Graffiti Mafia [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by Masy

The first code mentions Loki, so I assume either the masons are trying to get us to lynch a norse player (who they perhaps believe is a mafia member), or, more likely, the mafia want to make us suspicious of random players and get us to kill them off (thus avoiding us killing the mafioso's, obviously)

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The Loki reference really doesn't point out to any player, but it refers to the other letter coming from Loki, as in the trickster or the deceiver. Meaning that we shouldn't trust the other letter. But the problem with these graffitis is that we have no way to know the validity of them and who put them up. For all we know the Mafia could be doing both of the messages, which to me looking at the confusing mess these messages currently are, is entirely possible. Thus I believe until someone manages to ensure us of the validity of the messages; we're better off ignoring them all together.

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Originally Posted by Caius Flaminius

Please can you tell the rest of the story?

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Not sure what you'd like me to elaborate.

Disco keeps saying in the chat, over and over, that he chose me, Csar and Husar as his mafioso. I'm certain about one of us not being Mafia (me, of course.) So now I, being completely innocent, have a common ground with Csar and Husar. Maybe they're innocent too, and the graffiti screaming Husar's name, is just some mafia wind up to derail us, even tho, so far, no one's seemed to put much value in it (wisely so, imho.)

Thanks prole, i am trying to know who is mafia.
I am dead,and i want to find the mafisos.Thats all.

I think you guys should vote for Csar...

Vote:Csar

For now I'm going to Vote: Reenk cause the smilies just make things confused for the town.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Anyway, Reenk Roink's gameplay has regressed something of late.

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:huh:

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

He is only voting based on retaliation and in fact, encouraging others to do so!

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:no:

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

In addition, he is contributing little by never offering any clear opinions, instead speaking in tongues (and binary).

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Originally Posted by Masy

Random Binary code and retaliation voting is the most suspicious thing I have seen so far, so my vote goes for him.

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Originally Posted by Sir Boo

How is Reenk going to help benefit the townies if he continues his no-speach tactics.

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Originally Posted by Proletariat

Vote: Reenk for speaking in emoticons.

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Originally Posted by JimBob

For now I'm going to Vote: Reenk cause the smilies just make things confused for the town.

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:rolleyes: :gossip:

:charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :ahh: :surrender:

~:handball:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

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Originally Posted by The guy playing handball

These are honestly the stupidest reasons to vote for somebody ever...

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Unvote: Xiahou
Vote: Csar

Hm. Ok, well I'd hoped for a bit more/clearer information from the masons. As it is, all we've been given are a couple of cryptic phone numbers and a rather obvious poem of dubious origin.

Csar is kinda suspicious, mainly because of how quick he was to draw conclusions from that graffiti message. Even assuming it's from the masons (doubtful at best), it doesn't make clear whether Husar is being accused or cleared. :dizzy2: I think several people have made good points in favor of not basing too much on the graffiti.

Still, I doubt he'd be that quick to jump on his team's own false clue. Also, my mathematical analysis indicates Csar is probably innocent - thought two rounds of data isn't much; I'll need at least one more before I can say anything with much confidence. Though I am starting to develop a list of suspects...

Also, I recommend that we ignore discovery1's list of whom he chose (for now, at least). Whether any of its members are mafia or not, it's surely only meant to confuse.

Vote: Abstain

I don't have enough yet to make a proper accusation. With the mafia only killing one person this round, we should still be in good shape if we get one of 'em by the third round. :smash:

Uhm, Reenk, while you might find your smiley-posting cute, clever and amusing, the rest of us find it rather irritating. You're not contributing to the discussion, you're not helping the town, and you admitted as much in answering my questions that it's all by personal choice. I should vote for you for being an annoying git, but I'm not going to.

I'm not convinced that there isn't something odd but strangely beneficial for the town to your gameplay, and I wonder if your role requires that you deny being assigned the role. Even you should be able to figure out by now that the lynch mob is continue eyeing you as long as you keep with the :yes: :no: :idea2: :dizzy2: :2thumbsup: Keep it up, and your next smiley will be :skull:

BUT, Csar clamoring to lynch Husar seems much, much more suspicious. It's way too obvious. The masons and the mafia are probably some of our more experienced players. They wouldn't be that obvious. I don't know what the German references are about, but Csar seemed too eager to lynch Husar with them.

Vote: Csar

Sorry, Sasaki missed my vote last round.

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These are honestly the stupidest reasons to vote for somebody ever...

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Why? One of three things is happening.
1)You chose to do this for your own reasons and are innocent. That means you are being unhelpful and hurting the town, best to lose you.
2) You are Mafia and are using the fact that we know there are secret roles. You then pretend to have a role to protect yourself.
3) You have a role. How useful can it be if we can't understand you?

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Originally Posted by JimBob

Why? One of three things is happening.
1)You chose to do this for your own reasons and are innocent. That means you are being unhelpful and hurting the town, best to lose you.
2) You are Mafia and are using the fact that we know there are secret roles. You then pretend to have a role to protect yourself.
3) You have a role. How useful can it be if we can't understand you?

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~:snowman:

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Originally Posted by Frosty the Snowman

I will relay your message to the guy playing handball as quick as possible. Please wait 48-72 hours for response.

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:knight:

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Originally Posted by Narrator Knight tells a story to Don Corleone

Narrator Knight's quickie:

:beatnik: - underage pot smoker at midnight in bedroom

:curtain: - mommy tucking in good night

:inquisitive: :shocked2: :shocked3: :shout: - string of emotions of she

:surprised: sees mom :brood: - oh ****

:bow: el fin :sombrero:

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Normally, I'd vote for Csar at this point. He was quick off the mark to name Husar and nobody had mulled over the poesy very much by then. However, his posting style/relatively quick votes ARE normal for him in games where he was not a mafioso.

Reenk is annoying, but that is also part of his charm. He views life at a slighly cockeyed angle. Lynching someone cause they annoy you is a bit harsh. Also, his posts are serving to generate discussion and votes -- which is usually a positive for the town.

Prole' is posting intermittently, but that's typical of her. She'll be a quiet reader for most of a round, vote, post a few times as discussion of her vote brings her into the mix, and then fade a bit. Again, fairly consistent with her style of play -- she likes to mull things over a bit before taking a stab.

All possibilities, but not enough compelling data to vote.

I'll Vote: Reenk Roink as a lesson in communicative courtesy, but my vote will readily change for better evidence/theory on someone.

Who is lurking so far, I wonder?

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Originally Posted by Reenk Roink

:huh:



:no:











:rolleyes: :gossip:

:charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :ahh: :surrender:

~:handball:



Unvote: Xiahou
Vote: Csar

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Don't worry Reenk you won't get a retaliation vote from me I don't know why your voting for me and your damn smilie's don't help the town.

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Originally Posted by Al Khalif

At what point was it mentioned that a mafia member has to miss a kill in order to write a graffiti message?

Vote: Csar

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My guess is that they can either kill someone or write a graffiti message and then not be able to kill anyone for that round.

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Originally Posted by Husar

I was curious about that as well, Csar sounds like he has a lot of insight on these matters.

Vote: Csar

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Answered that it's a guess it could be wrong it might not.

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Originally Posted by Sigurd

I think you guys should vote for Csar...

Vote:Csar

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And you I thought you were smarter than that. You know what happens when you don't even give a reason for your vote. So why aren't you?

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Who is lurking so far, I wonder?

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I've been lurking more or less. Course, I don't get much time off from running my criminal empire and planning your deaths. But don't worry, I only do it out of love and affection. :sweetheart:

Alright let's look at this. Here's the first kills.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...8&postcount=78

Two people killed and only one graffiti.

Next kill

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=143

One kill and two graffiti's.

Now what I get from this is that the mafia can choose to kill two people per round or kill one person and put a graffiti message up on the wall along with the mason's message.

Since there was two kills the first night I assumed that the first message is from the mason's.

First graffiti

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The other letter is of Loki
Do no heed its harmful words.
Knowledge we will collect
And distribute to the denizen's of the Gameroom

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Second two graffiti's

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''Townies, fear not for we are doing our best to rid you of this evil ! Feel free to call these numbers, anytime:
0800 2664 6662368 or, if that line is busy 0800 9275 87837. We are here to help, we must work together !''

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German guard of the German faith
Dream liberator of lebanon
The poles gave him wings
All gave him guilding.
And none use him now

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Which one's look more alike? It's true I could be wrong about the Husar thing and I'm not saying I'm right. But really what else do we have to go on?

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Originally Posted by Al Khalifah

That's a very strange phone number given in the grafitti. The 0800 part tells us nothing, because that is used almost universally across Europe and possibly worldwide. The number is very long however which is not usual. This might provide a clue as to the nationality of the artist, since it is not a common format. Or it might just be a totally made up number / the mafia playing with our minds.

I'm still not sure, but I do subscribe to the theory that at least one experienced mafia player would have been chosen by Disco.

I'm not sure where to put blame yet, but this post did interest me:

At what point was it mentioned that a mafia member has to miss a kill in order to write a graffiti message? :book:

Vote: Csar

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I just noticed the reason you voted for me. So that's why eh? I find that funny because I'm not the only one who has mentioned that idea. Surely you could come up with something better than that?:laugh4:

Voting closed.

Reenk 7 (Xiahou,GH,Masy,Sir Boo,prole,Seamus,Jimbob)
Csar 6 (doc_bean,ultrawar,Al Khalifah,Husar,Reenk,Don Corleone)
Seamus 1 (AggonyDuck)
husar 1 (csar)

abstain (phill,sir moody,Warluster,Kommodus)

Reenk Roink has been lynched.

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Killed (3):

Caius Flaminius
Kagemusha
Sigurd Fafnesbane

Lynched(1):
Reenk Roink

Alive: (23):

discovery1
GeneralHankerchief
Proletariat
Dutch_Guy
Jimbob
Don Corleone
Seamus Fermanagh
Warluster
Xiahou
AggonyDuck
Sir Moody
Peasant Phill
Ituralde
Husar
doc_bean
Kommodus
Sir Boo
Ultrawar
Al Khalifah
Ignoramus
Divine Wind
Masy
Csar

pm's please

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Csar 7 (doc_bean,ultrawar,Al Khalifah,Husar,Sigurd,Reenk,Don Corleone)
Reenk 6 (Xiahou,GH,Masy,Sir Boo,prole,Seamus)
Seamus 1 (AggonyDuck)
husar 1 (csar)

abstain (phill,sir moody,Warluster,Kommodus)

Csar has been lynched.

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Killed (3):

Caius Flaminius
Kagemusha
Sigurd Fafnesbane

Lynched(1):
Csar

Alive: (23):

discovery1
GeneralHankerchief
Proletariat
Dutch_Guy
Jimbob
Don Corleone
Seamus Fermanagh
Warluster
Xiahou
AggonyDuck
Sir Moody
Peasant Phill
Ituralde
Husar
doc_bean
Reenk Roink
Kommodus
Sir Boo
Ultrawar
Al Khalifah
Ignoramus
Divine Wind
Masy

pm's please

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Sigurd's vote doesn't count he's dead Sasaki.

Sigurd!! https://img178.imageshack.us/img178/...motarghbr6.gif

Voting re-opened.

Csar and Reenk tied at 6. Next vote decides it.

Wait I think I may have missed a vote for Reenk.

^^yup

Reenk at 7 is lynched.

Ok, new rule: If you vote for someone while dead...I'll mod-kill you! :furious3:

I swear. Also, if you don't bold your vote I may miss it, and if the mistake isn't caught quickly I may just throw your vote out.

Such anger Sasaki is not needed.

Because Csar discovered the mistake; he has delayed our game. Therefore, I'm voting Csar.

F**k, mist the deadline again. If any of you think I'm doing this deliberately, your wrong. FYI I would've voted for Csar.

It as AggonyDuck says: The Loki reference is only telling us that the other graffiti is more or less false and we should disregard it. The problem is there was no other graffiti that round.
We ask ourselves, which of the two role groups made this? I strongly believe that the Loki graffiti was made by the Mafia.
Since the Husar graffiti was made in a like manner I am inclined to think it too was mafia made.
As I see it… there are 3 reasons why the mafia would put Husar in graffiti.

1. They hope we will mistake their message for a mason message, declaring Husar innocent and hence becoming a foreboding on their next kill.
2. They hope we will mistake their message for a mason message, declaring Husar guilty and lynch him.
3. They think we might see through their scheme and believe it a mafia message. They hope we believe it a frame attempt on Husar and let him live, all though he is in fact a member of the mafia.

The last one is a dangerous move and I for one would not have tried a stunt like that.
A piece of the puzzle that I can’t fit in is.. Why where there only one kill last round?
We did not lynch anyone and yet the mafia posted graffiti in both rounds and chose to kill only one player. Was one player saved, but we got no information about this?

Knowing Sasaki’s style of game hosting, he will not tell us when an un-killable role is targeted. He will however tell us if a killable player was saved.
Is there a role in this game which is immune to night killing? I wonder. We will see.

For now Csar is the most suspicious player, particularly because of my untimely death. That is all I can say.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Sigurd!! https://img178.imageshack.us/img178/...motarghbr6.gif

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Just seeing if ya are awake.. apparently not :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

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Knowing Sasaki’s style of game hosting, he will not tell us when an un-killable role is targeted. He will however tell us if a killable player was saved.

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I decided to make the town less omniscient this game. They only find out who was killed.

aha well this suggests that we have at least one doctor type and someone was saved

given the first kills i would guess it was someone new (thus keeping the 1 verteran 1 new in the kills)

this also meens we will never be able to tell if we have killed a mafia... as it could just be the doc saving someone...

Sorry Sasaki it's probably written down somewhere, but what happened to lynch descriptions? You know, like dunking the lynchee in a vat of acid? I am not complaining (:yes: ), but is this a deliberate omission?

Tell me disco, will I die now?:inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by Masy

Sorry Sasaki it's probably written down somewhere, but what happened to lynch descriptions? You know, like dunking the lynchee in a vat of acid? I am not complaining (:yes: ), but is this a deliberate omission?

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I drove 12 hours yesterday, put down the lynch, and went to bed. Didn't feel like writing a description. :shame: