Nice work, Tincow. Looks like Becker's going to be seeing his fair share of action. Does defeating religious unrest gain you money like a normal army?
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Nice work, Tincow. Looks like Becker's going to be seeing his fair share of action. Does defeating religious unrest gain you money like a normal army?
Bloody hell
I'm ready to fight the Bern battle.
Can you PM me with what happened to last turn's orders and their degrees of success?
Deadline for orders for deployment in the battle of Bern is 24 hours hence.
So I'm curious.
How do you work out who the greatest general in the Reich is?
Being a little piqued by Hans having this title I'm a little miffed :laugh4:
How do you know he wasn't talking about Jan? :P
~;)
Privateerkev deserves some credit. It was his idea of returning to the Reich and recruiting a Catholic army that gave me the idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by OverKnight
I didn't have a choice. There weren't enough rebels of European origin. I tried to keep them all pretty weak, though. They're not meant to be challenging, unless your army is very small. For the (None Placed) I will spawn an enemy AI army (i.e. French) that has the same composition as the rebels. That will serve until I've got more rebels than I need.Quote:
It also looks like you brought in and enhanced rebel stacks from throughout the known world, since we have rebel desert archers in Swabia.
I'm basing the 'War of Reformation' on the Thirty Years War, which would not likely have resulted in fighting in the Crusader States (if they had still existed at that time). The whole area is Catholic, with no Lutherans, so there's no reason for religious violence. I also figured you deserved a rest since the defense of Outremer has been heroic. I will toss some more curveballs at you in the future, but Outremer has been whittled down a great deal, so I don't feel pressure to push you back any further.Quote:
Outremer was spared the Axe, but that just makes me wonder what sort of fiendishly concocted Hell will descend upon it in 1334.
I'm actually concerned that I might have over-done it in a few areas of the Reich. Franconia is having serious problems simply because they haven't really been fighting the invaders since Ansehelm died. Thus, there are stacks all over the place and the AI is finally getting serious with them. If Franconia looks like it might go extinct, I will give bonuses to the defenders to make sure they can hold on to at least one province.
No. You're not really defeating an army, you're imposing martial law on the lands. Thus, there's not really anything to loot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cecil XIX
I think its whoever has the highest overall command stars and if equal, the one with the highest amount of modifiers.Quote:
Originally Posted by AussieGiant
It could also be whoever got the highest command stars first, but not really sure.
It's in the faction summary screen:Quote:
Originally Posted by AussieGiant
https://img134.imageshack.us/img134/...verviewhb8.jpg
I guess it is based on command stars or something. If you total up those from Hans' traits, you get a pretty insane number - 18 unadjusted, rising to 23 if commanding cavalry at night.
I was simply a willing pawn who allowed his avatar to be an unknowing pawn. ^_^Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
TC did most of the work. He asked me to write the IMS message and look over his story. I knew something "bad" would happen but not really what. I did know about Jan's army though. Ah the things a player will do to get his avatar an army... :D
So OOC the praise goes to TC. IC the blame can be spread around a little but mainly goes to Jan for being the accidental catalyst. He really wasn't trying to start a religious war and had the best of intentions. But we all know what the road to hell is paved with...
Ah yes the screen econ that's clear now.
How do you determine your unadusted ratings?
Each trait description will say something like "+2 command". I just looked at the Bern generals' traits and totalled up the effects. I suspect their in-game effects are capped at the highest value - 10 - that you can see on the screen, so totalling them up as I did is just a bragging rights kind of thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by AussieGiant
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Originally Posted by econ21
Thanks for that econ.
I've made my 1330 move; will PM TC with the mundane details.
The new save is:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1330-2.zip
I'm getting a strong feeling that I've asked this question twice before, but since I can't remember an answer I'm going to ask again. Apologies if this is getting old.
How closely does Lutheranism in KOTR resemble real protestantism? Is it a legitemate theological and philosophical movment, or just the barely rational stream of anti-orthodox and anti-papal thought that it seems?
I don't think Lutheranism in KotR is as radical a departure from Roman Catholicism as it is in real life - it's mostly an anti-Byzantine, anti-Papal, pro-German nationalism movement that says the HRE doesn't need to listen to any stinkin' pope.
If it weren't for the Pope issue, I imagine that it would be a secular movement akin to the hyper-nationalist movements that defined the rise of facism in the 1920s and 30s.
I haven't given it any serious thought. It's just been a game mechanism for me. If someone would like to create a proper backstory for it, they are free to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cecil XIX
There could be a deep theological and philosophical component, although I am not sure anyone has written that side up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cecil XIX
You are right that the defining features of our Lutheranism so far have been anti-papal and anti-orthodox (or perhaps anti-Byzantine), with the two features being fused as it was unification with the Orthodox that spurred the hatred of the Papacy. Luther was pretty extreme in his denunciations of the Pope, AFAIK, but our Luther is more radical than the historical one - as he is marching with a rebel army, whereas the historical Luther tended to side with the forces of conservatism against the radicals.
The anti-Byzantine element is fictious but I got it from just substituting Byzantines for Jews in some of Luther's writings/books and so I would say it has its barely rational, like anti-semitism. However, unlike the Jews in history, the Byzantines in our game have exterminated Rome and Bologna, so I think we should keep the anti-Byzantine element as a plausible and strong feature of the movement.
In the game, we don't really have a way of introducing a non-Catholic religion, so that limits how closely our Lutheranism can resemble the historical one. Depending on how the internal power struggle plays out, I guess Lutheranism may end up being a strand within the Church - it is conceivable that we would have a Lutheran Pope.
All right, I'm taking the save to pacify Bohemia. Should have it up within an hour at the most. Just so I'm certain, this isn't an actual battle IC, but more of a way to model the difficulty and resources needed to put down the unrest, right? I don't have to take the battle stats?
FYI, will take some more pics for the 1330 library.
NN, we don't need a scheduled library update until 1340. Don't overexert yourself.
Battle fought, new save uploaded.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/KOTR1330-3.zip
Hello everyone. I'd like to join the House of Swabia as Ehrhart Ruppel, if I may. ~:cheers:
Hi Zim,
:D
If Econ approves it, you definitely picked an interesting time to become Swabian... ^^
:laugh4: Uh oh. I knew something was up when he reccommended I pick that House.Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
Welcome aboard Zim! So which of the three House of Swabias are you joining? We've got the Principality of Swabia, the Lutheran House of Swabia and the Catholic House of Swabia. :laugh4:
Should be fun.
Well, since Econ had told me that Ehrhart is the adopted son of Hans, the Duke of Swabia, I'm guessing...the Principality of Swabia?
:book: Off to read the history and Cataclysm threads to see what kind of horrible mess I've gotten myself into. ~;)
well, he was hans's protege so ud think he would be catholic, but it would be most exciting if he was principality. hed also be the highest rank that way.
Give it time and I am sure that Athawolf will make his own house of Swabia. Leroy House maybe? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by OverKnight
or maybe ruppel will make the house of ehrhart in honor of ehrhart von mahren (and himself of course)
did anyone else notice the "rebel" stack that is to represent religious unrest in Bern is headed up by a Ruppel? ^_^
He spawned outside Vienna a few years ago. I put him in Bern, since it seemed proper to put the only rebel general in the place where the War started.Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
Come join the Lutherans. We're rich, we kill Popes, and we're nationalists.
Actually, it would be most opportunistic for you to wait to declare your allegiance until the critical battle is decided. Lucky so-and-so.
dude join the peter von kastilien lutherans. we're nonpolar, we're heroes, we're contradictory
Join Bavaria. The only House where all the members get along!
Join Franconia. The only house where none of the members get along!
:D
umm, you forgot Swabia PK haha. and Franconia gets along. we're just dying. I'm afraid of how this Cataclysm and what's happening will affect Peter.
econ, forgot to put this in my Orders PM.
Since that one division isn't really being issued orders (although I didn't make it explicit in the PM), please consider my specialized orders for that one other regiment as my fifth order.
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
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Originally Posted by gibsonsg91921
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Originally Posted by TinCow
:birthday2: Woohoo! It's a buyer's market!
~;)
Actually Dassel and Wolfgang seem to get along swell. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by gibsonsg91921
Franconia has had a distinct lack of cooperation among its membership for years. Not that Jan has anything to do with that of course. :saint:
Shhhhh! Don't let he secret of the new Swabian House loose...:grin3:Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
Sorry! :embarassed:Quote:
Originally Posted by Warluster
At least I didn't tell anyone about your supersecret plans to fly over to Austria on a winged turtle and depose Duke Arnold. :2thumbsup:
Why did that just seem like the plot to a Super Mario Brothers game? o_O
Join the Principality! We have florins, sunshine, and Flemish cloth!
Oooohh...Flemish cloth...
Edit: Forgive me if this question betrays my ignorance(I'm only up to 1318 in the history thread and have only read one post on the Hümmel Rebellion) but is the Principality of Swabia sort of a separatist group?
Hummel is at war with Duke Hans's Swabian faction. Rereading his declaration I'd imagine he's at war with Dassel too, and possible the rest of the Reich.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zim
Hummel is only directly against Hans' party. Towards the rest of the Reich, including Dassel, he bears no grudge. Unless, of course, they seek to align themselves with Hans.
Something tells me Jan won't be getting a Christmas card from Hummel this year...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignoramus
What, you received one the year before? :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
I'd prefer Ruppel stays in Catholic Swabia due to his background more or less. It would be kind of odd for him to suddenly join Hümmel, overseeing Staufen and having pursued Lutherans and traitors before. Besides, he's unquestionably loyal.
I think the main plot he's been involved in so far was pursuing Peter, leading a division from the south towards Hümmel and in a battle report with Hans against rebels.
You may not want to open Hummel's card; he's been experimenting with gunpowder at Antwerp.
Ahhh, but I was hoping my general's warcry could be "For Flemish cloth!" :charge:Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
He'll just re-gift it. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ignoramus
As for Ruppel, I've always said this and I'll say it again. I'm an advocate for the player having full creative control of their avatar.
It's ok, PK. When I picked the character I sent a pm to FactionHeir asking his thoughts, since he had fleshed out the character a bit in a couple of his Hans stories. Being the new guy, I didn't want to step on the toes of someone's who's invested time like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
That doesn't mean I wouldn't neccessarily take it in a direction he disliked, but I still value his input highly.
P.S. if you missed it because you were writing the reply while I posted, the last post in the prior page contains a warcry option for my general if he goes that way.
Welcome on board, Zim!
As I've just said to you privately by PM, you can take Ehrhart in any direction you like. To keep things fair, I suggest that this turn TinCow just move Ehrhart to a settlement of whichever side you choose to align with. Then next turn, you will get options just like everyone else. It's TC's call, though.
And a worthy warcry it is... :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zim
:yes: Glad you agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
I think that unless FactionHeir strongly objects, I'd like to take my character in the direction I pmed him about(not sure if I should say which yet). I have an idea for a story post detailing the decision, and should get it posted within the day.
Interesting story, Ignoramus. Looking at our citadels last night, I noticed that we seem behind the times in terms of being able to recruiting firearms (although I confess I don't know what the pre-requisites are). Maybe they are a casualty of the cataclysm?
You can only recruit Handgunners and Arquebusiers in cities, not castles. As we haven't bothered to build the best militia buildings(due to getting superior soldiers from castles), we haven't been able to hire them.
We've lost some of the most advanced recruiting centers, Bran for example, and a lot of the gunpowder buildings have been destroyed in the cities.
I do know that when I was Chancellor I emphasized the build queues that favored economic development. I considered gunpowder units extraneous. Recent events have convinced me of the utility of Gunpowder Artillery, but I still consider Gunpowder infantry or cav more of a novelty then actually effective. I was building a Royal Arsenal at Adana, but that was one of the first casualties of the Cataclysm.
HRE also has one of the least-interesting gunpowder infantry line-ups.
The HRE infantry becomes one of the mundane armies in the later era of the game.
On the second cup of java and late start today I will take the new save now.
Here is the newest save:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1330-5.zip
Rebels cleared out interesting fight for Rebels. I wasn't drinking my coffee while I was clicking units around looking for a point of attack. Once the Captain went down it was over.
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Glad to hear you are joining Zim :2thumbsup: . If you ever need help from the North feel free to give Dieter a call ~;)
Update: Rather than take control of Ehrhart Ruppel, a man into which much fleshing out of character has been devoted, I am taking control of Wilhelm von Noname, a recruitable general. ~:cheers:
P.S. I am aware von Nowhere would make slightly more sense, but I didn't like the sound as much. ~;p
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Originally Posted by Zim
Welcome Zim.
I would say that is a better idea. It gives you a fresh start on things...and there are a few things to work out before getting lock in :juggle2:
Thanks for the welcome, Aussie Giant. I thought it would be better as well, and the powers that be were kind enough to allow to do it.
I caught up on the last thirty years of Imperial history, and I still don't know just how many sides there are and who's on which! :dizzy2:
Thanks, EF, I think I'll have to go back through the threads to figure out who that is. Still a bit dizzy from all the reading last night.
Don't worry about it too much. I've been playing since day 1 and I'm not even sure of exactly who is on which side at the moment. You've jumped in at easily the most confusing time in the game. If you have any questions about past or current events, feel free to ask them in here and we'll attempt to answer them as best we can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zim
Thanks for the offer, I make have to take hyou guys up on it a bit often while I get my bearings. I have almost completed a background story to introduce my character. After it's finished should I send it to you?
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Originally Posted by TinCow
No need to send it to me. You can just post it in the Stories thread. Unless your story involves someone else's character (beyond talking about them from an outside perspective), you don't need anyone's approval to write it. You are entirely in control of your own character and his background/beliefs.
Zim,
This game has got to be one of the most entertaining ever for me.
I'd take your time and ask a million questions here in the OOC thread.
There will of course be about 10 different answers but you can work out what you want to take away from the opinions to form your own.
Should be interesting to see which way you head...just don't lose it in the process :2thumbsup:
In that case, I might as well start now.
I think I have a handle on things in Swabia, but I'm confused about the rest of the Duchies. It is kind of every Duchy for itself or does Kaiser Elberhard still maintain effective control?
More or less. During the cataclysm, resources are quite limited (within Swabia anyway. The other Dukes are wealthy beyond reason, but they sack their own cities) so everyone tries to keep to their own enemies.
There have been exceptions though, like Lothar meddling in Swabian affairs and Peter helping at Metz. After the cataclysm is over, chances are everyone will focus their attention on the whole again and war between the duchies.
Elberhard is emperor and has some powers in the diet, but his overall voting power is low, mainly due to his Lewd trait. I imagine if he starts using assassins/spies though, he may well have higher influence one day :grin:
That question would get you 20 different answers... :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zim
I guess the best answer to your question would be "yes" :D
Sounds like I had a better handle on the situation than I thought, since that's the impression I had. :beam:
Are the Swabian Lutherans the only avatar driven partisans in the religious conflict in the Empire?
As far as religious conflict goes, yes, the Swabian Lutherans are it.
There is other conflict (Hummel and Becker come to mind) but that is strictly political.
Originally the Dassel/Hans feud was political too but then stuff happened.
I would go so far as to say that right now Elberhard has no control over anything beyond his own army. That will change when 1340 comes, though, and he will resume the usual role of Emperor with all the power that entails. Whether he is a strong Emperor or a weak Emperor will depend entirely on the situation at the end of the cataclysm.
Also, ignore that blatant anti-FrancoAustraVarian propaganda from FactionHeir. None of the Dukes of Franconia, Austria, or Bavaria have ever sacked one of their own settlements. One Franconian Count and one Austrian Count have done that to their own lands, but no Dukes and no Bavarians at all. Hans is chronically poor because he doesn't control many territories. Also, while each House has generally been on its own during the cataclysm, there have been some exceptions. Bavaria and Franconia have aided Austria. Edmund Becker (Austrian rebel) has aided Franconia. Franconia has aided the Swabian loyalists. Dietrich von Dassel (Swabian rebel) has aided Bavaria. Bavaria has aided Dietrich von Dassel (Swabian rebel). Jan von Hamburg and Elberhard (both hailing from Outremer recently) have aided the Swabian loyalists.
Interesting. :yes:
I have plenty more questions, but I have to run an errand with the wife right now. Thank you for all the help.
In normal times, I think our HRE is a constitutional monarchy, not a million miles from the UK system. The Kaiser does not effectively control anything much. He's mainly a figurehead. The Chancellor is the one who effectively controls things, although he is elected by the Diet and constrained by its edicts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zim
In the cataclysm, the Diet has been suspended and there is no Chancellor. This means that there is no centralised control over anything. Each Duchy is for itself and potentially each Elector too - hence the troubles in Swabia.
You can get some idea of avatars' religious sympathies here:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zim
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=92421
Lutherans formed the largest grouping, by a whisker. Luther attracted the Electors who were more radical opponents of Siegfried's push for unification with the Byzantine. These included Hummel and Peter von Kastilien, the current Duke of Franconia. With the unification issue dead, Lutheranism no longer seems a strong motivator for most. The stories about Fritz von Kastilien did portray a driven Lutheran - albeit a distinctly ungodly one.
The deadline has expired and orders have NOT been received from:
Athalwolf von Salza (Warluster)
Wolfgang Hümmel (Ignoramus)- Orders received.
Dieter Bresch (Elite Ferret)- Orders received.
Lorenz Zirn (Roadkill)
Friedrich Karolinger (Warmaster Horus) - Temporarily Absent, he notified us in advance. Thus, this is not an issue. Included on the list only for my own future memory.
I understand that this turn will be longer than usual due to the Battle for Bern. I will thus continue to accept orders for the near future. However, I am getting annoyed at the sluggish response over the last two turns. I will not hold the game up for people who do not submit orders.
Also, whoever wins the Battle for Bern will have an opportunity to pacify one province per Elector after the battle. This applies to Dietrich von Dassel (GeneralHankerchief), Hans (FactionHeir), and Jan von Hamburg (Privateerkev).
Pending Battles:
Save as of 6:45EST, Nov. 14th: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1330-7.zip
Péter von Kastilien (gibsonsg91921):
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Fritz von Kastilien (Tamur):
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Fredericus Erlach (Stuperman):
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Arnold (AussieGiant):
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Good, that actually explains a lot to someone like me who studied for a Political Science degree. :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
The link looks quite useful as well, I'll check it out asap.