What Factions would you like to see in Empire Total War

Hi everyone. I've been spying around here quite a bit lately, but I think I've found something post-worthy. I'm not sure if anyone else has noticed, nor am I sure this is the right place to post it, but from the latest Gamespot video (i.e. "the Road to Independence"), it looks like the Maratha Confederacy will be playable. I took a screenshot of it, but apparently I am not allowed to include attachments. However, it is around 00:37.

On a further note, it looks like I'm not even allowed to post links. Seriously, what kind of fascism is this?

You're a junior member. In this society, the abilities to post links and edit posts are privileges granted to the rare few. :clown:

Anyways, if the Maratha Confed is that huge Indian empire, then yeah, it's playable. I think it's been an undisputed belief for a while, now, but I'm not sure.

I was assuming the Indian playable faction was going to be the Mughals, not the Maratha. I think the Maratha will probably be in the game though.

As for Austria, with the new total of 12 playable factions I would say it is almost certain to be in the game as a playable faction.

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Originally Posted by Sir Beane

I was assuming the Indian playable faction was going to be the Mughals, not the Maratha. I think the Maratha will probably be in the game though.

As for Austria, with the new total of 12 playable factions I would say it is almost certain to be in the game as a playable faction.

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I'm not too up to date on my Indian history, but it LOOKS like the Mughals actually peaked around 1707. The Maratha apparently existed at that point, somehow...I guess as a coalition within the Mughal state.

But yeah, maybe they'll be an emergent faction, which shows up when the Mughals lose control of a certain number of states.

Welcome to the Org, Azlahn! Good to see you here. ~:cheers:

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Originally Posted by Azlahn

Hi everyone. I've been spying around here quite a bit lately, but I think I've found something post-worthy. I'm not sure if anyone else has noticed, nor am I sure this is the right place to post it, but from the latest Gamespot video (i.e. "the Road to Independence"), it looks like the Maratha Confederacy will be playable. I took a screenshot of it, but apparently I am not allowed to include attachments. However, it is around 00:37.

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I saw their shield/flag, but I don't know that it necessarily means they're playable, only that they're a faction in the game. Given that CA has previously stated the Mughal Empire is already going to be playable, I strongly doubt they'd add another playable Indian faction.

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Originally Posted by Azlahn

On a further note, it looks like I'm not even allowed to post links. Seriously, what kind of fascism is this?

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Trust me, fascism has nothing to do with it. It's actually set up that way to hinder spambots, as it's harder for them to advertise effectively if you can't click on a link. I sincerely apologize for the inconvenience, however. :gah2:

That being said, if you simply continue to participate in a helpful manner (as you already have), you'll be granted full membership in a week or two; I promise. :bow:

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Originally Posted by Methuselah

Anyways, if the Maratha Confed is that huge Indian empire, then yeah, it's playable. I think it's been an undisputed belief for a while, now, but I'm not sure.

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Well like I said earlier, CA had stated a long time ago that it was going to be the Mughals that would be playable. Unless they decided to go with the Maratha instead since then? I suppose it's possible. :shrug:

https://i176.photobucket.com/albums/...ge/Mughals.jpg

This is a map of the Mughal Empire at it's greatest historical extent, which coincidentally was 1700, just as the game starts. At the start of the game the Maratha had a sizeable but underdefended empire. On the first image I think some of their territory has been included as belonging to the Mughals.

The two factions were at war at the time the game starts, historically until 1707.

https://i176.photobucket.com/albums/...ia_1758_AD.jpg

This is a map of the political situation in India circa 1758, it gives you an idea of how power ended up split between several different factions.

Here is an old map showing India from 1700 to 1792, more or less the period the game covers.

https://i176.photobucket.com/albums/...pherd_1923.jpg

I hope this gives everyone an idea of the (frankly confusing) political situation in the country at the time.

I understand your point concerning spam bots, but I still found the restrictions quite unnecesarry. I would have appreciated if I was at least allowed some degree of visual communication such as attaching an image.
The reason why I find this so important is that in the screenshot which I took, there is a text box attached to the cursor which says: "Maratha Confederacy (You)". I would say this indicates playability. The Maratha appear to be the small orange state in the south, whereas the Mughals would probably be the bigger green empire to the north. They might still be playable as well.

Oh, and thanks for the history lesson :)

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Originally Posted by Azlahn

I understand your point concerning spam bots, but I still found the restrictions quite unnecesarry. I would have appreciated if I was at least allowed some degree of visual communication such as attaching an image.
The reason why I find this so important is that in the screenshot which I took, there is a text box attached to the cursor which says: "Maratha Confederacy (You)". I would say this indicates playability. The Maratha appear to be the small orange state in the south, whereas the Mughals would probably be the bigger green empire to the north. They might still be playable as well.

Oh, and thanks for the history lesson :)

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No problem (assuming it was my rambling you found helpful):laugh4: If not, forget I said anything.

As for your screenshot, that would be news indeed. It would actually be somewhat of a suprise if the Maratha were playable, someyhing we havent seen yet with the factions so far confirmed. I doubt however that there will be two playable Indian factions.

Perhaps CA intend for us to play as the Maratha since the Mughals had reached their full potential around 1707. In that case we would take on the role of the underdog fighting the established power as well as outside invasion, which I think is an interesting tactical situation.

Don't worry abou the attatchment, keep on posting like you have so far and you will be promoted in no time :2thumbsup:

Marathas ain't playable, there are 11 of playable factions only one is missing, there's showed Marathas first because player plays with them and they are unlockable

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Originally Posted by GSC

Marathas ain't playable, there are 11 of playable factions only one is missing, there's showed Marathas first because player plays with them and they are unlockable

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There are no unlockable factions in Empire, as far as we know (unless you mean you can unlock them through editing files, in which case every faction is plyable).

Unlike Medieval 2, all 12 playable factions are playable from the start, and none are unlocked. This is what evidence seems to suggest anyway.

So far we have never had the Mughals confirmed, only that there will be an Indian faction. It's therefore still up in the air whether it will be the Mughals or the Maratha, until we can find evidence one way or the other.


I decided to include a quick rund own of the factions that will probably be playable, for people who haven't been keeping up with all the hard-to-find interviews and things.

Playable factions so far:

Confirmed by faction feature:

1) Great Britain
2) France
3) Spain
4) United Provinces
5) Sweden
6) Russia
7) Ottoman Empire

Strongly suggested by various evidence:

8) Prussia
9) Poland-Lithuania
10) Austria
11) Mughals/Maratha
12) U.S or possibly Portugal (depending on whether the U.S is counted as one of the 12)

Unless something drastic happens in the comoing months then it will be these 12 factions which are playable, and no others unless CA announce the ability to unlick factions (I don' think they will based on comments in interviews about the rest being unlocked by modders)

CA has said all other factions are unlockable, like in other TW series

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Originally Posted by GSC

CA has said all other factions are unlockable, like in other TW series

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Indeed, but only by modding the game. It won't be like Medieval 2 where you unlock the rest of the factions by completing the grand campaign.

No, when you conquer faction you can play with it.

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Originally Posted by GSC

No, when you conquer faction you can play with it.

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If so that is interesting info, but do you have a source? It's not that I don't belive you but I've heard exactly the opposite mentioned in a few of the interviews and previews, so I'm worried my info might be out of date if you have something new ?

Ask someone here: http://shoguntotalwar.yuku.com/forums/114, there i find all my information.

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Originally Posted by Sir Beane

Indeed, but only by modding the game. It won't be like Medieval 2 where you unlock the rest of the factions by completing the grand campaign.

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I dont know that it qualifies as 'modding', considering it basically consisted of 'copy, paste' for like, %90 of them. The only ones that required actual modding were the Timurids and Mongols...and the Papal States, sort of, since, if I remember, the game crashed if you tried to bring up the 'papal standing' screen.

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Originally Posted by Sheogorath

I dont know that it qualifies as 'modding', considering it basically consisted of 'copy, paste' for like, %90 of them. The only ones that required actual modding were the Timurids and Mongols...and the Papal States, sort of, since, if I remember, the game crashed if you tried to bring up the 'papal standing' screen.

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Since 'modding' is shorthand for 'modifying' and you have to modify the files in a way they are not intended to be then it is technically modding, even if it isn't paticularly difficult :laugh4:

The terminology doesn't really matter though, my point is still that as far as I know only 12 factions are playable and the others will not be unlocked by beating them.

If anyone has any other info then it would be great if they can share it, with a source if possible.

By the way GSC, I checked on that site you posted the link for and their info says the same thing, about 40 factions unplayable.

To be honest, as long as they put in lots of factions with their own strength and weakness.
It won't be long until I find my favorites~:cool:

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Originally Posted by Sir Beane

Since 'modding' is shorthand for 'modifying' and you have to modify the files in a way they are not intended to be then it is technically modding, even if it isn't paticularly difficult :laugh4:

The terminology doesn't really matter though, my point is still that as far as I know only 12 factions are playable and the others will not be unlocked by beating them.

If anyone has any other info then it would be great if they can share it, with a source if possible.

By the way GSC, I checked on that site you posted the link for and their info says the same thing, about 40 factions unplayable.

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I thought create tread there and ask!!! In one tread one guy found info about that.

Yes the Dutch would be nice, also I'd like to see some factions which are specifically geared more towards building an economic empire rather than brute-force.

GSC, it would be really nice if you could post a link to the thread in which you found your information. Otherwise I might think that the guy you mentioned simply lied to you. Especially since what you say contradicts all other information that I have come upon.

It doesn't matter; they could be easily made playable through copying and pasting a few lines of text.

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Originally Posted by Azlahn

GSC, it would be really nice if you could post a link to the thread in which you found your information. Otherwise I might think that the guy you mentioned simply lied to you. Especially since what you say contradicts all other information that I have come upon.

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It does indeed seem to contradict virtually everything we've read thus far. Unless and until someone from CA says otherwise (and/or a direct link to the information is provided), I think we have to assume that the other factions *won't* be unlockable by conquering them.

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Originally Posted by Karl Gustaf XII

Sweden,sweden,sweden and sweden did you know that sweden was a great power between the year of 1600 and 1801, in year of 1600 sweden went in to war against polan it was cald in sweden The Great Polish War, between the Polish king Sigismund (who was earlier king o Sweden) and the swedish king KarlXI. King Karl XI started the by attacking Lithuania who was a region of the polish kingdom. The war was later moved to Riga. After a few years King Karl XI died and the new swedish king Gustaf II Adolf took over the throne, the war ended in the battle of Gurzno. Sweden was 8000 men and Poland 7000. Sweden won the battle pretty easy with only 30 men dead and 60 men wounded. Sweden was standing as the winner and had counquerd Lithuania.
In the 16th century Sweden had one of the best armies in the world and they prooved it at the Battle Of Breitenfeld were the German Emperors army were totaly crushed. Battle Of Breitenfeld
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After the battle Sweden had counquerd Prussien in the northern Germany and had fulfield every goals they had but Gustaf II Adolf had bigger plans. The Swedish army marched down into southern Germany and sacked town after town. The 15th april in the year of 1632 the swdish army smashed into the Catholic army when they tried to cross the river Lech. After the war against germany and poland sweden had northern Germany and pieces of Poland, the entire Baltic, Finland and Norway. Swden lost many regions in Finland and Baltic in the war against Russia in the year of 1788. In the year of 1813 the swedish crown prince Karl XIV Johan declared war against Napoleon, Sweden were present at the battle of Liepzig, the battle of slaget vid Dennewitz and the battle of Grossbeeren. In the Piece in Kiel Sweden traded away Prussien aginst some norwegian regions.

Hope i gave you some Swedish history now :book:

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Most of this is true but i am just going to point out that sweden never conquered lithuania, and lithuania wasn't a territory but it's own country in union with poland, Sweden did conquer Latvia and Estonia if that is what you are thinking. Not to forget earlier in history the Polish and Lithuanian forces defeated sweden also, not sure of the numbers, but i was pretty sure P.L. was outnumbered.

There is no doubt Sweden was a great power, but yeah, that post was somewhat nationalistic and biased. :dizzy2:

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Originally Posted by Methuselah

There is no doubt Sweden was a great power, but yeah, that post was somewhat nationalistic and biased. :dizzy2:

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I am from Sweden. And that post wasnt nationalistic and biased. It was complete rubbish.

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Originally Posted by Pinxit

I am from Sweden. And that post wasnt nationalistic and biased. It was complete rubbish.

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A Swede with sense? Good sir, I salute you! :ave:

But seriously, it's rather funny, if you look up any battle of the Great Northern War that the Russian's won on Wikipedia, take a look at the 'discussion' page. There's usually a great big argument between the Russians and Swedes as to who REALLY won, the wording of the article and so on.

It may just be me, but are Swedes naturally such a prickly lot? Must be the Viking heritage! :gring:

Do Sweden and Russia have an England/France thing going on?

If so multiplayer is going to be interesting, what with both sides of the argument being able to recreate famous battles playing as their home faction. :laugh4:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Swedish_Wars

That should tell you all you need to know :winkg:

And, indeed, it should be fun to watch the Swedish and Russian clans go at it :tongueg:

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Originally Posted by Sir Beane

Do Sweden and Russia have an England/France thing going on?

If so multiplayer is going to be interesting, what with both sides of the argument being able to recreate famous battles playing as their home faction. :laugh4:

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Considering that during the battles of Narva and Poltava Sweden was outnumbered 5 to 1, it will indeed be interesting to see how this is solved. And the Russians lost the battle of Narva. I cant even imagine how much of a noob you must be to lose with such an advantage in numbers (in the game).

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Originally Posted by Sheogorath

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Swedish_Wars

That should tell you all you need to know :winkg:

And, indeed, it should be fun to watch the Swedish and Russian clans go at it :tongueg:

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Frankly, most people of the world seem to dislike Russia. But thats most likely because of USA winning the Cold War. Media have always loved to hate Russia.
Swedish people dont hate Russia because of our common wars. Why should we? We have had 200 years of peace, we have no international conflicts, we love our Scandinavian neighbours (even though they make fun of us), we are 9 million people sharing 450,000 sq km, and have an extremely high standard of living.

If Sweden had kept its empire, it might not have went so well in the end. So, thanks Russia. And besides: now we have Finland as a buffert against the Russians :idea2:

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Originally Posted by Sheogorath

A Swede with sense? Good sir, I salute you! :ave:

But seriously, it's rather funny, if you look up any battle of the Great Northern War that the Russian's won on Wikipedia, take a look at the 'discussion' page. There's usually a great big argument between the Russians and Swedes as to who REALLY won, the wording of the article and so on.

It may just be me, but are Swedes naturally such a prickly lot? Must be the Viking heritage! :gring:

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I have read those arguments between the Russians and the Swedes on Wikipedia. It seems both sides fight because of nationalistic pride. Its not limited to the articles about Russian victories. Its in the Swedish victories as well. But most of all it seems to be limited to some few "prickly" individuals, Russians _and_ Swedes.

I fail to see the connection between Vikings (="blood thirsty, rapists, plunderers, fearless warriors) and being prickly. I thought Sweden had the reputation of being an extremely low profile and pacifist country, since we apparently decided to take a nap while the rest of the world blew themselves up in WW1 and 2.

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Wow. It's almost as bad as the various fights between the Greeks and Slavs on YouTube.

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Originally Posted by Pinxit

I thought Sweden had the reputation of being an extremely low profile and pacifist country, since we apparently decided to take a nap while the rest of the world blew themselves up in WW1 and 2.

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Huh? What country are you talking about? :clown:

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Originally Posted by Methuselah

Wow. It's almost as bad as the various fights between the Greeks and Slavs on YouTube.



Huh? What country are you talking about? :clown:

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1. Oh, those I have to see.

2. Even if you outnumber me 200 to 1 you wont be able to survive my wrath in Empire if the next word coming out of your mouth is: "Switzerland". :inquisitive:


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