Representative Democracy [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by Zack

and now my only window at being able to meaningfully affect the game slipped away with the way elections and d1 shaped out

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No it didn't. You've had a lot of effect on the game today. That I can't see much of it as beneficial to town is exactly why I suspect you.

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Originally Posted by Zack

and in any case i don't see how I'm not playing for a win as town anyways, i'm not even sure what i'd have to do to fit that arbitrary requirement in your mind.

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There's nothing arbitrary about it. I'm looking for a townie mind, as evidenced by believable thought processes leading to pro-town actions.

Shit that's hard to fake.

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Originally Posted by Zack

I did zero to save choxorn yesterday, so lol at the accusation of my play making more sense driving for a scum win.

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You do like to keep your buddies alive, that's true. Need to take a closer look at the events in question to see whether this holds any water, though.

yes and that's an arbitrary measurement because it's entirely subjective and you can make it mean whatever you want

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Originally Posted by Zack

yes and that's an arbitrary measurement because it's entirely subjective and you can make it mean whatever you want

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I'm not trying to prove myself, I'm trying to work you out.

What are you trying to do?

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Originally Posted by Riedquat

Why? Are you sure we are talking about BSmith and not me?

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How much of the thread have you read?

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

I'm not trying to prove myself, I'm trying to work you out.

What are you trying to do?

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show that you are bending over backwards to form a scum read on me to fulfill your paranoia

like i don't think you seem to have really considered how i could be posting from a town mindset because that isn't what you went searching for, you were looking for the opposite so that's what you found

i have almost 300 posts you'd be able to find something to construct a narrative that i'm a wolf regardless of either of our alignments

if you think i was a wolf with choxorn i'd love to see that case

did you expect me to just roll over and accept it? your question seems to be implying that defending myself is something inherently nefarious and scummy to do

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

How much of the thread have you read?

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I've read all this day and I prefer to be lynched twice before attempting to read day 1 again!

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

How much of the thread have you read?

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Probably very little.

lolxpost

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Originally Posted by Zack

show that you are bending over backwards to form a scum read on me to fulfill your paranoia

like i don't think you seem to have really considered how i could be posting from a town mindset because that isn't what you went searching for, you were looking for the opposite so that's what you found

i have almost 300 posts you'd be able to find something to construct a narrative that i'm a wolf regardless of either of our alignments

if you think i was a wolf with choxorn i'd love to see that case

did you expect me to just roll over and accept it? your question seems to be implying that defending myself is something inherently nefarious and scummy to do

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This isn't paranoia. Paranoia is that voice telling me that I'm trusting Visor too much.

I didn't go searching for reasons to find you scummy. I had them already.

I went searching for reasons not to find you and Monstr scummy. I found them for him.

On this bit about chox, last night I looked quite carefully at the implications of his flip, and I didn't find you to be an obvious beneficiary.

I'll look again, but I don't like how you're resting on this.

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Originally Posted by Riedquat

I've read all this day and I prefer to be lynched twice before attempting to read day 1 again!

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do you have anything to say about it?

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

This isn't paranoia. Paranoia is that voice telling me that I'm trusting Visor too much.

I didn't go searching for reasons to find you scummy. I had them already.

I went searching for reasons not to find you and Monstr scummy. I found them for him.

On this bit about chox, last night I looked quite carefully at the implications of his flip, and I didn't find you to be an obvious beneficiary.

I'll look again, but I don't like how you're resting on this.

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lol ok

i think you're being ridiculous

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Originally Posted by Zack

lol ok

i think you're being ridiculous

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I think you're trying to make this emotional.

It's your go-to defence.

how did i try to make anything emotional

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Originally Posted by Zack

ridiculous

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There.

I was called ridiculous at some point last night IIRC.

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Originally Posted by Zack

how did i try to make anything emotional

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By dismissing my suspicions as ridiculous.

Calling someone ridiculous or otherwise belittling their efforts can be effective because it provokes an emotional response, and thus changes the dynamic, discouraging them or making them act less rationally.

I know you use this as town too, but you've been overdoing it in this game.

I'm not being ridiculous. I'm expressing a genuine suspicion that I've come to by reasonable means.

If Cuth is a wolf, Zack is likely not a wolf.

If Cuth is a villager, I could see it, I guess. Zack's attitude today compared to yesterday seems a little :shrug:. Even with the idea that your vote doesn't count you can still try to convince people, and hell its what some of us have been trying to do.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

By dismissing my suspicions as ridiculous.

Calling someone ridiculous or otherwise belittling their efforts can be effective because it provokes an emotional response, and thus changes the dynamic, discouraging them or making them act less rationally.

I know you use this as town too, but you've been overdoing it in this game.

I'm not being ridiculous. I'm expressing a genuine suspicion that I've come to by reasonable means.

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i was more referring to me defending myself as "wow, how scummy of you" when there's nothing else happening in the thread

that was in fact ridiculous

though to be fair i think it's all a little ridiculous

like if i had completely ignored it would you have commented on what a villagery thing to do that is

because i doubt it

I kinda think Zack is a villager

I didn't really pay too much attention to him in Heroes but this doesn't seem like that

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Originally Posted by Visor

If Cuth is a wolf, Zack is likely not a wolf.

If Cuth is a villager, I could see it, I guess. Zack's attitude today compared to yesterday seems a little :shrug:. Even with the idea that your vote doesn't count you can still try to convince people, and hell its what some of us have been trying to do.

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ooh ooh i have something to say about that

Hey @Cuthillius for the 50th time

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Cuth I want you to lay it out why I am a wolf. Use my posts and explain how they are wolfy and why and all that jazz and what I'm trying to aim at with them.

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Originally Posted by Visor

Hey @Cuthillius for the 50th time

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mike

hunt

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

ooh ooh i have something to say about that

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hopefully it's something that clears me

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Originally Posted by Cass_

Actually,

@ Everybody

OFFICIAL ORDER OF CHANCELLORY BUSINESS

----- Please provide links to ISO's for your two most recent Town and your two most recent Scum games -----

Your applications for residence in this Town will be judged accordingly.

Cheers and thank you.

Madame Chancellor,

On behalf of all of those here who are not Wolfy.

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No. You shouldnt need them and you already know where they are. stick to DM games thats more true.

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Originally Posted by Cass_

Thanks.

Plan is I'll use these to do what I did with Chox/what I do when I'm trying to solidify my final reads.

Compare current game and previous styles. Look for differences/similarities in play that stand out as alignment-related. See if that confirms my gut read/what I pick up on here.

(Sometimes) works for me.

Eg. Deciding between Chox/Barto (Cuth is right, I was never going to vote for him based on what we had D1)

FTR Barto not out of the woods for me, he's still very possi-scum, but he had more possi-possi-Town redemption than Chox, who was playing complete opposite to how he played as Town in Rappers and the recent Small Mafia game here.

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Originally Posted by Cass_

I'm out for now.

I'll try to read along on mobile but working all day and then 2hr drive home to fam, and then fam stuff comes first until everyone's in bed.

I'll be online for as long as I can stay awake after that and back again a few hours from deadline.


Aorn, current bottom tiers



BSmith/CSargo/Riedquat


Winston/Monty/GH/El Barto


My preference* would be to lynch from here, but I'll pretty much always thoroughly re-evaluate everyone who ends up nominated for lynch when it happens.

*Disclaimer that this could change as I catch up

Night all

Or rather, good morning <.<

*Hides from Dice*

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Thats IT!! you miss are GROUNDED!!! 9pm bedtime tonight or no pressies!

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Originally Posted by Visor

Hey @Cuthillius for the 50th time

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no, because i no longer believe that

i thought i said that earlier

it's not been my opinion since yesterday

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

no, because i no longer believe that

i thought i said that earlier

it's not been my opinion since yesterday

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When did it change, I want you to tell me what changed and I want you to use MY posts. Explain how it changed.

Don't use vague terms like I felt this or whatever.

Show me explicitly.

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

ooh ooh i have something to say about that

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well are you going to say it

Sorry for not being around, needed to take a break from mafia for a bit. Will read more of the thread and post more soon.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

By dismissing my suspicions as ridiculous.

Calling someone ridiculous or otherwise belittling their efforts can be effective because it provokes an emotional response, and thus changes the dynamic, discouraging them or making them act less rationally.

I know you use this as town too, but you've been overdoing it in this game.

I'm not being ridiculous. I'm expressing a genuine suspicion that I've come to by reasonable means.

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This post right here basically sums up my feelings towards Zack in this game. Every post comes across as bluster and a hope that if you keep saying cases and reads are trash people will go away and stop bothering you. I'm done with Zack's attitude, in fact Vote: Zack Also Winston lock town forever.

what are you talking about