Senator Verginius? Because I consider surviving an ambush at half the enemy's strength to succeed, yet alone killing their general and wiping out their entire army with relatively few losses.
Senator, your bravery charging the Gallic horde alone is what inspired your men to fight so well. You are a hero, and deserved to be honored with your entire legion. Hundreds of years from now, when Rome is the greatest faction in the world, the bards will sing the praises of Augustus Verginius, the man who beat off the Gauls.
I congratulate you and your legion, Senator.
[QUINTUS]: Tribune Verginius has secured a great victory for the Republic! His personal bravery on the day, smashing the Gaul's assault and bringing down their leader, was decisive and brings great honour to his family. I must express particular admiration for they way he hunted down every last Gaul despite having only a few horsemen to call upon. And I applaud his decision to spare one of the Gauls to warn their comrades of what to expect when they give battle to true Romans!
However, I must ask the First Consul to reflect on the scarcity of cavalry in our armies. In the extreme circumstances which he faced, Tribune Verginius was right to lead his escort into combat. Indeed, this is the expected role of a Tribune in an army. But as Verginius notes, he was on that day of triumph, he was not fulfilling the typical role of a Tribune but was acting as a Legate and charging into combat is typically not the appropriate role of a commanding general. Military tradition dictates that Praetorian armies be accompanied by one unit of cavalry; Consular armies should have two. If Legio I had been assigned its cavalry, the Tribune may not have had to risk his life and perhaps even more importantly risk the command of his army.
I understand that maintaining cavalry is an expensive business, but Roma is no longer so poor. Our number of provinces exceeds that of many of our rivals. And I am not one of those who believe we need to recruit yet more armies or even expand our Praetorian armies to full Consular ones - the Tribune has clearly demonstrated that we do not need equal odds to triumph. But I do ask that all armies engaged in active combat duties against the Gauls be equipped with cavalry at the soonest possible moment. As Tribune Verginius has demonstrated, our generals are too valuable to be risked performing the duties of cavalry.
I am well pleased my faith in tribune Augustus Verginius was well justified. I am grateful to him for the relatively few losses among the men of The Roman legion I, with whom I have served so much time. He says that he failed us, but those are the words of a man who has been trough a harrowing experience. Our men are well trained and all they needed on this occasion was a bold example of courage. Tribune Augustus Verginius gave that example by his fearless charges into the enemy horde. The legion did not lose heart and triumphed. In the coming senate deliberations I will propose honours to be accorded to this fearless warrior. I am sure Caradog of Samarabriva will be dismayed to learn of this crushing victory.
Senator Augustus Verginus,
Rest good Sir, I fully understand your feelings of guilt. Tis the nature of warfare that such choices as you made will hang heavy in your mind for an eternity and the faces of those men you lost will burn in your memory for just as long.
But take heart. Whilst you feel you abandoned your flank you must understand and accept that your actions in taking on Lucco and striking his head from his body you effectively broke the resolve of his warriors and hence caused their flight from the battlefield……you must consol yourself with the knowledge that had his warriors fought on longer, being still lead by Lucco, that many more of your men would be in Elesia this day and perhaps even yourself.
Senator, you have handed us a victory snatched from the dripping maws of Cerberus herself! I must congratulate you on this, even though you mourn your losses.
I trust that the First Consul will replace those fallen men and that we will be prepared for the other Gallic Host that marches East, I have seen it my friends, ‘tis a large Host but nothing more than we have faced and defeated in seasons past. Our homelands are not at threat, our Legions are in place, bloodied yes, but ready to force our good Roman steel down the throats of these dirty and stupid Barbarians.
Once that host has been beaten into the dust, what the First Consul does then is something I trust him to consider himself. He has instructions from us and I believe that they are sufficient for the remainder of his Consularship.
On another matter, I have to take my leave later today, I must address affairs at my home before I will perhaps be called upon the most dangerous mission.
When I return…..if I return….I will again address the Senate.
(OOC: As of 4pm UK time today, I will be “off line” until at least Tuesday the 13th. I am finally moving house and will have no internet connect except work until I get that sorted out. As you’ll appreciate it’s a little bit down the list past unpacking though, however, I’ll access the forums whilst at work as normal)
I applaud you Augustus Verginius for your truly stunning victory. Many here, myself included I am ashamed to admit, did not believe you could triumph against this calamity. Thankyou. Thanks must also go to your brave men, tell us, what is their condition? Are they still capable of offering battle?
Senators, what is our next course of action? Will we hold and strengthen the frontier? Or do we launch a punitive expedition into Gaul? If the latter is agreed upon then i propose we increase our network or spies and agents operating in Gaul. We must make sure no Roman army is surprised like this again.
Thanks again Augustus Verginius, your heroism saved the day and reflects great honour on yourself and on the Roman people.
Senator Oppius Vitruvius,
I firmly believe that the Gauls will leave us no option other than to punish them severely for these actions AND those of the past. However, I also believe that once we reach the Alps and Massilia the Republic will have reached the limits of what we can currently support both in terms of manpower and finance.
The Gauls will pay dearly in their blood as I am certain they will continue to launch attacks against us but we cannot and should not venture further into their lands until after this Consul’s tenure and perhaps even after the one following that.
We must retain our focus Gentlemen. We are pledged to expand our borders for our Security and so that we may build our strengths for the coming conflict with Carthage. Once this short period of building has been completed and we have either dealt with Carthage or are in a position to take on Gaul, Carthage whilst keeping our Eastern borders secure – then we can show the Gauls how we hold our vengeance until we are ready and able to meet out justice with ruthless efficiency.
First of all, I would like to congratulate and hail Augustus Verginius. He has proved himself worthy to be called a Roman.
Madness, senators, madness! You speak of further conquests? After Cisalpina has been subdued, Rome shall have natural frontiers. If the Senate and People of Rome desire more land, I humbly suggest that we conquer the town of Dalmetia. This narrow coastal strip shall help to secure our trade in the Adriatic Sea and protect our naval intrests.
I agree with consul Quintus, but the costs are indeed prohibitive. Outfitting one unit of equites is about three times as expensive as recuiting a unit of principii. The upkeep of a unit of equites cavalry can keep five or more units of italian swordsmen in the field. I do not have my treasurer at hand, so these numbers are estimations. A unit of Roman or mercenary Gaul cavalry is only slightly less expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
Our balance has been slowly dropping due to the increase of our armed foces. We can afford to hire some cavalry. The important question now is how large shall we make our standing armed forces ?
I am stationing italian spear- and swordsmen as garrison units in all our cities. Most have just one unit, others as much as four. This depends on the level on unrest and size and importance of the city.
I want one praetorian legion stationed in Sicily.
I want one praetorian legion stationed in mainland Italy, near Rome itself.
I want the approach of Patavium guarded by a praetorian legion.
I want the northern valley trough the Alps to Gaul guarded by (at the very least) a praetorian legion.
Massilia will have to guarded by (at the very least) a praetorian legion.
So this already requires 5 standing praetorian legions, and I am inclined to increase that to 3 standing praetorian legions and 2 standing consular armies (i.e. 7 praetorian legions). That's quite a large and very expensive army.
For comparison, we are getting close to our goal of garrisoning all the cities with 'cheap' troops and we currently have around 5-6 legions in the field (without cavalry). Increasing our army to full strength (7 legions with cavalry) would lower our balance to under 4000 denarii/year. This is mostly guesswork on my part.
I thank the Senate for their kind words. I still believe that the victory was due to the Legion itself, not my own actions, and I encourage you to honor them in whatever way you deem appropriate. Perhaps they could be given the title "Legio I Italia Victrix" or some other such honorarium, so that their deeds are remembered, wherever they march.
Senator Oppius Vitruvius, you will be pleased to hear that the Legion Chirugeon was able to save a great many of the men following the battle. While 206 fell in the ambush, 93 have since recovered from their wounds and returned to duty. Special mention should be made of our loyal Italian auxilia. They fell in numbers far exceeding our own, yet held the flanks of the line and fought without hesitation. When the enemy was in our rear, even the Funditores and skirmishers turned on our foes to keep the backs of our main line free from assault. I fear that all but 9 of the Funditores fell in this glorious endeavour (8 more recovering later), and they have been depleted as a fighting force. After recovering our wounded from the Velites, Hastati, Principes and Triarii, only 28 Romans remained to burn on the pyre, not counting my personal retainers.
This greatly unequal sacrifice by our Italian allies has shaken my belief in Roman superiority over all provinces. The present is perhaps too soon, but I believe that in due time it may be proper to reward the cities of Capua and Ancona with Roman Citizenship. I know that I was one who spoke out against ever allowing such thing, but my experiences on the field that day have changed my perception of much in life. Even when 51 of their brothers had fallen, the remaining 9 Funditores were still fighting hard and would not break. I believe they would have stood and died to the last man if the enemy had not been routed. Those Italians are glorious allies and they have the beating heart of Romulus himself in their chests.
[QUINTUS]: The five Praetorian armies that the First Consul proposes do not sound excessive. Where they are not in areas where enemy armies have been spotted, they will not require cavalry. But those - like that of Tribune Verginius - on active campaign against enemy field armies need some cavalry, regardless of the cost.
To economise, some of the units in our proposed armies assigned to guard duties could be dispersed for garrison duties. For example, the armies garrisoning Sicily and central Italy could be maintained at well below usual strength provided they could be brought up to full strength within a season by taking men from surrounding settlements (and lowering taxes to keep the people loyal during the emergency). But it is important to have a Tribune or Legate in the area to quickly lead the assembled force to react to urgent threats.
I agree that at least one of the five armies - at the moment the one taking Massilia - should be close to Consular strength. I expect the next First Consul may wish to take the offensive in at least one theatre and this will require a Consular sized force.
My congratulations for this magnificent feat, Senator Verginus! I propose that we build a statue of the noble, brave Senator in city centre, to honour this incredible victory of civilisation over barbarism.
I also propose that Senator Verginus be given command of a full consular Legion, to go on campaign if he wishes, or to even take command of the Legion of Rome herself.
Dont be hasty my son. In time Senator Verginius may become the next consul if he wishes but for now regardless of his heroism he is still under the command of our current consul.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiberius
While so many standing armies may seem necessary I am afraid of our treasury. It has been continually shrinking. At one point our treasury would bring in more than 10,000 denari every seasons but now it brings in only half that amount. The economic improvements that many senators wish for in the various settlements will effortlessly cost much much more than this.
This financial quandry leaves us with two options. Either we can continue to expand and thus bring more money into our treasury or we can lower the size of our standing legions to free up some money that would have otherwise been needed to support such large armies.
Indeed I believe that we need only a single legion in northern italy within the alps to defend both the northern and eastern mountain passes. The passes are not far from eachother and an army can march from one to the other in a season. Also with a system of watchtowers and a fort or two we can easily give ourselves enough warning to intercept any threat coming from either of the two passes before it has crossed the Alps.
Massilia will need only a single legion as guard to its single bridge and the western mountain pass. Anything more would be unnecessary and unwieldy.
First of all, may I congratulate Senator Verginius and his army on their glorious victory against the Gauls.
I know Conscript Fathers that I have been one of those who has advocated peace & trade with Gaul, and I still hope that such a conclusion can be reached. However, in the event that Roman steel spilling so much of their blood does not persuade them of the futility of conflict with us, I am becoming more and more convinced of the need to agressively raid their settlements.
Over the course of 1 year, a consular, or two preatorion armies could raid deep into Gaulish territory, capturing settlements along the way. As each settlement is taken we can loot it, pillage it, sell its people into slavery, then raize it to the ground before moving on to the next settlement. In just 1 year we could cripple the ability of the Gauls to make war on us. Once we have secured Masilla, and if we cannot agree a ceasefire with Gaul, I shall propose such a motion in the next assembly that permits it.
As for Ilyria, I agree with aiding them to prevent Macedon from reaching our borders, but Conscript Fathers, what can we do to help them? We cannot give them military aid as that would require us declaring war on Macedon, giving us a fourth war to fight at the same time. And alas, our funds are not enough to give them any financial aid - already we are debating the most cost-effective use of the large army we have created that drains our treasury so. If there is any other form of aid we can give to Ilyria, then I would truly like to hear it Conscript Fathers.
There is nothing we can do for Illyria now except offer them the option to become our protectorate but i would not advise this.
I see nothing wrong with Macedon on our borders. We are not at war with them and I do not think they would be so headstrong as to declare war on us. We are far and removed from its core provinces. If Macedon is so powerhungry then it should look north to Thrace.
Had it been the Greeks arriving on our borders then we would have cause for deep concern.
I do not disagree with the statements that have been made about Macedon. However, I do wish to remind the Senate that they remain allies of the Greeks, with whom we are still at war. I welcome peace and trade with Macedon, but I believe we should be wary of them. The Greeks seem to hold great diplomatic sway over their policies and I would not like to tempt them with any perceived weaknesses.
Peace. Trade. Vigilance.
It is true we should seek to strengthen our borders so as not to appear vulnerable. The Macedonians will most likely expand northwards, the only way I can see us coming into conflict with them is through our own expansion. If we pursue the war against the Greeks onto their mainland then we must be prepared to face the sarissa`s of the heirs of Alexander. They will not stand idly by whilst their southern cousins are under attack. Never forget the arrogant Greeks have always considered us as Barbarians...
I believe Macedon has plans that do not include us. I'm sure that some mad king of theirs will want to replicate their hero Alexander's accomplishments. The factions to the north and east will face the brunt of Macedon's wrath.
Keeping that in mind, I say we should continue to remain on good relations with the Macedonians. At least one of our immediate neighbors shod be our friend.
I agree.
That said, I also agree with Senator Augustus Verginius, that while a friendly hand should be extended to Macedon for now, we should keep permenant garrisons on our eastern fronts and keep an eye out for suspicious movements. It would disgrace the Republic to have ourselves suprised by a mass invasion on an undefended area.
Senators,
I have updated my 'as yet unfished' final report to the senate. It is now autumn 272 BC. Several notable events have happened (and new avatars are available - 3 spies) and Decius Laevinius (Tiberius) has come of age. I interrupt your proceedings, because dire tidings have come to my ears.
Consul Quintus (econ21) is in serious trouble in Sardinia and I would beseech you all to ask the people to sacrifice to the gods that he will prevail over these horrible odds. As he is our best warrior, and not called 'the Victor' for nothing, I have faith he will be victorious, but then again, no man can tempt the fates forever...
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For a moment I thoguht noble Quintus was ambushed. However, I know that Romans can stand against such odds.
First Caradog and now Ashtzaph! The two foremost citizens and generals of the Republic spring two ambushes on our enemies within three months of one another, and yet our foes are 'prepared' for both! Conscript fathers, I suspect treachery. There may be enemies amongst us...
*Senator Verginus looks around the room suspiciously, then scribles on a scroll and passes it to a waiting man servant, who rushes out of the forum.*
You are mistaken, Senator, Quintus was trying to ambush the Carthaginian army, he himself wasn't ambushed.
I understand that, my words were, "The two foremost citizens and generals of the Republic spring two ambushes on our enemies..." Do you not find it suspicious that the enemy is so readily prepared for the secret battleplans of our foremost Generals? Do you not also note that the Carthaginians have an entire cohort of Italians with them? We have been betrayed, Senators... betrayed...
Although it is strange that both ambushes would fail, it's hardly time to get paranoid. Perhaps our enemies scout better than you, Senator Verginius?
A malicious senator's voice stagewhispers in the back row of the senate :
Don't you find it suspicious that tribune Augustus Verginus is our only general who let himself be ambushed ? They who talk loudest of treason...
I find that remark appalling. You would only repeat that remark if you thought it was true. Your behaviour as Consul for Rome shocks me! You, who praised Senator Verginius for his brave stand against the Gauls, would accuse him of treason in order to discredit one of your opponents. You are afraid of his fame, so you attempt to discredit him with slanders.
[SENATE SPEAKER]: Gently, good Senator Antio - it was not the First Consul who spoke but some unknown loafer who even now hides behind the backs of more worthy Senators.
Yes, but why would he repeat it in that sinister tone? I apologize to the Consul, for my impertinence, and am willing to be punished for my rashness.
I shall ignore the words spoken so recently against my loyalty. You all know that my loyalty to the Republic has never been questioned. Any fool who believes such lies will surely drown in his own saliva.
This is a time for celebration, my friends. The immense success brought about by Senator Quintus is unparalleled in the history of Rome. Romulus himself would never have dreamed of such a victory! I know that this is not yet the time for legislative motions, yet I wish to make it known now that come next election I shall propose the following:
Motion: In honor of the great victory of Senator Quintus over the Carthaginians, upon annexation Caralis shall be renamed Quintarium.
I disagree. The Carthaginians are honourable foes. We ought not rename a Quintus, although he deserves reward.
Ah, finally out of that blasted academy. Back to business...
I believe that Senator Quintus has served the republic more than any other individual, and so should be awarded whichever position he pleases, be it Governor of Rome herself or commander of a Legion. If settling in Caralis is his wish, I believe we should allow him to rename it to whatever he pleases. He is an old man, and deserves rest. If any of you senators have an objection, do not forget that this man has served the Republic for more years and more loyally than any of you.
Back to the Gladiators...
May I also pass on my congratulations to Senator Quintus for his heroic victory.
However Conscript Fathers, I note with a mixture of alarm and satisfaction that there are 2 large Carthaginian armies on Sardinia. This presents a great opportunity for us! If Senator Quintus can defeat these 2 armies, he will strike a powerful blow against Carthage. We must endevour to reinforce his army as soon as possible so that he may engage and defeat the enemy.
My faith in the consul Quintus (econ21) was well justified by this amazing victory. My congratulations to him and tribune Titus Vatinius (Tricky_Lady) or this victory. There is a lull in the fighting in Cispine Gaul at the moment, but our forces are stretched everywhere. I will try to reinforce consul Quintus as soon as is possible, but in the meantime he will have to return to Corsica, as his present position is very dangerous.
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econ21, could you edit the first picture in the post ? Just cut out the cartheginian army details. Can shift157's post be moved from the first consul reports as well to antoher thread ? The 'treason' comment was of course a joke, but I might have made it more explicit that it was not me who said that.
Senators, Might I be the first to truly congratulate my son Decius on his completion of his primary schooling and his full induction into the Senate. He is a strong young man and very sharp. I trust that we will find him room in the academy as soon as possible so that he can become a true roman man worthy of the command and honor he is surely destined for.
Congratulations my son. You have made me proud. I hope that you will continue to act as a guide and mentor toward your younger brother and, in time, all of Rome.
I am proud to announce that I have formally adopted Luca Mamilius as my son. As you will all remember, he was the one who saved my life in the Battle of Bononia. He is currently serving as Tribune with me in Legio I Italia. Consul, I request, if possible, that he remain with that Legion for as long as I do. He is a close friend and companion and I would like to have him at my side as an advisor and a pupil.
The first consul reports have been updated to spring 271 BC. Legate Publius Laevinus (Shifty157) and the Legio III Sicilia Aemilia are assaulting Massilia at the moment.
Tribune Augustus Verginius (TinCow), you are currently setting your affairs in order after ten years of devoted military service (in order to become promoted to legate) while Luca Marnilius (Marcus Camillus), seeing that you had your hands full the coming time, has accompanied Publius Laevinius on his march to Massilia. He will return to your company after that campaign.
I would also like to congratulate Amulius Coruncanius (Mount Suribachi) and his wife Tullia with the birth of their daughter Tranquilina.
EDIT :
The first consul reports have been updated to autumn 271 BC. Legate Publius Laevinus (Shifty157) and the Legio III Sicilia Aemilia are defending the river crossing at Massilia against a vast horde at the moment. I hope your prayers are with them. We have also lost our first town, Aleria, to a suprise attack by Carthage.
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legate Publius Laevinus and the Legio III Sicilia Aemilia face the hordes of Gaul
We must pull Quintus out of Sardinia. Otherwise, he could be trapped by three Carthaginian armies, and against such odds not even he could prevail.
OOC: DDW, perhaps you could speed things up a bit, I fear that people may lose interest if a consulship drags on too long. Also, can you post a screenshot of the positions of all our armies and provinces on the campaign map?
Good luck Legate Publius Laevinus, I'm sure you will make Rome proud. Just keep an eye out for those aquatic Gaul fish-men I have heard rumors about. I think I will go pray at the Temple to Neptune for His aid in the coming battle...
*leaves senate house muttering to self and assorted hangers-on*
Lucius Aemilius, you have disobeyed the orders of the Senate! In the winter of 273 BC, you conquered Aleria, in Corsica.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucius Aemilius
You violated Motion #5 which states: Expansion shall cease for the rest of this First Consul's reign after taking Cisalpine Gaul and Massilia.
This motion passed quite easily with a large majority.
The Motions were voted on in the autumn of 273 BC, while your invasion took place in the winter of 273 BC.
I, Senator Sextus Antio, do accuse Consul Lucius Aemilius of breaching the Senate's orders, and do move that he be severely punished and be stripped of the consulship!
Motion 1 authorizes the capture of the Carthaginian islands, while Motion 3 explicitly allows it. Both of these motions are somewhat redundant with Motion 5 (273), which does not explicitly forbid the capture of the Carthaginian islands. The motions have some redundancy, and even some contradiction.
For that reason, I move that Motions 1, 3, and 5 be stricken.
I object. Motion 5 overides Motions 1 and 3. Motion 3b states: The Consul must devote the remainder of his term to strengthening our economic and military infrastructure. This motion does not limit the taking of Corsica and Sardinia. Taking Corsica has not strengthened our economic or military infrastructure. Instead, it has caused the Carthaginians to react violently, and we have already lost the town again.
Motion 5 does not override Motions 1 and 3. Motion 1 instructs and authorizes the Consul to capture the Carthaginian islands (among other things), while Motion 5 forbids conquest outside Gaul. The two motions are, therefore, contradictory. One does not override the other, all motions have equal weight.
If anything, Motion 1 should be given precedence, as it was proposed first, and also because it explicity addresses the issue of Carthaginian islands, while Motion 5 does not. If anything, you, Sextus Antio, are at fault for proposing a contradictory motion, and now even moreso by trying to get it enforced over another motion also passed.
No, Motion 1 ought not be given preference. My messengers took a long time to travel from Parthia to Rome. The Senators voted for Motion 5 and so it stands. When proposed the motions, I had 4 influence, while Lucius Aemilius had 3. I was, and still am, Rome's finest diplomat, I ought to be heeded more than those who know nothing of diplomacy.
Senator, what you fail to realize is that the motions are not yours, or Aemilius', or anyone else's other than of the Senate as an entity itself. Once you propose a motion, it is outside of your influence, it becomes a Senate directive, or fails, and becomes nothing. A motion can be passed or not passed, there is no middle ground. All passed motions are just that, passed motions, and are as such, all equal.
In this case, there are two that are contradictory, and it is up the Senate to determine what the Senate really wanted to instruct the Consul to do. I proposed two things thus far:
1. That all motions involved be stricken, because they are contradictory.
2. That Motion 1 be given precedence as it was the first to be proposed, and as it is the only motion that explicitly addresses the issue at hand.
I believe these are both fair. The Consul was given unclear and contradictory direction, he cannot be blamed.
And lastly, I don't appreciate you trying to push a personal agenda through this house.
Speaking OOC: You can't make Motion 1 stand just because it was proposed first. When Motion 1 was proposed, I was asleep!
I am not pushing a personal agena through, but Lucius Aemilius has disobeyed the Senate.
Senators, in view of the recent success of Legio III Sicilia Aemilia, I propose a renaming to Legio III Equestris Victrix, the victorious knights, in view of their deadly cavalry wing.
I also believe that Quintus, Roman among Romans, should withdraw from Sardinia and Corsica, in case of the utter destruction of his legion and himself with it at the hands of the baby eaters.
My friends, noble senators! It has come to my attention that our consul has attempted to expand to Sardinia and Corsica, while this is explicitly against the senate's demands. There are those who argue that the senate had ratified motion #1, which allows the annexing of this territory. However, do we really tolerate the breaking of even one motion? Why, if this is tolerable, we might as well not have motions at all, seeing how easily they can be broken! This is an outrage, and I demand that all Roman arms be pulled out of the islands immediately, for garrison duty in Italia.
[SENATE SPEAKER]: On the matter of the contradictory motions, I can merely remind the good senators of what I said nine years ago:
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[A letter from QUINTUS]:
Senators,
Forgive me for not appearing in person, but I am currently in the field in Corsica.
Before coming to business, I must congratulate Legate Laevinius for his heroic defence of the ford outside Massilia. He was vastly outnumbered - he had a mere legion, without an alae. And his foes included many fine fighters - gestatae and Chosen warriors. But Legate Laevinius won a crushing victory with only minimal loss. Princeps Senatus elect, I salute you!
All that said, I must turn to the more sombre reason for my writing. I take full responsibility for the loss of Aleria. I urged the First Consul to let me resume my march on Caralis. I did not forsee that the Carthaginians would so smartly move one of their armies by sea to strike at Aleria as soon as I vacated it. The enemy have outsmarted us and I, not our outstanding First Consul, am to blame.
As to the matter of my returning with my army to Italia, we will of course do so. After retaking Aleria and conquering Caralis.
Ave
Quintus
Senators! Please! *waits for silence* I have been silent for a long time, preferring the excitment of the hunt in Capuan lowlands, or teaching my son the art of rhetorics to the senatorial floor. But I believe matters have reached a stage where my contribution to the Republic can be appreciated once again.
Are we small children, senators? Do we decide one thing one day, and an opposite thing the day after? This is not the way of the senate. So I propose 2 motions:
I propose:
MOTION No senator may propose another motion unless he has read, understood and made sure the motion proposed is not contradicting any legislation already in place.
MOTION: If the senator believes it is necessary to overrule a motion that is valid and approved, he must propose a motion to invalidate it first, of the type "I propose motion <number, date> be invalidated" and then specify the motion that would be set up in its place.
This is all I want to say, Senators. I hope you see the wisdom in my words.
Senators,
My interpretation of the motions is the same as that of this wise legate Tiberius Coruncanius (FLYdude). It follow the directives of motion 1 and 3 because it explicity addresses the issue of Carthaginian islands. I will not take more territory from the Gauls in accordance with motion 5. If I recall the discussion around motion 5 was centered on how far into Gaul we would expand.
Our garrisons are now up to strength, as was indeed the one at Aleria. But it is obvious the Cartheginians with their ability for naval invasion can strike anywhere and anyplace and no garrison can stand against 1800 men. Now the Cartheginians have retaken one of their own towns I've ordered captured. We will retake it soon. If I did not take the fight to them it might wel have been Capua, or even Roma itself which we would be forced to recapture.
Therefore I will continue this course of action. Aleria will be recaptured and afterwards consul Quintus will again attempt to capture Caralis. Let us keep fighting the Carthegninians on their own soil instead of their own.
All our towns have decent garrisons. The Sicilian ones and the greek colonies and our northen border towns bigger ones. There is a legion stationed in Sicily, one in Souther Italy, the Legio II Sabina Quintia is stationed at our border with Illyria and Thrace, the Legio I Italia Victrix is stationed at our northern border with Gaul, the Legio III Sicilia Aemilia is stationed at our western border with Gaul. Our consular army is in Corsica.
OOC : Concerning speed, I am forced to wait on other players, who play as fast as they can. Some are living in the states, and with the time zone difference this is not helping us.
EDIT : I second the motions made by Swordsmaster.
Senators, I understand both sides of this dispute. It is important that the will of the Senate be strictly upheld. To do anything less is to encourage tyrants. Yet, it is also important to make the best decisions for the welfare of Rome. In this case we are confronted with a legislative dilemma. Two clearly contradictory motions and a Consul who chose to obey one of them and not the other. Let us weigh the implications of this event on both areas of Republican interest and decide from there.
It is important to keep in mind that Senator Lucius Aemilius did not simply disregard the will of the Senate. He was confronted with two legislative motions and chose to follow one and disregard the other. While he exceeded the authority of Motion 5, he remained within the authority provided under Motion 1. This seems to me to be, at most, an error in reasoning on his part. He did not exceed his power, he merely exercised his power as he chose within an area not clearly defined by the Senate. Need I remind the Senate that nearly 78% of this body voted in favor of Motion 1, while only 61% voted in favor of Motion 5? The will of the Senate was certainly in favor of Motion 1. Regardless, Motion 5 has still be violated. However, Senators, please consider whether this violation appears to have been done specifically to exceed authority and abuse the Republic. I personally do not believe this to be so. It appears to me that Senator Aemilius believed he had the authority to engage in the island landings and thought he was fulfilling the will of the Republic. Is this the act of a tyrant? Is the an act that threatens the foundations of Rome? Conscript fathers, I do not believe so.
In determining whether a penalty should be exacted, we must weigh the impact to the Republic as a whole. It is our duty to ensure that Rome's best interests are always put first. Senator Aemilius has nearly completed his 5 year Consulship and has brought the Republic great successes. What would we gain by impeaching him or otherwise sanctioning him? We would be forced to appoint an interim Consul to complete the nearly exhausted Consulship and then have another election in a year. We would spend weeks, perhaps months, debating more political maneauvers at a time when the Republic is threatened by many strong enemies. Is it not our duty to improve the status of Rome? It seems to me that such lengthy political matters would distract us from governance and would weaken the people as a whole.
Senators, I do not say that we should ignore violations of legislation. What I say is that this particular incident is, at most, a minor problem that does not have its roots in tyranny or disloyalty of any kind. I believe that any attempts to sanction Consul Aemilius will serve to weaken the Republic rather than to secure it. Let us do one thing and one thing only; let us reprimand the Senate for our failure to make the will of the people clear. Conscript fathers, look into your hearts and then tell me this is not primarily a failing on our part. Let Consul Aemilius finish his term unmolested and let this body take greater care in its future legislation.
Conscript Fathers, may I remind those of you who wish to prosecute Consul Aemilius that you are forbidden to do so until he has finished his Consulship and laid down his Imperium.
Then, and only then, can you bring forward a motion to prosecute him. If you manage to get 2 senators to second such a motion (which I doubt), then you may put it before the house for a vote.
A motion Conscript Fathers which I shall most certainly vote AGAINST!
Mistakes such as these are the result of the senators who proposed them. Let this dispute be a lesson in the future that motions (especially when other motions concern the same topic) should be very specific and spell out exactly what the proposer intends. Do not rely on what is implied or assumed but make your motion concrete. No one can dispute words that are written but words that are unwritten can be disputed forever.
Personally I believe that Consul Lucius has remained well within the bounds the senate has placed for him.
[SENATE SPEAKER]: Order! Order! Senators, the reign of First Consul Lucius Aemilius draws to a close.
I trust that he will shortly update his First Consul report, but I can already relay that Quintus has retaken Aleria. The Consular I Army killed 1463 Carthaginians, including their faction heir and three other prominent generals. We suffered 132 casualties, but our surgeons restored about half of them to be fighting fit.
There remain a few matters that the First Consul's subordinates must attend to but they need not delay us. Quintus is about to storm Caralis, but it is lightly held. Legate Laevinus may be attacked again at the ford outside Massilia, but we can trust he will hold.
So, gentlemen, I propose to open this end-of-term session of Senate for the purpose of proposing motions and electing a new First Consul.
Motions may be tabled and candidates for First Consul declared until Wednesday 6pm UK time. At that point, voting will begin and close Thursday 6pm UK time.
In view of the confusion over past Senate motions, I am following Senator Swordmaster's advice and setting a restriction on new motions:
RESTRICTION: Where a motion contradicts existing legislation or a motion (let us call it motion number # from Senate session dated X) that has been tabled with two seconders, the new motion must begin "This motion invalidates motion number # from Senate session dated X"
If a motion does not have such a clause and is found to contradict an earlier motion that has passed, then the earlier motion will take precedence.
So, without further ado, let me invite Senators to propose motions and to submit manifestoes for the post of First Consul.
Let us begin by fixing an administrative detail.
As this is the fifth session of the senate, let us propose all motions in the form :
If propose new motion 5.1 which invalidates motion 2.3 bla bla.
So this new motion 1 invalidates motion 3 of the second session.
Otherwise, my lords, confusion will reign and the scribes might take their own lives in desperation.
[SENATE SPEAKER]: An excellent point - it is done!
[QUINTUS]: Senators, if I may begin this debate by saying two things.
Firstly, I wish to propose:
Motion #5.1: This House congratulates First Consul Lucius Aemilius on his successful conquest of Cisalpine Gaul, Massilia and the island settlements of Melte, Aleria and Caralis. It particularly appreciates the relatively low level of casualties suffered by our forces. It notes the generous role of the First Consul in providing opportunities for other members of the Lower House to give battle on Rome's behalf.
I believe this motion is self-evident, although members of the Upper House may not fully appreciate how collegiate and public-spirited the First Consul has been in assigning active field commands to generals other than himself.
Do I have two seconders for this motion?
Secondly, I wish to layout what I see as the strategic options for the next First Consul. We have four alternatives:
1) Consolidate - do not expand further
2) Invade Africa
3) Invade Gaul
4) Invade Greece
These alternatives - except the first - are not mutually exclusive. We could, and probably will have to, fight on two or more fronts. The alternatives are also not fully spelt out - do we invade to raid or to conquer, for example? But in broad terms, those are the key options we must consider.
You probably all know me well enough to recognise that I have no time for the first option. I will leave it to others to argue that case.
Instead, I wish to argue for the second option - an invasion of Africa. We have already crushed two full Consular sized Carthaginian armies. A third has evaded us and returned to Africa. These victories have given us an opportunity to strike at a weakened foe. If we hold now, we will give Carthage a chance to rebuild and all our efforts in Aleria and Caralis will have been wasted. Further, Carthage has shown itself to be a dangerous and very mobile foe. Who would have thought she would land three full Consular sized armies in Caralis? Certainly not I. What is she had landed them outside Roma? Who would have expected she could have wrong-footed us and seized Aleria from behind my back by a naval invasion? Senators, I regret we still do not have a navy. Our fleet can transport armies but cannot match the warships of Carthage or Greece. It is no more a navy than a host of fishing vessels is a navy. Carthage will be free to project force anywhere in Italy or the surrounding armies. It will be much more prudent to strike at her homelands and so deny her that force rather than to await its landing on our soil.
By contrast, I argue that Gaul is a much less formiddable foe. Thanks to Legate Laevinius's shrewd observation, we have identified Massilia as a most defensible chokepoint on their expansion. And indeed, thanks to the Legate's inspired leadership, we have seen how well true Romans can do against Gaulish attacks there. I submit that we can safely hold at Massilia. Or even drive into Gaul as we yet strike Africa.
The last possibility - to attack Greece - is, I believe, simply too risky and too unnecessary to consider seriously. It will require naval operations that may be perilous given the strength of the Greek navy. Even on land, Greece is a strong power but since she was expelled from Syracuse, she has taken no action against us. Greece at the moment is sleeping; let us not disturb her yet. Furthermore, campaigning in Greece will take us into the heartlands of the powerful Macedonians and risk dragging us into a fourth simultaneous war.
And so I propose:
Motion #5.2: This house instructs the First Consul to invade Africa with the aim of conquering the city of Carthage and her other settlements on the continent.
Do I have two seconders for this motion?
I'll second 5.2 if you will describe it as a punitative expedition, not an expedition of conquest. All settlements may be looted and exterminated, but not occupied.
EDIT : You forgot Massilia in motion 5.1. That's part of Gaul Narbonensis.
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Even such a thing is maybe too extreme for the moment.
I request an update of the maps in the Library. There is no way of knowing how our borders and meighbours have changed in the last few years, senators, except for those of us in the field. Which is, at least, discriminating, and at most insulting to the intelligence of those who have to make decisions without having enough information.
I propose the following, Conscript fathers:
Motion 5.3: Build a fleet. This means we need to support one. All possible improvements should be built in Italy to support a greater number of ships and soldiers.
Motion 5.4: Consolidate. We need roads. Walls. Armouries. Cities that cannot build walls, should be within 1 turns marching distance of a strongly garrisoned fort.
For our defence to be flexible, a legion must leave Rome and be in Rhegium by the end of the turn, or be in Medoilanum in the same amount of time. We need to pacify our neighbours, make ceasefires and trade rights with those who we will not fight in the immediate future.
[QUINTUS]: First Consul Aemilius, I believe it would be better if you proposed an alternative motion to 5.2, as that was clearly intended to be a mandate for conquest.
I would also note that extermination of settlements is an act so extreme that this house was constituted with a strict prohibition on its commission. Only reluctantly, did I consent to Carthage being exempted from that prohibition and indeed I have ammended motion 5.2 so that so severe a measure is not mandated. Carthage is a great city and a great prize - few other cities will ever rival its size or potential. To take and then abandon such a prize seems perverse.
Senator Swordsmaster, on motion 5.4, I believe much of Dalmatia is occupied by Macedon. As such I would class your proposal along with that of taking the war to Greece as a step too far at the current moment.
Also on motion 5.3, I would note that all settlements anywhere in the known world that are capable of having walls already have them in some form. The lack of defensible walls is a fact of geography, not a decision of ours.
Senator Quintus, what about Iberia? It is also a Carthaginian holding, and will be far more lightly held.
[QUINTUS]: I had not explicitly considered Carthaginian holdings in Iberia as a possible target. But they seem unattractive for three reasons:
(1) Distance: I believe we could transport an army by sea from Sicily to Africa with no risk of interception of our troops. I believe we could make a quick crossing from Lilybaeum to Carthage in one season. However, I am not sure that the same could be true of Carthaginian holdings in Iberia. I suspect we would have to put our army to sea several seasons and thus risk interception. And note that more than one landing is likely to be necessary, if our armies are to be continually resupplied.
(2) Threat: just as Carthage may be more heavily defended, so too it may generate more of a threat to us. For example, our spies have detected two Consular sized armies in Carthage, one recently returned from Sardinia. An advantage of striking at Africa is that we will rout these armies, ending the potential threat they pose to Sicily and beyond. If we head into Iberia, it is possible those armies in Africa will again set sail for the islands or our mainland settlements.
(3) Opportunity: I believe Iberia and Carthage are at war. It might be best to let them fight it out in Iberia, while we take Africa. If we enter Iberia, we may find ourselves frustrated by Spanish forces or even blunder into war with them. By contrast, in Africa, we would only have the Carthaginians to contend with. (The Numidians may intervene, I suppose, but the harsh geography means that Egypt's large armies are unable to cross the desert coast road to Africa).
Honourable senators,
My reign is almost at an end. The date is spring 270 BC.
The legate Publius Laevinus (Shifty157) and the Legio III Sicilia Aemilia are attacking a target of oppertunity and will then retreat to the river crossing near Massilia. I expect the Gauls to perhaps mount a retaliation attack, but that has no chance of succeeding.
The consul Quintus (econ21) has completed the conquest of the Cartheginian islands.
My goals for expansion have been (narrowly) completed. Massive investments have been made in trade, growth, integration and especially into infrastructure. The whole of Italy and Sicily have been covered with roads. We have a small transportation fleet, enough to transport one praetorian legion at once. Our army strength is near optimal, five praetorian legions (three official) and one consular army. Our towns and cities are well garrisoned.
Our enemies have suffered huge losses in men and land. Our only enemy with more troops in the field than us at the moment are the Greek cities. Our borders are as secure as we can make them. Our revenue has increased substantially, but the costs of our armed forces has increased even more, so yet more investments into trade and infrastructure remain of paramount importance.
On all fronts we have made great advances. This would never have been possible without the able assistance and zeal of such notable men as the soon-to-be legate Augustus Verginius (TinCow), the tribune Publius Pansa (Glaucus), the legate Tiberius Coruncanius (FLYdude) and the aformentioned legate Publius Laevinus (Shifty157) and consul Quintus (econ21). But just as I, these outstanding men have only come this far because they were carried by our most valued treasure, the Roman people itself. I dedicate my succes as acting first consul to them.
I will hold on to my lictors for a little longer, to settle the last affairs of state to my satisfaction while this noble house discusses the merits of the men who will take up the burden of my office.
And lords, it is a heavy burden ! As this is, thank the gods, a republic, you will never please all these men you see here. Indeed, sometimes there will not be a solution to problem that will satisy anyone. I wish wisdom on the man whose shoulders are strong enough to dare to carry this great responsiblity. I also call on you to step forward and make yourself known by publishing a manifesto.
I will leave you now, to settle the last details of my reign, but later on I will make my views known on the future course of the Republic of Rome, and I will give specific details on our situation
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The world as we know it - Spring 270 BC
The last (almost finished) section of my final report to the senate
[Senate Librarian]
Senators, while only a single season yet remains in Consul Aemilius' term, we all know that many things can change in such a time. It seems imprudent and a potential waste of time to prepare a full report on the state of the Republic until such time as the Consul has finally completed the last of his duties. I assure you that when this occurs, the Library records will be fully updated with all information necessary for this body to make its decisions.
I approve of this motion, and fully support the bit invloving permentantly garrisoning Carthago after it is conquered. Carthago is a large city, and the flower of the Carthaginian nation. To take it and leave once it is crushed would be asking for Carthage to rebuild itself and fight another day. We should drive the Carthaginians out of Afrika forever, so they may never again pose a threat to us like they do now. I propose a modified clause, so that Motion 5.2 reads: Motion 5.2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Quintus
Motion #5.2: This house instructs the First Consul to invade Africa with the aim of conquering the city of Carthago, Utica, Hippo Regius, Thapsus and Hadrumentum.
From there we may choose to lay off the Afrikans, or take other settlements in Afrika.
[QUINTUS]: I am grateful for your support, Senator Pansa and will amend motion 5.2 accordingly. I now need one other seconder and two seconders for motion 5.1.
Senate librarian, the First Consul may correct me, but I believe this season (Spring 270 BC) is his last. You are wise to wait to see what time will bring before amending the library. However, other Senators should be assured that they may debate now. We merely await news from Legate Laevinus and any word of our rivals' moves, then it will be next First Consul who leads us in Summer 270 BC.
Consul Quintus is correct.
Please, let worthy candidates step forward !
The burden of this office has wearied me beyond belief.
Will no man take pity and take this burden from me ?
If not for me ? Then do it for the people. Rome needs a strong leader. I need some time to recuperate from all the demands on my person.
Senators, here we stand, five years on and yet much the same. Thanks to the great efforts of the Roman people, this body and most significantly Consul Aemilius, Roman borders are safer now than they have ever been. The Italian peninsula has been united under Republican rule and for the first time in history we have little to fear from foreign attacks on beloved Rome herself. In the north, the mighty Alps screen our provinces, providing a barrier to all who would seek to attack us. In the south and the west, Sicily, Malta, Corsica and Sardinia have been brough under our control, screening us from Punic naval threats. Yet, this security has cost us dearly.
It was only five years ago that many of you spoke out with me to protest the abominable state of our economy. At that time, our infrastructure was minimal, our Italian allies unprepared for war and our income was barely sufficient to fund domestic expansion. Our estimates then put seasonal treasury income at a mere 10,000 dinarii. Conscript fathers, I note now that our current income is now barely 5,000 dinarii per season. Despite 10 years of constant warfare, of the Italian allies we have gained, a mere two, Arretium and Paestum, are capable of providing us with auxilia. Of our eight newly acquired provinces, not a single one has even begun development of a road network. The noble Senator Publius Laevinus stands guard, preventing the Gallic hordes from gaining access to our territories, but in our current state it takes six seasons, a year and a half, for reinforcements to reach him from Rome.
Yet, for all of this the foremost cries are for more conquests, more armies, more expenditures and less development. These men may give lip-service to the need for greater internal investments, but they are ignorant to the fact that 5,000 dinarii is not sufficient to allow both military campaigning and the level of domestic development that is needed to ensure the future of the Republic. These men want personal glory and care not whether it comes at the expense of starving Roman children and broken bath houses.
We need massive amounts of domestic development of infrastructure and trade to allow for the future prosperity of the Republic. Yet the exertions of the past 5 years have dwindled treasury income to the point where we can no longer even raise sufficient sums to fund the necessary projects. Simply put Senators, we are nearing bankruptcy.
So, how are we to escape from this dire situation? Clearly we must cease expansion and divert all efforts towards internal matters. Yet, as I mentioned before, we do not have the means to pull ourselves up on our own. We need extra injections of income from foreign sources. Despite the best efforts of our diplomats, the Greek and Carthaginian ports remain closed to us. No nation will aid us, even if we wanted such aid. We must take the necessary funds for ourselves. Occupation and annexation of provinces only returns profitable rewards after long-term investment. We do not have the means to commit to such long-term investment. As such, occupation and annexation of further provinces is foolish beyond measure. Yet, spoils of war cost us nothing.
Senators, if you elect me Consul, I will ensure that the Republic is domestically organized so as to maximize all means of income. I shall invest that income back into the Republic to strengthen us and ensure our future. In addition, I will personally lead an expedition with a single Consular size army to ravage the Gallic territories. I shall kill the beasts, burn their cities, take their wealth and leave the wasteland behind. I shall journey from one end of Gaul to the other, killing all that I see and sending the profits back to Rome to aid in our development. Not a single city that I take shall I endeavor to hold. Not a single unnecessary dinarii will I spend on occupying worthless territory.
Now, I hear some of you ask why I would aim this dagger at the poor Gallic provinces when Greece and Carthage are also our enemies and far richer. First, I must remind you that despite the current conflicts, the Greek and Punic people are civilized and can be reasoned with. It would be proper to enslave their people when we defeat them, but true spoils of war only come when the population itself is obliterated. The Gauls are not people; they are beasts. Killing a Gaul is no different from killing a wolf. They are pests, and not worthy of the respect due to civilized people. For the Greeks, their territory is fractured and dispersed between the possessions of their Macedonian allies. An attack on Greece would likely provoke war with the might of Macedon, a move that would surely risk the security we have so dearly won. For the Carthaginians, their territory can only be reached by sea, they possess many mighty fleets, and we have yet to build even a single ship of a class greater than Ligth Aphracts. Any attack would be at risk of interception at sea, a contest we cannot hope to win. Even upon a successful landing, the Punic armies are strong. Their defeats in Corsica and Sardinia may have injured them, but their military might as nearly as strong as our and we would be facing them at the seat of their power.
Gaul, on the otherhand, has been defeated. Their armies have been destroyed; their territories are defenseless. Whatever forces they may manage to throw in our way, they will be composed of poorly trained and equipped men. A single Consular force could ravage their entire nation. Of their allies, only Illyria and Thrace are currently at peace with us. The Illyrians are nearly extinct under the constant attacks from the Macedonian empire and they would never have the power to turn on us, even if they wished to do so. The Thracians control vast territories, but their armies are weak, and they are fully engaged in the north against the Germans and in the east against the Macedonians. They could not challenge us even if they wished to.
Rome must strengthen herself from within. Rome lacks the funds which to make the necessary investments. There is no risk in ravaging Gaul. There is no dishonor in ravaging Gaul. Vote for me. Vote for Augustus Verginus. I shall pave our provinces with Gallic bones and water our fields with Gallic blood.
Motion 5.5: For the duration of the 270 - 265 Consulship only, the Consul may massacre any Gallic settlement he wishes and knock down all barbaric religious structures, provided that the settlement is abandoned after the deed is done.
As my manifesto makes clear, I vigorously oppose any attempts to sieze African territories. However, I will gladly endorse motion 5.1.Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21