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damn it! I forgot how i made that mutation and now i can't do anything!:wall:
Besides, the tutorials always go like: Oh, if you want to make a cool unit just press the "make a cool unit" buttonin the bottom of the screen...
But there is No make-a-cool-unit button!!!!!
Other tutorials say: .. Oh, it's very simple... Just adjust the Vj's 34500 to kilb799 and then check the grubsanajs for putting the righutinnings at 56,888...:wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:
No, but I found a program that converts .dds to .tga, so that should work just as good. And yes, I am using GIMP.Quote:
Originally Posted by SSJVegetaTrunks
There's a guy named Bwian on the Mod Discussion board that just finished a mod to make tanks, he might help if you ask him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex_Pelasgorum
Just think how much progress we could have right now if people would make better tutorials...
El es de habla hispana, por el msn que tiene.Quote:
Originally Posted by Filibustería
yeah, your right. BUT NO EXCUSE:laugh4: keep it up! what we require is simple. So get to work!:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Filibustería
Yep, we did. He is busyQuote:
Originally Posted by SSJVegetaTrunks
Discussion of Warez is forbidden - Myrddraal
50% actuallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Caius Flaminius
I know how to model in Blender, but it cant open the files...
Is there something That can be done? Does the Vercingetorix tool work in Blender too?
IS Byzantine alive?
You mean you missed his funeral?Quote:
IS Byzantine alive?
I dont know how to speak spanish, so I get lost when I read this thread...
sorry I have not posted in a while...so many reports as to be ridiculous. Hand cramps from hell!!! Does anybody know where I can get some historical and tactical info for the unit descriptions? Also, soup nazi wishes to join us...something about 2d modelling...
¿O sea que te perdiste su funeral?Quote:
Originally Posted by Motep dra Uha Dnia Mazzat
No sé hablar español, así que me pierdo cuando leo este thread...
Perdón por no haber "posteado" por un tiempo... Tantos reportes que parece ridículo. Calambre de mano del infierno!!! ¿Alguien sabe dónde puedo conseguir información táctica e histórica para las descripciones de unidades?
Además, Soup nazi desea uírse a nosotros... algo sobre modelar en 2d...
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
Did you just copy him, but in Spanish?
your not the only one on the team who doesn't speak spanishQuote:
Originally Posted by Motep dra Uha Dnia Mazzat
What's the program that converts DDS files into TGA files?
Yes i didQuote:
Originally Posted by SSJVegetaTrunks
Hey I started to model an incan soldier on Blender... Its just the beggining i will improve it.
It is not a model from rome total war but it shows what i could do if it were possible to import rtw files to BLENDER... IS IT POSSIBLE???
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._example_1.JPG
Sorry, I have been killed by school :shame:Quote:
Originally Posted by Murfios
I will try to be as active as possable... I might be able to get the Chachapoyas units done by today!!
Good work guys!!
@Caius how is the map coming?
Would it be possable for anyone to put the Icons that Murfios has given us into the mod and attach it to an email and send it to inca_total_war@yahoo.com so we can all get it.
Are any skins ready??
Nice Models Filibustería
http://eliteforce2.filefront.com/fil...onverter;29412Quote:
Originally Posted by SSJVegetaTrunks
I have a number of suggestions....
We should turn our attention to 2D art.... leaving the 3D moddeling to the time some experienced moddelers will join us.
We need :
BUILDING ICONS (it would not be nice see dacian building icons for the Diaguita...)
FACTION CHARACTER FACES (we are not going to let the Inca`s have roman faces !!!)
NAMES (for the ones in wich we have info about the language, the ones belonging to groups with extinct languages will be left for later times when we get the necesarry info ~;) )
LOADING SCREENS (the ones so farr are awesome, but we need more !)
INTERFACES, MENU`S, ETC...
Also, we will need to research for :
CITYES, PROVINCES, RESOURCES, ETC....
We need to name the provinces, we need to name the cityes.... and add the resources. After we got a working map, we could ask permission from the FATW members to implement the "regional lore" system.
In the case there are no historically accurate names for the cityes and provinces from a certain region, we will make what CA did with Rome : give them generic names, but translated into quetchua , for the sake of some accuracy...
Everybody who wants to join the mod is welcomed.
Hello Rex
i am very interested by your idea of developing a precolumbian mod for R:TW. since i use photoshop and illustrator for my job ( i'm a freelance graphist ) i can start working with loading screens, faces, and graphics for all the buildings. Sorry to don't have abilities ( and time ) for 3D modding. But if someone could send me some standard .Tgas textures i can start working with them.
Very good, you are in !Quote:
i am very interested by your idea of developing a precolumbian mod for R:TW. since i use photoshop and illustrator for my job ( i'm a freelance graphist ) i can start working with loading screens, faces, and graphics for all the buildings
I am going to ask Ramon from IBDF in the near future to give me one of its units, wich i studied for QUITE A LONG TIME and wich suits perfectly to create a Inca unit just trough basic skinning...
If you know how to work with photoshop, then skinning is no problem for you ~;)
We could have just trough skinning at least 10-20% of the mods units... ~:)
If there would be a way to skin the walls, or so... that would be awesome, i will ask at the Scriptorium ~:)
Also, another guy, Sanders619, says he'll be a historical advisor for us, if we need one or want one. He made a topic on the Mod Discussion page, so someone can talk to him if they want.
I have some info right now...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex_Pelasgorum
DIAGUITA
Provinces:
Antofagasta, Chalingasta, Elqui, Sotaquí, Atacama, Calama, Toconao, Ticnamar, Combarbalá, Tucumán.
I think that is enough, we are not going to have 546 Diaguita Provinces, are we?
Names:
Alballay, Campillay, Sapiaín, Talinay, Chavilca, Tamango, Michimalongo, Tucmán
MAPUCHE
Provinces:
Manquehue
Angol
Elicura
Temuco
Curicó
Vitacura
Millaray
Callihue
Names:
Antümañke, Melipangi, Lefchoike, Millalwan, Leftraru, Pelantaru, Loncomilla, Galvarino, Caupolicán, Colo Colo, Loncopan, Mawunko, Nauelpan, Panguilef,
Remolcoy, Wechumanke, Yankvleufu, Epullanca, Foyelkay, Coyopay, Cheuqueman, Catrihual, Ayllapan.
That's all I know by now.
I hope you find it useful.
do you guys think I should skin on vanilla models or wait until we finish some of our owne models? I think it would be better to skin on our own models, that way they will be more accurate and will look better. Maybe until then I could do 2d art.
Great, help me out with banners and loading screens. You actually being a formal expert, what do you think of my faction icons_?Quote:
Originally Posted by belisaire
GREAT NEWS!!!!!
A MODELER HAS JOINED OUR TEAM EVERYONE!
Richard!!
We need:
Inca looking Officers(masive amount of plumes on back)
Inca heavy warrior THere are some images at the first page on how they should look like.
woohoo:balloon2: ~D ~:grouphug: :bounce: :dancing:
Thats good news!
:beam: :beam: :beam: :beam: :beam: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :cheerleader: :horn: :horn: :horn: :flowers: :dancing: :dancing: :dancing:
YAY!!!! :balloon2: :balloon2: ~:wave:Quote:
Originally Posted by Murfios
Welcome Belisaire, good to have you on the team!
Update: The Chachapoyas units are almost done, only a couple left to do.
I have finished the Chachapoyas units, and they are availible on inca_total_war@yahoo.com!!
@New Members: I will PM you the password as well as a welcome message.
@Murfios: Could you post the name of the modeler, I need to PM him.
ByzantineKnight
IT IS A DREAM, I CANNOT BELIEVE !!! IT IS SUCH A BEAUTIFULL DREAM , PEOPLE !!!!!!!! !!!!Quote:
GREAT NEWS!!!!!
A MODELER HAS JOINED OUR TEAM EVERYONE!
Richard!!
Hi murfiosQuote:
Originally Posted by Murfios
Well, your icons looks good but why the tacopan is so pale?
Guess im the moddler your looking for.
I should remind you that im freelance at the moment, I can help as much as i can but it has been a very long time since modding rtw. I cant guarentee quick results but i will do my best. I am also primarilly a Texture Artist so my best skills lay there. Also, rigging isnt my strong point as i pointed out to Murfios in a PM but i need to learn if im to make into the industry. Give me a reference image and a week to build it, UV and rigging another week perhaps (i have uni projects to complete also and are priority).
I'm assuming this project still resides in RTW??
Hy, and welcome to our team !!! ~:)Quote:
Give me a reference image and a week to build it, UV and rigging another week perhaps (i have uni projects to complete also and are priority).
There are some images of Inca Warriors on the first page of this thread... you could start making one of those guys ~:)
Again, thank you for joining us ! You made my day bright !
About the mod, it will remain for RTW 1.5, no change ~;)
I'll probably start tomorrow afternoon since I'll be home then.
Glad to be onboard.
Yay! One step closer for the mod!
And there are some mapuche images on page 5 or 6
If we got tons and tons and tons of cities, we can make a "capture 300 provinces" campaign~D .
Byzantine and the team:The map it isnt finished yet.
How much time it is until is finished (an estimate) ? How much of it was made ?Quote:
Byzantine and the team:The map it isnt finished yet.
How can we help, Caius ?
Hopefully, we will manage to establish a list of provinces , cityes and local tribes ~;)
:inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex_Pelasgorum
I posted a list with diaguita and mapuche provinces and leader names, in case nobody noticed it.
Give me some time.I need a good tutorial.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex_Pelasgorum
Will the campaign map be provincely balanced?
I mean, will there be only 3 provinces coverig brazil or chile-argentina while there are 4567 provinces in peru alone?
I didnt like that in rome total war: there were 675 provinces in europe and 17 for middle east and Africa....
Well, it kind of made sense in Rome how Europe had more cities since they show more of Euorope, but it is frustrating to see cities almost right next to each other in Italy and Greece then looking at the corners of the map and seeing them so far apart. Having cities a little far apart in a region where there aren't that many cities makes sense, but i think they overdid it in Rome.
My pc settings are a bit unbalancedQuote:
Originally Posted by belisaire
Whoohoo!:2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by richyg13
you got that rightQuote:
Originally Posted by SSJVegetaTrunks
In ITW, there will be fewer cityes in places with bad climate, or much forrest...
very few settlements in the Atacama Desert, very few in the Amazonia... the rest will be balanced.
I know, and it is very good what you did... ~:)Quote:
I posted a list with diaguita and mapuche provinces and leader names, in case nobody noticed it.
Also, we would need not just male name, but also female name... people get married in RTW ~:)
Quote:
I didnt like that in rome total war: there were 675 provinces in europe and 17 for middle east and Africa....
All games ussualy missrepresent the East and the South... the main reasons is, that it is considered that the people of south-eastern europe, or from the islamic countryes, does not buy so much the game, etc, so they dont need to have historically accurate representations of their faction...Quote:
but it is frustrating to see cities almost right next to each other in Italy and Greece then looking at the corners of the map and seeing them so far apart. Having cities a little far apart in a region where there aren't that many cities makes sense, but i think they overdid it in Rome.
Im afraid youre wrong. The Atacameño people(theres a tribe name for rebels)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex_Pelasgorum
and the chilean diaguita lived in the atacama desert for thousands of years, working copper. There were many settlements located in numerous oasis (Chile has a lot of rivers), like San Pedro de atacama, Tulor and others.
The mapuche, as they still exist, have a lot of female names that can be used, but the kakan (diaguita language) has died so those are the ONLY names i found googling for ages..Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex_Pelasgorum
We will have them in the mod ~;)Quote:
The Atacameño people(theres a tribe name for rebels)
and the chilean diaguita lived in the atacama desert for thousands of years, working copper. There were many settlements located in numerous oasis (Chile has a lot of rivers), like San Pedro de atacama, Tulor and others.
Weapons Render
https://img125.imageshack.us/img125/...nderzp9.th.jpg
These are 4 weapons I built base on what i could see in the first image, from left to right.
Hammer, Mace, Spear with feathered staff, Spear with knotted staff and plumed neck.
Poly counts arent huge.
Hammer - 111 Faces
Mace - 70 Faces
Spear 1 - 39 Faces
Spear 2 - 67 Faces
The detail comes from the textures as Belisaire probably knows. You can plug and rescale these weapons as need be, as long they are labeled primary weapon or secondary weapon when saved into .CAS format within Max.
If you specifically want to see them textured i can knock up a texture for each within 2 hours tomorrow.
I need a link to download the trial version of 3dsmax.
And it is possible to mod with other program than 3dsmax?
The plugins released are created for Max.
As for getting Max im not sure where you can download a trial. I got mine through univiersity.
Well done !! ~:)
Hmmm.... i dont think if it is worth making complicated textures for them.... a simple wood texture for the wooden part, respectively stone, copper, gold texture for the tip (depending on the unit). Also, Filibustiera had shown a specific Mapuche attack weapon.... it would be good if we managed to insert it somehow....
How about the blowpipe ? What do you think, any chances to see such a thing inserted, or should we give up to the concept ?
Concept art !! We do need some concept art... drawing warriors, etc... I have seen that SoupNazi has joined our mod... and he made some extraordinary drawings of medieval warriors, he could help us ~:)
Modelling a blow pipe is not the issue, its animating the damn thing. I'm not an animator let alone knowing how to get them into the game. All my past exploits have involved using an exisiting animation set i did try to play with animations once but failed.
Answer is if you can get an RTW experienced animator in then yes we can have blowpipes.
Oh, plus im reasonable concept artist but no where near the best. Some what still learning how to sketch things to scale.
were blowpipes used in warfare or were they just for hunting? Also with all these proffesenial artists I am starting to feel worthless..:shame:
Very worthwhile item of interest to research... OI RESEARCH PEOPLE!!! GET TO WORK!!! ... sorry my leadership skills crossing over again... im the group leader to a team of 11 people in university for a project and i been sorting them out all day! lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Lignator
Plus, us artists just make things look pretty, we worthless otherwise :D
I cant post real drawings since i have not a scaner, but I did my best:sweatdrop: and Painted this makana warrior... Hope it can be used as a reference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex_Pelasgorum
I didnt draw the makana because i already posted one
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...na_warrior.JPG
I actually AM worthless! Feel any better?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lignator
There was only really 103 provences in RTW campaign map...Quote:
Originally Posted by Filibustería
Welcome to the mod Richyg13!! :balloon2: :balloon2:
Has anyone tried the Chachapoyas yet? How are they, do I need to balance them more?
Note: Motep said that the Incas are somewhat more powerfull than the Ayamra, that will be remedied by allowing them to recruit their units much sooner than the Incas.
Just a reminder: We are leaving next week and our laptop is not fixed yet (not that I am allowed to use it to mod). So does anyone else know how to mod units (aside from Motep and anyone else not allowed to mod)? If not then the mod will come to a big halt in progress untill January, and that would be really bad.
EDIT:
@Richyg13 Aside from the units, we also need a bola model for the bola throwers, so if you could do that as well...
This is from ModDB in the Age of Mankind discussionQuote:
Originally Posted by Lonely_Soldier
Richyg13, did Renaissance World: TW take off? Do you have models/skins from this?
Hi there
Im new here, really surprised by the efforts of some people developing interesting mods for RTW. I love this game, and then I come upon this room with a proyect that has really awaken my enthusiasm. I have long dreamed and waited to see the Inca empire brought to a game with the most exact historical accuracy possible, but most of the games in wich they have appeared show -to my pain- an "azteclike" inca civ, full of mid-naked, bird-like plumed warriors, armed wit macuahitls and tepoztopillis.
¿Did I mention i am peruvian? well, its not that all peruvians know how incan warriors exactly where (most of them have the aztec-like inca warrior stereotype deep in there heads). I also dont know if there are other peruvians in this forum (if there are any, my greetings =)) but what is true is that to live here is a really big advantage if someone has curiosity and wants to learn about prehispanic past, especially if, like me, has been obsesed with the incan military, studing every possible source. Now, i see there is not only the chance to help make a rts (a mod well) based in this extraordinary civilization, but that it can be done with the awsome engine of RTW.
Well, what I want to offer here is my absolute help with all the knowledge I handle about the Inca civilization, in matter of dresses, weapons, places, cities, military ranks, and all what could contribute to a more realistic gaming experience. Im tired of naked indians passing for incas in the games, movies or series, and i want to contribute to end this ang a more realistic image of incan society. I have not read all the messages in the forum, so I really dont know how much developed the mod is nor wich sources are you handling for the design of the military suits. nevertheless, I have seen some images and concept art some of you have posted in this forum and certainly, I tell with no doubt and complete sureness there are some deep and crucial errors in them. Ill tell you wich are they i me next posts
Unfortunately, I dont have the skills to manage textures (I neither know how to make textures =() but I have some good drawing abilities. I hope soon to place here some of my own concept art of incan (and chachapoya, chanca, huanca, Kolla (or aymara), chimu) warriors, with the explanation of the different parts of the suits that i draw (thus you know im not showing nonsenses or idealizations).
well, as I said, I hope i can be of some help. if you have any doubts or questions just mail me or post them. If you agree with my idea, il try to post the first drawing soon. greetings again and keep up the good work!, bye.
I'm lazy :P so can you link we to a reference image for the bola throwers?
Age of Mankind was a major project, which i did indeed follow up into a renaisance mod. Ironically someone else has stolen that name to another mod lol.
AOM did have a few Inca units made for it but this was back before i was any good at modeling. Secondly, i doubt that i still have the original files unless they;re stored somewhere on my external hard drive... the best thing we could extract from the mod would be the faces i developed for the south american factions, managed to get a decent tanned skin tone, but im sure i can redevelop this again without much of a problem.
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If theres a reference here by lunch time i can start work on the bola.
Bolas, here you go :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by richyg13
If you need anything else, just google bola or bolas, you should come up with enough information.
@Antarkie: Thank you for your interest in our mod, I am sure you will be of great help, but we need Rex to post to make it official!! It is good to see that we are gathering a following!!
Bola Attempt Render
https://img133.imageshack.us/img133/...nderfp0.th.jpg
I tried to keep it as simple as possible, it isnt possible to flex the rope bit. For animations use the slinger set and it will look fine.
Incan Officer 1 Renders
https://img62.imageshack.us/img62/74...dersns7.th.jpg
Hi again
Just a little reference Id like to make, the "bolas" term for this weapon is actually the spanish name for the device, and its not even a translation (i dont know why wikipedia doesnt say anything about this). in the original quechua this weapon is known as "Ayllo" (or ayllu), and some say it began being used intensivley in battle after the spanish arrival, since the thing trapped the horses in charge making them fall.
I think a more proper name fot this unit could be "Incan Ayllo warrior" or "Ayllo thrower" (notice i write "AYLLO" and not "AYLLU", ayllu was the characteristic familiy unit in the ancient andes, but in fact they sound just the same). good luck there!
PD: ill try to post soon an image of a Ayllo warrior
Welcome into the mod !Quote:
Unfortunately, I dont have the skills to manage textures (I neither know how to make textures =() but I have some good drawing abilities. I hope soon to place here some of my own concept art of incan (and chachapoya, chanca, huanca, Kolla (or aymara), chimu) warriors, with the explanation of the different parts of the suits that i draw (thus you know im not showing nonsenses or idealizations).
We will need that concept art as soon as possible...
Also, we are facing the issue of giving names to units in the native languages... with the Mapuche, Inca and Aymara we managed to finish them very well, but what about Chachapoyas native names for units, or Chimu names (Chimu languages are, unfortunately dead for about 50 years or so...), not to mention the more obscure Aguaruna....There is plenty of reading to do.... familly trees to make, etc.
About Chimu, a necesarry reading !!
http://www.indiana.edu/~arch/saa/mat...saa_mod08.html
Richyg13 .... your awesome work and dedication impress me !! ~:)
Hopefully, we will finish the mod in the spring... ~;)
Tomorrow i am going to have books of history of my teacher from the school. I hope this can help.
CHIMU PERSONAL NAMES (leaders, generals)
Naymlap
Taycanamo
Y Ancenpinco
Pacatnamu
Minchancaman
Cium
Zolzdoni
Fempellec
Guacricaur
Nancenpinco
MichanVaman
Chumun Caur
Guamanchumo
Acocoyucj
Cajacimcim
Pita Zofi
Ninacola
Ninagintue
Fonda
Occhocalo
Xan Muchec
Ollop-copoc
Llapchiluli
Mascuy
Cuntipallec
Allascunti
Nofan-nech
Mulumuslan
Llamecoll
Lanipat-cum
Acunta
Fallenpisan
Eguempisan
Secfunpisan
Oxa
Pallesmassa
Possible leader title : Chimu Capac
(all that i managed to find so farr...)
There is a beatifull legend of Naymlap, it is on the net, we could insert elements of it into the mod (such as traits, ancilliaries related to it, etc..)
There is also the Oxaguaman chronicle written in the XVI century... i will search for it on the net.
P.S: in order to have historicall accuracy, there is a lot of rather obscure historicall information wich we must , more or less, read... but anyway, what you find out can turn out to be fascinating (at least from my point of view as a real life amateur ancient historian).
~:thumb: ~:thumb: ~:thumb: ~:thumb: ~:wacko:
Those Model are awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think Caius posted a Diaguita or MApuche swarrior that where like a coyote and the other like a deer. Could you make those?
Edit: Will aztec fight the Inca in a Historic battle??
Could the officer have a cape??
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._Zapa_Inca.jpg
Anything you want done just give/show me reference and I'll make, even if its a concept and not an actual historical reference.Quote:
Those Model are awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think Caius posted a Diaguita or MApuche swarrior that where like a coyote and the other like a deer. Could you make those?
Edit: Will aztec fight the Inca in a Historic battle??
Could the officer have a cape??
Capes are relativly easy to do, what kinda cape did you have in mind since none of AOM's research showed the Inca wearing capes.
No, aztecs did never even knew that Inca did exist ! ~:)Quote:
Edit: Will aztec fight the Inca in a Historic battle??
Could the officer have a cape??
In the previous pages of this thread, i have posted a number of images of Chimu Warriors.... those are the ones wearing different things on their heads ~:)Quote:
Anything you want done just give/show me reference and I'll make, even if its a concept and not an actual historical reference.
P.S: there might be a way to get the map heights... i shall speak with Caius when i will have specific informations ~:)
Reference: Mapuche Two handed Clubman!!Quote:
Originally Posted by richyg13
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped.../ed/Colcol.JPG
Yes, that is awsome!! And I agree about the slingers.Quote:
Originally Posted by richyg13
I didn't know that, but instead of Bola throwers or something like that we are using: Boleadora, Avestrucera, and Perdida (depending on the number of weights the Bolas(or Ayllo))Quote:
Originally Posted by Antarki
@Murfios: Not the incans will not fight the aztecs in historical battles, but that is what custom battles are for!!
Ok, I have the sketch of the ayllo soldier, problem is I dont know how to upload the image here, ¿could you help me a little with that?, what do I have to do?
for instance, I have a Moche dictionary. Muchik or moche, the languaje of the north coast spoken by ancient moches was also sepaken by the chimu and other people of the place (we should believe that, since the spanish made up this dictionary and other muchik dictionaries to understand the people of the kingdom of chimu, by the time a province of the Inca but a very important and populated one). ill look there for some terms, there should be some interesting stuff there.
just tell me how to hang those images !! bye
-upload your image at www.imageshack.us
-copy and paste the text labeled "thumbnail 1" or "hotlink 1" into a reply
-your image will be displayed here.
Using the tutorial of BDH, i managed to make a piece of Map_Heights.tga of Northern Chile... i`ll speak with Caius to see how is the progress, and what needs to be done for the map ~;)
Deffinetly we will need high resolution as we will have to represent high plateu regions... the altiplano...
http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehisto...nddogmoche.gif
This is a easier way to look at it...
[IMG]https://img58.imageshack.us/img58/4324/dogmancp2.th.jpg[/IMG]
The cape..well, somewhat like that dude. If it where posible, a bit over the shoulders.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._Zapa_Inca.jpg
Can all peseants throw rocks?
Peasants can throw rocks?
Ok, Here goes the concept for an ayllo soldier:
[IMG]https://img398.imageshack.us/img398/...yllopg8.th.jpg[/IMG]
The numbers are as follow:
1. the suit is a plain yellowish uncu, no stripes, no decorations, since this is light unit and of extraction from the common people. there are no decorations.
notice the long hair, please remeber: NOBLEMEN USED SHORT HAIR; PEASANTS LONG HAIR. so captains, the inca and the Cuzco noblemen used very short hair. (nevertheless this doesnt aplly to all elites of the andes)
2. the shield is the common wooden one, wrapped in yellow leather with decorations in the front.
3. the sandals are of auquenid leather , brownish or orange with stripes.
4. the helmet or "chuku" is a standard inca helmet, they where made of wood or reinforced branches wrapped in wool. there are some of them in the museum here, they look more like skater helmets but with a woolish texture. almost every inca soldier whore chukus. (in a belic culture in wich clubs where the staple, how could yo not protect your head?)
5. well, for this unit this is just a simple stone club for when the ammo runs out.
6. well, the "boleadorea" or ayllo. this goes inside a..
7. ..."chuspa" or bag. every slinger had a chuspa with stones. is obviious that a unit armed with ayllos should have also had one to handle the ayllos wich are easy to transport in a bag.
Ok, I hope you can see the image. if not ill link it again. I´ve come upon some concerns about this kind of warrior.. dont think it could have existed as armed only with this wearpon...but ill tell you later about that. for now, hope this can be of use to you.
AHHH, for the peasants,...i was thinking if they could attack with slings in the begining, you know, with just a little amo and then armed with simple stone clubs. this is cause andean peasants at the time where since childhood trained in the sling not only for battle but to pest the vermins and nefarious birds form crops, and also foxes or even pumas when they appeared as a menace to the cattle
Do you think it would be wise to get ourselves a private forum now that we've started artwork? That way we can all catergorize our work and findings so i know what I need to do and what everyone else is doing.
@Antarki
I love the concept, should be great to work from!!
So everyone knows im working on the first inca officer. He has long hair, is this going to be a problem?? or will he do as a sergeant type officer?
Officer Update
Render shows progress with texturing (very simple first layer) and start of weighting to the RTW skeleton.
https://img91.imageshack.us/img91/93...ltexkc6.th.jpg
This is almost ready to be entered into CAS format... im reasonably sure it will work fine. I dont have RTW installed right now due to lack of HD space, so someone will have to test it for me. I'll finish a sample texture to use in testing.
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Also, those soldiers that Murfios has posted... can someone draw concepts for them since the detail is poor on that picture.