I'm off for the next week! Skiing!
See you next Saturday, don't get excommunicated! :beam:
AussieGiant will fight defensive battles for me, and I guess Leopold won't be up for anything else in the future.
Cheers!
Ituralde
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I'm off for the next week! Skiing!
See you next Saturday, don't get excommunicated! :beam:
AussieGiant will fight defensive battles for me, and I guess Leopold won't be up for anything else in the future.
Cheers!
Ituralde
Have fun! We'll try to have Austria in one piece for you when you get back.
Reporting for "stand-in" duty sir!! :)
I'm sure there will be something left to govern once you are back :)
@bizzair
thanks for pointing out my mistake...it was actually a typo..i meant to have said would support provided blah blah blah...which makes more sense..i read it over but never caught it.
lol np.. Im not actually angry at you, I was just playing the Character :)
i know lol :beam: :beam:
I have a couple of questions regarding edicts.
First, since this is a mid-term Diet, are edicts passed in the third Diet still in effect?
Second, if the above is true, if an edict passes in this Diet what would occur if it conflicts with an edict passed in the last Diet? I'm thinking of the following edicts:
Edict 3.8: Milan is to be crushed by an offensive campaign, one that does not wait for Papal opinion or any other outside factor to strike. Kaiser Heinrich is to have a major role in this campaign.
Edict 4.1: The Empire will refrain from any action against Milan that will violate the Pope's order and risk excommunication.
Would the one that receives the greatest percentage of the vote take precedence (might be tough to judge since we'll have a different amount of voters), or does the latest take precedence?
What do our venerable elders say?
I'm assuming that the latter edict takes precedence.
In any case, I have final say on the matter and the Kaiser's opinion is that we hold back for now. Milan has been crippled, and the circumstances have changed.
No, I think the idea was that edicts only last for the period until the next Diet. That way we don't have to remember too much stuff. I am not sure we are going to have a Diet every 5 turns though - it seems excessive. To be honest, until TinCow pointed it out, I thought Ignoramus had done 10 turns. But given how much has happened in the last 5 turns and the influx of new players, a mid-term was timely.Quote:
Originally Posted by OverKnight
This is a memo item for myself - bonus votes:
Stats bonus + extras for rank
Fredericus von Hamburg (FLYdude)- 0 + 2 (Steward) = 2
Jonas von Mahren (?) - 1 (loyalty) = 1
Dietrich von Saxony (Lucjan)- 2 (general points + loyalty) + 2 (Duke) = 4
Gunther von Kastilien (Dutch_guy - 0 + 1 (Count) =1
Maximillian Mandorf (TinCow) - 1 (piety) + 2 (Steward) = 3
Leopold (Ituralde)- 0 + 2 (Duke) = 2
Sigismund der Stoltze (Ignoramus) - 2 (general points + loyalty) + 2 (Count, Chancellor) = 4
Henry (econ21- 0 + 3 (Duke, Prince) = 3
Heinrich (GH)- 4 authority = 4
Otto von Kassel (Overknight)- 0 + 1 (Count) = 1
TinCow: I'll put up all the battle results of my term so far. There has only been one major victory(ironically, there were no casaulties on either side).
I'm sorry about my absence yesterday. I'm not online on Sundays.
It looks like Lucjan and Zomby_woof are not going to vote, so I am taking them off the play list for now. They are welcome to re-join whenever they like. But this means that Jalf is assigned Jonas von Mahren as his avatar.
I also think the time is right to re-assign Dietrich. I know Lucjan invested a lot of time role-playing him, but from private communication, he does not seem over-enamoured of the avatar. Moreover, with so many new players without avatars and a war with Poland, I can't justify keeping Dietrich without an active assignment. So I am going to assign Dietrich to another player. Any takers?
Bear in mind that Dietrich is a Duke (FLYdude will cease to be a Steward of Franconia if Dietrich becomes active) and can assign Counts. (Jalf - this is part of the glue that holds Houses together - a Duke can give and take away settlements to players; only his eldest natural born son cannot be dispossessed). Dietrich also has some complex backstory that it would be good to continue - he is extremely loyal to the Empire, but has a feud with the Emperor; he is secretly of Polish descent and sympathetic to them, but stands in the path of a Polish invasion. :dizzy: It will be quite a challenge to take him on and ideally I would like a player who can make a substantial long term commitment. This offer is open to players in all Houses - forget your current role and start a fresh. I will hold the offer open for 24 hours and then make a decision among any contenders.
BTW, Franconia now has no avatarless players. I propose that the Chancellor not accept any adoptions or son-in-laws in this House until that situation changes. I don't want one House to suck up all the generals if we can avoid it - it will ruin the delicate internal balance of the Empire we are trying to maintain.
Interesting, I wondered what Dietrich's "secret background" was.
Anyway, I will refuse futher Franconian generals, but it is alarming that we aren't getting any others.
I agree that Dietrich needs to be reassigned. It's a shame about Lucjan, but it has to be done. We can't afford to have an inactive Duke.
I agree that even Mid-tyerm Diet sessions should overrule any other edicts from pervious diet session. If we don't do that we will all have dizzy heads trying to keep up.
That's a little unfortuntate about Lucjan, but Ignoramus is right, we can't have an inactive Duke.
On the avatar side, things do seem a little out of whack. I hope the refusal of new avatars by Franconia will trickle over to the other Houses.
Well, if Franconia keep spawning new generals, we could always orchestrate an internal split in Franconia, and create a new house out of half the Franconians. ;)
Shouldn't be too hard to come up with an IC reason for such a divide... There are plenty of personal conflicts in the empire to pick from ;)
Hell, Dietrich himself is probably controversial enough that he could be the cause (half the Franconians continue to follow him, the other half is more pro-Kaiser)
(I'm not suggesting we do anything like that now, just that in the long term, if this is where generals keep popping up, a solution could be to just divide the house into two)
About taking over Dietrich (yeah, I know I just got another avatar), I'd better pass. Would definitely be a fun character to play, but I'm not sure I'm up to the task (I definitely plan to stick around for the long term, but I'm going to be pretty busy throughout March, so might be a bad idea to play such a high-profile character just now)
Oh, Jonas is adopted by Dietrich, right? Don't have the game installed at work, so can't check for myself, and the family tree in the library doesn't seem to be updated yet.
Would be nice to know my background ;)
By the way, I plan to make Jonas a distinct character and ditch the ole' fifth elector... ;)
He was much too angry and impatient to make it big in the world... And I figure a guy called Jonas sounds like he'd have a slightly brighter outlook and a sense of humour :)
(And according to his stats, he's much more religious than the Elector, but I have still to figure out what I'm going to make of that... Could be a closet Pope-follower, maybe? ;))
One complication for the Franconians is the requirement that a knight earn his spurs - to command an army, a general must first be a knight. To be a knight, a general must first distinguish himself in battle. Dietrich is an army commander, so he could take along some of the other Franconian generals to get the required experience against the Poles. Or they could see action in another front. But they can't command in battle from the word go.
I thought edicts lasted until the end of the Chancellorship, not just until the next Diet session. A lot of the Edicts that Heinrich had to fulfill couldn't possibly have been achieved in 10 turns. I know that in WOTS, motions were originally permanent until completed or nullified. We then changed the system so that they ceased to be effective after a new election. When did we change the KOTR rules to make it even shorter?
TC!!
Bloody Brilliant story. Do you write in any capacity other than recreation?
We should stick with the avatar advancement process Econ outlines.
We should at least have some restrictions. Dietrich better take a few young lads and send em head first into a few Polish companies pronto!!
If he doesn't he is going to have the most powerful cavalry assembled in the entire world.
Well, I write for a living... but it's soulless legal writing that would make my 9th grade English teacher's head explode. Someday I plan on writing non-fiction though.
The hillarious thing about that story is that I had started to write a completely different one. Let's just say it dealt with Otterbach's promotion to Cardinal in a rather more vulgar fashion. However, when I saw the Hildegard retinue figure and looked her up, I realized there was absolutely no way to do that and justify having her as a 'follower,' so I started over from scratch. It's pretty ironic that Max picked up a proponent of chastity, but it'll make for interesting character development.
Good story, TC. The thought that Maximillian is truly set on the path of righteousness, as he sees it, makes him more terrifying than when he was a lecher with religious delusions.
As for edicts here's the relevant stuff I dug out of the FAQ:
3.1. The Imperial Diet will meet in session every 10 turns. Out of session, there can be open debate and deliberations. Each session lasts 3 days of real time.
3.6. Edicts can only last for 10 turns.
3.9. The Imperial Diet is presided over by the character controlling the Emperor. His rulings are final. The Prince can preside in the absence of the Emperor. The Emperor can call an emergency session of the Imperial Diet - freeze the game - at will.
So did we call an emergency session? If we did, do the edicts passed supplant those voted in 5 turns ago? I can understand why we had a Diet session, new players and Papal issues, but I'm looking for some clarification of the rules.
Also something else in the FAQ, under game settings:
Standard victory conditions (45 provinces, including Jerusalem).
As we've discussed, we actually have to take Rome not Jerusalem, I just don't want to confuse the new players.
And since I'm nitpicking anyway :laugh4: I think Otto won a major victory at Bern, more than 7+ units. I think Ignoramus brought it up and it was discussed but the table was never updated. No worries, just thought I mention it.
Edit: Ignoramus, when you mentioned generals with loyalty issues in the Diet, was that an IC way of addressing the fact that Dietrich doesn't have a player at the moment and it wouldn't be wise to use him in combat? It looks like the comment may have caused some unintended offense to some of our electors. :whip:
Thanks, I've now corrected theJerusalemRome objective. On the last Diet, as I said, I goofed - I thought we were 10 turns in until Tincow spotted it (he also spotted the Rome not Jerusalem point). I think we should just let the 3rd Diet edicts lapse, as GH said, but from this point on stick to 10 turn Diets. If we also stick to 10 turn Chancellorships, as I think might be safest, there should not be a problem.
On the 7 unit victories, we do need to keep track of these. Only the army commanders and the Chancellor are privy to this, so they need to tell me so I can put it in the Playlist table - so far, I am assuming I should assign one each to Otto and Sigismund.
Bah, you don't get to rule a major medieval nation without being a bit of a bastard... :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by OverKnight
So econ if I'm understanding correctly. . .
Ignoramus plays five more turns (10 years). His term is over. We proceed into the next Diet for elections and new edicts. After that we won't have a Diet for 10 turns (20 years).
Correct?
Edit: That's true Jalf, but if you're going to be a bastard it should be intentional. :laugh4:
Which basically makes it impossible for FLYdude and myself to command an army, since Lucjan has left this PBM for a while. Meaning all the battles with his avatar, FLYdude's and mine, are to be auto resolved. Not exactly the way I'd like to earn my spurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
So there's no way around this then ?
:balloon2:
Well, Max is still in Nuremburg, which is pretty close to the action. He could be sent up and lead one battle with the Franconian avatars in his army, then pack up and head back south to leave the rest of the war to the northerners.
Or we could assume that since Fredericus (FLYdude) is a Steward that he's been knighted. I'm not sure if a squire would be appointed to such a high post.
It's a bit gimmicky but I'm not sure if anyone will want to fill Lucjan's big shoes as Dietrich. This would allow for the least disruption.
That sounds a bit forced, tbh... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
Alternatively, we could just make an exception from the rules. I mean, they're there to make the game fun. if they get in the way of that, why shouldn't we bend them a bit? ;)
If there are no knighted Franconian generals when Franconia gets invaded, it seems to me that the logical thing to do would be to improvise. The Diet could just find a few handy nobles (OOC: the ones who have un-knighted avatars), and give them temporary command over the northern garrisons.
They don't have to be made knights, but simply assigned as "acting generals" or some such temporary title. (and of course all you "proper" generals can whinge IC in the Diet about the impending doom as these unproven leaders of peasants will surely lose all the cities of the north ;))
IC, the story could simply be that the Diet/the Chancellor/the Kaiser doesn't trust the only knighted general of the North, so while the South is still in a turmoil and occupies the attention of the remaining generals, the local nobles in Franconia are ordered to try to organize a defense and hold the line until proper generals and troops can be sent to take over)
Then the acting generals get to fight the most urgent battles (city defenses, for example, while others may still be autoresolved), and once they've distinguished themselves, they can get the proper knighthood and become "real" generals.
To make it more plausible, they could be given command of peasant/militia troops only, since they (we) are unproven, and more skilled troops will only follow a proper knight. The remaining troops (if we even have any better troops in the north) could withdraw further into the country, maybe assembling in the capital.
Just tossing out some ideas to get the ball rolling. It'd be silly to have three players forced to autoresolve a bunch of battles because one player is missing.
lol... idk bout Dietrich... but some Austrians would be nice... :yes:
anyway... im REALLY busy this week with doing sound on the School play... and idk how much i can be here... i made my excuses in the Deit already... so have fun... and hopeful get me a general..:beam:
talk at ya later
I could command a battle with some of the Franconians. I command Dietrich until at least one of the other Franconians are knighted. Then there'll be not problem.
Sounds like a plan Ignoramus. Lets do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignoramus
Umm up for anything, I still have some learning to do with this game, but Im sure Im up for anything, I rather not be Dietrich as I am new, and don't know that much as it is, I will learn from experince and being corrected.
But I wanna fight some battles :D :furious3:
~:cheers: