Re: Current phase: Day Three
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Originally Posted by
seireikhaan
What the heck is a "Very gentle vote"? He voted visor immediately after the reveal. Starting a possible bandwagon is neither gentle, nor a place that doesn't generate suspicion. If it didn't generate suspicion, why are you so suspicious of it? :laugh4:
But it didn't generate any suspicion until he retracted it and made the 'fishing' claim, and even then it was only from me, with Csargo eventually joining me. Nobody else seems to have had any suspicions about him. And I'm not at all surprised. Posting the first vote on Visor was never likely to draw suspicion, especially when couched in the half-jokey, half-confused terms that GH used. And, as we saw, it was an accusation with a preplanned excuse behind it, the only problem being that, if you look at it with any kind of critical eye, the excuse doesn't actually fit the accusation.
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Originally Posted by
seireikhaan
For which you have also failed to provide a mafia justification- rather, you are simply parroting "he talked in private, that is bad". Wanting not to be lynched is an admirable quality of townies as well.
Cosying up to third parties whilst posting 'fishing' accusations with no bait and a ready-made excuse at the ready is not even close to townie play in my book.
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Originally Posted by
seireikhaan
He was already shaping up to be the game's #1 non-visor lynch... when GH lodged the first vote of anyone to him. Right.
I'd already given BSmith a nudge that he needed to come out more decisive. I could see it was going to get him lynched, sooner or later, but I also recognised that it probably meant he was town.
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Originally Posted by
seireikhaan
So let me get this straight. You think GH, as a mafia, sent a PM to someone who he would know is innocent, saying he was fishing and would switch later... which is exactly what he did. What exactly does a mafioso gain from putting himself out like that on day 1? How bad at this game do you think GH is?
I don't think he's bad. I think he's very good, and has managed to fool nearly everyone here into giving him a free pass, despite the fact that he's not making any real effort to find the villains.
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Originally Posted by
seireikhaan
And I think you confuse "concise" with "hedged". Hedged is what Bsmith was doing(and why he got lynched). One does not need a Pizzaguy thesis to fish.
No, but one needs something substantive or provocative to act as bait. GH's accusation of Visor has nothing for a passing fish to go for, bar the sheer fact of the vote. And, let's be clear, posting the first vote on someone who's absolutely guaranteed to catch votes is the very opposite of provocative. It's the single best place to hide.
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seireikhaan
You want scumhunting, I suggest you try it. Instead of basing your argument on "did x, x is bad because reasons", try basing it on experiences.
In my experience, optimal scum play is entirely situational - the key thing is to tailor it to the audience. And I can quite believe that that's what GH has been doing here, as evidenced by the fact that nobody but me is voting for him, even though last night's kill has picked him as suspect once again this morning.
Indeed, seeing the Csargo kill, I bet most people's first thought was 'GH wouldn't be crazy enough to implicate himself like that'. Any notion of the kill implicating him is so bound up in WIFOM that it actually ends up making his lynch less likely. For that reason, whilst it can't be taken as any evidence of GH's guilt, the Csargo kill would be evidence of skilled play on the part of ScumGH.
Anyhow, that's me done for the day. Best guess, I'm probably getting lynched here. If GH really is scum, then I seem to have made a right old mess of this. I don't know why, but my town game seems to work fine everywhere else I play, but here at the org it just falls flat. Still, it's been fun, especially these last exchanges with khaan, so thanks for that. ~:wave:
Re: Current phase: Day Three
Morning everybody. Fun little argument to wake up to. :coffeenews:
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Winston Hughes
In my experience, optimal scum play is entirely situational - the key thing is to tailor it to the audience. And I can quite believe that that's what GH has been doing here, as evidenced by the fact that nobody but me is voting for him, even though last night's kill has picked him as suspect once again this morning.
Indeed, seeing the Csargo kill, I bet most people's first thought was 'GH wouldn't be crazy enough to implicate himself like that'. Any notion of the kill implicating him is so bound up in WIFOM that it actually ends up making his lynch less likely. For that reason, whilst it can't be taken as any evidence of GH's guilt, the Csargo kill would be evidence of skilled play on the part of ScumGH.
Right now I think you've caught a bad case of confirmation bias. Take a step back, look at it from other angles, because you're twisting everything that's happened to suit your version of a story. For example, I wasn't aware that arguing for a lynch based off who was or wasn't killed was still in style.
Or it could be because you're a mafioso and feel "committed" to the cause of my lynch. I know I've certainly had that happen before, where I haven't been able to back down.
Re: Current phase: Day Three
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Originally Posted by
landlubber
I remember you being the quiet type, so I'm not all that surprised, but I really thought you'd have suspicions on someone, anyone. We've got a lot to work with here. Still, I don't have very good reason to think JHT scum, and I'd like to think he'd put up more of a fight as mafia.
But if I posted more to defend myself when mafia, surely that would be a very obvious scumtell? ~;)
FWIW, Winston seems to be pushing his very flimsy case very strongly. Scum don't do that.
Often.
I'm going to stick with my Vote: Monty
Re: Current phase: Day Three
Well whadda ye know, I'm back before EOD. Been drinkin' Kwak for nine hours, though, so the coherence forecast is on the bleak side...
Re: Current phase: Day Three
Alright, here's my perspective on things:
To me, landlubber seems almost certainly town, which I suspect is not a particularly controversial sentiment. However, after him I'd consider GH to be the least scummy. I feel like his PMing Visorslash doesn't really tell us anything about his alignment, but his posts since make me think he is town, and I don't find his townie explanation for the message to be particularly implausible.
Of the remainder, I've done a complete 180 with respect to Winston since D1 - he's giving me similar vibes of townie analysis to landlubber. jht, I...have absolutely nothing on. Montmorency feels a little off to me, but I acknowledge that I might be a little biased here due to his attack on me. Finally, 'khaan, who I've been at least a little suspicious of for the whole game, and who I probably would have ended up voting for today. Unfortunately he had to go and post a highly convincing argument against Winston that was nearly enough to change my mind on him, and at any rate lowered 'khaan on my mafia scale a bit.
tl;dr: Montmorency and sereikhaan are the two people I find individually most suspicious (with jht taking third essentially by default).
vote: Montmorency
Partly because he's the most scummy of the contenders, and partly because I want to see how the votes move in a tiebreaker round.
Re: Current phase: Day Three
Clearly I'm barking up the wrong tree with GH. Everyone thinks he's cool, so I must be wrong.
Monty PM'd me to tell me to vote for Ishmael. No idea what to make of that.
I wish I was sober right now.
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Aaaaand Ishmael is snuggling me towards a Monty vote.
Full bore paranoia here.
Re: Current phase: Day Three
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Originally Posted by
Winston Hughes
Clearly I'm barking up the wrong tree with GH. Everyone thinks he's cool, so I must be wrong.
Monty PM'd me to tell me to vote for Ishmael. No idea what to make of that.
I wish I was sober right now.
That actually sounds worryingly like town Monty.
Re: Current phase: Day Three
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Originally Posted by
Ishmael
That actually sounds worryingly like town Monty.
If you're scum, that's a very neat response. Really ballsy.
