Unification of the Isles: Britannia Hotseat (completed, winners Myth and Zim)

Igno you're up in Frozen North, you should play your turn before it gets skipped.

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Ireland up.

King John, the Kingdom of Ireland finds itself in a precarious position. We do not truly wish to be yuor enemy for all eternity, but we also cannot stand by while you destroy the Kingdom of Wales. You have demanded that we lift the siege upon Caernarvon, when you have stolen this place from the Welsh. We have one final offer to make, if refused, we shall have no choice but to continue our current course of action and return Caernarvaron to Wales by force.

Make peace with the Welsh. This peace shall return all provinces to their original owner on both sides, Caernarvaron included. Ireland is determined to ensure the nationhood of all involved, and this is the only way we will be satisfied. I must hear what delegates from both Wales and England say to this before my King will proceed with further action.

This is agreeable. Llywelyn is currently occupying York with a small force and he will be put to death shortly. We will agree to these terms only if Llywelyn the raider submits to the King's justice, as he was the first one to cross the border and raid and pillage across England.

Those terms are unacceptable. The Welsh will only agree to hand Llywelyn over if the entire English royal family commits suicide.

It seems Wales cares naught for peace or righting the wrongs they committed. Do you still intend to directly aid them in this war Brian King, after your explicit word that you would not interfere was given not long ago?

I do not think it is fair to demand the death of King Llwelyn, after all, what right minded ruler would kill himself as part of an agreement?

King Llywelyn shall go free but Wales must pay a sum of money for starting the war instead. Is that agreeable?

That is indeed agreeable. A tribute of 2500 gold marks for the next 10 seasons, and we restore all English settlements to England, while England returns Caernavernon and agrees to stay behind her borders.

So you want a total of 25,000 right?
I'm not sure wales is capable of 2500 each turn though and may be unable to meet that sum, so you may have to accept slightly less, I do not think it is an unreasonable sum however. you shall have to work that out with the Welsh king though.

The Welsh refuse to be held responsible for this war.

We threw off the yoke of the late King Henry due to his colonisation of the Marcher lordships in southern Wales. At the very least, Cardiff must be confirmed to us.

Secondly, we do not trust the English to keep their word and cease from attacking us. We are willing to make peace as long as we England cedes us Gloucester and Shrewsbury. Considering the position we hold within England, that is more than fair.

BTW, I understand that these negotiations are important, but we need to make sure the game doesn't stall.

Nay Welshman. Ye have put people to the sword and looted across England, and twisting words about shall not change the truth. We will not accept these terms and the war shall continue to the bitter end if that be your final proposition.

Brian King, your intentions are good but it is clear there can be no peace between England and Wales. You must now choose a side or sail back for Ireland.

Wales up,
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I was only going to let the debate go on for my 48 hour turn limit anyway.

I'll let the tension over my decision wait a little longer. :)

Norway-Scotland!

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Sorry for the wait. Work's been killing me. I'll get this tonight.

England.

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Norway is flattered that the academics of the Isles count it the most powerful nation by a hair's breadth, but wonder if perhaps they have been dipping to much into their mead stocks. We note that the current crisis may in some ways solve itself. If the Welsh king falls to English swords in the near future then that apparently unacceptable portion of the terms would be gone and England would need no money, having its revenge. If he doesn't fall, I half expect to hear he has conquered the bulk of the Isles within a few seasons. Either way the Norse taverns will be ringing with tales of him. The man has gained a fearsome reputation that Haakon can only hope to match.

He has reputation, but he lacks troops and supplies. We are pragmatic about this - we cannot match him in a fair battle. But we won't give him one. Ireland up. Igno I defeated the small force that had been besieging Lancaster, and they retreated to the stone fort to the North. They can't move next turn.

wales up!
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Originally Posted by Myth

He has reputation, but he lacks troops and supplies. We are pragmatic about this - we cannot match him in a fair battle. But we won't give him one. Ireland up. Igno I defeated the small force that had been besieging Lancaster, and they retreated to the stone fort to the North. They can't move next turn.

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Noted. :book:

How very Fabian of you Myth :)

Another fabian myth...

Norway-Scotland!

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BTW Guys I will be away from today until the 25th. Bear with me just a tad please, it's a 4 day holiday here and I have to go see my cousin off to prom. If you can't wait just have Zim sub me.

England. All that work for Glasgow and it's worthless. Small population and maybe one building.

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Ireland.

wales!
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Hey how about some friendly exchange of information in the OOC? What's happening outside our little cage match with Wales?

On this side things are on a stalemate. England is besieging Gloucester with about two stacks worth of units and will hopefully be able to kill the full stack guarding the castle. Wales has another full stack that is unfortunately soon going to be lead by Llywelyn which means it could go either way when he storms Nottingham. If he gets the jump on the English forces with Night Fighter he can pick them off since they will sustain casualties after the assault on Gloucester castle. If they can assault his position united they will be bale to push him back and retake Nottingham.

Wales also has a boat full of some troops that will probably try to grab some undefended settlements. York rebelled back to English hands and spawned some lowly militia troops and a man of the hour promotion after some minor victory.

Ireland is besieging Lancaster with one and a half full stacks and probably has Caernavernon garrisoned with at least 8 or 10 units (depends if they exterminated or looted).

What else is going on?

I just took a very worthless Glasgow. Laughable population, no buildings built. Otherwise Norway has been enjoying an economic boom, even with so much recruitment having been needed to finish off conquering Scotland.

Interesting, why is Ireland besieging an even more worthless Lancaster (looted to oblivion and with half it's buildings damaged by the looting) instead of guarding it's island?