The Megapolis

Longer is better http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/cool.gif

Longer time to prepare new release means more new stuff in new version and less complication with installation (and that means less problems and questions about installation, so creators should have more time to create new releases http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wink.gif )

But I hope longer time it's not 10 months...

PS Is there a chance for pictures of assasins, emissaries etc.? During campaign if I look at pictures and descriptions of agents, I got crash to desktop. It's a little bit annoying...

Hmm, this portrait ctd should not happen: Maybe try to download HTWpatch 2 at our website.

About 4-5 corrupt files were portraits and also at least one assasin portait.

The patch 2 should fix this.


But here a pic of a battle in the landscape for Mantinea with the actual version of this battle:


https://img528.imageshack.us/img528/...wfight1ca0.jpg

Flip
I have some constructive critism on the models. I notice that the back of the shields are visible. Perhaps you like it, but IMO it's just wrong as nobody had emblems on the back of their shield. CA (and so do I) avoids this by having the right arm as the shield arm (when you look at a BIF then take the persons right arm), so the front of the shield will always be displayed and not the back. You have now placed it at the left arm, which is the logical thing to do, but since images are mirrored there is no real right or left arm, so forget logic...:inquisitive: ...if I wandered off to far, then: switch the shieldarm.

Do with this advise whatever you want, I do understand that your old animations are useless if you use the advice but perhaps you can use it for future animations.

Cheers, Duke John

Wow, the units are looking so much better than the original from MTW + VI.

How long does it mean, when you say a little bit longer?

I don´t know, if we will release it in parts, but I prefer a full release with as many new campaigns as possible.

I don´t know how long it would take, but I hope not that long, but there would be many things to do before releasing. Lets see.

one week, two weeks, one month?

DJs, thanks for the tip, just 2 ideas.

Komninos is your man for this subject. The shields and weapons are not rendered with the soldiers. We use the coordinates system.We are thinking on use rendered shields in cases where is no room to draw shields in the bottom part of the bif.

We had other solution for the same problem, but it will take a lot of work. Just tell me, follwing your idea, how do you hide the back face of the shield in the back angle of the soldier? With hoplons is quite hard, they're monster shields.

What is funny is that I discovered in the last days some greek pics that give strongness to the back face painted shields theory, just they have different draws from the ones at the front face.

So, lets ear what Komninos may say about it. Thanks for launching the issue DJ.

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I have been so looking forward to using this mod,and after 2 days of download after download, reading post after post for help I have hit a brick wall.

I initially downloaded the mod from the HTW site but a couple of files, one a map file, kept being corrupted. I read posts and followed some advice to download the mod from the 3D site. After 2 trys, and long waiting periods I got it and all files seemed fine.

Installed MTW+VI and patched to 2.01. Put on MOD followed by patch followed by corrupt files patch. Went into game and all seemed well, however when I come to the campaign map the Greek peninsula is in the top left hand corner but the map itself is showing the map of Europe with the icons for the mod floating on top.

I have converted the 2 map files a stated. What am I doing wrong, please can someone save me from the torment? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/gc-wall.gif

I guess you have saved the maptex-files into the wrong folder: They have to be saved into the Textures/campmap/Hellenic folder.

Then the HTW campaignmap should be playable.

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Thanks for the reply, the folder you refer too now has the following files 2 Maptex files, one a Jpeg and one a bitmap, and 2 Maptex2 files again one a Jpeg and one a bit ma................. mmm, just a sec............... sorry for waisting your time, as your instructions clearly say that the map file should be saves in TGA format, this I have now done and it works fine, please accept my apology for wasting your time, now to war http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/bigthumb.gif

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Hi again its me, I am now getting the following message which freezes up the game and eventually cause CTD:

ROYAL_PALACE2 has been declared as CATHOLIC, but its IMAGETYPE_ICONIC was requested from campmap
eview_paneluildingsORTHODOX and is not present there or in the root directory.
****Using default image****

as I said you can clear this and carry on playing but each time u right click aprovince, or try to build something it comes back and then after 2/3 times it CTD's, any suggestions? Thanks again in advance http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

I have tried to look for this image but it is not in any folders, only a Royal Palace image is.

I fully support you guys in taking the time you need for a large and polished release.

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Back at last Just been catching up on all the new stuff FANTAS I.ve waited this long for the next version ,So I can wait a little more time.Just keep it comeing

@Topazmagic:


Visit our HTW website and download the files:

patch and Patch for corrupt download files:


Extract both to your HTW v21 installation into the main directory of it.


Now you should´nt have this problem anymore.

btw: press space if this royal palace problem happens.

Flip

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Quote[/b] ]Komninos is your man for this subject.

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Well, actually you are the man for this subject. If you animate the soldier with the rightarm held up high, then Komninos can only put a spear there as a shield will look odd. As a animator you need to consider which arm is going to be the shieldarm and that the shieldarm is always going to be the arm most close to the camera.

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Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] ]We are thinking on use rendered shields in cases where is no room to draw shields in the bottom part of the bif.

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I rendered my WotR models together with the weapons, and not only does it look better but it also avoids the uninspiring positioning of the items. So I would definitely do that if I were you.

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Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] ]Just tell me, follwing your idea, how do you hide the back face of the shield in the back angle of the soldier? With hoplons is quite hard, they're monster shields.

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You can use normal MTW soldiers as an example. When viewed at a 157 degree angle (the back angle) then you should make the shield very small. In reality you should be looking at the back but this is not possible with only a front.

Cheers, Duke John

Hi all,

To take things from the top.
I am agents a going on the Peloponnesian / Hellenistic age now. It will complicate things bring new things to worry about and also intermix with the upcoming RTW. It will also bring a serious delay in the release of the HTW that is so close now since most of the units are finished and we are almost ready for the first unit beta patch for the testers

The later introduction of the new campaigns will be error-proof since the self extracting zip will put everything you need in its place with no further intervention.

The shield thing is difficult. The main problem is that if you render the unit and the shield then you can only have one unit / bif folder that’s a big waist of space So it can only happen to similar units i.e. Skythic type units.

I had a solution that made the coordinate thing very difficult and complicated thus error intense. It needed a low resolution back face of a shield to be used. The unit would have two shields when the front face was visible then the it would occupy the usual shield coordinates When the back face was visible then the front face coordinates would turn in to 0s resulting in a non appearing shield. The rear face would be now visible and using the shield coordinates.

I can try but this is going to be very difficult to implement

Displaying back and front of shields
Well it is possible if you want to stick to it which you apperently do (I still believe that the CA solution is the simplest/best). You can display the back and front of shield if you do the following:

1. Add a front and back image of the shield in the BIF.

2. In Shields.txt you should capture both images.

3. In UnitName_S.txt you write that the unit uses both shields (units can use 2 shields, just look at pavise crossbows).

4. In the Items\Shields folder you start with making 1 set of coordinates. Then copy the folder so that both shields have their own folder (for example Shield1 and Shield2).

5. Look at your animations and decide at what angle the front is visible. Go the front shield folder and whenever the front is no longer visible you add 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 (or all zeros, but I'm not sure wether that doesn't cause a crash).

6. Do the same for the back angle; nullify all the coordinates when the back is not visible.

If you have problems I can give you an example. This might even work and look good I think it's pretty easy to do and it looks more realistic, the only worries you might have is that the back shields will take more space in the BIF and that shields are not that recognisable from the back.

Good luck,
Duke John

My point exactly DJ. The problem is that it complicates things a lot And this might bring more errors i.e. during packing, or making

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Quote[/b] ]My point exactly DJ. The problem is that it complicates things a lot And this might bring more errors i.e. during packing, or making

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No, you didn't understand me then My solution is far more easier than yours. In fact you can use the exact same coordinates that you are using right now, except for the deadeasy nullifying of coordinates when the front/back is not visible.
This does not bring any more errors when compared to normal positioning of shields.

Let's try again:

- Use an old set of coordinates.

- Add the back image of a shield in the unitBIF.

- The unit uses both the back and front shield, for example Shield1 and Shield2.

- When the front is visible then use the existing coordinates. When not visible then nullify the coordinates for that angle ONLY

- When the back is visible then use the existing coordinates. When not visible then nullify the coordinates for that angle ONLY

And now a bit abstract:
1
1
1
1
Stand for a set of coordinates. The front is only visible in the last 2 angles so:
0
0
1
1
The back is only visible is only visible in the first 2 angles so:
1
1
0
0
Ingame you will now have a front shield visible for the last 2 angles (22, 67 degrees) and the the backshield when viewing at the first 2 angles (112, 157 degrees). So combined:
0 + 1 = 1
0 + 1 = 1
1 + 0 = 1
1 + 0 = 1

Please read my other post again, and forget your own method while reading.

btw happy b-day Komninos http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wave.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...gc-balloon.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...gc-balloon.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...gc-balloon.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/handball.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...gc-balloon.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...gc-balloon.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...gc-balloon.gif

KOM http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...gc-balloon.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg.../gc-party2.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/cheers.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/gc-clown.gif

CZoF http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...gc-curtain.gif

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Thanks for the help Antalis.

I finished my second campaign (expert level).
Using not-persian in classical age means hard and long playing.
I took Lacedemonians (Sparta).

BTW, I used the freshest patch (download without a problem) but I still had CTD when I looked at the description of emissaries (during campaign of course). Priest and spies worked fine - strange http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...c-confused.gif

Hmm, if there is really a problem, we will fix this for the next release.

A mapimage for a historical battle:

http://max45.250free.com/htw_thermopylae2.jpg


Thanks flip for the sepia tipp http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/smile.gif

lol that is an amazing touch to that pic there Antalis, good job http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wave.gif

Thanks Scipio http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...-2thumbsup.gif


Here another one:

http://max45.250free.com/htw_plataeae.jpg


btw: This is Plataeae, above is Thermopylae.

yet another teaser...it is beginning to be a torture to see all those screen shots.

but WOW

Nice ones Antalis http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/cool.gif

hellenic music?

will the new version have new hellenic music?

anyway, i just hope that the new version is finished so i can play it 19-5-04, becouse then i have been seeing Troy.........