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Montmorency
It's certainly a matter of sexism if you have a special class of behaviors just for 'female romantic interest'. But for now simply ask her what she wants, or how she feels about each issue.
Just imagine this: every time when occasion comes asking her "Do you want me to hold a door open for you?", "Would you be offended if I helped you on with your coat?", "Should I give you a hand to help you out from the bus?", "Will you be mad if I carry heavy bags for you?". You will make a perfect picture of a very unconfident bore. Or, to avoid asking them every now and then, do you suggest giving her a list of such questions and having her tick the boxes so you should know beforehand what to do in every particular situation?
In Ukraine you don't ask about such things - you do them, otherwise the girl will consider you a boor.
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Fragony
That famous Dutch split doesn't exist irl
Oh, those Dutch uncles! :no:
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Gilrandir
Oh, those Dutch uncles! :no:
hey that's just me
That 'going Dutch' always kinda amuses me, reality is that the Dutch really don't go Dutch, you will have a miserable time here if you try. For hilarity, we call that stuff Americans call 'going Dutch' going American here
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Gilrandir
Just imagine this: every time when occasion comes asking her "Do you want me to hold a door open for you?", "Would you be offended if I helped you on with your coat?", "Should I give you a hand to help you out from the bus?", "Will you be mad if I carry heavy bags for you?". You will make a perfect picture of a very unconfident bore. Or, to avoid asking them every now and then, do you suggest giving her a list of such questions and having her tick the boxes so you should know beforehand what to do in every particular situation?
In Ukraine you don't ask about such things - you do them, otherwise the girl will consider you a boor.
Most of these you don't need to be doing as a general rule, so of course there's no need to ask.
If someone looks like they need help with bags, you should ask. At least notify them that you intend to help. But it can be relationship-dependent, if for example you share a destination or share the bags - so it would make sense for you to carry some.
If a woman thinks you're a boor for this, invite her to revise her expectations.
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Gilrandir
Just imagine this: every time when occasion comes asking her "Do you want me to hold a door open for you?", "Would you be offended if I helped you on with your coat?", "Should I give you a hand to help you out from the bus?", "Will you be mad if I carry heavy bags for you?". You will make a perfect picture of a very unconfident bore. Or, to avoid asking them every now and then, do you suggest giving her a list of such questions and having her tick the boxes so you should know beforehand what to do in every particular situation?
In Ukraine you don't ask about such things - you do them, otherwise the girl will consider you a boor.
And I vividly and painfully recall holding a door open for one lass in the early 80's...and having her step on my instep while asserting "I don't need YOUR help." Ah the joys of the old over-the-top feminist days.
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Seamus Fermanagh
And I vividly and painfully recall holding a door open for one lass in the early 80's...and having her step on my instep while asserting "I don't need YOUR help." Ah the joys of the old over-the-top feminist days.
I hold doors for men as well maybe that helps. I would force that chick into a marriage with a fat baron in France for diplomatical reasons geez bye princess bye. What is wrong with good manners I scream
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Fragony
That famous Dutch split doesn't exist irl
Or you just live on that side of the famous dutch split. ~;)
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Beskar
If they're talking about neutralising all the genders in the French nouns, then that would really simplify my French studies if it gets done.
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Beskar
Talk about taking things too far. I am really not aprociable for those who insist they aren't radicalised but come up with things like that
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Montmorency
Most of these you don't need to be doing as a general rule, so of course there's no need to ask.
Weren't it you who said
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Originally Posted by
Montmorency
But for now simply ask her what she wants, or how she feels about each issue.
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Originally Posted by
Montmorency
If someone looks like they need help with bags, you should ask. At least notify them that you intend to help. But it can be relationship-dependent, if for example you share a destination or share the bags - so it would make sense for you to carry some.
Not someone - we are discussing helping women. The ones that your are building relationship with.
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Montmorency
If a woman thinks you're a boor for this, invite her to revise her expectations.
... or move to a different country with different gender expectations.
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Beskar
Now it's about Bible and prayers as well - in different corners of the world.
http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/art...nt_news_id=973
https://www.catholic.org.nz/about-us...sive-language/
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Beskar
Why do people siding with "conservative values" always look like the sleezeballs from 1990s era family movies?
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I hope they don't make Bond a female. There's plenty of good action movies with female leads, why change one franchise just to placate women that aren't even the primary audience.
Milla Jovovich in the Resident Evil franchise is plenty good for my fix.
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Things like this makes me take the people who accused May of being Cameron's diversity hire more seriously.
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spmetla
I hope they don't make Bond a female. There's plenty of good action movies with female leads, why change one franchise just to placate women that aren't even the primary audience.
Milla Jovovich in the Resident Evil franchise is plenty good for my fix.
Oh these lips, she's quite beautiful. Movies are terrible though
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You wouldn't like it even if it were as good as No One Lives Forever?
Other than that it seems typically British, they already wanted to have a female Dr. Who.
Female Sherolina Holmes is next. It all started when they wanted to have a female king... ~;)
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Oh you know how to talk to me I adore No one lives Forever and it's protagonist. They may be fishing from the same pool as Cate and Bond are both very Brittish superspies but James Bond is just a different character
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a8117471.html
I wonder how they will figure out if the consent was worded clearly enough. Will they invite linguistic expertise? Anyway, it will be her word against his word in most cases. Who will the judge believe?
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It's Sweden, the judge will believe the immigrant that did it, and if it is a Swedish male the woman. Problems can't exist in Sweden they aren't allowed to exist
All Swedes secretly know that what I say is true
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Fragony
It's Sweden, the judge will believe the immigrant that did it, and if it is a Swedish male the woman. Problems can't exist in Sweden they aren't allowed to exist
All Swedes secretly know that what I say is true
The solution should be obvious: Give all immigrants citizenship upon entry.
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Husar
The solution should be obvious: Give all immigrants citizenship upon entry.
Entry for all in what exactly, in Sweden or in Swedish women. Ah well they won't mind and shouldn't mind, they run the place after all they shouldn't mind unwanted kilometers on the counter in the first place as they won't recognise where they are comming from because they have leftiist, Leftist isn't something you are it's something you have, especially in Sweden you can see what leftist can do to essential organs, they fail. Ugly dystopia to me but suit yourself Sweden, hoping for some very consentual sex tommorow without saying anything, all fine by me
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The brutal reality is that 100 very attractive women go for the same "first in industry" job. 90 refuse initial advances, 9 refuse more than a drink. One screws the brains out of the producer.
Guess which gets the job?
Possibly the same for some male roles but less in power would be interested.
If all women had refused and immediately gone to the police their career(s) would be over of course. But ends for some justify the means.
~:smoking:
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Two good articles on the case of Aziz Ansari. What he did may not have been criminal, but "bad sex" and aggressive disregard for women's participation is one of the most prominent symptoms of a culture of misogyny.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ed-opportunity
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This will only happen if we move beyond being reactively “sex positive” and recognize that human sexual interactions are not always clearcut: yes or no, good or bad, empowering or not, either assault and worth worrying about or technically consensual and therefore not at a problem.
https://www.vox.com/first-person/201...or-aziz-ansari
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The need for affirmative consent education shouldn’t be taken to imply that perpetrators of sexual violence are just hopelessly confused. Studies show that most rapists are perfectly aware their victims aren’t into what’s happening. And social science has also clearly demonstrated that men (and women!) are perfectly capable of understanding social cues, even ones where someone is saying “no” without using that actual word.
It’s impossible to know for sure what Ansari was thinking on the night in question, but this is a seasoned performer who knows how to read a crowd, and a “relationship expert” to boot. It strains credulity to imagine he truly thought she was excited about what was happening between them. What’s much more likely is that he didn’t care how she felt one way or the other and treated her boundaries as a challenge. Either way, his alleged behavior was dehumanizing.
Teaching affirmative consent does something profound: It shifts the acceptable moral standard for sex, making it much clearer to everyone when someone is violating that standard.
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