Out of character thread XVI

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Originally Posted by AussieGiant

Ok that's very clear.

Which sentence was the one that made it clear for you? I can't see it...which probably could be how we have come to opposite views on the issue.

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Let me dig it out of an old post in here from earlier today,

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The Stewards themselves are not Counts. Like Otto in Innsbruck, they are just soldiers, self-made men of lesser station [think Denethor in Lord of the Rings]. They could be rewarded by being made a Count by their Duke when he spawns, though. And they could marry into the Royal line, potentially becoming the Duke themselves.

I took this line, which I now know was meant only for the beginning three generals, and applied it to our present situation with RBG's. I saw generals not being able to be Duke unless they marry in. I assumed it applied to all generals regardless of time or circumstance.

See what happens when you assume... :embarassed:

This is why I am only worthy of being the "deputy loci". :yes:

Ah ha,

Now I get it.

Yes the context back then shows the "marriage bit" needing to happen before becoming a Duke.

It's actually a very literal assumption now I've re-read it. What a "literal assumption" is now has to be clarified.

Due to Austria's situation over the decades I would have never found that line. At one stage the Nobles had to be "adopted" so they we not even part of the original blood line of the Duchy. Which is no worse in my opinion that having no blood line at all. Adoption into the nobility doesn't have to be through blood in my view.

Also at one point Karl Zirn could have died without a blood relative to assume the position for Arnold.

My circumstance meant I would have never seen that as a hard and fast rule that would prevent RBG's holding the position of Steward or Duke.

Thanks for the clarification.

No problem! :yes:

I just saw what I thought was established law, and then applied it to today's circumstances. I didn't even think of the context in which the law was created in or Austria's past situation. That's why I didn't see it as "bending" or "over-analyzing". It was "assuming". No less a crime but a different crime. :yes:

Now about my beer flavored shake...

I prefer Guinness...

:clown:

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

No less a crime but a different crime.

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Considering it is a lesser crime the shake options are;

Victoria Bitter

Toohey's or Coopers Pale Ale. :beam:

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Originally Posted by AussieGiant

Considering it is a lesser crime the shake options are;

Victoria Bitter

Toohey's or Coopers Pale Ale. :beam:

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I'm a stout fan myself. Which one of those is the darkest sludgiest beer of the three? I like to eat my beer with a spoon. :beam:

none actually the pale ale is cloudy.

I'm also a dark beer guy myself.

John Smith's, Killkenny, Guiness they are all good.

Guinness is my old stand by. But I also like Imperial Stouts like Samuel Smith and Old Rasputin (9% alcohol beer... :2thumbsup: )

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Guinness is my old stand by. But I also like Imperial Stouts like Samuel Smith and Old Rasputin (9% alcohol beer... :2thumbsup: )

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I think I've had Old Rasputin before...
I also prefer darker beers, which tends to mean Guiness in most American stores, although there are some delicious microbrews where I live now in the Northwest.

~:cheers:

This thread is starting to make me thirsty...

Too bad it's 2:15am where I am. :shame:

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

This thread is starting to make me thirsty...

Too bad it's 2:15am where I am. :shame:

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You must be in the western hemisphere then, it's 12:21 here(Pacific Time).
I don't have any beer at home, but I do have half a bottle of Russia vodka.

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Originally Posted by Zim

You must be in the western hemisphere then, it's 12:21 here(Pacific Time).
I don't have any beer at home, but I do have half a bottle of Russia vodka.

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I'm on US CT. I'm around Chicagoland.

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

I'm on US CT. I'm around Chicagoland.

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I'm in Oregon right now, but I used to live in CT, too (Texas in my case).

Taking the save to recapture Stettin, per TC's permission.

:egypt:

Stettin has been sacked. New save is:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1332-2.zip

I'll be posting screenshots of the results shortly.

:egypt:

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Originally Posted by Ramses II CP

Fritz is so not going to be popular. :no:

:egypt:

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If he starts moving west against some of those nasty Danish stacks ravaging the rest of Franconia and near my border, I'll commission a statue of Saint Fritz to be built in Antwerp, with a plaque detailing his heroic qualities and adventures. :clown:

I have a feeling Stettin is going to be a shell of a city after this, and Fritz is definitely looking for a fight.

Very nice battle report, Ramses II CP, and a brilliant victory! :bow:

Anyone want to place bets on how many religious unrest armies TC will spawn at Stattin for the next year after Ramses' write-up of sack number2 and feeding the fire? :laugh4:

P.S.: The new players may already know it, but in case they don't, and to avoid any problems: When you play a battle, you have exactly one attempt at it. If you get defeated (or your siege tools all get burned down before you get to assault) then that is it and you should write-up the defeat and post the save again. Replaying a battle is not allowed in this PBM even if your character dies in battle. Thank you. :2thumbsup:

I'll put 20 florins on three rebel armies, FH. :clown:

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

Anyone want to place bets on how many religious unrest armies TC will spawn at Stattin for the next year after Ramses' write-up of sack number2 and feeding the fire? :laugh4:

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I'm surprised that there was no added unrest caused from four Catholic and Lutheran armies destroying each other which resulted in the death of three prominent religious figures. Maybe both sides felt it was a draw?

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

I'm surprised that there was no added unrest caused from four Catholic and Lutheran armies destroying each other which resulted in the death of three prominent religious figures. Maybe both sides felt it was a draw?

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There was intense discussion about this behind the scenes and we felt that the Lutheran and Chirstian relief armies that were spawned already were the added unrest. Since the Christians won rather decisively, there would be no additional unrest especially as Hans during his lifetime had persecuted most Lutherans in Swabia already or converted them as he had a bishop and a cardinal with him at all times. Basically: There are not enough Lutherans left at Bern and Catholics won't kill each other for fun.

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

P.S.: The new players may already know it, but in case they don't, and to avoid any problems: When you play a battle, you have exactly one attempt at it. If you get defeated (or your siege tools all get burned down before you get to assault) then that is it and you should write-up the defeat and post the save again. Replaying a battle is not allowed in this PBM even if your character dies in battle. Thank you. :2thumbsup:

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I totally agree. (and my post in the Crusade thread may have inspired your post)

Our avatars are in a war. Things happen. It's crappy but you suck it up. We've had avatars die from assassination, stray flaming catapult shots, and tower arrows. You will get another avatar if yours dies. Many people in here are on their 2nd or 3rd avatar. (GH is about to get his 5th).

Being a medieval general in a faction that is perpetually at war with most of the known world is not a safe profession. :no:

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

You will get another avatar if yours dies.

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Psst, keep that secret! Someone might get the idea of starting at the eldest Steffen child and getting him killed and work his way down the line :bounce:

I'm always surprised to hear about people replaying battles. I don't think it ever even occurred to me until I saw people on the org saying they did it. It's hard enough to lose a battle against the AI as is, and nice when it happens.

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

P.S.: The new players may already know it, but in case they don't, and to avoid any problems: When you play a battle, you have exactly one attempt at it. If you get defeated (or your siege tools all get burned down before you get to assault) then that is it and you should write-up the defeat and post the save again. Replaying a battle is not allowed in this PBM even if your character dies in battle. Thank you. :2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Zim

I'm always surprised to hear about people replaying battles. I don't think it ever even occurred to me until I saw people on the org saying they did it. It's hard enough to lose a battle against the AI as is, and nice when it happens.

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In my SP games, I am a reload fiend. I quick save before the end of every turn. If a general gets a Pagan Magician or a Princess gets a Secret Lover, I reload the save and end the turn again. Same if a general gets assassinated. In the Crusade game, the Egyptians tried to assassinate my generals every turn. If they succeeded, I just reloaded and ended turn again. The generals racked up some mad anti-assassin traits though. ^^

But MP games are different. Since your playing against/with other people you don't reload.

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

Psst, keep that secret! Someone might get the idea of starting at the eldest Steffen child and getting him killed and work his way down the line :bounce:

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That's just evil. Funny... but evil.

Interesting. I can probably count the number of times I've reloaded a game since MTW1 on the fingers of one hand. I tend to do it in the newer games if I order an agent to go one direction and he walks right into a visible enemy unit several steps into his journey and loses all his movement points (If I could, I'd have diplomats flogged for that :whip: ).

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

In my SP games, I am a reload fiend. I quick save before the end of every turn. If a general gets a Pagan Magician or a Princess gets a Secret Lover, I reload the save and end the turn again. Same if a general gets assassinated. In the Crusade game, the Egyptians tried to assassinate my generals every turn. If they succeeded, I just reloaded and ended turn again. The generals racked up some mad anti-assassin traits though. ^^

But MP games are different. Since your playing against/with other people you don't reload.

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The thing of it is, from my perspective, Fritz is rather stuck. There's nothing in him that leads me to believe he's going to back down or show mercy any time soon. If playing him that way gets him killed, he'll die true to himself.

What I mean is, of course as a player I see things from the 'meta game' perspective; I want less religious unrest and so on. Then I read Fritz's life story, and see the things he's done already, where his loyalties lie, and what his traits are and he looked like an, angry, jingoistic, inaccessable, unpleasant guy. He's infertile and unmarried in an era when manhood meant half a dozen children at least.

So I'm not going to be mad if I get put in a dark place and can't make my way out. That's where Fritz is headed anyway. That's probably his logical end.

And, honestly, I don't know if there are enough people left in Stettin to make three stacks of religious nuts. :laugh4:

:egypt:

edit: Though I do imagine Peter, one of the few people he respects, is going to smack him down hard on all counts. After all, Stettin is Peter's city too and by higher authority, and Peter has just become Prinz of the whole Reich, Lutheran and Catholic alike.

Saint Fritz, Ramses, "Saint" Fritz. At least, that is how he will be known in Antwerp if the swords of his men are soaked in the blood of Danes. :clown:

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

(GH is about to get his 5th).

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...and I love them all equally. ~:grouphug:

Well, except for Salier. He was a bit annoying at times.

Can anyone familiar with Factionheir's trait fixer tell me if they know anything about the loyalty traits? My character started with a minor loyalty reducing trait (speaks of loyalty). I'm curious if this is likely to get worse, and if there is a way to reverse it. I have this nagging fear about finding him becoming a rebel unit (the grey rebels, that is) some turn.