With my right hand's index finger, of course! I'd been suggesting Yaropolk as mafia since my 'lynch', and even when he argued against it, I didn't believe him.
I'll concede that I never suspected Methos, though.
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With my right hand's index finger, of course! I'd been suggesting Yaropolk as mafia since my 'lynch', and even when he argued against it, I didn't believe him.
I'll concede that I never suspected Methos, though.
So, mafia victory. Congratulations Methos and Yaropolk.
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The game was set up with three townies, a cop, a tracker, a normal mafia, and a poisoner. This could have a variety of outcomes, as the tracker was inherently weak against the poisoner, who killed the night after he sent the order in to me. I was hoping for a situation where the Cop was bumped off, and the town was having to rely on the tracker's info to sniff out the poisoner; which is exactly what happened. I actually cackled when random.org designated ATPG to be the cop, as I knew he would die immediately.
That said, the mafia were far from guaranteed victory. The mafia were able to operate independently if they wished, but I left notes in their PM's telling them that they should work together. They missed each others cues though (I don't think Methos laid any, although I think that was because I worded the pm badly), so they both sent me PM's telling me to kill ATPG! I got round that problem by having him killed by brandy, a consumable, and I left some really subtle clues in the write up (E.g. I said the brandy was a gift; gift in German means poison).
However, Methos was luckily tracked by TM who nailed him in the day phase (ATPG investigated TM; he was innocent, obviously). Whilst Methos' attempt to break free was impressive, it nearly cost the mafia the game, as he accused Yaropolk of being mafia, and he had the evidence to prove it. However, you townies seemed to forget about that when the next phase came along.
After that, Yaropolk had basically checkmated you. TM investigated Yaropolk, found him visiting his room (I spent ages trying to think how to word that PM as neutrally as possible), and concluded that he was a doctor, even though there was no previous evidence that he was. And, well, you know the rest.
I felt this game was really well balanced, as a few changes in the plan would have resulted in a totally different outcome. But both sides did really well considering the odds against both of them, and a hearty congratulations to everyone who took part. Thanks for playing.
And I finished the game early, as after the lynching of Cent a town victory was impossible, although technically the poisoning of TM should have happened tomorrow morning.
Wait a second... did Yaro poison either of us?
Because if he didn't, then we won. Maybe?
edit: wait nevermind, saw your post.
Couldn't I strangle him with my garrote tie?
Fish knife > Bow tie
Ah come on, my character's the forefather of the butler stereotype!
'Sides, Edgar got owned by a bunch of cats and a mouse.
His only weakness is cats. You have no cats. Ergo, he kills you, in a horrible, horrible fashion.
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I feel that's where the town came unstuck, really. No matter the game, people are just going to gravitate towards Pizza and investigate, roleblock or kill him. This, and my own 'lynch', stacked things against the town as they were basically two down by the second day phase. And as Pizza's reasoning showed, the three townies were always going to have alot of trouble taking two mafia down from there onwards.Quote:
I actually cackled when random.org designated ATPG to be the cop, as I knew he would die immediately.
I never fell for that personally, but I was dead, beyond saying "I suspect Yaropolk", there wasn't really much more I could contribute. My arguments weren't really going to carry much weight, and seemed largely ignored anyway.Quote:
However, you townies seemed to forget about that when the next phase came along.
I feel that the game was well balanced, to an extent. I feel that giving Pizza a role at the moment is tantamount to letting the opposite side win, and that while he keeps getting these roles, he's going to end up written out the game early on. I feel this is a shame, because games suffer when people like Pizza are killed/lynched.Quote:
I felt this game was really well balanced, as a few changes in the plan would have resulted in a totally different outcome. But both sides did really well considering the odds against both of them, and a hearty congratulations to everyone who took part.
Look at CDf's current Swords and D20s 3 game. Pizza was the main demon, and with him dead in the second day phase... well the town's basically won already. I'd have just made him a townie from the off and then randomised the other roles. In fairness, that's not really your fault, so don't worry too much about it.
I was also a bit 'meh' in regards to my lynch in the first round, but it happens. I can't honestly say that it would have changed the game (I may have suspected Yaropolk, but Methos went right below my radar), but who can say now?
I have to say that the poisoner idea, in that people targetted die on a later turn, was inspired, and is a feature I'd love to see more often. The roles looked fantastic (Jeeves! :D) and you'd clearly thought things through. I loved the writeups too. :3
Either way, I hope to see another mini-game from you in the future, I'll be certain to sign up.
Thanks. Looking back over it, a lot of the problems were circumstantial, such as your lynch (Sorry :shame:) and ATPG's position as the cop. Had those been different, it's impossible to say what the outcome might have been. I actually thought that there might be a double-bluff effect regarding ATPG, as people would think that there was no way someone like him could get another important role. It turns out I've actually spread Pizza Syndrome.
I have learnt from the mistakes and successes of my first game though (Which was the point of this game), and like I said, you're guaranteed a place anyway, due to my mess-up with the no lynch. And then, of course, there is ABZF in the summer...
Another Bad Zucking acromymF?
Check out my sig.
Both the lynch and Pizza's death aren't really your fault, there's no need to worry about them; they're just the aspects of the game that I feel changed everything. I blame the two mafia for targetting him straight away... :P
I look forward to ABZF too. :>
Oooooh explosions.
In.
Cunning Subotan, I like the idea of creating a role to combat my own, would happily join any of your future creations.
Well done for deceiving me Yaropolk... :shame:
Sorry town! I wasn't expecting anything as well, unexpected as that...
For those who paid attention on day 1 and clicked on my link, you would have known that Lurch killed Subotan :idea2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Yaropolk
That really helps, considering we didn't know who Lurch was.
You did after the lynch. And Methos should have definitely caught it, but alas no dice.
Another thing to add, if ATPG wasn't killed it would have been helpful as we could have worked together, mafia had unity where as we were all split from the starting blocks really. Very Good Game though.
Methos and I never connected - thats why the double kill on ATPG on N1, and then he was lynched.
I feel like an idiot. I went over the substance of my PM and the possible subtle clues, but missed the name of my character. I went up and down the link he posted trying to find anything regarding cats or the lost and reattachment of my hand. Man, I feel completely stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Subotan
The hilarious part, is no one else noticed it either after the lynch and my name was revealed.
The first day I wasn't sure what to leave as a clue, so I waited and came back later only to find the update had already happened. I'm used to CFC whereas the rule is no game posts during the night phase. After TM accused me I knew I was screwed and since typically everybody accused their accuser of lying, I decided to instead try a different tactic and agree to it and claim another role. Sometime around there Yaro sent me another PM about the cow and even though I missed the clue (my name) I figured he was telling me he was the other mafia. By that time I figured my role tactic wasn't working, so I accused Yaro and used the evidence in the thread. I figured if it worked, then I would look good as having caused the death of a mafia. I figured if it didn't, then I'd throw suspicion off Yaro, as it would appear like I was grasping for straws and chose Yaro due to an odd post.
I finally went with the dirty tactic of throwing a tantrum, which only caused me to toss out a couple PMs to non-players telling them to ignore it, as it was a play.
All in all, I did a horrible job this game. I must say I like the seven man games, as you have to pay closer attention to the posts. It was a fun game and I look forward to playing more. Too bad TM chose me that first night.
Regarding Pizza: I wasn't for sure who to kill that first night, especially knowing there was another mafia out there. I went with Pizza mainly because I thought it would keep suspicion off of me by doing so. Sorry Pizza.
As I mentioned above, Yaro worked either way for me. I honestly wasn't for sure if Yaro didn't have a goal to kill me, so I wasn't too worried if I did take him down in order to save myself.Quote:
Whilst Methos' attempt to break free was impressive, it nearly cost the mafia the game, as he accused Yaropolk of being mafia, and he had the evidence to prove it. However, you townies seemed to forget about that when the next phase came along.
Meh, the mini-games aren't so bad. I don't know why the mafia would ever leave me alive in a mini-game except to make the town think I am guilty.
Don't worry about it so much, Methos and Yaropolk; like I say as long as it quits happening every game or every other game when there's at least a half-dozen to several dozen other players who are also valid candidates.
good game subotan i never saw a poisoner coming. i originally suspected yaro but i never thought of something like that.