The War of The Spanish Succession/Great Northern War

Now the most complex thing in the game the Union between the Netherlands and England.
King William III of england came to power in the glourious reveloution of 1688 when several leading members of the English Parleiment invited him to take the throne to stop the catholic king James II. William accepted and landed in england with an army at his back. The fight was realitivly bloodless with the commander of the english army sent to meet him (John Churchill), defecting to his cause along with his daughter Anne, he fled to france leaving William in power.

The problem about the Seapowers, as they are often called, is the fact that they don't fit into any clear cut catagory. Parliment on both sides insured that the two nations never operated as a complete whole but at the same time how can one person conflict themselves? It's the great delemia of the IH. Or at least untill 1701 when William dies and the whole thing goes away.

As of now we are playing were england has contol of her forces and vice versa. Forigen policy must be agreed on by both parties.

Also note that all deadlines ect are gmt - 8

DoH, am I ever going to get any choices, or should I wing it? I'm getting very tired of asking and not getting any answers.

Please try winging it this time, next time I'll try to get all the descions out in the first couple of days.

OOC:
May I make some proposals?

1) Let the Kings of Spain and England and the Netherlands die. The current situation is only confusing.
2) Is it possible to increase the periods. I mean, three months is a short time. For example it will take several periods for the Austrian troops to arrive at the Netherlands.

Agreed with 2.
Sweden founded some colonies last turn? How, it takes 1 year to properly sail to the East and atleast 8 months to the New World.

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Originally Posted by Stig

Agreed with 2.
Sweden founded some colonies last turn? How, it takes 1 year to properly sail to the East and atleast 8 months to the New World.

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Same. IT would take me months to get there. so yea,I argee.

If we lengthen the duration, there will be fewer turns. Rather than that, I think it would be better if DOH just says something like "A colonial expedition was launched from Stockholm, its destination declared to be island X and is expected to arrive in turn 3 (or 4)."

Don,
the game is set up for 30 year, which means 120 turns. At the current speed this will take decades. I fear our children will have to end the game, then ~;)

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Originally Posted by Franconicus

Don,
the game is set up for 30 year, which means 120 turns. At the current speed this will take decades. I fear our children will have to end the game, then ~;)

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lol Yea. Up to DOH :yes:

ok, Back into Character:



What do you Say France? Like I said, I will not hold any discussions with you untill you and the Netherlands re-open the borders/ports up again. We are not trying to be Hostile, We are taking defensive measures against People we consder taking hostile measures against us.



Leopold I of Austria

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It is with deep regret that Sweden must announce that we find Courland to be in violation of the Treaty of Oliva. As per the terms of the treaty, Courland is required to obtain Swedish approval of any named regents. We were not consulted with regards to the appointment of General Ferdinand as regent of young duke Frederich Wilhelm Kettler, nor do we approve of this surreptitious attempt by the Saxon/Polish union to appropriate the duchy of Courland. What's more, our emissaries in Mitau have reported appalling treatment of the young duke at the hands of his regent. Apparently the duke is being kept prisoner within the estate of General Ferdinand. The two times our emissaries were able to gain access to him, he was deeply bruised, terrified, and clearly malnourished.

We hereby serve formal notice to the Diet of Courland to remove General Ferdinand from regency and offer a list of potential candidates for approval to our ambassador within a fortnight. Failure to do so will require immediate action on our part.

OOC: I will be away 2 weeks from the 27th, so everyone don't send me PM's and such because I won't answer. DoH,you can still send next chapters decisions and I'll answer them when I get back. I will take control of Bavaria fully when I get back.

DoH, your PM box is full. Please clear space so I can get my orders in.:bow:

Thanks. Orders sent.

Cleared

can't wait for the chapter?

DoH, when will I get the answers from many of the questions I pm'ed to you?

It is also interesting to note that both England and Netherlands have completely different foreign policy...

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It is also interesting to note that both England and Netherlands have completely different foreign policy...

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Indeed!

As they kinda had in real. They just had the same head of state, but also strong ruling parties that in real ruled the country, it's just that they can never attack eachother now.

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OOC:
May I make some proposals?

1) Let the Kings of Spain and England and the Netherlands die. The current situation is only confusing.
2) Is it possible to increase the periods. I mean, three months is a short time. For example it will take several periods for the Austrian troops to arrive at the Netherlands.

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I agree with one, I'll kill off William first thing and the Spanish king will die late in the turn.

2. Yes I think this wouldn't be a bad idea. What do you think about going to two turns a year like 17th century?

and tran I'm doing some research into your question now I'll try to get it back to you tonight.

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Originally Posted by Destroyer of Hope

I agree with one, I'll kill off William first thing and the Spanish king will die late in the turn.

2. Yes I think this wouldn't be a bad idea. What do you think about going to two turns a year like 17th century?

and tran I'm doing some research into your question now I'll try to get it back to you tonight.

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that's a good idea. It's confusing trying to do the Whole William thing, and I found out if my research is right that william doesn't die untill 1702 (or 1703 I don't remember), so if every turn now is, what, 3 months?, then it would takee forever for him to kill off.

You can't just kill William, not without allowing Tran and me to say something on it.

In real he died in 1702, let him die in 1702 in this game as well.

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Originally Posted by Stig

You can't just kill William, not without allowing Tran and me to say something on it.

In real he died in 1702, let him die in 1702 in this game as well.

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Then makes the turn 6 months long or something, so it can go alittle faster so he can died in 1702, because it's to confusing for me to try to talk to England, then have Netherlands saying England can't do such and such with Austria BEcause you know.

You should have simply CC'ed the message to me, because you can't really talk to England in private, as Holland is England as well.
You should have remembered that both countries have the same ruler, so you couldn't plot against one of them with the other.

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Originally Posted by Stig

You should have simply CC'ed the message to me, because you can't really talk to England in private, as Holland is England as well.
You should have remembered that both countries have the same ruler, so you couldn't plot against one of them with the other.

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Of Course, I never plotted against Netherlands, but I'm just saying,


For Example. If I wanted to attack Spain, (just a example), if I ask tran, he would say Yes for example, but you would say no. Or if We went and Attack... Poland! (a Example to), You might say Yes Stig, but Tran would say No, it's just to confusing to have to get 2 people to argee on something.

Nope, that would be possible, England can help you on it's own. But not with something that would directly go against the Dutch (as bringing in troops by sea, while I'm blocking the Belgian port(s))

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Originally Posted by Stig

Nope, that would be possible, England can help you on it's own. But not with something that would directly go against the Dutch (as bringing in troops by sea, while I'm blocking the Belgian port(s))

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ah. Now I get it. :yes:

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

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It is with deep regret that Sweden must announce that we find Courland to be in violation of the Treaty of Oliva. As per the terms of the treaty, Courland is required to obtain Swedish approval of any named regents. We were not consulted with regards to the appointment of General Ferdinand as regent of young duke Frederich Wilhelm Kettler, nor do we approve of this surreptitious attempt by the Saxon/Polish union to appropriate the duchy of Courland. What's more, our emissaries in Mitau have reported appalling treatment of the young duke at the hands of his regent. Apparently the duke is being kept prisoner within the estate of General Ferdinand. The two times our emissaries were able to gain access to him, he was deeply bruised, terrified, and clearly malnourished.

We hereby serve formal notice to the Diet of Courland to remove General Ferdinand from regency and offer a list of potential candidates for approval to our ambassador within a fortnight. Failure to do so will require immediate action on our part.

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OCC: I saw Leopold I signed it, am I involed in this or no? just curious.

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

:sweden:

It is with deep regret that Sweden must announce that we find Courland to be in violation of the Treaty of Oliva. As per the terms of the treaty, Courland is required to obtain Swedish approval of any named regents. We were not consulted with regards to the appointment of General Ferdinand as regent of young duke Frederich Wilhelm Kettler, nor do we approve of this surreptitious attempt by the Saxon/Polish union to appropriate the duchy of Courland. What's more, our emissaries in Mitau have reported appalling treatment of the young duke at the hands of his regent. Apparently the duke is being kept prisoner within the estate of General Ferdinand. The two times our emissaries were able to gain access to him, he was deeply bruised, terrified, and clearly malnourished.

We hereby serve formal notice to the Diet of Courland to remove General Ferdinand from regency and offer a list of potential candidates for approval to our ambassador within a fortnight. Failure to do so will require immediate action on our part.

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Although Courland has enjoyed a certain level of...autonomy, let me remind the courts of Europe that Courland has until recently paid nominal tribute to the Polish Crown. Perhaps I would be best suited to investigate and resolve the issue?

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Originally Posted by King Jan III Sobieski

Although Courland has enjoyed a certain level of...autonomy, let me remind the courts of Europe that Courland has until recently paid nominal tribute to the Polish Crown. Perhaps I would be best suited to investigate and resolve the issue?

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:sweden: It has been your devilish fiend that's has deprived the Duke of Courland of liberty and has visited physical violence upon him. General Ferdinand must step down as regent immediately, and the Diet of Courland should begin selecting an alternative regent for our approval. At once. Poland has no further business in this matter, you've done quite enough already.

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Originally Posted by Stig

Nope, that would be possible, England can help you on it's own. But not with something that would directly go against the Dutch (as bringing in troops by sea, while I'm blocking the Belgian port(s))

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Yes but remember england has a sizeable navy to.

I've posted a poll on francs proposals

What's the ETA on the next chapter?

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What's the ETA on the next chapter?

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I would give him until Tuesday, Mabye Wedensday before asking, Decsions was only due 3 days ago! :yes:


But Sersiuoy, Yea, good question. Kagemusha had his New Chapter up in 3 days. Deadline was on Friday, then Kage posted his new chapter that Monday. But I do not know.

It depends it looks like I'll have a lot of time to work on it today so if we're lucky today or worst case wedsday.

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It depends it looks like I'll have a lot of time to work on it today so if we're lucky today or worst case wedsday.

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Hopefully around Monday would be good. Take your time.
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Have I sent in the orders I need? I think I have.

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Have I sent in the orders I need? I think I have.

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I have all orders I need.

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I have all orders I need.

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Does it usaully take awhile for you to research and write everything up?

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It depends it looks like I'll have a lot of time to work on it today so if we're lucky today or worst case wedsday.

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Post it Today,Post it Today!!


Me Sorry, Me go sit down and wait :yes:

Chapter III, The spark and the gunpowder

The following takes place between April 1st 1700 and June 31st 1700


War finally breaks out with an extensive naval campaign by England with 65 ships of the line and 40 frigates. ships aimed at destroying the Naval power of Denmark and Sweden. The fleet under Sir Gorge Rooke, setting sail from Scotland, engages a Danish fleet off the western shore of Denmark of 15 ships of the line and 5 frigates. Denmark's first fleet is shattered and sails north to link up with other Danish forces. In the end this makes no difference as the Danish fleet is reduced to 12 ships of the line and 6 frigates in the coming battles. The English have meanwhile have only lost 2 ships of the line and a frigate. However the campaign is not over as one more battle takes place between the Swedish Baltic forces of 30 ships of the line and ten smaller frigates. Sweden's fleet is defeated but manages to withdraw in fairly good order to Settein. The Swedish fleet has lost 5 frigates and 3 ships of the line while the English fleets has lost 2 ships of the line and 3 frigates. In a completely unrelated move a Dutch fleet has also moved and cut off all trade to Denmark. Faced with the English fleet Sweden is unable to transport men to its colonies, though Baltic sea lanes remain open. However only 3,000 of the Danish troops are able to return back to Copenhagen due to the extra emphasis the seapowers are placing on their shores.

The naval campaign takes place, next to an Austrian/polish offensive. The main thrust consisting of 25,000 polish and 16,000 Austrians crosses the Prussian boarder with out any attempt for secrecy or defense. What ever the reason for the commanders attitude about this he pays as a Prussian force of 8,000 ambushes him with great success killing 2,500 men compared to the Prussian loses of 300. Realizing that the Prussians are not going to let them pass though the army turns and continues its advance this time aimed at Frankfurt. The advance is bitter and slow, with the invading army facing scorched earth tactics. By the end of June, Frankfurt is under siege with 8,000 men held up in its walls. An additional 2,000 Prussian men wait behind the order ready to once again oppose the invasion. The Austrians and polish have lost 600 men each and the Prussians another thousand.

The Austrians also launch several smaller campaigns the first of these being aimed at Settin, with 10,000 men. Sweden reacts quickly mobilizing 8,000 men to meet them in the field. The Swedish army takes up a strong defensive position blocking the Austrian advance and then waits for the Austrian army. Seeing that they have a comfortable numeric superiority the imperial troops assault the Swedish position. At the end of the day the Swedes concentrated firepower and superiority in artillery turns the day when a calvary counterattack is delivered to the flank of the already greatly weakened Austrian body. After the battle the Austrians retreat back to the Pomeranian/Brandenburg border. The Swedes have lost 500 men while the Austrians have lost around 900. An force of 5,000 Austrian men has also entered Bavaria and has begun to burn the country side. So far only small skirmishes have been reported.

England has also launched their own offensive. Marching through Hanover and Brunswick from the Netherlands into Mecklenburg. The offensive is aided by men given over to them by there new allies, Hanover and Brunswick who each send 5,000 of their own men to aid the 20,000 English solders, under John Churchill, Duke of Marlborough. A battle happens at the border were the Danish army of 16,000 plus 5,000 of Mecklenburgs own forces, tries to block the advance of the English army but is defeated and forced to fall back. The English have lost 800 men while the Danish have lost 1,700. England also lands a force of 8,000 in Northern Denmark an inconclusive battle also takes place between an equal size army. The battle is largely inconclusive with both sides losing 500 men. In the colonies England sizes the Swedish Caribieen and African colonies with little effort, it also launches an expedition to Iceland which has yet to arrive.

Meanwhile in Germany, the Reichstag has for t he first time in many years taken place as an actual platform for discussion. The German states have promised to band to together and stand against the threat of Austrian tyranny. One of there first actions is to mount a formal declaration of war on Saxony and Austria, followed by promises of assistance to Bavaria and Brandenburg. Most importantly however they have ratified a treaty of mutual protection with France. The treaty has France promise that it will respect and defend the rights of the German states in return for the French ability to station troops upon the boarder of hostile parties.

In other news, France Spain and the Ottomans have started construction on a Suez canal. The date of completion is estimated at least 12 years in the future. Sweden has founded a compulsory education program and a military academy. England ships have also been see giving a show of force outside Lisbon.


Current Diplomatic statuses
Northern power vs The Grand Alliance
The Northern powers:

Sweden
Denmark
Brandenburg
Bavaria
The German States

The Grand Alliance

England
Austria
Poland/Saxony
Hanover
Burnswick

Due date for orders is Monday, 8

So... why do the British outnumber me in Infantry by so much?

12 years to build a Suez Canal?

Can I get their machinical diggers as well?

Excellent chappter! The game finally started. Bad, bad English, stupid Austrians :no:

DoH: Just two wishes:
1) What isthe next planning period?
2) Can you give some info about naval power?

Oh, and another one: the Sultan changed his name to kamikhan. Could you change this in the player list, please?

:france:
France asks the Austrian Emperor for an explanation aboutthe reasons for his military actions against Sweden, Brandenburg and Bavaria. Especially we ask him to explain the agression against the Free Imperial City of Frankfurt.
:france:
France asks the King of England about the cause and objectives of his war against Denmark and Sweden.

:sweden:

Sweden is shocked and astonished by this act of naked aggression. We note for all interested parties that we did all we could to avoid war with Austria. In spite of our efforts, they have shown themselves to be murderous thieves and launched a 'sneak attack' on Stettin, with no formal declaration of war given.

We also note, that despite having the element of surprise and numerical superiority, we inflicted casualties upon them in the ratio of two to one. This is as good as its going to get for Augustus and Leopold. Their troops cannot stand against the mighty Swedish army, and now provoked, we will not rest until Warsaw, Dresden and Vienna lay smoldering in ruins.

We do not understand the British aggression against Denmark, but as Denmark is our blood ally, we have no choice but to issue a formal declaration of war against Great Britain. We are sorry about this turn of events and should Britain be open to a diplomatic solution, our envoys are ready to travel to London at a moment's notice.

But no negotiators are ready for you, Leopold and Augustus. I will hang you from the tallest tree I can find. Your treachery, cowardice and dishonor will be your downfall. I will not rest until the two of you are brought to heel.

We applaud the restraint shown by the United Netherlands and ask them to remain a neutral party in this act.

We also ask our friends across the continent to condemn these acts of wanton violence and treachery.

To the Great Destoyer of Hope:

While others are trying to spoil your birthday party with ruthless attacks, France sends you the best wishes accompanied by some barrels of the lovely Bordeau whine and some very exciting and exotic female slaves from Her colonies. Enjoy your day!

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So... why do the British outnumber me in Infantry by so much?

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You only had 16,000 as you were in the process of moving your men back to Denmark. The also had a base of 20,000 men plus 5,000 each from Hanover and Burnswick.

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1) What isthe next planning period?

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We are switching to half years for turns now, the next descions will effect from July 1st to December 31st

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2) Can you give some info about naval power?

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The English are the most powerful with the Netherlands as a close second. France is third and has a navy enough though while outnumbered by ethier they can do a fair job being against etheir navy except when it comes to a slugging match. Sweden is still the dominate power on the Baltic in Naval terms but as we saw before larger navies can also force the straight. France also has an advantage in the Mediterranean galley fleets.

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Originally Posted by Franconicus

France asks the King of England about the cause and objectives of his war against Denmark and Sweden.

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What? You did not know? We have already discussed this matter in private long before we are forced to take this action.

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

We do not understand the British aggression against Denmark

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Really? Do some European leaders, notably the Sweden, happen to have short memory? Or are you trying to look innocent? We will just assume it is the first one, and I suggest you refresh your memory. As you already know, we both have discussed many things previously. It is a shame though, that you chose not to reply our private letter previously. If you still forget, I will make this clear:

It was the unprovoked hostilities initiated by both Denmark and Sweden toward British and Netherlands, the blatant invasion of Macklenburg, and your hypocrisy that forced us to take action. We could choose not to bother, but then you will silently stab us in the back and asked the whole continent to destroy us. Both Denmark and Sweden left us with no choice. It was not started by the British, this whole event in Europe is caused by Denmark and Sweden recklessness.

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...murderous thieves and launched a 'sneak attack'...

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Please...you asked us, British, in private, to do worse things to them previously. Now you condemn them, simply because they know Sweden is going to attack you? Do not deny this, we still have the proof of this.

Edit: Forgot to say this:
Great chapter Destroyer of Hope! And also, happy birthday! :2thumbsup: :medievalcheers:

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Originally Posted by Franconicus

To the Great Destoyer of Hope:

While others are trying to spoil your birthday party with ruthless attacks, France sends you the best wishes accompanied by some barrels of the lovely Bordeau whine and some very exciting and exotic female slaves from Her colonies. Enjoy your day!

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Thanks :2thumbsup:

We dropped our embargo against you, and we explained it was because we were concerned about the imbalance uniting the British and Dutch navies was causing. Clearly, we were wrong in this, as unlike you, the United Netherlands have decided to remain neutral in this conflict.

As for our treaty requests in the past, consider the situation I faced. Augustus had received agreements from Denmark and Russia to attack me, for no reason. I had to move quickly, and I did so. I did not intend any aggressive actions against Saxony/Poland or Austria, but now that they have launched a sneak attack against me, you can bet that I'm going to be very aggressive towards them.

I've already beaten the Austrian army when they had the element of surprise. They won't have it again, so I don't see their odds improving. Do you really want to continue to help them in their naked acts of aggression?

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What? You did not know? We have already discussed this matter in private long before we are forced to take this action.


Really? Do some European leaders, notably the Sweden, happen to have short memory? Or are you trying to look innocent? We will just assume it is the first one, and I suggest you refresh your memory. As you already know, we both have discussed many things previously. It is a shame though, that you chose not to reply our private letter previously. If you still forget, I will make this clear:

It was the unprovoked hostilities initiated by both Denmark and Sweden toward British and Netherlands, the blatant invasion of Macklenburg, and your hypocrisy that forced us to take action. We could choose not to bother, but then you will silently stab us in the back and asked the whole continent to destroy us. Both Denmark and Sweden left us with no choice. It was not started by the British, this whole event in Europe is caused by Denmark and Sweden recklessness.


Please...you asked us, British, in private, to do worse things to them previously. Now you condemn them, simply because they know Sweden is going to attack you? Do not deny this, we still have the proof of this.

Edit: Forgot to say this:
Great chapter Destroyer of Hope! And also, happy birthday! :2thumbsup: :medievalcheers:

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What Tran Yes :yes: .


Dang my Armies! Damn my armies to hell! going to kill the 2 guys I stuck in command of them. if I could swear more here, I would :yes: :laugh4:

I post in character in a minute. I gotta go e-mail Janos.

What Train Said* typo :laugh4:

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Sweden is shocked and astonished by this act of naked aggression. We note for all interested parties that we did all we could to avoid war with Austria. In spite of our efforts, they have shown themselves to be murderous thieves and launched a 'sneak attack' on Stettin, with no formal declaration of war given.

We also note, that despite having the element of surprise and numerical superiority, we inflicted casualties upon them in the ratio of two to one. This is as good as its going to get for Augustus and Leopold. Their troops cannot stand against the mighty Swedish army, and now provoked, we will not rest until Warsaw, Dresden and Vienna lay smoldering in ruins.

We do not understand the British aggression against Denmark, but as Denmark is our blood ally, we have no choice but to issue a formal declaration of war against Great Britain. We are sorry about this turn of events and should Britain be open to a diplomatic solution, our envoys are ready to travel to London at a moment's notice.

But no negotiators are ready for you, Leopold and Augustus. I will hang you from the tallest tree I can find. Your treachery, cowardice and dishonor will be your downfall. I will not rest until the two of you are brought to heel.

We applaud the restraint shown by the United Netherlands and ask them to remain a neutral party in this act.

We also ask our friends across the continent to condemn these acts of wanton violence and treachery.

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Those are mighty words coming from Sweden. The Commander I put in charge of that Force I have excuted for being stupid. How do you think you can March into Warsaw, let alone Vienna, while you have to go though us?

You think you can hang us? Excellet! And I shall have your body stuck on a pike, and sent to the Ottomans as a Present!


Austrian Army is now moblizied, and reform. I do not think I have anything major to worry about. We will Capture Frankfurt, and burn it to the Ground.




France, we recived word that you might have wanted to attack the Austrian Netherlands with the United Netherlands? Sources from allies tell me that, so I don't think I should tell you anything first. I presume it's true, so why did you want to lauch a assault on the Spanish Netherlands? To Worry about me having a small 9,000 man force there?

OCC:DOH, you going to send decsions out or no? I was just curious if you still was or not.

OOC: Happy birthday DOH!

By the way, did Saxony/Poland take part in Austria's attack on Stettin? Am I at war with both of them, or just Austria? I'm assuming at some point Austria did actually formally declare war on me, correct?

Also, can we get some sort of a tally on navies?

No Don. We, Polish/Austrian was going to Meckleburg, but the Brandenburgs (damn you lol), delayed us, thus we wind up attack Frankfurt (which we will take). If we were not delay, we would have both attack Stettin after Meckleburg., so Yes, Both of us.

Okay, so the army of 10K was Austrians and Polish. Thanks, just trying to keep tabs on who I'm actually at war with. Without further ado...

:sweden:

The Swedish people note that Poland cooperated in the attack on Stettin. In response, Sweden formally declares war on Austria and on Saxony/Poland.

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Okay, so the army of 10K was Austrians and Polish. Thanks, just trying to keep tabs on who I'm actually at war with. Without further ado...

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The Swedish people note that Poland cooperated in the attack on Stettin. In response, Sweden formally declares war on Austria and on Saxony/Poland.

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:austria:

Austria, which is already known, but must make it clear in case, Will Formally Declare War on Sweden,Denmark, and Bradenburg.


:england: :poland:

The Swedish threat is duly noted by King Augustus II. :no: :inquisitive: :no:

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The Swedish threat is duly noted by King Augustus II. :no: :inquisitive: :no:

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:austria: :poland:

Do not worried Augustus, Sweden is no Threat for us. I will support you.



Leopold I of the Austrian Empire

After having private talk with Swedish leader, we came to the conclusion that Sweden is not interested with peace despite clear hostility which he and Denmark started. We are very sadden by these, and regret that this matter has to be solved by force, instead of peace talk.

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After having private talk with Swedish leader, we came to the conclusion that Sweden is not interested with peace despite clear hostility which he and Denmark started. We are very sadden by these, and regret that this matter has to be solved by force, instead of peace talk.

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As long as we're publicly disclosing private discussions, in the interest of disclosure, perhaps we should tell everyone what the terms of your so-called peace were.

He told me I had to abandon Brandenburg and Bavaria to Austria or he would begin raiding my shipping in the Baltic.

Augustus, you attacked me. I'm not making threats, I'm defending myself.

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As long as we're publicly disclosing private discussions, in the interest of disclosure, perhaps we should tell everyone what the terms of your so-called peace were.

He told me I had to abandon Brandenburg and Bavaria to Austria or he would begin raiding my shipping in the Baltic.

Augustus, you attacked me. I'm not making threats, I'm defending myself.

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That Sounds like a good Deal to me, But Sweden is to Foolish. Bradenburg and Bavaria to important for you to lose Sweden?

First off, I'm not worried about losing Sweden. Based on the difficulties you had subduing Augsburg, let alone Stettin, I'm not concerned about the Imperial Austrian army. One more of your 'victories' and I won't have to come to Vienna, your own people will depose you.

Secondly, unlike the men of Austria, when we Swedes make an alliance, we stick to it. We defend our friends when we say we will. And if you think we're going to let you march into Bavaria unchecked, think again.

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First off, I'm not worried about losing Sweden. Based on the difficulties you had subduing Augsburg, let alone Stettin, I'm not concerned about the Imperial Austrian army. One more of your 'victories' and I won't have to come to Vienna, your own people will depose you.

Secondly, unlike the men of Austria, when we Swedes make an alliance, we stick to it. We defend our friends when we say we will. And if you think we're going to let you march into Bavaria unchecked, think again.

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We would have taken Augsburg if The Spanish Netherlands was not on the Table, rather you admit that or not.


One win over the Imperial Army, and you think you can beat us again? Sadly yes, we lost thee element of suprise, but that won't mean much.


We Stick to our alliances to. Remember When we was going to go to War Many moons ago, and I was going to support Poland? Look who still allies now, Austria and Poland. England became another major ally, and I don't know how you can stop us.

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We would have taken Augsburg if The Spanish Netherlands was not on the Table, rather you admit that or not.


One win over the Imperial Army, and you think you can beat us again? Sadly yes, we lost thee element of suprise, but that won't mean much.


We Stick to our alliances to. Remember When we was going to go to War Many moons ago, and I was going to support Poland? Look who still allies now, Austria and Poland. England became another major ally, and I don't know how you can stop us.

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Augsburg is a small independent city with no standing army to speak of, and yet they managed to give you a bloody nose. You lost many more troops than the city was worth. Now you try to 'sneak attack' Stettin and lose 2:1. How long before the Austrian people say enough to watching their sons die at the hands of a heartless and incompetent ruler?

Don't worry about how I'm going to stop you. Just be ready for it when I do.:skull:

We Prussians are a resilient bunch, and we will not be easily broken. The Austrians and Polish have violated our borders for no other reason than to attack the small duchy of Mecklenburg. Do you believe Leopold, that you can do whatever you please? Have you gone mad? You have violated the sovereignty of Prussia and you will pay with blood.

Frederick I

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We Prussians are a resilient bunch, and we will not be easily broken. The Austrians and Polish have violated our borders for no other reason than to attack the small duchy of Mecklenburg. Do you believe Leopold, that you can do whatever you please? Have you gone mad? You have violated the sovereignty of Prussia and you will pay with blood.

Frederick I

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Do you not think we told Poland your plans of attacking them? DO you really think we will not help our allies in Poland? Do you think I really wanted to invade Poland/Saxony with you Frederick? We was both laughing at you as more information came in from our spies of how you wanted to assault Poland. We will take Frankfurt, then We will have no ploblem taking care of you in youe homeland.




Leopold I of Austria

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Do you not think we told Poland your plans of attacking them? DO you really think we will not help our allies in Poland? Do you think I really wanted to invade Poland/Saxony with you Frederick? We was both laughing at you as more information came in from our spies of how you wanted to assault Poland. We will take Frankfurt, then We will have no ploblem taking care of you in youe homeland.




Leopold I of Austria

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Attacking Poland? So, you must lie to try to justify your unprovoked attack on me? You have sunk low Leopold, very low.

Frederick I

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Attacking Poland? So, you must lie to try to justify your unprovoked attack on me? You have sunk low Leopold, very low.

Frederick I

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OCC: Only if I would have saved that convo.....:yes: :laugh4:






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Do Not Lie Frederick. England and Poland was both told about this, and we met personally to discuss this,only so I could get information from you. But No Sense of Arguing if I did not keep the records of our discussion.


Leopold I

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Attacking Poland? So, you must lie to try to justify your unprovoked attack on me? You have sunk low Leopold, very low.

Frederick I

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Oh, it is no lie, Frederick. For shame, for shame!

You have been sucked in by Leopold's lies. You should come to your senses, and repent for your sins and beg for our forgiveness and maybe we would be willing to forgive you.

A Manifesto to the Danish People!

People!

Today we have witnessed much blind aggression and hatred from the English people. They have come to kill all your Sons and rape all your Daughters! They care not who or what they destroy, they are wilfully ignorant of our people and our ways.

They do not know that we are a fighting people.

I urge you to remember the wars we have won and the many peoples who have fallen under the control of us! I urge you to remember those who have been slain thus far in defence of our homeland! But most of all, I urge you to remember Denmark!

They do not know how we love our country.

Our people are great and holy. Their people are poor and ignorant. But there is no man more ignorant than the King of England. This man believes that an army of Englishmen could defeat an army comprised entirely of great Danish people! How could the man believe such a thing?

They do not know how glorious our armies are.

What we need now are men! Men to fight our battles! Men to kill Englishmen! Men willing to die for Denmark! That is why I am putting forth a royal decree. All men of serviceable military age shall now be put into military training for one month compulsory training, before being drafted into Regiments and sent to kill the Englishmen!

They do not know how willing we are to die.

So death I say! Death to the Englishman! Death to the traitorous cur! Death to those who would separate us form our homeland!

DEATH TO THE ENGLISHMAN!

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You have been sucked in by Leopold's lies. You should come to your senses, and repent for your sins and beg for our forgiveness and maybe we would be willing to forgive you.

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Why Should we be scared of you Frederick? Your Army will soon Fall, the only reason why you had luck was you ambush us (because of one of my stupid commanders, I had him executed), but Like the Swedes said, The Element of Suprise is over! Brandenburg and Bavaria with Suffer and die for being Rebels!



Leopold I of Austria

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Why Should we be scared of you Frederick? Your Army will soon Fall, the only reason why you had luck was you ambush us (because of one of my stupid commanders, I had him executed), but Like the Swedes said, The Element of Suprise is over! Brandenburg and Bavaria with Suffer and die for being Rebels!

Leopold I of Austria

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Put down the wineglass, Leopold, you're forgetting your own imperial decrees. By your own word, you decreed Brandenburg and Bavaria to be autonomous states. And I said your element of surprise is over. The big surprise now is the one you're going to get when we march our armies into Vienna and remove you from the throne, and the one Augustus is going to get when I finally get my hands on him! Huzzah!

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Why Should we be scared of you Frederick? Your Army will soon Fall, the only reason why you had luck was you ambush us (because of one of my stupid commanders, I had him executed), but Like the Swedes said, The Element of Suprise is over! Brandenburg and Bavaria with Suffer and die for being Rebels!



Leopold I of Austria

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You were ambushed because I was told of what you planned on doing. Without my knowledge or my consent, do you think you can march your armies wherever you please and it not have consequences? You are foolish if you believe you can.

We are rebels? How do you figure that? We were allowed our freedom by you the HRE Emperor. Do you not remember this? We are free and as free people we will not let you violate our lands for whatever reason you see fit.

SOrry I'm so quiet guys. Real Life is a bit stressful. Will be replying though

Oh forgot to add Happy Birthday DoH!!!

Message From the Great Ottoman Sultan, Mustafa II.

The Ottoman Empire herebye issues a declaration of war against both the Polish/Saxon throne, and the Emperor of Austria, Leopold. Not only have you both attacked my mutual ally, Sweden, but Austria has now, on multiple occasions, attempted to put under thumb many independent states. Furthermore, the blatant disregard for the rights of Brandenburg, an independent nation and current ally, is the final straw. Leopold and Augustus, you have been warned: you have awakened the sleeping giant. And unlike the two of you, I do not launch dishonorable sneak attacks on others.

OOC-Happy b-day, DoH!

Happy Birthday DoH!