Now I see I didn't really get your point...:oops:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignoramus
Unvote: Craterus
Vote: Abstain
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Now I see I didn't really get your point...:oops:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignoramus
Unvote: Craterus
Vote: Abstain
During the voting, Chief of Police Beirut made a sudden announcement, temporarily halting all proceedings.
"Gentlemen," he said breathlessly, "it has just come to my attention that one eye has been removed from the corpse of Evil_Maniac From Mars. The coroner failed to notify me of this during the initial search of the body. It seems as if his killer meant to create an 'unblinking eye' symbol.
"I do not know how much use this information will be, but nevertheless, keep it in mind while voting."
The Chief of Police went back to his office, and voting resumed.
Here are my results - "Husar: not guilty"
By the way,
I must investigate Ignoramus. Why the hell would you say that apart from that you just want to assume that I am the wrong confession and that you just want to ensure that Mafia doesn't waste their kill.Quote:
No one will believe you. If you were the detective, you would have learnt your lesson from The Godfather Part 2, and not revealed yourself without some useful evidence.
FINE believe what you want to believe! I will post my investigations until I die. If I survive, I will laugh because you already knew that I was the detective.
Maybe so ~:handball:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
But there are no other trees.
I really don't think that's a good thing to say...:help:Quote:
Originally Posted by theRTWGuru
Maybe Sigurd wants to present himself as another tree?:sweatdrop:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Let me take a wild guess at who our next victims will be... :wall:
[edit]: Don't go and blame me for this. I know you are all thinking the same.
I wanted to vote Husar for his 'confession' earlier. But with these new developments I will vote: abstain for now.
I DO NOT believe Banquo's Ghost is mafia, he would have played an incredibly stupid game if he was...
then the mafia will kill you just to be safe.Quote:
Originally Posted by theRTWGuru
The Banquo bandwagon really seems like a canard. Even Silver joined in it.
Vote: Sasaki
Why did you vote me? ~:handball:
Kind of hypocritical, no?
Vote count before I leave:
Banquo's Ghost: 6
Sasaki Kojiro: 2
Craterus: 1
Abstained: 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Well, short of a mob mentality that does u-turns, I guess I'm toast - or perhaps the turkey, given the weekend.
The practical thing would be for me to try and move a small band-wagon in Sasaki's direction, but I am now convinced he's an innocent, for the same reasons I know have brought me to this pass, despite my innocence - he has spoken forthrightly and openly - a mafioso wouldn't make such a song and dance to bring the unwelcome attention of the unthinking mob upon himself.
The town talks a good fight about how lurkers never prosper, but those of us citizens who have actually spoken up and tried to put forward reasoned arguments are the ones with votes here. Proves my point, and the Mafia is laughing at you headless chickens.
My vote therefore goes to a very quiet, but eloquent voice. No good reason, because that appears to be way to go, but he should be doomed anyway when the Wrath of God descends, don't you think?
Vote: Don Corleone
Because you're leading the charge on this silly bandwagon. Unless you sincerely beleive Banquo is stupid enough to try the Don C nubsauce approach, I doubt you really think he's mafia. It seems more likely that you're mafia at this point, anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
What's hypocritical, btw? You're leading a weak bandwagon. I think that makes you look more guilty than Banquo does for that Wanax rubbish
Check out the other games. Sasaki does this sort of brow beating thing all game whether he's a detective, mafia, mason, etc. My guess at this point is that both of you are most likely innocent, so if we can u-turn your bandwagon I'd be inclined to lynch a lurker.Quote:
Originally Posted by BG
Happy Thanksgiving!
We don't learn much from rounds where nothing significant happens. Leading weak bandwagons isn't a typical mafia behavior btw, as you say yourself I always do this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
As I said before I'm not voting Banquo because of the "wanax rubbish". Ignoramus went for the same thing and I'm not voting him. I'm voting Banquo because the nature of his defense doesn't strike me as innocent. Last round he was constantly trying to nudge suspicion my way, this round he's convinced I'm innocent. His takes the high road in his last post but it sounds like he's taking it for appearances sake.
Nobody who has attacked the arguments made by me or Sasaki has actually made a decent argument. Ignoramus is using the silliest reasoning I have ever seen for voting for Craterus (why the hell would he use a name that connects him to the word Wanax?) so should be ignored (alright, fine, this sounds a bit hypocritical so I should post the problems with his argument. He asked me why I think Hep was framed when it appeared in the kills again. As explained later, it could just be that BG saw a bandwagon on Hepcat forming and couldn't resist) and Proletariat only seems to be able to come up with "a silly bandwagon". doc_bean has actually given us something, but even thats the simple 'he's not that stupid' logical fallacy. Everyone makes mistakes, mafia included, and as BG has not played for a while I don't see why he wouldn't.
Come on guys, throw us some proper arguments! If we are truly wrong, telling us why can only help the villagers.
Anyway, back to the point of the argument. I have no problem with Banquo's Ghost pointing out the wanax reference, but connecting it to Wanaka is just plain suspicious. Let me show you an example of why:
Go on then. You will definitely find the greek kings stuff, but no matter how many google pages you trawl through you will find absolutely nothing, and I mean nothing, about the Maori place name. Even a search for Wanaka, for me at least, comes up with nothing at all about the name meaning a place where grapes grow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost
OK, whether Hepcat was being framed or not I do not know. But the rhetorical question that follows is yet another logical fallacy. We have a strong basis for accusing you, and on that basis we can assume that Hepcat was innocent. Onto your last point, however, you obviously haven't read my last post. More evidence is found in this analysis by Sasaki in Mafia IV, if you want to know: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...4&postcount=89Quote:
Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost
(btw, in the first example, GoreBag and GeneralH were both mafia. There are also a horde of examples in The Godfather, Part 2, but that post was written before then)
Since I had not played for a while, if I had been mafia it would have been more intelligent to sit back and see how the game flowed, don't you think?
You can dismiss my arguments all you like, the simple truth of this village is people pick on those who speak up. Silver, you're likely to be next, you know.
The reason I changed to think Sasaki innocent is because he's posted a lot, and thus he's getting votes. The quiet don't. Much, much better odds if you're Mafia to shut the heck up or post unassumingly.
I'm going to swing so who cares. I'm done here.
Happy Thanksgiving!
Right, I'm going to throw a big treatise in here:
Vote: Divine Wind
Why?
1) He voted for me. Firstly, I will admit that I am hurt by his accusation, but more importantly he voted for me on the basis that I abstained. Aside from that being a weak reason to vote, he compiled this with a 'humorous' joke, a joke, I believe, intended to make himself appear friendly, likable and trustworthy. These are all tactics I tried when I was mafia, making joking asides to 'lighten the mood', and to make myself appear less serious. The taking-part-for-a-bit-of-fun-don't-really-care-about-the-consequences approach is one I find quite suspect:Quote:
I want the do gooders, the "Im neutral happy and gay!" crowd gone!
No more tight leather trousers in this village!
Vote: Masy
GAH!
Again, he makes a lighthearted post, a post no doubt intended to 'merge' himself with the townies. After all, a mafioso wouldn't criticize themselves, surely?Quote:
Its either a cunning Mafia trick...or their just plain idiots.
2) He was last active at 12:11 today, and yet has not voted in this round. That's fine, on it's own, but compounded with his 'light' posting leads me to believe he is deliberately avoiding a vote (to stay under the radar, no doubt). Perhaps he's trying to mix in with the people who couldn't vote because of the thanksgiving.
3) He claims he wants thecrowd gone, yet I believe he's the (pretending to be) neutral one. He votes, yes, but he doesn't want to appear a band wagoner (as mafia sometimes are), so he votes for someone who at that time was not in danger of a lynching. When people look back at folk's posting records, he'll stay under the radar, because he didn't bandwagon, yet nor did he miss many votes. I believe he's trying to be an 'average' player, one who doesn'tQuote:
"Im neutral happy and gay!"
miss many votes (because I'm sure he's smart enough to know that inactivity would work against him), and one who doesn't draw attention to himself with the votes he casts. People who are talkative and confrontational (Sasaki, Csar etc) always find themselves under suspicion (as I surely will be soon), and I believe that is what he's trying to avoid.
Hmmm. I do't think BG is guilty; surely he would've learned from his last game ad kept his head down a bit? Also, Silver seems to think he's gulity ~;p .
I think the mafia is probably not postig that much, anyone have a list o' lurkers?
Vote: abstain for now.
CR
That's rich coming from you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
Mistakes are usually slip ups, this was something totally different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver Rusher
I feel we should not kill helpful villagers and instead target lurkers, it's anybody's guess who is mafia right now, we don't have much to go on, but if we start targeting lurkers at this point they might feel the need to post more and thus we have a better chance of finding the mafia.
IMO one of the mistakes we often make is to kill the helpful villagers too early in the game, eliminating discussion.
There ya go. Coming up with a GOOD reason why we shouldn't be voting BG.Quote:
Originally Posted by doc_bean
I still got my eye on you, BG. But doc_bean is right, even if you are in the mafia its probably not a good idea to vote you off right away for the sake of chance. Voting for lurkers seems like the best thing to do right now. However, unless I find good reason not to, I will be voting against you later in the game.
I would advise those who voted for BG to change their votes now.
Unvote: Banquo's Ghost
Vote: Abstain (I will look through the lurkers later and vote for one then)
Unvote: Banquo's Ghost
Vote: Divine Wind
Alright I think Masy's right when I was the the Godfather in GF2 (cries a little) that's exactly what I did. I made stupid joking votes or didn't vote at all. That leads me to believe that he maybe a mafioso.
LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Silver Rusher
I said the same thing and you brushed it aside. You also ignored my strongest argument against lynching BG which was you being all for it.
That's true, you probably are guilty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
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Originally Posted by Proletariat
Both quotes towards sasaki, which tells me you're jumping around, sweetheart...:inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
The first was me contradicting myself. I thought of it but I was at dinner and couldn't fix it until later, but by then Sasaki had pointed it out.
I'd still rather kill a lurker than Sasaki.
Then why haven't you changed your vote? Huh, HUH, HUHQuote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
:iloveyou:
What's the rush? We have days.
Anyways
Unvote: Sasaki
Vote: Csar
I'm considered a lurker dang when did that happen?Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
Don't hate me cause I'm beautiful. ~;)
Who accused you of being a lurker? Hm HRM HRM HRM?!
I said I'd like to lynch a lurker, but because of Sasaki and Silver and them we're going to kill a more likely to be innocent person.