EB v.80 - First Impressions?

1. Forts
I tested it and for the most time I can build forts in foreign country. Unfortunately there is a lot of foreign country at the moment. If I can not build a fort it seems only due to the landscape. So working as intended, I think.

2. Elephants
Thank you for your hints, MiniMe. At the time of my last post I was a bit shocked of a) an unit of Eastern Skirmishers killing 2 of my 6 armoured elephants with only one volley and b) the failure of my elephants to trample down 10 fleeing archers.

Since then I had to engage the Ptolemaioi and the elephants are bitter needed to shatter their bloody elite phalanxes from behind. My heaviest cavalry alone is rarely able to break these phalanxes even with often repeated rear attacks .

3. Cretan archers
Kydonia was the first town I took after bringing "peace" to mainland Hellas. But till now I could not recruit cretan archers. Strange. Do you recruit them from the normal MIC or the MIC for foreigners? What government type do you have?

I use lots of mercenary cretan archers. Slingers are more deadly but they need more micromanagement - even with this they sometimes get involved in close quarter combat which is not very good for them.:no:

I think it requires a local MIC level 5, i use a type III on Kydonia and produce nothing but Cretan archers there, and place two units in each of my consular armies until i get Syrian auxilliaries.

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Originally Posted by geala

3. Cretan archers
Kydonia was the first town I took after bringing "peace" to mainland Hellas. But till now I could not recruit cretan archers. Strange. Do you recruit them from the normal MIC or the MIC for foreigners? What government type do you have?

I use lots of mercenary cretan archers. Slingers are more deadly but they need more micromanagement - even with this they sometimes get involved in close quarter combat which is not very good for them.:no:

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Toxotai Kretikoi are recruited from the Level 4 MIC. If you have a Greek Faction, that will be a Faction MIC. Other cultures will recruit them (same level) with a Regional MIC.

Hello again,

Just thought I'd post again to say I'm really enjoying the mod especially now I am playing on the recomended settings of VH/M. I'd always wanted to avoid VH campaign settings as there are too many battles but with EB's economic model it makes sense (although I don't think that it is possible to survive with Hayas... err Armenia :wall: ).

Very nice. The only mod apart from RTR (I'd say I like them both equally) which I can see me playing for a long time. Thank you.

Oh and thanks for the explanation about the Spartans blacksnail.

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Originally Posted by geala

Kydonia was the first town I took after bringing "peace" to mainland Hellas. But till now I could not recruit cretan archers. Strange. Do you recruit them from the normal MIC or the MIC for foreigners? What government type do you have?

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Goverment type II, level IV normal MIC

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I use lots of mercenary cretan archers. Slingers are more deadly but they need more micromanagement - even with this they sometimes get involved in close quarter combat which is not very good for them.:no:

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I have to admit I'm a little bit disappointed with cretan archers, so I switched back to slingers. They're cheap, they're available everywhere, they require level II MIC only and they are deadly =)
Slingers: range 180, ammo 40;
Cretan Archers: range 176(merc), ammo 25.

Personally I hope to see Rhodian slingers in the game one day.
According to Xenophon they have twice the range of persian slingers due to the fact they use lead bullets instead of 'fist-sized stones'. I would guess that lumps of lead would do more damage too, due to being denser, moving faster and being smaller, so applying a greater force to a smaller area. Bring on the carnage...

The advantage of Cretan archers seems to be their high defence rather than a higher missile damage compared with other archers. This makes them semi-useful in melee, so they wont get slaughtered instantly like most archers would.

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Originally Posted by Kugutsu

The advantage of Cretan archers seems to be their high defence rather than a higher missile damage compared with other archers. This makes them semi-useful in melee, so they wont get slaughtered instantly like most archers would.

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Notice their Xiphos sword too...

That`s a helluva long sword for a ordinary archer to have... :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by geala

2. Elephants
Thank you for your hints

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Here's a cheat hint -
1. Open EB/Data folder
2. Open file export_descr_unit.txt
2.1. find string
;130
type indian elephant standard
2.2. in the text that follows, replace string
soldier african_elephant_rider, 9, 3, 1
with strings
;soldier african_elephant_rider, 9, 3, 1
soldier african_elephant_rider, 15, 3, 1
3. Open file descr_mount.txt
3.1. find string
type elephant indian
3.2 in the text that follows, replace strings
riders 3
rider_offset 0.0, 1.225, 1.306
rider_offset 0.0, 1.1, 0.5
rider_offset 0.0, 1.1, -.25
with strings
;riders 3
;rider_offset 0.0, 1.225, 1.306
;rider_offset 0.0, 1.1, 0.5
;rider_offset 0.0, 1.1, -.25
riders 5
rider_offset 0.0, 1.335, 1.45
rider_offset 0.25, 1.165, 0.42
rider_offset -.25, 1.165, 0.42
rider_offset 0.25, 1.165, -.25
rider_offset -.25, 1.165, -.25
Enjoy =)
(it won't cause the game to crash, been tested)
((sorry for my English))
(((before modifying, back up both files)))

MiniMe: What effect will those changes have?

K_raso: Im not sure the sword has any significant advantage:

Toxotai Kretikoi
stat_pri 4, 0, arrow, 153, 25, missile, archery, piercing, none, 15 ,1
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 9, 1, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 0 ,0.04
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 7, 8, 1, flesh

Normal Toxotai
stat_pri 2, 0, arrow, 128.7, 15, missile, archery, piercing, none, 15 ,1
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 8, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 0 ,0.4
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 2, 6, 0, flesh

There is only one extra point in melee damage, plus one charge point, however the lethality drops from 0.4 for a normal archer to 0.04 for a cretan archer. The biggest difference (apart from range) is the amount of armour/defence

Amazing!

All I can say.
I've been glued to the comp since I DL'd this mod a week ago.

Though it's still work in progress it's deep, intriguing, difficult as hell, which I like a lot, and totally immersive!

Congrats and thanks to the team for the great effort put in this!
(Being an occasional game modder myself I can imagine how difficult it is to pull off large projects like this one.)

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Originally Posted by Kugutsu

MiniMe: What effect will those changes have?

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2 archers => 4 archers =)

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Originally Posted by k_raso

Notice their Xiphos sword too...

That`s a helluva long sword for a ordinary archer to have... :rolleyes:

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Actually it's a pretty short sword...it's like 30cm shorter than a medieval arming sword, which professional archers would use.

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Originally Posted by Sarcasm

Actually it's a pretty short sword...it's like 30cm shorter than a medieval arming sword, which professional archers would use.

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Yes, yes, I know that the Xiphos is a short sword, along with the kopis, falcata, gladius, etc.

But compared with the swiss army knife that other archers have (together with the arkontistai), that thing looks like a Zweihänder!!! :grin:

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Originally Posted by Kugutsu

MiniMe: What effect will those changes have?

K_raso: Im not sure the sword has any significant advantage:

Toxotai Kretikoi
stat_pri 4, 0, arrow, 153, 25, missile, archery, piercing, none, 15 ,1
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 9, 1, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 0 ,0.04
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 7, 8, 1, flesh

Normal Toxotai
stat_pri 2, 0, arrow, 128.7, 15, missile, archery, piercing, none, 15 ,1
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 8, 0, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, knife, 0 ,0.4
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 2, 6, 0, flesh

There is only one extra point in melee damage, plus one charge point, however the lethality drops from 0.4 for a normal archer to 0.04 for a cretan archer. The biggest difference (apart from range) is the amount of armour/defence

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Both of those are errors, we caught them already though.

Intial impressions - better late than never eh

The look
Love the look feels like reading a really old book, even the strat map appears to have a more 'brushed' softer appearance. The playing it is like examining exquisite tapestrys
Playing as the Ptolomaic vh/vh :egypt: - love the mosaic textured displays

as said by others the mod now appears to have a much more finished look to it
very professionally done boys - congrats

State of Play
early days in my campaign - The selucids have launched a major offensive against me - having to fight them off with the cheap native spearmen - ugghh where will I find the money :juggle2:
They are seiging 3 of my towns and blockading most of my ports - DAMN THEM

already lost a settlement west of Alexandria to a large well motivated and well led band of brigands.

Love the new music
cant leave without mentioning the wonders/great building etc - fantastic - learning new historical facts (which I can bore my wife with) everyday, so detailed and informative - forget a degree in ancient history at college - a semester of EB 101 is all you need
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those Cav the Ptolomaic get with the masks - look nightmarish - I love them :2thumbsup:

Bugs (small one)
The Jewish spearmen dont hold any spears - looked in the bug forum but was just too massive to search


Only about 10 turns in - love your work

kings to you :yes: :2thumbsup:

As the amature historian and "roman army and its foe nerdling" I am I loved RTW but something was missing...

Now I know what was missing.
Now it really feels like I am uniting the tribes and once that is done... the world will be mine for the taking.
Everyone else in this thread have already said what I´ve been thinking and I am no man of the word, so all thumbs up, this is great.
I would gladly pay for this game.
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Yes I followed this mod for about a year, but didnt play it because I was scared off about those CTDs reported. So I thought I might as well wait for something more finished.

Well the mod of course is nothing but excellent. Although there are much less ships, I really like the naval system. Because of the costs naval warfare is really something you have to plan or it will ruin your economy early on. The better warships easily take out the worse, not only number decides. And playing with BI.exe as Rome on VH/VH it has been crucial to control the sea because Carthage was absolutely über and kept on landing forces on the baleares, Corsica, Sardinia, Sicily, Italy. Excellent! So at the end of 2nd punic war I decided to pillage Carthage and destroy their Naval Base to simulate their handing out of their fleet. ~D

Just two questions for future releases:
1. Will you include navigable rivers? Not that important for gameplay, but its still a cool feature.
2. Is there going to be ancilliaries for the legions like in Camillus leadership mod or like its been done recently in most M2TW mods? I miss those a bit.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...t=72046&page=6 (QwertyMIDX post)
Dear EB team!
Could anybody say something about this "elephant scripting"?
What's this all about?

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Originally Posted by MiniMe

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...t=72046&page=6 (QwertyMIDX post)
Dear EB team!
Could anybody say something about this "elephant scripting"?
What's this all about?

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Think it's a script only planned so far, as there have been no attempts to make one. I think it's to give some factions outside Asia, like Epeiros & Karthadastim access to Indian elephants, to represent them buying them from the Seleukids.