The whole frustration about the Robyn tunnel and the snipes about it reverberates a lot with my own feelings on the subject. And makes me feel like it comes more from a town getting incorrectly read (again)Quote:
Originally Posted by Achro
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The whole frustration about the Robyn tunnel and the snipes about it reverberates a lot with my own feelings on the subject. And makes me feel like it comes more from a town getting incorrectly read (again)Quote:
Originally Posted by Achro
Wouldn't you pull this out though if you were correctly being scum read though? Feels like the obvious card to play in order to immediately take the wind out of Robyn's sails. It certainly worked for me, I went from "okay Robyn is cooking here" to seeing the two day 1 lynches and going, and I mean this literally, "lol" irl.Quote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
So to ask another way - you think that response is straight up out of Wisdom's scum range?
Oh i missed these few replies. Well Robyn took it back so it doesn't matter any more, but generally speaking I will take things like statistical likelyhood into account if my reads are at somewhat comparative strength levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
So that scan, before Robyn was like 'lol', would have been similar to having a green check in a game with a godfather and thinking 'yeah guess that green check means nothing.'
It's not 100% a clear, but it does make one have to rethink things.
i don't usually think in terms of unaligning people before they flip so nothing else immediately comes to mind but there would presumably be something, just like with wisdom if wQuote:
Originally Posted by Achro
i can reference a bazillion of examples from games i was in where what i said about rp and how it seems to have bearing on alignment matches up to what i saidQuote:
Originally Posted by Wisdom
i've been since informed that i might've just had unusual experiences so i dropped that line of reasoning and i think i was just wrong now
the reason i'm asking if people have reasons to believe wisdom is town is a similar case to lapras
i'm trying to build some form of consensus because i feel like a lot of people are just throwing reads out there and it's not getting us anywhere
the reason i'm not "sticking to my guns" is that i don't think the reason boq gave is enough at this point
i feel like your reads are just omgus wisdom
i'm pretty sure i'm about to postcap so i need to stop posting but i'll review people's answers to the wisdom query and i'll try to be here for eod to at least vote someone
Speaking of Lapras, did you comment on my big Lapras post? I would have expected you to since you tunneled day 1 so much onto Lapras. If you did and I just forgot you can just point me to the post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vulgard
You are at 144 for the thread and your post cap for the day according to Nutella's quick math when day started was 175, so you've got plenty of room still.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vulgard
Completely out of scumrange? Can't be super sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Achro
And I could pull it out as wolf, but there's a different emotion between being caught and being incorrectly wolfread.
Yeah I feel ya, just wondering if Wisdom does what I do and looks themselves in the mirror and goes "I am town, fuck anyone who says otherwise. I am town, fuck anyone who says otherwise."Quote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
I do like the boq vote tho. You should find my Lapras post and tell me what you think, it directly relates to wolf Boq worlds.
ie? Can you show me what makes you think Wisdom is a villager incorrectly wolfread here as opposed to the being caught?Quote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
Vote: Boq
Going back to this seeing as Robyn was just having a bit of fun with the MD thing, so math is back on my side. Hoo-hah.
Not strictly opposed to Wisdom dying atm, but I've given Boq and Boq worlds more of my brain power this phase and I like my conclusions there.
I am going to go rest, I should be back before deadline.
I did actually say that's exactly what they are a while ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vulgard
If you're disconnected to a game that's usually the easiest way to start solving.
Can you explain why "Wisdom has loads of experience and chose to play like this as wolf" is the most reasonable conclusion for you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
I don't think that's what I said?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wisdom
I am trying to determine if Ender just posted that for kicks or if he can articulate why you are a villager here in his mind.
I just think you had an awkward entrance, few time irl, and a bad rand. Your experience has nothing to do with it.
Achro - He's had high WIM and I don't really know to solve him if I don't base my reads on flawed meta. Lean town but very weak.
Boq - Had low WIM but that doesn't really imply anything, and it might even be high WIM but low time in thread. Lean wolf but weak.
Cape90 - Had high WIM d1 and less so today, was very confident on his read on me early on but changed his mind when others started doubting, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't unless other wolf read me so egh that makes him either a wolf or a coward. Null.
dyachei - I've been able to find them quite early based on WIM and how they percieve solving and this time I haven't. That has been a wolf tell before. Boq town reads them, and I don't really understand why because in a w/w situation that seems like a dumb thing to do, if w!Boq and v!Dya that seems plausible, and if v!Boq then I guess he has more experience with Dya to read them better than I do. I wish I had Dunya's solid skill of reading them. I guess lean v if I sheep Boq regardless of his alignment, but kinda wanna lean w because lacking a town read usually implies wolf on slots like them. Am torn. Won't vote right now I guess. (I'm already voting them ain't I lol) Lean wolf.
EnderWiggin - Feels different from last game in which he was wolfing. I didn't catch him then but Syn caught him pretty much instantly and I've seen nothing of the sorts so far, so that strengthens my hunch that Ender is town. Lean town, re-evaluate if Syn is w.
lapras - I still have no read here, sorry. Null.
nutella - To me the most obvious town right now, reads feels genuine and not made to please people, not sure if I can explain it better without a proper ISO. I get why people think we're w/w. I don't get why people wolf read her outside of that. Town.
raskolnikov - Has tunneled me straight since game started and conf biased everything I've said and down. Nothing similar to the wolf-Rask I've both played with and against. Town.
Syn - Similar to Rask but slightly weaker. The tunnel exist similarly to how he caught Ender last game except he's wrong now. Not sure if he'd play like this as wolf, and tunnels are towny in general. Lean tpwn.
Visor - Been changing my mind a lot on him. I don't hate my earlier reason to town read him but compared to most reads he feels like the weakest town read, and for a player of his caliber that might just make him a wolf. I guess null for now.
Vulgard - Not completely sure how to approach him. He's better at reading me than I am at reading him in general, but I have had moments in games where I just find him to be town (once he turned out to be a wolf though) and right now I don't, which gives me similar vibes as Dya. Weak wolf lean.
DEAD
illario - Town read me, not sure why he was wagoned in the first place outside of "Could be w/w with Wisdom" (which is the same kind of dichotomy I've heard a lot today). Should probably look at his reads closer if I get the time.
ladd - Wolf read me, also wolf read Boq. He was killed because he is Ladd and Ladd gets n1'd, even more so because it frames me but I wonder if it frames Boq or if just Boq killed him because he was right?
Robyn - Probably town but has done very little useful for the alignment today.
You didn't say that, but it's something I believe you should answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov
There's been a lot of trashing of my wolf game this game and it's factually just not true and I believe that if you take my experience in mind you'll probably understand that I would have played this game differently as wolf even despite the time constraints.
Like if you're gonna trash me it's probably more correct to say that I suck at playing mafia on phone regardless of alignment. I believe you can see a difference in how I play and post from the last 3 hours compared to the rest of the day, same goes with the last hour I was online D1.
It's something that could be noticed in any game I play really. I usually only play on PC if I have other business here as well, because -sorry- I play mafia to have something fun to think about and to hang out with nice people first hand, and rarely high effort to win if it's not competetive or I'm invested, and I'm far too used to be the top wagon d1 and d2 to start caring before mid game.
aaahhhh maybeQuote:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin
@Visor
why are you wolfreading me?
how about explaining just 3 reads you have instead of not doing anything
ngl kind of tilted that wisdom can't seem to see my WIM this game because d1 i had something happen irl.
I've been much more active today and I feel like I'm showing my process
okay yeah sure
vote: boquise
feels like im getting punished in a chill game for not being super proactive and present even though I've talked about why i wasnt able to be as present d1
feelsbadman
UnvoteQuote:
Originally Posted by dyachei
I never meant to have that vote there for more than 5min, sorry.
I can't offer you a town read but I can at least unvote.
Vote: Lapras
Yolo
VOTE TALLY AS OF POST #1795
boquise 4 vulgard enderwiggin achro nutella
wisdom 1 raskolnikov
dyachei 1 visor
ender 1 boquise
achro 1 lapras
lapras 1 wisdom
Maj is in effect. With 13 players the magic number is 7.
Night is at 7pm eastern on 3/26/23
where are you checking this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Achro
oh yeah that postQuote:
Originally Posted by Achro
honestly i'm not sure
i see the point you're making but i just don't have an opinion on it
most wagons are on someone i don't trQuote:
Originally Posted by Sunbae
ender "wagon" is a thing i guess
@Boquise actually why are you voting ender
Uh what I thought I was voting myself?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vulgard