Prussia was already announced when it was found out on the 9th of January.
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Prussia was already announced when it was found out on the 9th of January.
I believe the player was indicating that the front page of this thread is meant to be a accurate updated list of units, factions and info over on the official site.
As stands Prussia has still not been added to the list in the first post.
Woooops. Sorry about that. It's up there now, always has been and none of you can ever prove otherwise!Quote:
Originally Posted by Polemists
Also I added the Tennant Farming to the list. For those of you who missed the copy pasta on the last page let me add it to the new page.
European-style tenanted farms
Tenanted farms can only generate so much income from rents. With an increase in town size, and an increased demand from industry for agricultural products, it is more profitable to have herds of animals, not a gaggle of tenants. Meat and wool demand increases rapidly as towns grow. Apart from any other considerations, moving people off land also creates large areas where landowners can indulge a passion for hunting. While this generates little income, it does give social status.
The “Highland Clearances” are probably the most famous example of a forced change to land usage on a large scale. Contrary to popular belief, Highland clan leaders carried out most of the Scottish clearances, driving their own kinsmen and clans into exile. The chieftains needed to pay for the sophisticated life that they could have in Edinburgh and London by reinventing themselves as Scottish gentry. Sheep simply earned more money than the crofters did.
Nothing too new or interesting here, unless there is someone out there who was convinced that farming wouldn't be in the game. :laugh4:
I've resigned myself to never being the first person to find anything at the Official Site anymore. I'm clearly fated to forever be late with updates :shame:
You could at least give us a link. :laugh4:
You’r joking, right! :jester:
I know that you know there is a link in the second line of the first post.:laugh4:
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It is a disgrace for little peasants to make a noble such as myself do so much work. :laugh4:
Forgive us Lord! I've tried whipping them, but they refuse to work any faster. May I suggest we execute a few as examples? That Fisherking chap looks shifty, he'll be the first to go. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Methuselah
Careful whom you call peasant, Meth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methuselah
In any case, The Laughing Knight has done us a great service to begin with, and we should thank him enough for that at least. Knights must patrol the realm after all, he can't always hover over the ETW site 24/7...
I try, I really do... but pesky things like sleeping and eating just keep getting in the way of the important stuff :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
Hey there folks, I apologise for the double post but we have a new unit! This time no one beat me to it :beam:
http://www.sega.co.uk/empire/units/?id=1
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Clansmen
These fierce Highland warriors intimidate all enemies with their wild skirling attacks and barbarous apparel.
Highland clans are the last tribal society in Western Europe. Men fight for their chieftains because they are expected to defend their clans’ honour and lands. They fight for these in the same way that they have done for centuries: with the broadsword and buckler, pistol, and Lochaber axe. There is little that regular line troops find as disturbing as the sight of a clan bearing down on them, screaming their hate and defiance. Highland Scots are brave, hard men.
Historically, the clans were destroyed as a military force at Culloden in 1746, by both British regulars and other, loyalist clansmen. The romance of the clans died on the field, along with a great many men who hurled themselves into a storm of lead and cannonballs armed with nothing more than swords. The clansmen were then repeatedly betrayed and used by their own chiefs, and then eventually driven off the land when sheep became more profitable. Highlanders were forced to scatter across the world, taking their fighting traditions with them.
I guess these guys will be part of the Jacobite forces.
This is a tough one!
The Highlanders were noted for getting the English to fire and duck to ground and come up charging!
If that trick is not available, and I am guessing it is not, then it handicaps their ability as fighter and the fear they caused…
I'm willing to bet their advantage will lie in extremely high melee attack stats and probably some kind of 'lowers enemy morale' trait. They will probably be the perfect unit for attacking from ambush, or from cover, and charging the enemy before they can deliver a volley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fisherking
In melee their claymore and shield would give them a huge advantage over a man with a musket. At range however they have no protection against a musket volley and no means of returning fire.
I can see them being used like this:
Keep them behind a line of musket equipped infantry, or behind some kind of cover (a wall, building, hill, street corner). Once the musket unit has exchanged fire with the enemy the highlanders can charge out of cover and break the weakened enemy line.
They will probably also be very useful for urban combat and assaulting walls and garrisoned buildings.
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and no means of returning fire.
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with the broadsword and buckler, pistol, and Lochaber axe
Not quite true, they do have a pistol, which while hardly a musket or rifle does mean they can fire a shot or two before they charge. I doubt it would do much, but they do have a mean of returning fire if they are pinned. For instance in a building and across the way is a enemy garrison in another building.
At long range though you are correct as a pistol does little.
I missed that! In that case it does extend their range of uses a little, and gives them a means to do a little damage to a unit at range. :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Polemists
I'm still sure that their strength will lie in morale penalties and strong melee however, especially if there is a highlander unit which uses the lochaber axe!
I wonder if there will be one generic highlander unit, or several variations (such as a claymore unit, lochaber axe unit etc.)
On a different note this is good news for modders. I've heard many people complain about there being 'no sword units in game'. Now we know their is a unit that uses a sword and shield and that this will allow for mods set in other time periods.
Lol, Scots...
:creep:Be very careful!:quiet:Quote:
Originally Posted by Methuselah
The Nova Scotians are coming for YOU! :scared:
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Personally I am pleased to see Scotland appear in game with at least one highland style unit. Scotland's warrior clans are fascinating, especially because they survived for so long in what was otherwise 'civilized' Western Europe.
Modding the game to play as the Scottish and then rampaging across Europe with my clans should show the coffee-drinking, wig-wearing nancy boy gentlemen what REAL warfare is about.
Lots of tough blokes with big swords, shields, and no trousers running each other through with a blade and then going on to pillage a village, topple a town, or conquer a city.
I hope the Scottish get a 'warcry' ability.
"Ye ken tek oor lives but ye ken nev'r tek oor freeeeeeeeeedddooooooooooooooom!" :charge:
It would be worth all the complaints from people who want historical accuracy just to hear a Scottish general yell that and then lead a thundering charge at a the British red line. (Only to be cut down seconds later by cannon fire probably.) :laugh4:
Seconded :laugh4:Quote:
Ye ken tek oor lives but ye ken nev'r tek oor freeeeeeeeeedddooooooooooooooom!"
It would be worth all the complaints from people who want historical accuracy just to hear a Scottish general yell that and then lead a thundering charge at a the British red line. (Only to be cut down seconds later by cannon fire probably.)
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These and Galloglass were my favorite troops in MTW. (both are actually Scottish by the way, at least in origin)
M2TW nerfed the Scots and the whole foul up with pikemen didn’t help…Also the lack of gunpowder units was a mistake on CAs part, I feel.
In this era a Scotland in rebellion or as its own faction should have a strong industrial base. Look at where the ships, guns, and cannon were manufactured.
Without the brains from Edinburgh and the muscle from Glasgow the British Empire would have been stillborn.
Fortunately, kilts and claymores have actually been invented in ETW's time period :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Sir Beane
Indeed they were, which gives the Jacobites an added advantage of dodging most of the critiscism about accuracy that Scotland recieved in Medieval 2. Although technically kilts had been invented before, just not the tartan variety. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Sheogorath
CA however might get some critiscism for using the wrong tartan on the units. Scottish clans are very protective of their own individual tartans. For them it would be like dressing the English in blue. :laugh4:
If the Cossacks can just be 'Cossacks' then the Scotts can just be 'Scotts', I think :tongueg:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Beane
And no right and honorable Englishman would wear blue! They'd commit seppuku before such dishonor.
Of course, by 'seppuku' I mean 'a nice cup of tea and a brisk jog in the park'.
Your wrong Sheogorath the English would ware blue, so long as it was a nice Harris Tweed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheogorath
Oh, we were talking uniforms weren‘t we…
Never mind…
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At this point we've probably alienated and confused half ot the Org with our historical nitpicking :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fisherking
Personally I think that the Coassacks should get just as much accuracy and diversity as the various clans that make up 'the Scotts'. It will never happen though. CA don't have the time, and the majority of fans don't care about this sort of thing. Most of them they probably think of Scotland as it was portrayed in Braveheart and Highlander. :laugh4:
Speaking as an Englishman, blue isn't so bad. I would rather have a blue uniform than end up with one of the lovely neon colours CA probably have lined up for the less well-known factions. :laugh4:
That'd be as crazy as a Russian commander with a scottish accent............curse you mtw2 voice acting :PQuote:
If the Cossacks can just be 'Cossacks' then the Scotts can just be 'Scotts', I think
I hope every faction has thier own voice this time and we don't have italian and spainish having the EXACT same voice over.
I hope they keep the wonderful steretypically german accent for the German states though. I crack up every time I hear my men bark out 'Heil mein kaizer!'. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Polemists
I wouldn't worry too much. CA have said that each faction will have commands and things issued in its own language this time around. If they went to that much effort then we can probably expect them to have decent voice acting. (I hope).
The last unit we see thus far is the Highlander.
I would like to share with you what was said at the time of their early recruitment into the British army.
It is rather long but I am sure you can get through it. It should be enlightening.
Scottish Regiments
Military Character of the Highlanders
Hitherto the account of the military exploits of the Highlanders has been limited to their own clan feuds and to the exertions which, for a century, they made in behalf of the unfortunate Stuarts. We are now to notice their operations on a more extended field of action, by giving a condensed sketch of their services in the cause of the country; services which have acquired for them a reputation as deserved as it has been unsurpassed. From moral as well as from physical causes, the Highlanders were well fitted to attain this pre-eminence.
"In forming his military character, the Highlander was not more favoured by nature than by the social system under which he lived. Nursed in poverty, he acquired a hardihood which enabled him to sustain severe privations. As the simplicity of his life gave vigour to his body, so it fortified his mind. Possessing a frame and constitution thus hardened, he was taught to consider courage as the most honourable virtue, cowardice the most disgraceful failing; to venerate and obey his chief, and to devote himself for his native country and clan; and thus prepared to be a soldier, he was ready to follow wherever honour and duty called him. With such principles, and regarding any disgrace he might bring on his clan and district as the most cruel misfortune, the Highland private soldier had a peculiar motive to exertion. The common soldier of many other countries has scarcely any other stimulus to the performance of his duty than the fear of chastisement, or the habit of mechanical obedience to command, produced by the discipline in which he has been trained. With a Highland soldier it is otherwise. When in a national or district corps, he is surrounded by the companions of his youth and the rivals of his early achievements; he feels the impulse of emulation strengthened by the consciousness that every proof which he displays, either of bravery or cowardice, will find its way to his native home. He thus learns to appreciate the value of a good name; and it is thus, that in a Highland regiment, consisting of men from the same country, whose kindred and connexions are mutually known, every individual feels that his conduct is the subject of observation, and that, independently of his duty as a member of a systematic whole, he has to sustain a separate and individual reputation, which will be reflected on his family, and district or glen. Hence he requires no artificial excitements. He acts from motives within himself; his point is fixed, and his aim must terminate either in victory or death. The German soldier considers himself as a part of the military machine, and duly marked out in the orders of the day. He moves onward to his destination with a well-trained pace, and with as phlegmatic indifference to the result as a labourer who works for his daily hire. The courage of the French soldier is supported in the hour of trial by his high notions of the point of honour; but this display of spirit is not always steady. A Highland soldier faces his enemy, whether in front, rear, or flank; and if he has confidence in his commander, it may be predicted with certainty that he will be victorious or die on the ground which he maintains. He goes into the field resolved not to disgrace his name. A striking characteristic of the Highlander is, that all his actions seem to flow from sentiment. His endurance of privation and fatigue,—his resistance of hostile opposition,—his solicitude for the good opinion of his superiors,—all originate in this source, whence also proceeds his obedience, which is always most conspicuous when exhibited under kind treatment. Hence arises the difference observable between the conduct of one regiment of Highlanders and that of another, and frequently even of the same regiment at different times, and under different management. A Highland regiment, to be orderly and well disciplined, ought to be commanded by men who are capable of appreciating their character, directing their passions and prejudices, and acquiring their entire confidence and affection. The officer to whom the command of Highlanders is intrusted must endeavour to acquire their confidence and good opinion. With this view, he must watch over the propriety of his own conduct. He must observe the strictest justice and fidelity in his promises to his men, conciliate them by an attention to their dispositions and prejudices, and, at the same time, by preserving a firm and steady authority, without which he will not be respected.
"Officers who are accustomed to command Highland soldiers find it easy to guide and control them when their full confidence has been obtained; but when distrust prevails severity ensues, with a consequent neglect of duty, and by a continuance of this unhappy misunderstanding, the men become stubborn, disobedient, and in the end mutinous. The spirit of a Highland soldier revolts at any unnecessary severity; though he may be led to the mouth of a cannon if properly directed, will rather die than be unfaithful to his trust. But if, instead of leading, his officers attempt to drive him, he may fail in the discharge of the most common duties."
A learned and ingenious author, who, though himself a Lowlander, had ample opportunity, while serving in many campaigns with Highland regiments, of becoming intimately acquainted with their character, thus writes of them:-
"The limbs of the Highlander are strong and sinewy, the frame hardy, and of great physical power, in proportion to size. He endures cold, hunger, and fatigue with patience; in other words, he has an elasticity or pride of mind which does not feel, or which refuses to complain of hardship. The air of the gentleman is ordinarily majestic; the air and gait of the gilly is not graceful. He walks with a bended knee, and does not walk with grace, but his movement has energy; and between walking and trotting, and by an interchange of pace, he performs long journeys with facility, particularly on broken and irregular ground, such as he has been accustomed to traverse in his native country.
"The Highlanders of Scotland, born and reared under the circumstances stated, marshalled for action by clans, according to ancient usage, led into action by chiefs who possess confidence from an opinion of knowledge, and love from the influence of blood, may be calculated upon as returning victorious, or dying in the grasp of the enemy.
"Scotch Highlanders have a courage devoted to honour; but they have an impetuosity which, if not well understood, and skillfully directed, is liable to error. The Scotch fight individually as if the cause were their own, not as if it were the cause of a commander only,—and they fight impassioned. Whether training and discipline may bring them in time to the apathy of German soldiers, further experience will determine; but the Highlanders are even now impetuous; and, if they fail to accomplish their object, they cannot be withdrawn from it like those who fight a battle by the job. The object stands in their own view; the eye is fixed upon it; they rush towards it, seize it, and proclaim victory with exultation.
"The Highlander, upon the whole, is a soldier of the first quality; but, as already said, he requires to see his object fully, and to come into contact with it in all its extent. He then feels the impression of his duty through a channel which he understands, and he acts consistently in consequence of the impression, that is, in consequence of the impulse of his own internal sentiment, rather than the external impulse of the command of another; for it is often verified in experience that, where the enemy is before the Highlander and nearly in contact with him, the authority of the officer is in a measure null; the duty is notwithstanding done, and well done, by the impulses of natural instinct.
"Their conduct in the year 1745 proves very distinctly that they are neither a ferocious nor a cruel people. No troops ever, perhaps, traversed a country which might be deemed hostile leaving so few traces of outrage behind them as were left by the Highlanders in the year 1745. They are better known at the present time than they were then, and they are known to be eminent for honesty and fidelity, where confidence is given them. They possess exalted notions of honour, warm friendships, and much national pride."
Of the disinclination from peaceful employment, and propensity for war here spoken of, Dr Jackson elsewhere affords us a striking illustration. While passing through the Isle of Skye ("The Isle of Skye has, within the last forty years, furnished for the public service, twenty-one lieutenant-generals and major-generals, forty-five lieutenant-colonels; six hundred majors, captains, lieutenants, and subalterns; ten thousand foot soldiers; one hundred and twenty pipers ; four governors of British colonies; one governor-general; one adjutant-general; one chief-baron of England; and one judge of the Supreme Court of Scotland. The generals may be classed thus :—eight Macdonalds, six Macleods, two Macallisters, two Macaskills, one Mackinnon, one Elder, and one Macqueen. The Isle of Skye is forty-five miles long, and about fifteen in mean breadth. Truly the inhabitants are a wonderous people. It may be mentioned that this island is the birth-place of Cuthullin, the celebrated hero mentioned in Ossian’s Poems. "—Inverness Journal). in the autumn of 1783, he met a man of great age whose shoulder had, through a recent fall, been dislocated. This condition was speedily rectified by our traveller. "As there seemed to be something rather uncommon about the old man, I asked if he had lived all his life in the Highlands? No :—he said he made one of the FORTY-SECOND when they were first raised; then had gone with them to Germany; but when he had heard that his Prince was landed in the North, he purchased, or had made such interest that he procured his discharge; came home, and enlisted under his banner. He fought at Culloden, and was wounded. After everything was settled, he returned to his old regiment, and served with it till he received another wound that rendered him unfit for service. He now, he said, lived the best way he could, on his pension."
Dr Jackson also strongly advocates the desirability of forming national and district regiments, and of keeping them free from any foreign intermixture. Such a policy seems to be getting more and more into favour among modern military authorities; and we believe that at the present time it is seldom, and only with reluctance, that any but Scotchmen are admitted into Scotch, and especially into Highland regiments, at least this is the case with regard to privates. Indeed, it is well known that in our own country there is even now an attempt among those who manage such matters, to connect particular regiments with certain districts. Not only does such a plan tend to keep up the morale respectability and esprit de corps of each regiment, but is well calculated to keep up the numbers, by establishing a connection between the various regiments and the militia of the districts with which they are connected. Originally each Highland regiment was connected and raised from a well defined district, and military men who are conversant in such matters think that it would be advisable to restore these regiments to their old footing in this respect.
On this subject, we again quote the shrewd remarks of Dr Jackson:—
"If military materials be thrown together promiscuously—that is, arranged by no other rule except that of size or quantity of matter, as it is admitted that the individual parts possess different propensities and different powers of action, it is plain that the instrument composed of these different and independent parts has a tendency to act differently; the parts are constrained to act on one object by stimulation or coercion only.
"Military excellence consists, as often hinted, in every part of the instrument acting with full force—acting from one principle and for one purpose; and hence it is evident that in a mixed fabric, composed of parts of unequal power and different temper, disunion is a consequence, if all act to the full extent of their power; or if disunion be not a consequence, the combined act must necessarily be shackled, and, as such, inferior, the strong being restrained from exertion for the sake of preserving union with the weak.
"The imperfection now stated necessarily attaches to regiments composed of different nations mixed promiscuously. It even attaches, in some degree, to regiments which are formed indiscriminately from the population of all the districts or counties of an extensive kingdom. This assumption, anticipated by reasoning, is confirmed by experience in the military history of semi-barbarous tribes, which are often observed, without the aid of tactic, as taught in modern schools, to stick together in danger and to achieve acts of heroism beyond the comprehension of those who have no knowledge of man but as part of a mechanical instrument of war. The fact has numerous proofs in the history of nations; but it has not a more decisive one than that which occurred in the late SEVENTY-FIRST REGIMENT in the revolutionary war of America. In the summer of the year 1779, a party of the Seventy-first Regiment, consisting of fifty-six men and five officers, was detached from a redoubt at Stoneferry, in South Carolina, for the purpose of reconnoitring the enemy, which was supposed to be advancing in force to attack the post. The instructions given to the officer who commanded went no further than to reconnoitre and retire upon the redoubt. The troops were new troops,—ardent as Highlanders usually are. They fell in with a strong column of the enemy (upwards of two thousand) within a short distance of the post; and, instead of retiring according to instruction, they thought proper to attack, with an instinctive view, it was supposed, to retard progress, and thereby to give time to those who were in the redoubt to make better preparations for defence. This they did; but they were themselves nearly destroyed. All the officers and non-commissioned officers were killed or wounded, and seven of the privates only remained on their legs at the end of the combat. The commanding officer fell, and, in falling, desired the few who still resisted to make the best of their way to the redoubt. They did not obey. The national sympathies were warm. National honours did not permit them to leave their officers in the field; and they actually persisted in covering their fallen comrades until a reinforcement arrived from headquarters.
In the narratives which follow, we have confined ourselves strictly to those regiments which are at the present day officially recognised as Highland. Many existing regiments were originally Highland, which, as our readers will see, had ultimately to be changed into ordinary line regiments, from the difficulty of finding Highlanders willing to enlist; the history of such regiments we have followed only so long as they were recognised as Highland, and in the event of their again becoming Highland regiments—as in the case of the 73rd and 75th—their history is resumed at that point. In this way the existing strictly Highland regiments are reduced to eleven— The Black Watch or 42nd, the 71st, 72nd, 73rd, 74th, 75th, 77th, 78th, 79th, 91st, 92nd, 93rd.
OMG! Still no Austria???
Only three factions left and at least one is Indian!
Already there are too few factions, I see.
I am sure we will manage to open them but it will be more than unlocking as they are nonplayable in the standard game. It may also be hoped that some ambitious and industrious soul could flesh them out in a more proper manner than just generic units.
Nice find Mailman!
Poland-Lithuania
Poland is an old idea, and an old kingdom. Like anything old, it has old enmities and problems.
The problems, and enmities, are those of any state surrounded by ambitious rivals, all of whom are looking to become stronger at someone else’s expense. Sweden’s ambitions to create an empire around the Baltic; Tsar Peter’s desires to make Russia a great European power to rival the style of Bourbon France; the Austrians and Prussians each seeking to define a greater Germany and secure their borders; even the distant Ottomans have to be considered, should they ever launch a new assault on Christian Europe. And in the middle of all of this, a Polish-Lithuanian state that is not under the control of a single, strong ruler, a man who can impose his will to defend his people. Instead, Poland is something altogether stranger: a land where the people have a say in government.
That the country has survived at all is a tribute to the spirit of its people.
And yet, these rivalries could be turned to advantage. A Polish leader who picked his alliances carefully, and his wars equally so, could do much to make his country great. The Russians have no divine right to dominate the steppes, or the Swedes to control the Baltic. The various Germans states need allies, the same as other nations, and cannot expect to take anything they want without a struggle. A clever Polish leader could make much of this situation, if he can manage the hopes, expectations and fears of his people at home.
I wouldn't get worried just yet. I'm confident that Austria are a playable faction, they just haven't been revealed yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fisherking
There are still three factions left, one is an Indian faction and one is either the US or Portugal. That still leaves a slot for Austria to be on the list. I can't think of any other faction who are more deserving or more likely.
Notice that all of the factions mentioned as Polish rivals above have been confirmed playable except Austria. Since Austria is included with all those other factions we can take that as evidence it will be playable.
Patience my friend. Austria will be confirmed soon enough. :beam: