Wow, that's quite the turn-around, I'm glad I didn't vote for Ichi. :sweatdrop:
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Wow, that's quite the turn-around, I'm glad I didn't vote for Ichi. :sweatdrop:
Alright, time for another attempt at a theory. I have been looking into Juliette's brother and here is what I have found.
1.) It seems that her brother will go after you if you vote for Ichigo at all. Khaan voted for Ichigo but was not on Andres's final vote tally for day 1. So everyone who thinks they are safe, probably isn't.
2.) I am going out on a limb with this next one but bare with me. I do not believe Juliette's brother will ever vote for her. One, it could cause harm to come to her which is against his "role" from what Ichigo's reveal shows. And two, he would basically have to attack himself.
So, I have made a couple of lists. Here are all of the people that have ever voted for Ichigo.
makaikhaan: dead
Glenn
pevergreen
Crazed Rabbit
Sasaki Kojiro
Husar
TinCow
00jebus: dead
Haudegen
AntiWarmanCake
Privateerkev
The nine of us left alive are all possible victims of the serial killer.
Now here is a list of everyone who never voted for Ichigo.
shlin28: dead
Ichigo: I seriously doubt Juliette is her own brother... :dizzy2:
Tiberius of the Drake
woad&fangs
GeneralHankerchief: dead
Omanes
Yaropolk
Caius
Sarathos
Beefy187
Zorg
Gaius Sribonius Curio
The Stranger: (now Elite Ferret)
Northnovas
Rythmic
LittleGrizzly
Kukrikhan
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Mithrandir
axel
Makanyane
TwilightBlade
Hiji: dead
Bananabob
Tratorix
Proletariat
Seamus Fermanagh: dead
So that leaves 22 possible suspects once you cut out the dead and Ichigo himself. Any of them could be Juliette's brother if my theory is correct.
Ichigo's Suspect List:
Glenn- His initial lurking until someone pointed out the fact that he was lurking is what first pointed at Glenn. He also seems to be restraining his accusations and how much actual detail is in his posts. I'm not sure if he has a pro-town role or mafia role, but I am pretty sure he has some sort of role.
CR- His posting just seems weird, he doesn't normally act in this way. I think he's operating off the assumption that it would be crazy for someone who has a role to act that way. It's a good idea, but it nearly got him lynched last round. I think he has a role of some sort.
More to come later...
If it's legit, would that mean that even if the 3 mobsters are dead, you'd have to go after who juliette's brother is to save who voted for her?
That could end up lynching more people than saving ~:laugh4:.
Don't you get to know if a lynched person is in the maffia?
No, all dead people have hidden roles, we just guess off the death write-ups.
There is still a possibility that Ichigo's reveal was wrong, I don't think it is but after what TC did in the Netherworld mafia I'm suspicious of everone. I also agree that CR's style seems different from normal, he seems very quiet and sarcastic.
If Ichigo's reveal was fake, it was a very bad idea. Juliette would be a top priority target for all three mafia plus the assassin. By revealing as Juliette, whether real or fake, Ichigo has essentially doomed himself. Even if he was mafia and faked it, the other mafia family wouldn't know that his reveal was faked, and thus they would target him, as would the assassin. Not exactly the best method to play as mafia. Ichigo is almost certainly legit.
good point, Ichigo is too much of a veteran to make a mistake like that, he has my trust.
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Originally Posted by Privateerkev
No! I'm in touble! It makes sense though, I think anyone could be kill by Juliette's brother, not just us 9, but us 9 people who voted for him got a better chance.
Wow, what an insightful theory. I am completely blown away by your powers of observation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elite Ferret
~;p
I knew something was off with the cut of his jib.Quote:
Glenn- His initial lurking until someone pointed out the fact that he was lurking is what first pointed at Glenn. He also seems to be restraining his accusations and how much actual detail is in his posts. I'm not sure if he has a pro-town role or mafia role, but I am pretty sure he has some sort of role.
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CR- His posting just seems weird, he doesn't normally act in this way. I think he's operating off the assumption that it would be crazy for someone who has a role to act that way. It's a good idea, but it nearly got him lynched last round. I think he has a role of some sort.
*shifty eyes*
CR
I'm a little bit more optimistic than you. makaikhaan did indeed vote for Ichigo on Day 1. Andres made an error in his final vote tally which put makaikhaan's vote on w&f, but that missed makaikhaan's post which unvoted w&f and re-voted Ichigo. So, at the end of the day makaikhaan's vote actually was on Ichigo. I am hopeful that Andres noticed this error when he was figuring out who the Man in Black would go after. If so it's still possible that the MiB can only kill people who had 'final' votes on Ichigo. For tonight that would be limited to pevergreen and Haudegen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
Emphasis on the hopeful. :juggle2:
FoS: Crazed Rabbit
While one reason I voted for you was to keep Ichigo from getting lynched, your certainly acting suspicious in your own right.
Is Glenn the next person your going to use to keep the suspicion off of yourself?
And can you give us any better defense than, If-I-was-really-mafia-I-would-play-better?
TC: I guess we'll see in a couple hours when we see who Juliette's brother kills. I'm on that list too... o_O
I'm not :2thumbsup: .Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
And if no one is killed, we'll know Ichigo was lying.
I haven't checked, but there are quite a lot of players who haven't posted yet, right? Will they be kicked out of the game? Of does it still count as playing if they don't vote but do kill (if they're maffia)?
The part about Juliette's brother seems too elaborate to be made up. That and it does jive with what we know about Khaan's death.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mithrandir
As for inactive players, I'm assuming there will be some WoG's in a few turns if people don't get more active.
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Originally Posted by Privateerkev
We will see if it jives or not. Hopefully Ichi wasn't lying, I doubt he would be though.
Me Not inactive I think
Why fix it if it ain't broke?Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
CR
Because your not being very helpful. If your not mafia then your at least being a "bad" townie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
Unless something happens in the night report that sheds new light on someone else, you seem to be the best candidate for the next lynch.
Night 3 - Conclusion
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Crazed Rabbit had a bad feeling about what happened during that last day.
He almost got himself lynched! Apparently, being drunk during these meetings wasn't such a good idea after all. Next time, he would pay more attention and, if necessary, just keep his mouth shut.
While he was walking down one of the narrow streets of Taormina, very early in the morning, a man jumped out of the shadows and punched him in the face. Crazed Rabbit fell down, his nose heavily bleeding. The man started to kick him in the stomach, on his back, on his head, knees, ... without saying a word. Crazed Rabbit tried to call for help, but the streets were still empty at this time of the day.
When the beating stopped, Crazed Rabbit tried to get up, not able to speak a word.
Crazed Rabbit finally managed to get on his knees, only to get his head chopped off by a sword.
His murderer kicked the mutilated body a few more times before leaving the scene.
***
Earlier, during the night, in a hotel, a bit further down the same narrow street...
A man entered his room. Another man pushed the first one and punched him in his face. While the first man was recovering from the blow, the agressor took a piano fibre, ready to strangle his victim. Somehow, the first man managed to roll on his side. He pulled his gun and pointed it at his attacker. The shot, aimed at the attacker's head, missed.
Both men stopped their fight, because of the screams of another man further down the hall.
***
A stunning beauty entered the hotel.
A man noticed the beauty entering one of the hotel rooms. It was rumored that this room was occupied by a lovely woman on holiday. He ran down the stairs, to the hall, yelling "It's going to happen! It's going to happen! Two women in one room! Two women in one room! Oh my, oh my!"
Within minutes all remaining male inhabitants were standing in front of the hotel room. Unfortunately, the women were in one of the more expensive rooms of the hotel...
Sound proof walls...
The drooling crowd took turns trying to peek through the keyhole, but they only saw a few dolls and a pair of glasses.
Heavily disappointed, the men went back to their rooms...
***
After the disappointing experience, Glenn decided to take a walk outside.
Something hit him on the head and he fell down unconscious.
When he woke up, he was tied and blindfolded. He groaned, he had an awful headache.
"I have a spoon", a voice whispered in his ear.
"Huh? Please, whoever you are, stop this. Untie me."
"Why did you insult my family?"
"I don't know what you are talking about man, please, untie me!"
"You disappoint me, Glenn. You're usually more talkative and elaborate then that. Let me tell you more about this spoon. It's edges are very sharp. It's a sharp spoon. Are you also a sharp spoon?"
"Untie me! Now! I'm not interested in your spoon!"
"But it's sharp! Sharper then you are... I'll show you how sharp it is."
The man pulled Glenn's tongue out of his mouth.
"Mmwa, huha, ggrlgl", Glenn said.
The spoon cut through Glenn's tongue. Blood filled his mouth. He wanted to scream, but the blood almost suffocated him.
"Let me help you with that," the man said.
Sarcasm being his favourite type of humour, he put the tongue in Glenn's throat, thus helping him to suffocate to dead.
The man grinned.
***
Day 3
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Taormina - Giardino Publico - 7.00 a.m.
Pino saw the crowd gathering before him.
He noticed with regret that today they were fewer in numbers than yesterday.
"Ladies and gentlemen, this morning I found the bodies of Crazed Rabbit and Glenn. Both bodies were severly mutilated. Crazed Rabbit lost his head and Glenn lost his tongue. I also found a bullet and the signs of a struggle in one of the hotel rooms. I don't know for sure what happened, but it seems like somebody picked the wrong target. The supposed victim apparently knows how to handle himself. Unfortunately, I couldn't find anything about the identities of the people involved in the struggle. Well, you know what to do. Start voting!"
The remaining survivors looked at each other. Paranoia was slowly getting Taormina in its' grasp. Would they survive these horrible events?
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Alive (30)
Ichigo
Tiberius of the Drake
woad&fangs
Omanes
Yaropolk
Caius
Sarathos
Beefy187
Zorg
Gaius Sribonius Curio
pevergreen
Sasaki Kojiro
Husar
TinCow
Elite Ferret
Northnovas
Rythmic
LittleGrizzly
Kukrikhan
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Mithrandir
axel
Haudegen
Makanyane
TwilightBlade
AntiWarmanCake
Hiji
Bananabob
Tratorix
Privateerkev
Proletariat
Killed (5)
Seamus Fermanagh
GeneralHankerchief
makaikhaan
Glenn
Crazed Rabbit
Lynched (2)
shlin28
00jebus
WoG'ed (0)
Suicide (1)
Hiji
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It's now day 3. You can start voting. Day will end within +/- 24 hours (around 22.00 (GMT +2)).
WoG will happen as I see fit :evil:
Someone killed Glenn?
:furious3:
Seems like it was Juliette's brother. Which means there are still 8 of us that could be potential victims.
And it looks like I might have been wrong about CR...
But what happened in the one room with the two guys?
Hmmm... too many (attempted) kills... did Ichigo lie? or is one of the guy attacked by Ichigo's brother (Haudegen/pever) mafia???
:inquisitive:
Was this not a real suicide then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yaropolk
Night events are interesting. Serial killer seems to be acting like a vigilante, no attempt on Ichigo, a 3rd (and failed) kill attempt.
I am pretty sure Glenn's murderer was Juliette's brother. It fits with the whole "family" thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by shlin28
The guy who entered the other guy's room was probably mafia. (note the use of wire)
It sounds like Crazed Rabbit was killed by the Yakuza.
are you saying that because CR's death seemed "cruel"?Quote:
Originally Posted by woad&fangs
perhaps I wasn't wrong about CR afterall...
Then who attacked who in the room? :dizzy2:
I think the actions are pretty transparent. CR was killed by someone with kung-fu and a sword. That's obviously a hit by the 'yakuza' family. Glenn was killed by the MiB because he voted for Ichigo, which makes the rest of us poor bastards future targets as well. Ichigo was protected by the prostitute. The description says two women, so that confirms that Ichigo is Juliette, since those are the only two female roles in the game.
Finally, there is a random fight between two men. One has a piano wire, which is the calling card of the Carelli family mafia. The other one is completely unknown to us, but can defend himself. There are only two roles not accounted for with this action: the hitman and the Carabinieri. I highly doubt that the Carabinieri would be immune to a hit for balance purposes, but the hitman can ally with either the mafia or the town after Juliette is gone, so immunity to at least one hit seems like it's an acceptable balance for that role. So, my guess is that the fight between two men was the Carelli family attempting to kill the hitman. Because the fight took place in the hotel, it is my guess that the hitman was after Juliette, but was either interrupted by the Carelli hitman or was blocked by the prostitute.
So the Yakuza guy killed CR because,
a.) he did an investigation and found out CR was Carelli or
b.) just felt like killing CR
cruel, and he was finished off by a sword.
also, vote: Curio. I got bored last night and started looking at peoples profiles. You were PMing someone. I then looked at your recent posts on the forum. I didn't find any obvious reason for you to PM someone unless it involved this game.
I know it's pretty flimsy evidence so I'll change my vote if a better suspect is brought up.
he was PM'ing me. we were chatting.
Glenn, Curio, and I had formed a small little townie group to share information and ideas.
But now Glenn is dead...
:furious3:
I'm interested in him as well, as Curio was someone who seemed unreasonably suspicious of CR. He's a prime yakuza candidate. I'll look through the thread again before voting.Quote:
Originally Posted by woad&fangs
Considering that Ichigo's reveal is almost completely confirmed to be true, we can assume that 00jebus really was guilty. Since the MiB, yakuza, and one Carelli appear to have been present last night, and the hitman was likely present as well, that means that 00jebus must have been a Carelli member, since his death would otherwise have removed a calling card from the game. This is consistent with the description in Ichigo's reveal that he was caught with a piano wire. So, we've almost certainly lynched a Carelli mafioso.
One interesting thing to keep in mind from now on is that the surviving Carelli family member now knows the identity of the hitman, though the hitman may not know the identity of the Carelli mafioso. We need to be on the lookout for two things: (1) the Carelli mafioso may try to get the hitman lynched or (2) the Carelli mafioso may try to recruit the hitman. Since the Carelli family is now down to one killer, I think the latter is far more likely.
notice there is a time difference in the kills?
CR was killed early in the morning but the fight between the two men happened earlier that night.
Since we're reasonbly sure 00jebus was Carelli, then CR could have been the last Carelli. He could have broken into someone's room, failed the hit, and then got hit himself a few hours later.
As for Curio, I just don't see it. :no:
Having reread, I don't find curio suspicious. Much of my suspicion of those on the Crazed Rabbit wagon was based on the assumption that Ichigo was guilty and the CR wagon was an attempt to draw fire away from him.
Plausible, but the same reasoning could also allow for CR to be the prostitute, the hitman, or the MiB. He could also have been the detective or just a normal townie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
The CR wagon was an attempt to draw fire away from Ichigo, but because we thought Ichigo was "power-town". It was a hunch based on how Ichigo was acting. Glenn, Curio and I decided to try to protect Ichigo. I even PM'd you asking for your help. But people were convinced Ichigo was guilty, and others piled on the band-wagon, so Ichigo had to reveal to save his own life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Curio was helping us out. :yes:
My unrelated 2 cents
Yesterday Ichigo mentioned that he believed Khaan to be the hitman (aka Manfredo). Now that there has been no attempted attack on him this night, this has become a serious possibility.
I´d like to hear from Ichigo why he believes this.
Aside from that I´d guess that the fight in the hotel was between a Carelli and the secret role (man in black). Why would a policeman reside in a hotel room? Another possibility is that the Carelli guy attacked Manfredo, assuming that Ichigo was wrong with suspecting Khaan.
I am operating off of the assumption that the yakuza would not hit townies until the Carellis are dead. Every turn he delays hitting the Carellis increases the chance that the Carellis will hit him by accident because they will assume he is a normal townie.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Therefore, I find it possible that CR was the last Carelli. It is just a guess but it seems like a likely way for the yakuza to behave. We'll see if there are anymore Carelli style deaths after today.
I assure you, good people, I had no role.
Anyway, I find this hilarious:
Three minutes before we find out I got killed in the night.Quote:
Unless something happens in the night report that sheds new light on someone else, you seem to be the best candidate for the next lynch.
Apparently the Yakuza thought I had a role. So it would seem my behavior made them avoid other, possibly pro-town, targets to get me instead. Like taking a bullet for the president.
So I was helpful. :beam:
CR
Night time speculation is all well and good, but we're kind of left high and dry as far as voting goes. The only person I'm somewhat suspicious of is TinCow but there isn't much there beyond being a bit too cautious.
I suspect our best conversation starter today will be speculation on who the yakuza is based on who would have tried to kill crazed rabbit. PK, have you considered the possibility that one of your "townie" buddies was willing to go along with your plan because they had a guilty result on CR? Or maybe someone who was voting for him became convinced he was guilty and tried to kill him.
Shades of Mafia VII, where my wacky behavior convinced the mafia I was the detective ~DQuote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
It does occur to me that we now have a way to remove any doubt about Sasaki. Sasaki was blocked by the prostitute on Night 1. The PM he posted about it indicated that he was doing nothing, which would almost guarantee that he was a normal townie or, at the worst, the MiB. The only reason to doubt him is the fact that he posted his own PM results, which would allow him to alter them from what they really said. However, Ichigo is pretty much confirmed as Juliette and he also knows who the prostitute is. It would be useful if Ichigo could operate as a mouthpiece for the prostitute on this issue. Can she confirm that her result PM from Night 1 also indicated that Sasaki was doing nothing?
Conversation about CR came about because we thought his 4 small posts were weird. And we were looking at directing the lynch towards someone else because we thought Ichigo was innocent. Everything developed from that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
So, why would the yakuza take a night off of his "Carelli hunting" to go after you if your just a townie?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
Remember, the yakuza can only kill or investigate. So that means he would have had to stop his investigation in order to kill you. I don't see him doing that if your a townie.
Ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
I disagree PK. Look at the role descriptions:Quote:
Originally Posted by PK
The carelli's have to kill everyone to get the nukes out. Taketsi also has to get the nukes out. It follows that taketsi has to kill all the townies even though the description doesn't mention that specifically.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
khaan was killed.Quote:
Yesterday Ichigo mentioned that he believed Khaan to be the hitman (aka Manfredo). Now that there has been no attempted attack on him this night, this has become a serious possibility.
He does but it makes sense to go for the Carelli's first. Because the Carellis could kill him without even knowing he is yakuza. And it is more effecient to investigate 2 people a night, than kill 1 a night. That would allow him to target the Carellis as soon as he discovers them. I don't see any reason for him to let the Carellis stay alive after he has dicovered them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Also, going through my PM's, what actually brought CR onto our radar was his vote for Glenn. He went after "one of us". We're a pretty tight knit group and we didn't like that. That caused Curio and I to look at CR's posting record. Based on his record, and the need to get the heat off of Ichigo, we tried to get CR lynched.
Wait a second. You claim that you were working for Ichigo, but you went so far as to vote for his lynch earlier in the same day. What exactly caused you to become so convinced of his innocence that you switched from voting for him to working hard to deflect attention towards CR?Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
Because Ichigo posted this: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=369Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
In it, he says, "As to your theory PK I cannot disprove what you say. I can only say I am not a killer."
Something about it seemed very "non-mafia" like. But possibly a "power-town". I didn't want to talk about it on the thread so I PM'd Ichigo with this:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
He then replied with this:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Based off of that, Glenn, Curio, and I tried to save him. I approached Sasaki about it but he was convinced that Ichigo was guilty. So, Ichigo had to reveal or be lynched.
Omanes has been rather quiet...
That one line was all it took to change your mind from guilty to pro-town special role? I urge you to use more caution in future games. I used that exact same line to hide my serial killer status in Netherworld.Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
:embarassed:Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
but i ended up being right...
Indeed Vote:OmanesQuote:
Originally Posted by woad&fangs
There are a lot of townies to kill though, so killing townies is has to be factored in to efficiency. I'm not really sure if there are any real conclusions that can be drawn from this analysis though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
I agree that we've got way too many lurkers. BananaBob was relatively verbose in Netherworld, but his contributions here have been limited to these three gems. His abstain caught my eye the first time I saw it, since he had been happy to bandwagon GH in the first round, but was then proving cautious on the second round, when we actually had a few things to discuss.
Vote: BananaBob
I was not blocked. I assumed it was me when I first read the write-up, but I received my investigation results later.
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Crazed Rabbit = innocent
Andres
I'll join in on
vote:omanes.
I'm no good in analysing and too new to maffia to make any well thought out reasoning...
Vote:LittleGrizzly I'd like to hear more from him and Northnovas. Both have been semi-lurking, but LG hasn't posted since the beginning of the game iirc.
Let the lurkers get Wogged.
Anyone who doesn't should be focused on the next round but right now this tactic is very easy for mafia to hide behind.
In the last 2 big mafia games, mafia have been wogged.
:inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
And? If they're wog'd, that just increases the towns chances of winning.
Well what do you want me to say? There have been enough analytical post made and read I wouldn't know what to write. So I read (lurk) and vote. I did miss the last vote because I didn't know who to vote for and by the time I got back and read the time limit was up.
How am I doing so far for taking up space. ~D
I don't have the time to analyze and form the facts to support a theory. A Townie can do it just has well has Mafia lurking. Just like some members are better posting an observation then others. :yes:
I admit I am a lurker do I need help for this condition? :clown: :clown:.
Hi everyone I am a Townie my name is Northnovas and I like to lurk. :help:
It helps analyze you. If you lurk it makes it almost impossible for us to do that. It just seems like you're trying to hide something. I think it would be a good idea to keep an eye Northnovas.
Yes, apparently he would (see Ichigo's post above).Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
Even in death, I have the last laugh over a killer who lacks style and substitutes amateurish brutality for it ~;p
CR
I can confirm this. I was already suspicious of CR, and when we went searching we didn't like what we saw.Quote:
Originally Posted by PrivateerKev
Seems like we were wrong, but our objective was acheived.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
BTW... apologies CR :embarassed:
Then I'm at a loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
My apologies CR. :bow:
You were acting weird though. And with my lack of knowledge on how people have acted in previous games, I can only go by how you act in this one.
Your primary objective was not the same as the town. The pressure on Ichigo caused him to reveal and 00jebus got lynched, a boon for the town. Ichigo's primary objective is not the same as the town, even if they are aligned in a way. If you had succeeded in lynching me without much resistance 00jebus would still be alive and Ichigo would have no reason to share that info with the town.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaius Scribonius Curio
You're new to mafia, but you should know in a large unique game like this you can never trust anyone. Certainly not a role like Juliette where their goal is not the same as the town. Ichigo didn't tell you guys to go after 00jebus until he was in danger of death, did he?
The prostitute should try and find the remaining mobster and the yakuza. For the town, that is more important than the survival of Juliette.
CR
Key part now bolded for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Curio
Although I accept that you're probably right.
Well, I had a fantastic night of fetishism with the prostitute last night. I need to reread the last day and process the most recent revelations before I can add anything of real value.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
GH said we should leave wogbait. If they save themselves, they are potential mafia.
Xdeath got wogged in Netherworld. 2/3 mafia got wogged in preschool, the third was wogbait a lot.
But we can use Juliette's ability to investigate. It cleared your name btw...Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
Your word is given more weight due to the fact that your seen by Juliette as innocent.
As for why Ichigo did not reveal 00jebus, he was trying to remain secret. I actually remember now Glenn saying something about Ichigo asking what he thought of 00jebus. We didn't think much of it. We didn't know what role Ichigo had. He was pretty vague but that might have been his attempt at letting us know. Then when you and other townies forced him to reveal, he was able to provide the hard evidence against 00jebus.
Well that ruined my day.
While everyone else was out peering through Proletariat's window, I was getting my tongue pierced.
Tell me, can I still PM other players? Or is that not possible for the dead?
I can't honestly find any leads on who the Mafioso's would have been simply because I was the one who died.
Obviously, this is because it was a toss up between me, PrivateerKev and other very active - loud-mouthed players.
The main thing is that someone else takes my place and keeps talking, searching and keeping lurkers like;
Omanes
Out in the spotlight.
Anyway, the only use I can make of my post-mortem comment is to confirm PrivateerKev's claim;
I made a small trio with GSC and PK, and we were discussing how to bring a great number of townies together so that we could discuss intentions away from the manipulations and lies of this thread.
Ichigo, Sasaki, and Rythmic were candidates for being brought into our inner circle, and I believe they still are.
I also believe those three players should be a little more open, because we had trouble confirming their inclusion - due to the strange responses we received.
God save Taormina.
Glenn,
Here is the pertinent rules regarding what the dead can do:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
I know CR thinks he was killed because we made it seem that he had a role but I have another idea.
What if he was killed because it would cast suspicion on us?
I wonder if the next person I vote for will get killed too.
I'll still vote, I'm just going to have to be more careful.
And right now I don't have any good suspects. There are lurkers but GH has a point with just letting them get WoG'd.
CR was proven innocent.
Prole was on my list but she slept with the prostitute and couldn't have done anything last night.
TS left the game and was replaced by EF. I want to wait and see how EF plays the character.
Omanes is suspicious but I don't have any more than my hunch and the hunch of a few players. He has never returned my PM's but I know he received them because he went and changed his vote in turn 1. He's seeming stand-offish and I have heard that is out of character for him.
FoS: Omanes
I know, that's the point. Ichigo was doing what was best for him, not the town, and you guys followed him completely.Quote:
As for why Ichigo did not reveal 00jebus, he was trying to remain secret. I actually remember now Glenn saying something about Ichigo asking what he thought of 00jebus. We didn't think much of it. We didn't know what role Ichigo had. He was pretty vague but that might have been his attempt at letting us know. Then when you and other townies forced him to reveal, he was able to provide the hard evidence against 00jebus.
Glenn, it is wrong to seclude discussion from this thread. The town wins with discussion, the mafia when the discussion is fractured.
CR
I told PK I wasn't completely sure of your innocence. I am still not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Yeah well I thought it would be better to keep him hidden than force him to reveal. I suspected he had investigation powers so I thought it better to let him stay hidden and investigate people. But I didn't know he had evidence against 00Jebus. I found that out when all of you did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
Hind-sight is always 20/20. We did the best we could with the limited information we had. I gambled that we found someone worth protecting and we did the best we could. :shrug:
Yes, it was best for me, but it was also good for the town. Why are you trying to paint me as the bad guy here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
You knew who was killing some of the townspeople and did not share that information. Your goals may align in general with the town, but that does not make the town victory your top goal. Your not a bad guy, but neither should you be completely trusted. This is mafia, remember?
CR
I can't kill anyone except for the hitman, so I'm hardly a threat to anyone. There is no way my goal could possibly hurt the townie's goals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
Or Ichigo isn't Juliette....Quote:
Originally Posted by Haudegen
despite everyone thinking this is proved it still smells a bit wrong to me, rather like everyone being conducted by TC in Netherworld. Juliette finding two major roles so quickly is straining credibility - but at the moment I can't figure out what alternative plot might be!
Means unfortunately trying to read entire thread again so will vote later
Will be back later, but in the meantime, to (hopefully) generate some activity and discussion...
Vote:Zorg
He's lurking... we'll see if this brings him out. (Plus can't be bothered thinking atm... as I said will be back later).
Sorry Andres im hopeless..
Could you WoG me please as I cannot keep up with whats happening and finish the loads of works I got at the same time. You can keep me alive but I doubt that I cant do much except saving my self from WoG
I would return soon as this term finish which is in about a month.
See you again until then
So much for that idea... :laugh4:
Unvote: Zorg
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Vote: Abstain...
...for now...
that was a quick change of mind - were you expecting an instant response from him? was he even online?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaius Scribonius Curio