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cugel,
I'v sent fenirs units unedited


kaaskop,
did you download the bifs?

btw I'm glad you like my tounge in cheek description http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif

"but seriously great work i can't wait for the other 240 units "

I think I said the max was 290 excluding the mounts
and we started with 115 so we can "only" add
175 extra units.This might change with the expantion pack
but I doubt it.I hope this is finished before the expantion
but I doubt that too http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif

I'm still hoping the expantion pack will let us
rename the bifs also.

I'v had some problems with my main pc
so not much got done in the last few days http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/frown.gif
well of any use to you that is http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

Back to normal tomorrow I hope http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif

Rosacrux
Sweet, glad you got it working ok. Hopefully LK will have a look at the Pronoiai bif.

I tried to make the units as balanced as possible.
But they are still only excellent units in there time frame...eg: until the late High period.

After that they still have to contend with the more powerful knights, etc...

cugel
ummmm I checked, and I did send you the units. Same pplace I sent the early.txt file.


fenir http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif

[QUOTE]kaaskop,
did you download the bifs?

I've only found one bif file wich contains six bif all for cav, so the zulu's will be un armed for a little while longer http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/smile.gif . What bif file are you (insert diffecult english word here ,stars with r) too? .

Also I now have version 52 since its the newest version on the download section ,if there are any more recent units
I would to have them ......for playtesting of course :P

shadowrunt@hotmail.com

[QUOTE=[b]Quote[/b] (kaaskop @ Jan. 18 2003,10:09)]

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kaaskop,
did you download the bifs?

I've only found one bif file wich contains six bif all for cav, so the zulu's will be un armed for a little while longer http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/smile.gif . What bif file are you (insert diffecult english word here ,stars with r) too? .

Also I now have version 52 since its the newest version on the download section ,if there are any more recent units
I would to have them ......for playtesting of course :P

shadowrunt@hotmail.com

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http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Mt..._mod_Part2.zip

I think it's this one.

LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif

How about German "Landsknecht" pikemen ,The French had a particularly potent heavy cav the Compagnie d'ordonnance. or spanish mounted harquebusiers ,called "Hackbutters by the English . Maybe these are not in the scope of the game datewise I just thought they would be of interest.

WOW
you actually gave the zulu's their own unique weapons very nice indeed (too bad i can't find the worship smily)

Well i'm running out of stuff to complain about ,i hope i'm not too annoying http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/rolleyes.gif but for noobs like me who are just starting to mod it would be handy if you put the units in a 1.1 unit crusader pro.. file *slithers in dark corner in utter shame*

O.K lets try this quote thing again:

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Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] ] think I said the max was 290 excluding the mounts
and we started with 115 so we can "only" add
175 extra units.This might change with the expantion pack
but I doubt it.I hope this is finished before the expantion

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well i stand corrected ,when do we get the other 175 http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/tongue.gif

Well the quote almost worked http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/dizzy.gif

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Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] ]WOW
you actually gave the zulu's their own unique weapons

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This was to stop people like you complaining http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif

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Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] ]Well i'm running out of stuff to complain about ,i hope i'm not too annoying http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/rolleyes.gif but for noobs like me who are just starting to mod it would be handy if you put the units in a 1.1 unit crusader pro.. file *slithers in dark corner in utter shame*

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Well if your just starting to mod than this
would be a good thing to start with http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
Copy the new units and paste them
into Version1.1 http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
Your interest in our project does not annoy me
in the least. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
It's called feedback and I don't get enough of it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wink.gif

These units are still unbalanced and not really
sorted for campaignes yet, so having them in
another prod doesn't matter much at the moment.

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Quote[/b] ]well i stand corrected ,when do we get the other 175 http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/tongue.gif]

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Well last time I checked we had about 100
units on the wish list so I'll need some more suggestions
or better still other people sending the units they
made http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif(such as jagger and fenir and others)
so if anyone is modding their own units,
please send them to me.
So the only answers I can give at the moment is,
when they are finished http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/dizzy.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif

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Quote[/b] (The Sword Of Storms @ Jan. 20 2003,10:18)]How about German "Landsknecht" pikemen ,The French had a particularly potent heavy cav the Compagnie d'ordonnance. or spanish mounted harquebusiers ,called "Hackbutters by the English . Maybe these are not in the scope of the game datewise I just thought they would be of interest.

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They sound ok to me.
More background would be nice.

LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif

LK

Sounds like you need some feedback on your units. I got the 52 unit pack, and so far im impressed with it. Ive only played one campaign with them so far as the english. this is what ive found.

The Norman, Frankish and Spanish knights are quite good. Theyre strong early on in the game but the later you get the other units cactch up to them. Although the spanish knights are pretty fast for knights, not sure if you meant them to be this way.
The saxon fyrdmen, are one of my favourites so far, theyre a good early game unit, theyre not too powerful but their morale makes them a better alternative to spearman or peasants, they even better urban militia.
Welsh spearman are pretty good, as with the saxon fyrdmen, although ive only used them once in battle.
The Wessex Heavy Cav are very good. I like using them as theyre a bit better than Mounted seargents, and good enough even to take on knights if need be. but its a toss up who would win, i think the knights would just tip the balance their way.
Irsih footknights are cool, thyre like a better version of galloglass. once again theyre not too strong but a good alternative.
bonnacht spearman, are not much different to normal spearman, but i like to use them just to make my armies sound more english.
The housecarles are good havnet really seen them too much yet, i made them availible to only the danes and made them the royal units, but as i said havent been up against them too much.
zulu warriors are good theyre pretty strong and a good addition to the muslim factions, as i think they need some more strong units to make up for lack of good cav.
as for now thats all the units ive seen or used, will give more input when i have it.

As for more unit suggestions, how about a saxon mercenary unit, maybe a infantry unit using swords or axes. with good morale and a strong charge bonus, not sure how historical that is but to me it sounds fun and might add some more dyanmics to the game.
I might have some more unit suggestions tomorrow, id do them myself but have no clue at all how to do unit icons or anything like that, but i can do most of the unitprod stuff. Im thinking of starting a mod myself and will have a whole heap of units if you feel like helping with those i could give you a list of what i want and theyre stats, but if not no worries.

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Quote[/b] ]Your interest in our project does not annoy me
in the least.
It's called feedback and I don't get enough of it

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Then feedback you shall have:
The late-royal-foot-knight has floating longswords
and the light irish cav has no in battle bif just a black field

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Originally Posted by [b

Quote[/b] ]Well if your just starting to mod than this
would be a good thing to start with
Copy the new units and paste them
into Version1.1

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well i do know how to alter units and ad new ones ,like the serbia campain wich copy paste just fine .
But for some reason when i ad your units to an already existing script i get the "unknown unit in the deadpage coords" message wich i don't understand

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WOW
you actually gave the zulu's their own unique weapons


This was to stop people like you complaining

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HHhhhmmm ok
let me get this straight I whine you create ? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif
how about pot helmets for feudal foot and royalknights,
just like their pic shows and elephants , war chariots ,gazelle ehhrr no this isn't going to work http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wink.gif

copycat kaaskop http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif

To Lord Krazy I have some background on the "Landsknechte" Pikemen. The term "Landsknechte" translated means "servant of the country" and first began appearing in the German language in 1470 . The term applied to mercenary soldiers of the areas of Alsace , Baden Wurttemburg ,Austrian Tyrol ,and other areas of Northern Germany, These soldiers served under the Holy Roman Emperor Maximillian the 1st, Charles the 5th ,Ferdinand, and Maximillian the 2nd .Originally created by the "Father of Landsknechte" Maximillian the 1st , to uphold his claim to the Burgundian Legacy of the Netherlands . This was one reason for the Swabian alliance in 1487 , this alliance needed an army and so the "Landsknechte" were born . Afetr the siege of Stuhlweissenberg, Maximillian had his troops swear their allegiance to him and their cause, this event brought about the discipline and integrity that would mold the future Landsknechte .The new military force was closely modelled on the fierce and well trained halberdiers and pikemen of the Swiss Confederation. The Landsknechte were trained in large numbers and fast became the main body of mercenary armies throughout Europe .The Landsknechte army was , as it was , was a fearsome army to behold. Thousands of men wearing what would appear to be brightly colored rags and hats with many gaudy ,colored feathers .Their clothes being taken from fallen enemies did not always fit properly so began the slashing and tied together look of the Landsknechte (this look was later adopted by many nobles as a fashion trend)Landsknechte fought for food, money, beer and religion .They would not fight for enemies of the empire, and those who did were hunted down and killed with extreme perjudice The most notable was the "BlackBand" ann entire legion of Landsknechte led by George Langenmantel that joined the French at the battle of Pavia 1525 none of the 4,000 survived . As time passed the Landsknechte started to suffer from the lack of internal discipline,they started to sell their allegiance for a price and the army started to dwindle in number many sick or wounded .many falling victim to internal squabbles ,Maximillans original concept of the ultimate body of pikemen ,superior to the Swiss fell to the wayside with the passing of time and the development of firearms. The wild clothing disappeared by the second half of the 16th century and even the term 'Landsknechte" became obsolete. Now they were "Kaiserliche Fusknecht " Imperial foot soldiers, thus marked the end of oner of the most colorful periods of military history in Europe .

Hmm... didn't the Landsknechts utilize mostly the two-handed sword? I know I have an image of a Schwarzer Band Landsknecht somewhere chopping some heads with one of those beasties...

And didn't they usually fell prey to the Swiss Pikemen? They did in Padova (Pavia)

No the Landsknechte units main body consisted of pikemen consistent with Maximillians plan, and the Landsknechte wiped out at the battle of Pavia were turncoats a unit of 4,000 men called the "Blackband" led by George Langenmantel who decided to sell their allegiance to the French .And the variety of weapons used by other "Landsknechte" did include a large two handed sword called the "Zweihander" and was wielded by the "Doppelsoldner" or bottom troops so called because they were used to to fight in the front rank and were payed extra to charge enemy pike lines with their 66 inch long blade which in somecases was either double edged or undulating in the Kris style of blade these men were considered fearless as were the pikemen, who in one battle of note under Georg Von Frndsberg decimated some 3,000 plus swiss mercenaries who were trying newer weapons like the "arquebus" a qoute by Italian historian Guicciardini "The Swiss retreated to their mountain homes humbled to such a degree that for several years they did noy show theor accustomed vigor" So the true "Landsknechte" were true colorful characters , but indeed fierce and most feared warriors. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif P.S. At the Battle of Pavia in 1525 the Swiss Mercenaries hired by Francis the 1st broke ranks and ran from the field, a result of siege warfare which the Swiss hated, and also poor conditions and lack of pay .

how about sword&buckler inf ?
they have been used for centuries but became popular after
1300
for instance: the Flemish used them at courtrai and their equipment consisted of chainhauberk longsword and buckler.
altough at the end of the 14th century this unit type became anti pike. The most famous of these where the spanish infantery of gonsalvo de gordova of whom machiavelli wrote a short phrase: "When they came to engage, the Swiss pressed so hard on their enemy with their pikes, that they soon opened their ranks; but the Spaniards, under the cover of their bucklers, nimbly rushed in upon them with their swords, and laid about them so furiously, that they made a very great slaughter of the Swiss, and gained a complete victory"
These guys used short thrusting swords and bucklers, wore steel caps, breast and back plates.
if you need more info ask

Flemish "Goedendag" milita
the goedendag was a twohanded club with a iron with a spike on it ,good against armor i guess.
By the way goedendag roughly translates in
"have a nice day" http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif