Thank you, Joe Monks, your insight astounds me.
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Thank you, Joe Monks, your insight astounds me.
I haven't read the last 3 pages yet, I'll get to that after I post this. First of all, for GH's vote on me here.
As I explained later, I had missed the part where the Director was immune to night killing. It wasn't until I looked it up later after someone mentioned something about it that I realised they would be protected and changed my selection to Kommodus. I have a track record of missing rules and things like that which I am sure you can look up if you want to. I am intrigued as to why you only brought it up now instead of when you posted a few posts after me. No suspicion here, just curious.
I also thought I would add something to this post by Andres. I would think that pever was responsible for protecting Beefy, if he had any protection at all. It is well known that they are friends outside of the Org. However, it is entirely likely that Beefy can't be night killed, in which case we should keep around because I don't believe that any of the mafia roles would have that. It just doesn't seem normal for Capo, where the Town is empowered at night as well as during the day.
I'm personally wondering what happened to the mafia families. There should have been a whole host of mafia groups and so far only one, maybe two attempted a night killing.
Vote:Abstain
Ive been to out of the loop for this rounf to make a good vote. it might be changed if I get the time to read the last three pages.
Where's Kommodus? And what do you think about the current events?
The protection group on beefy did not succeeed.
Its pevergreen please.
My intentions are clear. The kill group was clearly made solely for the protection credit, which was not given.
Well if people are still in doubt, here is why, in my opinion, Glenn should be the one to go:
Post 332
This doesn't help anyone. It sets him up as a target for Sigurd's attack and does not reveal anything to the town. Yet still, as a target, he must know he can be protected from any possible retribution coming back. Perhaps he has a Luca waiting for him in protection?Quote:
Now, I have some dangerous information regarding you, Fafnesbane, it isn't much, but it involves one of your recruiters and his two protection groups, Alpha and Beta.
An unlikely situation. Surely a more likely one would be a townie protection group? His enemies would much rather protect their own Don or someone else with their Luca(s), I am sure.Quote:
I think, regarding my own protection, that it was either enemies setting me up to be important, (Though if my enemies protected me - who is there to attack me?), or I have been mistaken for a greater pro-townie role.
Post 336
In one of those two posts Sigurd asked him a question about his previous post. Note the deflection and refusal to answer the question. Why is he keeping information back from the town?Quote:
Hmmm.. Note the two very lean, dismissive posts above me.
Though I doubt they are connected.
Post 345
Quite possibly the most scummy post he has made. The first line tells us that he does not care about furthering the town's cause. Why is his life more important than any one of ours, especially if, as he says in the second line "alot of nasty people are going to hang." Surely that means it is a victory for everyone? As for the third line he again sets himself up as a target for someone else.Quote:
I'm innocent, but it doesn't matter if I'm innocent or not, it's my life I'm concerned about.
However, if I say what I know.. and I know alot.. and people believe me, then alot of nasty people are going to hang.
And I will die, won't I Stranger?
Post 358
At this point it makes it sound as if he has a night role similar to a Detective, whereas, from what we known from TruePraetorian he probably knows something about The Stranger from his night protection attempt offer.Quote:
What do I have to lose?
The possibility of gaining more information, and having a more productive role in the game - in other words, life!
Perhaps something useful from him. If we somehow confirm that he is correct, we must ask ourselves - what did The Stranger himself do last night?Quote:
Protection Group Alpha, recruited by Stranger.
Glenn, Dutch_Guy, TruePraetorian
Protection Group Beta, recruited by - Stranger?
Drisos, Moros, Andres
We know for a fact that a lot of people have being recruiting groups and being recruited into them and many people just simply do it to help the town. However, he claims that just because he got his PM early it is well organised. This seems unlikely because the mafia wouldn't have had the time to organise something like this.Quote:
Step forward, protectees, what was the reason for being recruited into this?
Considering I received my recruitment PM about one hour after game start, this all seemed too organised to be township.
Another interesting thing is a PM from TS that he posts:
I'm not sure what to think of it. It seems genuine to me... However, I also think that strangely this could conceivably be a way to show TS's innocence. I doubt that TS would come forward so obviously threatening if he were in the Mafia - that is a WIFOM issue though.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger (supposedly)
Vote: Glenn
vote: glenn - he hasn't even tried the 'a doctor saved me' defense, which is the only possible defense for being saved in the way he was.
CR
Unvote:Abstain
Vote:Glenn
the combination of CA and CR's posts have done two fold for me
a.) save me the trouble of reading 3 pages of accusations
B.) convinced me of the true guilt of Glenn who i already had suspcions of
The Stranger has been acting pretty out of wack to me. I don't know why more people dont notice, but he has been incredibly defense when no one even accuses him of anything really.
True Preatorians post also really convinced me that there is definetly something fishy with Stranger.
I vote The Stranger
Do I smell bandwagon?
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Vote: molonthegreat
Not a single post in here. What's your thought?
We have 3 sources of information: this thread, the Rules of Play thread, and PM's.
I give the most weight to the info provided by the game-meister; it's the most likely to be undisputeably true, if (necessarily) sketchy. Next, I regard stuff in this thread as 50-50 speculation. Finally, PM's seem mostly unreliable to me in this game setting, until trust is built up later in the game.
So, looking at the night1 write-up:
-Beefy187's attempted snuff story is just odd - 4 malfunctioning weapons, twice? Wow. Sabotage, obviously, but by whom? A doctor or surgeon? If pevergreen's reveal is believed, he sent the hit team.
-Drisos' episode alludes to his preference for working alone, so maybe he's one of those "secret" roles
.Quote:
A Serial Killer who took violent objection to anyone voting for them to be lynched; A Rogue Detective who could investigate and then act as a vigilante; and The Wolf, who was a special “investigation spoofer” for the mafia
One of his killers is described as having a false asian accent (and says "Sayonara, Drisos"), probably hinting that the killer is one of Drisos' co-posters in the Shogun:TW forums (Sasaki Kojiro?). The 'ballet slippers' have me stumped, but sound like a sign of a mafia whack, along with their undetectable entry and escape.
-Glenn's vignette has all the signs of a Don being protected by his Luca, (why would a doctor masquerade as a pretzel guy with a motorized, armored cart?) pursued by a rival Don's hit team.
-Xdeathfire's story points up to a Serial Killer attempted hit (which removes one option of 'secret role' from Drisos speculation). His running to the police precinct for protection leads one to believe he's likely some kinda pro-townie role.
So,
Vote:Glenn
16 glenn(kamikhaan,xehh2,Ichigo,Sigurd,Sasaki,Big King Sanctaphrax,Kagemusha, Sarathos, Hannibalbarc,pevergreen,Lt. Pinard,Brave Sir Robin,Xiahou,Rythmic, Joe Monks, Kukri )
4 pevergreen(andres,tincow,little grizzly)
2 Beefy(shlin, pannonian)
2 sigurd(prole, Husar)
2 The Stranger (Craterus, True Praetorian,)
1 CountArach(GH)
1 norwegian nerd(omanes)
2 abstain (norwegian nerd, Tiberius of the Drake)
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19 glenn(kamikhaan,xehh2,Ichigo,Sigurd,Sasaki,Big King Sanctaphrax,Kagemusha, Sarathos, Hannibalbarc,pevergreen,Lt. Pinard,Brave Sir Robin,Xiahou,Rythmic, Joe Monks, Kukri, Count Arach,Crazed Rabbit,Tiberius of the Drake )
4 pevergreen(andres,tincow,little grizzly)
2 Beefy(shlin, pannonian)
1 CountArach(GH)
1 norwegian nerd(omanes)
2 sigurd(prole, Husar)
3 The Stranger (Craterus, True Praetorian,scottishranger)
1 abstain (norwegian nerd,)
1 molonthegreat (Tran)
I think this can be ruled out by the description. Xdeathfire wasn't saved, the lone attacker failed. Which means some killing party didn't have adequate numbers.Quote:
-Xdeathfire's story points up to a Serial Killer attempted hit (which removes one option of 'secret role' from Drisos speculation). His running to the police precinct for protection leads one to believe he's likely some kinda pro-townie role.
I find it extremely interesting. Initially I thought he was a special role, then my theory was that he was in the mafia and one of his buddies was on the attacking group and since usually mafia can't kill their partners Seamus wrote in a sabotage. However:Quote:
-Beefy187's attempted snuff story is just odd - 4 malfunctioning weapons, twice? Wow. Sabotage, obviously, but by whom? A doctor or surgeon? If pevergreen's reveal is believed, he sent the hit team.
After I reread it, they say it couldn't have been tampered with. So I think we can throw out that theory. Seems there is some supernatural explanation.Quote:
Stunningly, all 4 freshly-loaded weapons jammed and failed to fire again. The gunmen were shocked with disbelief. No one could have tampered with the weapons and all of the ammo had been checked by hand and meticulously loaded into the clips – yet none of the weapons got off a round.
Vote: Sigurd Fafnesbane
For some reason my mind is connecting Sigurd with ballet slippers.
Glenn sounds like a good lynch for today but we should keep dicussion going about other suspects. I think that Pevergreen's claim of wiseguy status can be believed. The only question is whether he is under the aegis of a mafioso or is he trying to turn townie.
Ooooo. Wrath of God, so early?Quote:
Seems there is some supernatural explanation.
I doubt it. It seemed more like a failed townie group to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
It might well have been a townie group (Pever's?), but seeing as there were four of them there it seems unlikely it failed due to lack of numbers. I think Sasaki's right, it seems like beefy has some kind of special role.
Not failed. It was a failed protection from:
Tincow
Lord Winter
Sasaki Kojiro
Haudegen
Remember the red text? :yes:
Unvote: Glenn
Vote: The Stranger
Every body has their eye's on Glenn, and it looks like he's going to be lynched. But, what True Praetorian has brought to light really makes The Stranger look out of line, not 100% scummy, but not 100% clean either. Just want to say I'm watching you TS.
2 abstain (norwegian nerd, Tiberius of the Drake)
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18 glenn(kamikhaan,xehh2,Ichigo,Sigurd,Sasaki,Big King Sanctaphrax,Kagemusha, Sarathos, Hannibalbarc,pevergreen,Lt. Pinard,Brave Sir Robin,Xiahou,, Joe Monks, Kukri, Count Arach,Crazed Rabbit,Tiberius of the Drake )
4 pevergreen(andres,tincow,little grizzly)
2 Beefy(shlin, pannonian)
1 CountArach(GH)
1 norwegian nerd(omanes)
2 sigurd(prole, Husar)
4 The Stranger (Craterus, True Praetorian,scottishranger,Rythmic)
1 abstain (norwegian nerd,)
1 molonthegreat (Tran)
I thought it was a successful protection. I DID submit my orders exactly as I said. I did not go back on my word. So, even if Sasaki backed out, one of the other two would have had to as well, and I saw no indication of that. It seems to me to be a properly organized hit and a properly organized protection, albeit without the obvious cues in the story.Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
That, of course, assumes that the stories aren't that blatantly obvious. If they usually are, then my belief is of course invalid.
Something seems fishy about Sasaki, but I can't quite put my finger on it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rythmic
Ichanged my vote to vote for Glenn
4 pevergreen(andres,tincow,little grizzly)
so are little and grizzly voting for pevergreen or am i just really bad at math ?
2 people back out. I dont know for sure who.
Since it appears to have been skipped over, i'd like to quote norwegian nerd's earlier post of a pm from his "buddy".
I'm wondering whether or not we should pursue this. If this person is telling the truth and has a pro-town role, we could end up shooting ourselves in the foot.Quote:
Originally Posted by norwegian nerd
LordWinter, Haudegan, and I decided to protect pannonian instead. I don't think LordWinter got his pm in on time.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
NN was part of a group i co-ordinated last night.
So if thats true, why didnt you tell me? TinCow could have been killed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
What I find most interesting in that PM is "I am forbidden from revealing norwegian nerd's role." I can't think why, except for the obvious thing that they aren't going to reveal.
Also the use of the use of the word "daft" perhaps points to someone British or of British decent.
Count Aracticus, if you haven't read the last three pages, how can you claim I'm withholding information?
I thought I could clarify I wasn't withholding information by giving the public two pages of it.
Your ignorance, and the like ignorance, are going to ensure my death was in vain.
19 votes!
I can only hope someone listened to what I said, because I gave away a far sight more than anyone else, and if you go pack through the pages here - there are some telltale signs that the people I mention are linked.
There are good people out there I have met, I want those people to pursue this!
Link me to this information.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Here is the information, I simply glued the two posts together.
It won't save me, but it will point the finger at the right people.
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It is my second, my first was Fimbulwinter, which started 3 days ago..
Generally, everyone attempts self preservation in a Mafia game - you can't be part of a victory if you are dead.
So that is a terrible excuse for lynching someone.
Next, the main excuse is that I was either protected by a Luca, or a Doctor, and seeing as a Doctor still doesn't prove my innocence, but a Luca would prove my guilt.
How is that rational if you don't know who protected me in any case?
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In response to 10 votes, I only have a limited time to play this game, and if I can spend the very first few turns exposing a Mafia family, then I've succeeded in my own part.
I am glad TruePraetorian came forward, he was very suspicious of me when I sent both him and Dutch_Guy PMs to ensure I wasn't being fooled.
As for Pevergreen, there was strong evidence that he, Pannonian and Beefy187 were connected.
When Woad&Fangs sent out his letter asking for a protection group, he sent it to Beefy187, but not to Pannonian or Pevergreen of course.
Beefy187 refused. Makayane can confirm who the letter was sent to.
Beefy then suggested to me it would be a good idea to infiltrate Pevergreen's group to find out what was occuring, and volunteered himself very quickly.
I did not trust this, I asked Pannonian in a letter to tell me what was going on between him and Pevergreen or else he would attract my distrust.
He never responded.
Pevergreen responded by posting my PM, which shows how he intended to kill W&F first - note how he has subtly tried to lynch him.
I think both Woad&Fangs are innocent, however I think they both have at least tried to recruit a large amount of people, for themselves or for the Mafia.
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Notice also how Sigurd first dismissed complaints against himself and Stranger, then began pushing against both Stranger and Louis VI when I mentioned the latter.
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Hope to god someone takes this seriously and acts on it, publicly or not..
I've done a lot of studying in the background during my Day 1, Night 1 silence..
I believe Sasaki is innocent.
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What do I have to lose?
The possibility of gaining more information, and having a more productive role in the game - in other words, life!
I am unsure of some things, but I know names that can come forward and set things perfectly.
Protection Group Alpha, recruited by Stranger.
Glenn, Dutch_Guy, TruePraetorian
Protection Group Beta, recruited by - Stranger?
Drisos, Moros, Andres
Alpha protected Louis VI the Fat.
Beta protected Sigurd Fafnesbane.
Step forward, protectees, what was the reason for being recruited into this?
Considering I received my recruitment PM about one hour after game start, this all seemed too organised to be township.
You all must of realised also, if we can all give some evidence on this we can put this little Mafia away - and only one of us will die, myself. How romantic.
I have to go, this is a busy day for me, (Actually), so this is a quick reply.
For that reason I can't add this PM in a quote - but what difference does that make? The difference is wether you believe me or not.
A PM from Stranger recently:
for a person with so much info... you know awefully little... tell me something you know and I don't before ill be putting a bit of pressure on you...
I did not handle by sigurd... hes not my boss... but if you do not start telling me stuff you end up dead... you might as well tell me stuff that can save you so i can vouch for your innocense... this is not the way you to end CDTC... not this early
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Glenn had always been a bit excitable, and with the prospect of having to vote to lynch somebody, his heart was racing and he had trouble staying still. <<I need a bracer, just to calm my nerves a bit,>> he thought, and began to walk up the street towards the Hotel Abbatoir and Fatlington’s poshest bar.
His walk there was anything but relaxing, with Glenn spinning at every stray sound or voice that seemed out of place. Finally, he was steps away from the hotel’s entrance when four dark figures stood up from the expensively landscaped bushes surrounding the hotel’s small entryway garden and flagpole – and all of them had tommy guns.
In the second before the gunmen opened fire, a nearby street pretzel vendor made two quick steps toward Glenn, lifted him bodily and flung him into the open bin of the pretzel cart. The gunman paused a moment, stunned by this unexpected event, as the carter slammed the cart’s lid shut and started rolling the cart toward the hotel doors. Then they opened fire.
Round after round from their submachine guns slammed into the cart but the cart was apparently both motorized and heavily armored and rolled itself through the doors of the Abbatoir and directly into the bar where it crashed up against the bar itself. The doorman was badly wounded as he accidentally came under fire from the gunmen as they kept tracking the cart with their weapons ratcheting out rounds. None of them focused any rounds on the carter, however, who took the opportunity to dropp into the driver’s seat of a cab waiting at the hotel front and speed off. With sirens blaring and witnesses beginning to look at the racket, the gunmen gave up their efforts and faded back into the sweltering darkness.
It took a bit of effort to extract a stunned Glenn from cart, stained with mustard and freshly rolled in salt, but Glenn was alive and more-or-less well because someone -- or several? – had been there to help. He never did get that drink.
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Also, here is my attack for reference - note that Seamus said I may of been protected by several, and that the doctor did not disguise himself as an iron cart.. I imagine that would be very difficult.
Note someone named the Hotel, "Abbatoir", an obvious attempt to frame Beefy.
I was also heading towards the poshest place in Fatlington, I like this, because it suggests I am better than everyone else.
Or maybe it is suggesting I'm an insolent, arrogant prick.
Either way, I'm going to hang..
"I feel so slender in the moooonlight, on Honoluuulu bay.."
Even if your information leads to the killing of some Mafiosi then it won't matter because we still think you are one as well. Just a different family.
Capo uses a "first past the post" system when the voting time deadline has been reached, so no set number is required. most votes = lynch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hannibalbarc
A tie is adjudicated by the Director as they see fit, lynching none, one, some or all of those who are part of the tie.
@Glenn
The Hotel Abbatoir featured in Capo I as well and is my invention.
Oh yes! In future rounds I feel the town should make use of the double lynch option. Vigilante groups should be abandoned until later in the game--it's important for detective results to be accurate.
An excellent point CountArach, we must not forget that there are multiple familysQuote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
vote: Glenn
Hahaha, woops, better change that tally:Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
18 Glenn(kamikhaan,xehh2,Ichigo,Sigurd,Sasaki,Big King Sanctaphrax,Kagemusha, Sarathos, Hannibalbarc,pevergreen,Lt. Pinard,Brave Sir Robin,Xiahou,, Joe Monks, Kukri, Count Arach,Crazed Rabbit,Tiberius of the Drake)
3 pevergreen(andres,tincow,LittleGrizzly)
2 Beefy(shlin, pannonian)
1 CountArach(GH)
1 norwegian nerd(omanes)
2 sigurd(prole, Husar)
4 The Stranger (Craterus, True Praetorian,scottishranger,Rythmic)
1 abstain (norwegian nerd)
1 molonthegreat (Tran)
Wow that is a lot of reading!:book:
Some good points raised but I nothing is clear. I will use my first vote like other first rounds and abstain.
Please remember, I am the other NN.
What attracted my distrust to Pannonian?
At the same time W&F asked me about the protection group, I PMed Pannonian to ask him if we could try and help each other determine correct speculation, even if we could stay neutral in doing so.
I did this because he was being rational in thread, and because he was not blatantly attacking me.
I mentioned in the PM I was asked to join a protection group, (Or Doctor group as he called it), with Woad&Fangs.
Pannonian then returned two PMs very quickly, asking two times if Woad&Fangs and myself would like to help him protect Pevergreen.
Pannonian knew of the grudge - I told him.
Before I could even ask Woad&Fangs what was going on, he PMed me saying, "Don't tell anyone else about the protector group" and then he was offline for a long time - hence his absence in replying to everyone's demands.
At the same time as this PM, Pevergreen sent me a PM, though I had neither talked to him or suggested him in thread, saying that Woad's plot to kill him would not last.
He quoted this PM himself some pages back, when he tried to make Woad seem guilty.
I asked Pannonian why he would tell Pevergreen if I hadn't even given he himself my trust, and our conversation quickly died away..
I'm not yet convinced of anyone's guilt, so I'll Vote: Abstain this round.
Wrong tab...
I'm here...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
Wrong thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
Awwww... Come on BovineFace!
If you vote for me then I'll have twenty votes!
But then, I could have a role that requires twenty votes, and the twentieth voter will automatically die.
Why would I say something like that?
Have I something to hide?
Am I withholding something?
Townies don't withhold things..
If I'm withholding something, and Townies don't withhold things, then how can I be a townie?
I think Glenn is weird, his writing style is not up front and requires a deal of insight to read at times - also, he has been very active and enthusiastic, and alot of people have put his name in bold writing.
Wait.. alot of people have put his name in bold writing.. that's enough for me.
Vote: Glenn Because everyone else did, and I think he is a little too eccentric to be found on a internet forum.
Oh, by the way, I kept Woad&Fangs Doctor Group PM - it is the same as Pevergreen posted, but he had deleted the names inside the message.
Woad&Fangs notified all recipients that the others were;
Beefy
Makanyane
Glenn
Sarathos
taka
Did any of these people agree to join with woad?
Looks like it'd be a bit pointless for me to vote at this stage, so:
Vote: Abstain
The thread got away from me a bit; I'll review when I have more time, but for now I'll ask this question in case someone said it and I missed it: has anyone stepped forward to acknowledge protecting Glenn?
Anyway, Glenn: how would you prefer to die? Your options are:
1. Commit seppuku and die in an honorable (albeit painful) way.
2. Eat a scrumptious meal, and wash it down with a glass of wine laced with strychnine.
3. Strapped to a chair along with a block of TNT. Quickest method I could think of.
I'd like to get in a ring with any one of you, along with their non-firearm weapon of choice, and mine - my beautiful Swiss Pattern Bayonet.
Not that I am aware of - that is why we are considering a Luca quite probable.Quote:
has anyone stepped forward to acknowledge protecting Glenn?
And Kommo - If you do not wish to accept Glenn's challenge, I shall.
"There's something tender in the moooonlight, on Honoluuuuooolu Bay.."
On a less gameplay, suspicion orientated note - I am disappointed there aren't a great amount of people taking part here.
Sure, there are probably a great many who are simpling PMing and watching, look how many small time crooks came in to vote their lynch on me, only to disappear..
But that still leaves an estimate of about 40 players inactive....
Actually less than 10 people haven't posted. It is past midnight in the US and early morning elsewhere, so they will post eventually.
Vote: Abstain.
Don't have time to read all these shenanigans.
Whether we all did or none of us did is really no consellation because your still going to be lynched. And the whole 'get others before you die' isnt really working. For one Beefy got attacked so I think thats him out, and two you said it was a pm about a doctor group. Now as far as role changes go we would probably all have to be town to agree. Unless you want to get some town lynched I don't know why this is of any significance, other than two your mafia buddies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Your downfall is at hand Glenn, pleading your way out will only harshen the punishment.
Really? I'm sorry - I didn't realise.. I thought there must be a great number because I was expecting upwards of 6 killings, 12 if everyone started butchering.
There were many protections occurring then.. or everyone was very tired!
Why do you think I'm pleading Sarathos?
I've spent an hour or so today reading my name over and over again, I know I'm lynched - that doesn't mean you can't pay attention to what I say.
.. What do you mean harshen the punishment? Are you going to kill me in another Mafia game too? Or just twice in this one?
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Who else here despises the group of people who are abstaining because they can't be bothered to pay attention and play the game?
You may as well be inactive.
Even worse are the ones who won't read any of the arguments of anyone, yet still think they have sufficient evidence to kill someone.
not me, not convinced by story yet I'm afraid, though at least that confirmed that list was same as on the pm I got sent (I'd wondered about point of putting it there and if the list might actually have been different according to who it was sent to). I'm not voting on lynch till later today to see if any more info comes out of the thread. Though I do think Glenn probably needs to go, but also .....Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
FoS: pevergreen - sorry but an admitted wise guy going all out to recruit a bunch of separate groups who you'd like to trust you completely and operate in the dark from each other, hmmmm.
FoS: woad&fangs - that whole first pm smells so badly of a deliberate ploy. Unless every one else thinks he's such a bad player as to indulge his grudge by making it public to those he pm'd and later in thread. All he's actually done is make it least likely that pevergreen would be attacked by vigilantes (no valid game reason given - when he could easily have tried to make up something he 'knew' about pever's role) and he also handed pevergreen the perfect excuse to get a protection group guarding him on a plate....
So is w&f that bad a player? Or is the grudge between them really so bad it would overrule the desire to win if chance put them in same family - its so perfect cover.....?
.....only trouble is now I think I suspect everybody, GAH!
a couple of people have hinted at the idea of getting multiple lynches by getting a tied vote, does anyone think that is worth going for, when we seem to have quite a few dubious characters around who may have protection from vigilante action at night? It would put the final decision down to the director who could decide to let both / all off, which could be a draw back if he's a wrongun, but that would also force him to show his hand..........
Hey, I ought to do an apology. Hadn't properly read the rules, have looked more into the 'dead' stuff now, and seems what I posted was inappropriate at that stage after my death. Sorry! Should've read the rules properly beforehand :(
@everyone who is accusing me of not revealing names to others linked through me.
Everyone who turned up now has a full list of everyone that I co-ordinated last night.
Can you people not see a bandwagon when it shows up? There are a lot of special roles that we know nothing about. Maybe Glenn has a special ability that gives him a better chance to survive. Maybe a doctor protected him. Why would that doctor come out? They'd only be a target for the mafia.
Let's not have the town go around doing the mob's work. When we kill people let's do it with firm knowledge. Let us not crown some Don king of Fatlington.
Glenn 34
The Stranger 32
Sasaki Kojiro 27
Ichigo 26
Andres 21
pevergreen 20
Pannonian 19
Moros 17
Sigurd Fafnesbane 16
Drisos 15
GeneralHankerchief 14
CountArach 14
norwegian nerd 12
Seamus Fermanagh 10
Omanes Alexandrapolites 8
Kagemusha 8
scottishranger 7
Husar 7
KukriKhan 6
Sarathos 6
Zorg 6
Craterus 6
Louis VI the Fat 6
Chimpyang 5
Tiberius of the Drake 5
RoadKill 5
Big King Sanctaphrax 5
woad&fangs 5
TinCow 4
Dutch_guy 4
Twilightblade 4
Myrddraal 4
Rythmic 4
TruePraetorian 4
kamikhaan 4
Brave_Sir_Robin 4
Xdeathfire 3
Xehh II 3
Elite Ferret 3
Joe Monks 3
Charge 3
Hannibalbarc 3
LittleGrizzly 3
Proletariat 3
Kommodus 2
Draco Leman 2
Northnovas 2
Makanyane 2
shlin28 2
Lt. Pinard 2
Crazed Rabbit 2
Tran 2
ajaxfetish 2
Alexander the Pretty Good 2
Xiahou 2
Evil_Maniac From Mars 2
Leet Eriksson 1
johnhughthom 1
Hiji 1
Warmaster Horus 1
gibsonsg91921 1
Motep 1
Caeser The III 1
taka 1
Cowhead418 1
Warluster 1
FactionHeir 1
Beefy187 1
Lord Winter 1
Caius 1
Caius, CR, Shin are not posting enough. 1 or 2 posts each. Normally they have mid range.
Glenn 34
The Stranger 32
Sasaki Kojiro 27
Ichigo 26
Andres 21
pevergreen 20
Nothing that odd in the top range. Im just not winning yet!
Rules for the dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rules
Wow, just wow.... That took me more than an hour to read through. Finnally done though.
Alot has been said, and being out of timezone as usual I guess the best thing for me to do is give my oppinions on who looks guilty. One of the advantages of this is I read it all in one sitting and thus see the trends developing a little more clearly.
In my mind at the moment there is a lot of very scummy behaviour out there, and quite a few lynchable targets. I'll go through who I think looks suspicious:
Norwegian - I don't buy that post, it didn't sound legitamate to me, and he still hasn't revealed. That said however, I think lynching him now isn't really the best idea as there are more obvious and cunning players who I belive to be more dangerous. I will be keeping my eye on him though.
W&f - Just placing him here because my suspicion from before lasts. He hasn't done anything to relieve it and seems to me to just be waiting for his name to be forgotten.
Pevergreen - I still don't trust him at all. I find his actions very suspicious and his posts never seem to be of any great use to the game other than to defend himself. I have yet to see any good arguments out of him, esspecialy for an self acclaimed townie leader.
Glenn - I'm not sure whether it was a luca or a doctor, I don't think we can tell. His recent bursts of information I will be going over in my head and keeping in mind, with a grain of salt of couse, but it is obvious that he will be lynched today unless something amazingly shocking comes to light, so any speculations I might make (and really I can't think of anything which hasn't already been said) would be moot.
The Stranger - I was suspicious of him before, but the information we are hearing about him now in my mind seems to confirm his guilt (although I await what extra information we can gain). His attempts to recruit a group just seem to condem him more.
Sigrud - I'm really not sure. My gut instinct is that he is innocent, but I wouldn't dismiss the information on him either. I would suggest gathering more information on him before lynching him (not that we won't have that time anyway, since Glenn is almost certainly todays first lynch).
With all that in mind, I believe my vote truely dosn't matter, Glenn is dead. However I would like to use my vote as a mark of suspicion on who I think our next lynch should be. I am torn between Pevergreen and The Stranger. Imagining however that both we guilty, Pevergreen would be a lot more dangerous than The Stranger, thanks to the position he has placed himself in. So I:
Vote: Pevergreen
Glenn is pretty much just scrambling to defend himself. Everyone else is just coming up with more resons to lynch him, the evidence could be better but there are facts. Not all mafia can survive Glenn.
I sure am scrambling boyo;
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Other points:
Who hasn't participated yet?
Vote: Abstain
We don't know enough yet, and I don't want dead Townies
OOC: Seamus, can we get the post number at the top of each section in the summary thread.
What scrambling? He's singing Bette Midler lyrics and voting for himself. What kind of mafia play is that?Quote:
Glenn is pretty much just scrambling to defend himself. Everyone else is just coming up with more resons to lynch him, the evidence could be better but there are facts. Not all mafia can survive Glenn.
This is a bandwagon, plain and simple. Some mafioso decided to start the train to Glenn's death. Let's step back and think about this.
norwegian nerd's post doesn't ease my mind totally, but at least he's talked anyhow:
Unvote: norwegian nerd
Glenn is a player I'm in a little doubt about after last night's attack. There was only one protector (was this a Luca or a Surgeon?), although he did seem fairly surprised at the save, possibly indicating that he had no idea quite what was going on. I do think a Luca may have told his boss a little more if he were to be trying to rescue him from an attack. I'm not quite sure of what logic Seamus uses when writing the kills though, so this may not be the case.
He's behaving how he's behaved in Fimbulwinter, my game, but of course, I can't really reveal his role since the game is still in progress. He may be a little eccentric and slightly paranoid, although his behaviour does so far seem to be the norm for him regardless.
I'm now looking more to GH, who hasn't really posted much since last night, and has also completely slipped under the radar in the meantime. He still hasn't explained his aggressive and somehow obsessive method of him defending a player and himself. When I last saw him exhibit this sort of behaviour, he was Lycan, a serial killer, in pevergreen's Fantasy Mafia. He certainly needs to be looked into.
Vote: GH
Well, it seems a bit odd to out and out lie so early in the game, but here's the PM exchange between me and Glenn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
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Originally Posted by Glenn
Perhaps that doesn't count as a response in Glenn's book, but it certainly looks like one to my eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by pannonian
There was a PM following this.. And everyone should note that the beginning and end of that response is; "As for pever's past connections to me".
What does FoS mean?
Oh no. I had forgotten the second screenshot.
Now I feel terrible again.
You are terrible. But I doubt you feel terrible.
I could believe you often feel a little corruptive and rotten, like asbestos.
Finger of Suspicion: Informs the public of suspected guilt, but not enough or not the most guilty to place a vote upon.
Vote:Abstain
I've never played anything like this before and it's all going over my head, hopefully I survive long enough to understand what the hell is going on.
I don't want my information fading out of the minds who can't be bothered to read two pages back.
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Here is the information, I simply glued the two posts together.
It won't save me, but it will point the finger at the right people.
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It is my second, my first was Fimbulwinter, which started 3 days ago..
Generally, everyone attempts self preservation in a Mafia game - you can't be part of a victory if you are dead.
So that is a terrible excuse for lynching someone.
Next, the main excuse is that I was either protected by a Luca, or a Doctor, and seeing as a Doctor still doesn't prove my innocence, but a Luca would prove my guilt.
How is that rational if you don't know who protected me in any case?
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In response to 10 votes, I only have a limited time to play this game, and if I can spend the very first few turns exposing a Mafia family, then I've succeeded in my own part.
I am glad TruePraetorian came forward, he was very suspicious of me when I sent both him and Dutch_Guy PMs to ensure I wasn't being fooled.
As for Pevergreen, there was strong evidence that he, Pannonian and Beefy187 were connected.
When Woad&Fangs sent out his letter asking for a protection group, he sent it to Beefy187, but not to Pannonian or Pevergreen of course.
Beefy187 refused. Makayane can confirm who the letter was sent to.
Beefy then suggested to me it would be a good idea to infiltrate Pevergreen's group to find out what was occuring, and volunteered himself very quickly.
I did not trust this, I asked Pannonian in a letter to tell me what was going on between him and Pevergreen or else he would attract my distrust.
He never responded.
Pevergreen responded by posting my PM, which shows how he intended to kill W&F first - note how he has subtly tried to lynch him.
I think both Woad&Fangs are innocent, however I think they both have at least tried to recruit a large amount of people, for themselves or for the Mafia.
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Notice also how Sigurd first dismissed complaints against himself and Stranger, then began pushing against both Stranger and Louis VI when I mentioned the latter.
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Hope to god someone takes this seriously and acts on it, publicly or not..
I've done a lot of studying in the background during my Day 1, Night 1 silence..
I believe Sasaki is innocent.
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What do I have to lose?
The possibility of gaining more information, and having a more productive role in the game - in other words, life!
I am unsure of some things, but I know names that can come forward and set things perfectly.
Protection Group Alpha, recruited by Stranger.
Glenn, Dutch_Guy, TruePraetorian
Protection Group Beta, recruited by - Stranger?
Drisos, Moros, Andres
Alpha protected Louis VI the Fat.
Beta protected Sigurd Fafnesbane.
Step forward, protectees, what was the reason for being recruited into this?
Considering I received my recruitment PM about one hour after game start, this all seemed too organised to be township.
You all must of realised also, if we can all give some evidence on this we can put this little Mafia away - and only one of us will die, myself. How romantic.
I have to go, this is a busy day for me, (Actually), so this is a quick reply.
For that reason I can't add this PM in a quote - but what difference does that make? The difference is wether you believe me or not.
A PM from Stranger recently:
for a person with so much info... you know awefully little... tell me something you know and I don't before ill be putting a bit of pressure on you...
I did not handle by sigurd... hes not my boss... but if you do not start telling me stuff you end up dead... you might as well tell me stuff that can save you so i can vouch for your innocense... this is not the way you to end CDTC... not this early
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Finger of Suspicion, basicly its just saying your suspicious of someone beyond normal paranoia but not enough to vote them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xehh II
EDIT: Already answered :wall:
You mean this PM by you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
I had originally tried to lock w&f, Glenn and I into a protection group for pevergreen, the player w&f said he was groupkilling, because I have a strong aversion to townkills and I wanted to guarantee w&f would not be taking part in anysuch. Capo 1 players, or any players for that matter who can read the rules and think them through, will know why. And for players who are neither, here's the explanation, as provided to Glenn in another PM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
I did eventually manage to cajole w&f out of attempting a kill on pevergreen (or anyone else), so there was little else to be discussed on that matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by pannonian
Anything more than those two posts Glenn?
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Originally Posted by JimBob
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Originally Posted by Glenn
Well I dont know what to do.
I find it 80% likely its made up, but I cant help but feel it may be true.
I know I did that type of thing when I was hosting, I just dont see Seamus making a 2/3 pre-arranged group with extra powers...
The most suspicious thing is that they are first part of a group, and then JimBob claims that they would like to create a group. I don't know about letting the two of them knowing each other AND giving them special doctoring powers. It seems strange. Perhaps only one of them has a special thing. I am also interested as to what these special powers would do, because as far as I know 3 townies together won't fail.
Glenn, if you are pro-town, the least you can do is reveal your role...
I don't think anything else you'll say will matter now.
Two questions remain unanswered:
- who protected Glenn? alot of people have been focusing on this question...
- who attacked Glenn?
I would have thought Sasaki and his group did so, but he claims that they have been protecting Pannonian.
And to be fair: it was my idea to protect Sigurd last night. I played quite a few games with Sigurd on my townie-side and he never failed to impress me.
Sigurd, I think you made a mistake quoting Drisos' unallowed after dead reveal.
Wasn't it in CDTC I that the Don's knew each other's identity? So maybe Drisos was a detective, maybe he was scum, but I don't see no reason to doubt the accusation.
Unvote: pevergreen; Vote : Don Sigurd.
If only we could create a tie between Glenn and Sigurd and lynch them both...
JimBob's pm protestations look made up to me.
-Seamus wouldn't add a 3 person special role with a critical ability. Also, vigilantes don't save lives.
-There's no reason for glenn not to have claimed it earlier. Given the huge amount of effort he's gone into, reposting all the information that he summarized, I find it unbelievable that there isn't even a hint of a special role.
-ergo JimBob is most likely Glenn's scumbuddy trying to save his don.
Scummy post. There's no reason to be so sure Sigurd is guilty. Drisos's accusation is not very significant at all. Reason to watch sigurd at most.Quote:
Wasn't it in CDTC I that the Don's knew each other's identity? So maybe Drisos was a detective, maybe he was scum, but I don't see no reason to doubt the accusation.
Unvote: pevergreen; Vote : Don Sigurd.
If only we could create a tie between Glenn and Sigurd and lynch them both...