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[QUOTE=King Henry V]DA, that is a brilliant sig you have there! Can I be the Emperor? :evilgrin: ~:cheers:
Sure. You are certainly ugly enough. The problem is that you aren't mean enough looking.
Besides, don't you think this should be reserved for Emperor TosaInu?
Either way, here is a cookie for playing nice:
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It's still a work in progress, but what do you guys think of this one?
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Luke: What the hell is this creepy thing on my back?
YodaInu!
Papewaio
1. So is that it's not allowed - and if so what happens with solyspists comments? I'm not trying to be perverse and force the issue here, but are you speakign from your own point of view, or as a spokesman for the staff?
No apology necessary, I never took your comments personally, rather as explanatory comments on the situation.
As for New Zealanders, it depends on context, but in a broad way no I don't. I might make the joke if I am with people I know (explicitly) will not take offense.
2. Sounds good - I just wasn't sure because of the comments about old school styles etc.
3. In case of Village People bombardment, retaliation will occur.
Thanks for the answers.
Thanks DA!
I can just see what will happen next....
TosaInu will declare that all supporters of Prole be declared "Enemies of the Empire" and they will be banned by surprise. TosaInu, changing his name to the Emperor, will create a new corps: the .Orgtroopers, who will hunt down any whiff of rebellion. All clubs, no matter what political affiliation (except of course the We love the Emperor Club) will be closed, as will the watchtower. Solyspist will be made (after being horrifically injured in a bansitck duel with Proletariat) Commander-in-Chief of all the .Orgtroopers. Anyone even implying rebellion against the Emperor will be summarily tried and banned. Any jokes in the Frontroom about His Imperial Majesty will be dealed with accordingly.
Doesn't this sound a bit familiar?~D
You got it all wrong. He's "YodaInu". See above post for picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by King Henry V
Then who's the Emperor? Me!?
If I'd thought my position was going to be deemed illegitimate, I wouldn't have taken the time to express my opinion. I think my criticism of solypsist's actions for indirectly insulting patrons of the org was legitimate--his "ladies," comment in this thread, and the "special olympics" comment in the other thread. When I see a staff member behaving like this, and see a respected patron receive a Warning for calling him on it (granted, delivered in a similar wry, tongue-in-cheek manner), and then hear staff prattling on about enforcing etiquette more stringently, I can't help but roll my eyes and mutter a word that starts with "H" under my breath ... .Quote:
Originally Posted by Ser Clegane
Your post suggests that you have adopted a "one of the boys" mentality Ser Clegane, which is disappointing. In the past you have shown an advanced ability to see both sides of an issue, and speak to it with relative impartiality, focusing on resolution, and more often than not, succeeding. In this thread, this doesn't seem to be the case.
As for those who think this thread should be closed, I strongly disagree. We, the patrons, are the hearts and minds of this board (something staff would do well not to dismiss lightly when thinking about and acting on improving the board). What we think does and should matter. I have observed valued patrons quietly disappear in the past after threads like these concluded without a mutual sense of satisfaction, or at least, acceptance. Instead of closing the thread, perhaps the jokers could be redirected to another place to bandstand; I think the wacky humor distracts from the seriousness of what many of us are discussing. To those who pop in with seemingly indifferent (and from my point of view, pretty useless) comments--nothing is preventing you from reading elsewhere if our discussion is boring you. For some, this is a relatively serious matter.
Is it only me who has noticed a distinct difference in the depth of character of the average patron, the drop in the number of "interesting" patrons with "interesting" points of view, "interestingly" expressed? Certainly I am not the only one who has noticed the increase in petty squabblingly, and nonsensical horseplay that has become more prominent here over the last couple of years. Staff do well to ask how the org can be "improved." Perhaps better words would be "invigorated," or "revitalized." How indeed? Such brainstorming requires time and energy, as does putting ideas into words here on the board. When I consider contributing, the thought of being ignored, or judged "illegitimate," comes to mind, and the inspiration to share thoughts fades. Respect usually begets respect, and vice versa.
Ah, the Don Corleone of old has returned ~:). As it is my tendency to take comments at face value, I will now again have to be more careful in my reading. I was raising one eyebrow and then the other, until I remembered this aspect of his character. Thanks for keeping me on my toes.
Tokagure, how much more clear do they need to be? The moderators are right... or else. I'm starting to think Divinus is more right than he knows, having an honest discussion around these parts is quite frankly, a ridiculous venture. Soly is right. Tosa is right. Anything else is asking for a warning.
Sorry if you felt that I was considering your post to be "illegitimate", Toga but I think your are taking my post a bit unfairly out of context here.Quote:
Originally Posted by TogakureOjonin
ca. 50 people have been posting in this thread.
If I refer to "witchhunt" does that mean that I accuse all who have been posting here of having participated in it? No - obviously not.
I used the term "witchhunt" in my post on the second page on this thread (post #56 to be precise). To my knowledge you had not even posted in this thread until that point (and in a later post, #91, I clearly quoted the statement I was referring to as "witchhunt").
With regard to these statements I will not change my mind - they were meant to discredit a patron/moderator without anything to back it up.
This has been a long thread, so it would be good if replies would be interpreted in the context they were made in instead of creatings accusations and perceived insults were non have been made.
Thanks :bow:
Ser Clegane
Sorry Ser Clegane but I think TogakureOjonin has hit the nail on the head. If you think this is a witchhunt I dont know what to say to you. Again mods shouldnt handle posts that are directed at them IMO. In such cases maybe it would be better for Tosa to settle the issue or at least some other mod than the one who takes offense.
Please read the posts and quotes I mentioned in my post above - then please check at what point the discussion about the warning started.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Í think I pointed out clearly enough what I menat by witchhunt - putting my posts into a new context is slightly unfair, don't you think?
I guess this thread shows that the article about computers I posted in the Backroom was right: frequent computer use makes people socially insensitive and autistic.
Isn't it obvious that Ser Clegane and the other mods have to stick together, lest this board goes down in an atmosphere of mutual recrimination and blame games among moderators?
Isn't it obvious that Solypsist will, from now on, think twice before posting anything remotely inconsiderate or partial in the Backroom?
Do we need to press the same points over and over and over again?
Isn't it time to stop whining and get on?
No ~DQuote:
Isn't it obvious that Ser Clegane and the other mods have to stick together
Is it wrong to admit a mistake? Soly in general has always been a fair until this recent rucuss. Hes only human .A simple sorry from all or removing Prols warning would go a long way in calming things down.
Again if a mod should not give warings in a thread he is personally debating in on things he posted that are answered by another patron. Let another mod do it.
Right. And he has always been fun, too. I'm not sure he is human though -- I would go stark raving mad if I had to moderate the Backroom and I am surprised he hasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
Nevermind.
I personally think a lot of hyperbole has been taken in regrads to Solypsist's use of the term Banstick it was a heavy handed joke at its worse - and something I completely disregarded because it was not directed at anyone spefic nor at the community. Let Solypsist have his fun in how he moderates the backroom. As long as its not a crude joke or directed toward the community's personalities - absolutely no harm is done.
Impartiallity is a hard thing to maintain - especially given the nature of the backroom and the discussions that often happen in it. However when an event happens that shows that the moderator is not acting fairly - it should not be dismissed nor called a "witchhunt" in an attempt to defend the moderator. Now Ser Clegane calling the initially post and intent of this thread a "witchhunt" is not really that far off the mark - however the issue that has been brought forward into the discussion since its inception is not a matter of a "witchhunt" but what is the official policy of the .ORG as it relates to moderators and their rulings in threads that they are involved in the discussion in more then a polite conservation manner. Ie the moderator is actually in the middle of the discussion - with all the passion and emotion that the concept brings to the table.
What must be address by the moderators and Tosa is the method in which a moderator gives a warning to a patron for a discussion in which the moderator made the first breach of the forum rules. I have yet to see any moderator or for that matter Tosa address that issue to the community as a whole.
I am sure that the discussion is happening within the moderator channells and even with Tosa included - but given the nature of Solypsist actions regarding Prol's and her public showing of the warning - an explanation of policy in the manner is somewhat needed to the community as a whole.
out of context statement
Enough. This thread is getting too serious.
Solypyst's banstick:
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Oh so because I said something indifferent, that is not picking sides, my comment was useless?Quote:
Originally Posted by TogakureOjonin
I'm sorry I have to disagree. I think that this is the perfect place to be indifferent, that way you don't have anyone be angry. Most Philosophers have always sided on the side of calmness and indifference, except for the romantics(and Nietzsche) who believe that the passions should run high. One should take into acount the dangers of such a way of thinking. There are pros and cons in both, and I choose to select what mode I am in accordingly.
Maybe this discussion is simply beneath us indifferents, which is why we choose to not pick sides. Soly is the mod, and if he makes a decision it's his to make. I have been given god knows how many warnings, but I think I probably deserved the majority of them.
Plus saying that you are going to use the banstick(a hillarious expression) is not an indication that he would do so without a real reason.
I have grown tired of the right wing cheerleading in the backroom anyways. I respect that soly has not addressed any of you. I think he's above this kind of 'petty squabbling' as you put it.
indifference is as valid a point of view as any other. it's good for the "indifferents" to make their position known in the watchtower simply because it's important for the mods to be aware of the possibility that not everybody views this latest dust-up as the sign of a coming apocalypse.
i don't think only the whine/counter-whine crowds should hold so much sway, especially when it's only a few people to begin with.
that said, the hyperbolic sarcasm and florid despair being displayed here is good fun, so keep it up guys. ~:)
I HATE it when you do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
Not that I believe in fairness or anything, but has Prole's warning been removed, or has Soly been warned in turn? This has caused plenty of controversy, and considering how the properly-lodged complaints have been effective thus far, can no one see through the side-picking and nonsense posts to get down to the issue at hand?
It's not like I to recapitulate the events that have supposedly taken place and ended in Prole's warning. Could someone post a timeline devoid of bias and "rabble-rousing"?
Defenders of the throne:
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For Div. ~:cheers:
Somehow I doubt moderators can be warned, as such. It would be pretty silly for them to be able to edit other people's posts but not their own. At TWC, in the rare event we consider disciplinary action necessary, moderators are issued verbal reprimands (followed by removal from staff for repeat offenses).
Speaking of which, this whole thing really reminds me of this so far. A general outcry among the membership, followed by general defense of the accused by the staff. That ended in the staff demoting Crandar in disgrace―who knows what will happen here? (And Crandar incidentally was allowed back later when one of the staff who opposed his removal became admin, and then he proceeded to pose as the admin who brought him back and ban his enemies and vandalize their accounts when he was only supposed to be helping out with security issues. Fun stuff, TWC is good for massive dramas.)
Prole's warning must have been removed; she is able to edit her posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeonGod
Dosent it take a few points to loose your editing ability. I doubt she recieved very many for that post.Quote:
Prole's warning must have been removed; she is able to edit her posts.
Yea! You havent left completely. Please dont! :embarassed:Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
Nevermind.
We lived with solypsis's _________, and his toltal lack of any __________, for a long time before you joined. Its hard to ignore such a _________, but you get used to it.
I for one really enjoy reading what you have to say, and I wager a lot more people do to. Dont let his _________ drive you away.. that way he gets what he wants. :shame:
Fill in the blanks however you see fit.
That this did not occur to me shames me. You get two points and a golden star.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goofball
Don't feel too much shame; I think I'm probably wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeonGod
Apparently at the first "warning level" you can still edit your posts.
"Don't take the wrong side of an argument just because your opponent has taken the right side." (Baltasar Gracian quotes 1601-1658) .
What I am trying to say ? :embarassed: