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Re: Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia
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Originally Posted by
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Correction: it was a hockey game.
Is there a difference?
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Re: Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia
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Originally Posted by
Privateerkev
Is there a difference?
:hide:
One has big sticks, the other doesn't.
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Re: Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia
Alright, now that I'm off work, I'm going to comb through the reports again.
N1: I couldn't find anything missing.
D1: I couldn't find anything missing here either.
N2:
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Andre, out of breath, stopped automatically to wave back and chat with the man. "Excellent morning for running, I do say," he said aimiably.
Quote:
Craterus, deep in the Frontroom marshes, watched the ducks fly away with his high-powered binoculrs.
So that is an S and an A respectively.
D2:
Quote:
Apparently not having got the message, this obviously coldhearted, callous, unfeeling individual quickly earned the ire of everyone around him by cracking (bad) jokes, voting for weird reasons, and generally ot taking the process seriously.
Quote:
You ee, thanks to the OBI's meddling, I didn't even have an execution planned.
So that is an N and an S respectively.
N3:
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"Downtown," he muttered, pocketing his bioculars and getting into his old blue car.
Quote:
From what he gathered, it had to be there, consdering that the birds were flying in all directions away from that area and that he had heard the shot from his house, meaning that it was probably fired on a roof where there wasn't much to block the sound from going far.
So that is an N and an I respectively.
S A N S N I
Only two names have those six letters in them.
Sigurd Fafnesbane and Omanes Alexandrapolites who is dead.
I'm pretty sure I found all the missing letters so far. One trick is to go to each night/day summary, hit "quote", and look at all the misspelled words that are underlined in red. A word of warning though, this trick would not have found "Andre". So you still need to read carefully.
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Re: Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia
When I am a townie, I do hope that I'm not useless, if nothing else I am active, and I do provoke discussion.
Unvote: Kage by the way.
its pever
Hmmm, I do believe over analysation with the missing letters, I think wait for more writeups, it could just be a storyline thing...
I could vote myself, but...
Vote: Sarathos
Im pretty sure he is guilty.
If I am lynched, I request that I yell at everyone for using the capital and falcon punch someone, then get killed. :laugh4:
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Re: Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia
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Originally Posted by
Privateerkev
So that is an N and an I respectively.
S A N S N I
Only two names have those six letters in them.
Sigurd Fafnesbane and Omanes Alexandrapolites who is dead.
:gah2: I missed that many? I used MS Word's spellchecker though + going manually, so I'm not surprised :grin:
SANSNI. Hmmmm I'm starting to think it may not directly be a name but a hint.
Note the map had French writing.
Sans = without
Ni = Nor/Neither
Together they tend to be used as sans X ni Y. Like Sans foi ni loi (without spirit nor morals).
So we may still be looking for more clues somewhere. Or a name that means neither nor / without nor or a name that is lacking something.
Actually, can you find anything else missing/wrong between the second S and the second N and something after the I? Like a letter, number, anything? Because then it could mean something like:
Sans P ni K (like a name without P nor K for instance)
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Re: Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia
Voting over.
Stand by for the execution.
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Re: Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia
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Originally Posted by
FactionHeir
Actually, can you find anything else missing/wrong between the second S and the second N and something after the I? Like a letter, number, anything? Because then it could mean something like:
Sans P ni K (like a name without P nor K for instance)
Sorry, I can't figure it out. :shrug:
Day 2, where the first N and second S were missing, we're in parts specifically to do with EliteFerret.
And in Night 3, where the second N and first I were missing, we're in the same paragraph. And that was where TevashSzat was trying to figure out where the birds were flying away from.
So, neither EF nor Tevash?
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Re: Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia
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Originally Posted by
Privateerkev
Alright, now that I'm off work, I'm going to comb through the reports again.
N1: I couldn't find anything missing.
D1: I couldn't find anything missing here either.
N2:
So that is an S and an A respectively.
D2:
So that is an N and an S respectively.
N3:
So that is an N and an I respectively.
S A N S N I
Only two names have those six letters in them.
Sigurd Fafnesbane and Omanes Alexandrapolites who is dead.
I'm pretty sure I found all the missing letters so far. One trick is to go to each night/day summary, hit "quote", and look at all the misspelled words that are underlined in red. A word of warning though, this trick would not have found "Andre". So you still need to read carefully.
I think that counting Day writeups in probably an incorrect move. Leaves S-A-N-I.
A greek resort, a Hindu name for the god Saturn, a name often used in 419 scams...not sure we have anything complete.
Substitution using 8 (for mafia eight) yields A-I-V-Q...but this seems even less helpful.
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Re: Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia
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Originally Posted by
Seamus Fermanagh
I think that counting Day writeups in probably an incorrect move. Leaves S-A-N-I.
Yeah but the letters missing on Day 2 are uber-obvious and should not be discounted.
He left the N out of "not" and the S out of "see". I don't see those being accidents. Plus they show up in the .org's automatic red underlined spell checker.
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Re: Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia
If you have that enabled, I dont.
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Re: Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia
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Originally Posted by
peverpink
If you have that enabled, I dont.
It's weird. I have it at home (firefox) but not at work (IE).
I have no idea how to turn it on.
But there is a manual spell checker function when you write posts that you can use.
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Re: Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia
Firefox has a spell check function. IE does not.
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Re: Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia
Day 3 of the attack on the Frontroom. Six were gone, four courtesy of the mafia, two by the town's own hand. Shortly that number would rise to three, for sunset and thus the counting of the votes drew near.
The unlucky third lynchee appeared more and more likely to be peverpink, who had committed the critical error of goofing around too much. Apparently, even the barbaric execution of Elite Ferret during the previous day had failed to convince him to wise up and get serious about things. pever was about to pay the ultimate price.
"Kill the jokester! Kill the jokester!"
It was all too familiar. The town had yet to take out their mob clothing, torches, and pitchforks, but the reason that they were going after pever was exactly the same. pever, realizing far too late that he had taken things too far, tried to backpedal and plead with the town to spare him.
"Okay, I admit it! I lied! So what if I wasn't the Detective, I'm still a townie! I'm still with you guys!"
The town wasn't buying it. pever picked up the villagers' bloodlust, exhibiting a sixth sense akin to when certain animals detect fear. Remembering what had happened to EF the night before, he realized his chances of survival remaining among the townspeople weren't good. He scrambled up the execution platform, cowering behind Chief of Police Beirut, once again paralleling the lynching of yesterday.
"All right, look. I know I'm going to be lynched, so-"
"That's right," Beirut interrupted, "You are. I was about to read the tally."
"Everyone knows it's me. Can we just get on with it? I'd prefer a quick death."
"Hold on there, young'un," Beirut said. "Procedure must be honored." He cleared his throat, speaking to the rest of the angry town.
"Gentlemen," he began, "You have chosen to execute Peverpink for crimes of the Frontroom today..."
"peverpink with a lowercase 'p'", the condemned muttered under his breath."
"...now then," Beirut said, finishing up, "He is to die!"
The crowd cheered wildly. An outside observer witnessing this scene might have noted that the villagers of the Frontroom were perhaps too into it, chanting and screaming and calling for engeance. Now, finally, the mob clothes and torches and pitchforks came out, completing the déjà vu.
"peverpink," Beirut boomed. "You are hereby sentenced to death by immolation. If you are religious, now would be a good time to pray."
Looking around, pever noticed the crowd gripping their torches tighter, as if preparing to throw them. "Now, waitaminute," he said, "You're gonna waste your brand new execution platform on me? And what about you? You're here too!"
Beirut chuckled. "Unfortunately for you, only the top of the platform is flammable. And as for me, well... the Chief of Police always has a way out." Pressing a button, a propellor popped out of the top of Beirut's police hat. A second later, he was puttering above the crowd and out of sight, leaving pever to the mercy, or lack thereof, of the crowd.
The immolation was bright enough to illuminate Beirut's way home.
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Still alive: (29)
Ichigo
RoadKill
TinCow
woad&fangs
shlin28
makaikhaan
Sasaki Kojiro
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Caius
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Sarathos
Mithrandir
Beefy187
Tiberius of the Drake
KukriKhan
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88
Crazed Rabbit
Fenring
Lord Winter
CountArach
Kommodus
Rythmic
Seamus Fermanagh
Quintus.J.Cicero
Kagemusha
georgeman51
discovery1
FactionHeir
Joe Monks
Killed:
Tratorix
Omanes Alexandrapolites
Andres
Craterus
LittleGrizzly
TevashSzat
Executed:
Privateerkev
Elite Ferret
peverpink
PMs please.
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Re: Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia
So, a missing V?
I'm not convinced the missing letters are important. Puzzles are fun though. I recall the Godfather two were the bolded words in the writeup turned out to have no significance whatsoever.
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Re: Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia
D3:
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An outside observer witnessing this scene might have noted that the villagers of the Frontroom were perhaps too into it, chanting and screaming and calling for engeance.
That makes it V.
S A N S N I V
Did anyone find a 2nd? I couldn't.
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Re: Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia
missing a V in vengeance for those paying attention to such things.
edit: too slow I guess
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Re: Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia
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Re: Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia
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Originally Posted by
Sasaki Kojiro
Slowpokes :laugh4:
Yeah well I was busy adding context. ~;p
:clown:
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Re: Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia
I didn't see anything else other than the colloquialism.
I'd be willing to bet the first part is supposed to be "sans". However, I think the rest is yet to be revealed, and we'll probably have to wait longer to see what it's supposed to be.
So right now, we've got "without..."
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Re: Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia
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Originally Posted by
makaikhaan
I didn't see anything else other than the colloquialism.
I'd be willing to bet the first part is supposed to be "sans". However, I think the rest is yet to be revealed, and we'll probably have to wait longer to see what it's supposed to be.
So right now, we've got "without..."
Now this is sounding a lot more like something GH would do. A recognizable pattern that spells out direct words, but the substance behind the words will not become apparent until very late in the game. I suspect it will give us a clue as to the mafia's identity, but without specifically spelling out a name.
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Vote: Ichi for failing to bandwagon be like I asked him to.
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Re: Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia
Google actually has an entry for S A N S N I V (near bottom of page). It's in French, and I think (not being a french-speaker) it refers to educational levels in a survey. "Sans niv indicating 'without formal education'. French speakers can gratefully correct me, please. What that might have to do with our game, or identifying a player, I dunno. Just throwing it out there as something to pursue if other evidence refers back.
Would GH go so far as to resort to a French word ('sans') to be included as a twist-clue? Maybe. It's fairly common English borrowing-usage.
Nevertheless, his correction of 'chargees' (where he explains that 'charges' was correct usage, he thought (correctly)) leads me to believe we are on the right track pursuing individual alphabetical letters to suss out clues, not the pages-wrapped-in-envelopes type of letters.
So, 7 letters/characters so far. With no doubt, more to come. Based on the numbers of players, I'd guess we have about 9-10 more day/night cycles to go. If GH goes to pattern, the 'message' to the town could be up to 9 more characters/letters. But to win, we town will need to solve the puzzle/cryptogram in the next 3-4 phases, lest the bad guy's killing abilities exceed our remaining numbers.
So: S A N S N I V plus 4 more letters to reveal something that might (might) help us. On top of, of course, the usual psychoanlaysis we do.
I see that Seamus has applied a crypto rule he's familiar with; anyone else friendly with letter-substitution schemes, or sequence-pattern paradigms?
-pause for dinner-
and we might also consider the source of the 'watch the letters' clue. What might have motivated him to utter such a phrase, on the event of his death?
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Re: Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia
Putting it in backwards gets you a shiplog and a kid from Norway a couple people down is a guy named Sigurd. Also, Navians which is mostly google hits about Scandinavia. :shrug:
Propellor is also misspelled, should be propeller.
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Re: Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia
So the letters are S A N S N I V (E?). I really don't know how they're going to help us though.
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I've been discounting misspelled words since the "hint" said to look for "missing" letters. There are at least 3 misspelled words total left in the reports. I've just ignored them for the purpose of this exercise.
Same reason why I've ignored the guy with the hurt nose. Ichigo figured out what letters should have been put in but we have not been using them.
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Re: Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia
I guess the hidden message might be in French since the clue were in French.
Sans niv...
I have French in my clue dictionary and there are not too many words that starts with niv.
Either a form of niveau (level), nivéole (snowflake) or nivôse (fourth month of Republican calendar).
Maybe someone else has a bigger dictionary.
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Re: Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia
I believe GH speaks at least a bit of French, so the message being in French is certainly a possibility.
makaikhaan should know better then to attack Tiberius who always behaves like this in mafia games. And I'm getting bad vibes from FactionHeir as well.
Why the FoS on TinCow, Sasaki?
EDIT: oh, and can someone dig up PK's corpse and lynch it again? Not knowing the difference between hockey and soccer football :no:
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Re: Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia
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Originally Posted by Privateerkev
I've been discounting misspelled words since the "hint" said to look for "missing" letters. There are at least 3 misspelled words total left in the reports. I've just ignored them for the purpose of this exercise
I was going to say somethinga bout those, but I wasn't sure either. Could be it GH's intention or just some simply mistake, though it would be handy to remember those words just incase.
Just a crazy idea I had, what if we are looking at these letters the wrong way. What if the word isn't actually SANSNIV, but VINSANS...? I have done a little bit on reasearcj on it but haven't come up with anything so far.
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:gah2: you guys found the clue while I was sleeping!
Anyway. I found the use of the word "puttering" a bit odd as well. freedictionary links it to pottering for some reason.
Maybe its missing a S at the start?
On the other hand, if we go back to the write ups, there was no missing in D1, but 2 in D2, and discounting what I just said, 1 in D3.
This suggests he forgot one in D1 and thus had an extra one in D2.
Also, note that the Day writeup missing letters are always at the start of the word while the missing letters in the N write ups so far where in the middle or end of the word. This may have some significance.
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Re: Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia
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Originally Posted by
Sarathos
Just a crazy idea I had, what if we are looking at these letters the wrong way. What if the word isn't actually SANSNIV, but VINSANS...? I have done a little bit on reasearcj on it but haven't come up with anything so far.
You mean Sans Vin, as in Without Wine? No WIFOM? :cry: :clown:
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Re: Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia
English-based anagrams for what we have so far:
Vans Sin
Vans Ins
Van Sins
Not ringing a bell with me. Gonna try some more complicated crypto protocols, especially the predictive kind. You know, like: 'what's the next letter/number in the following sequence...?'.
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This place translates english/greek/hebrew letters and assigns numbers to them, when they're trying to find predictions in biblical script.
S: 200
A: 1
N: 50
I: 10
V: 500
So, S+A+N+S+N+I+V = 200+1+50+200+50+10+500 = 1011
Still not telling me much. Grrr. Keep looking.
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Methinks you mighty mafia veterans are over-thinking this code, perhps it just means WITHOUT V?
Could it be that the code just mean the name of one mafia has no V? :book:
Which then leads to this list:
Which doesn't help a lot... :sweatdrop: Guess we would have to wait couple more phases before we get anything concret.
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Re: Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia
Or maybe the code gives us nothing in order to get the mafia, just a nice distraction/puzzle?
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Re: Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia
Well, it was given as a hint. I say there is no harm in looking into it. As long as you guys keep lynching in the meantime. :D
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This is out of the wild blue yonder, I know... but if I were forced today to decide who the clue points to, based on what little we know, it would be |Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88. He has "missing letters" in his username (|'s and 88's) and has publicly announced that he is home-schooled, hence 'without formal education" or Sans niv. And he has posted a mere 4 times so far.
Would GH know this home-schooling info? Maybe. Why would he hint at Warman? If we figure out who the clue points too (if it indeed points to any player) what will it tell us - the identity of a mafia or the det or some new special role?
So, all I have now is not a full Finger, but rather a tiny Pinky of Suspicion (PoS: Warman).
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Re: Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia
I don't think we've got enough letters yet to figure out what it says. It would be unbalanced if GH had provided a way for the town to figure out who the mafioso are this early in the game. It's probably timed to become more easily solvable at the do-or-die point for the town. If it's an anagram, we definitely cannot solve it right now since we're missing letters. We could be missing the first half of the phrase and not even be aware of it, so that makes anagram crunching nearly impossible. I think it's more likely that it's a direct clue, though, without further coding. I agree that it's intended to read "sans niv...." as that does seem like a plausible start to a sentence so far.
That said, I think we need to keep this whole letter thing in perspective. Let's make sure we check it each day for the updates and try to figure it out, but it was be a HUGE mistake to ignore all the normal methods of post analysis and detective results. Those methods have worked perfectly fine in the past and they should not be abandoned or ignored. It would be far easier for a clever mafioso to screw up our analysis of the letters than our analysis of the entire thread. We need to continue focusing on the information available in the thread itself, and use the letters as a 'bonus'.
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Re: Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia
Good perspective TinCow. Besides, I'm going cross-eyed trying different cyper-keys, and reading up on the various numerological systems and adherents - ye gods, they're as bad as conspiracy theorists. I was almost convinced that I was a secret communist-terrorist-Member of the Circle-trigon Klingon society. :beam:
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Re: Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia
Kills are going to be up a little late tonight. Apologies, but I just came back from a Mock Trial banquet and have about 30 pages of final essays to write over the next two nights, so yeah. They will be up though.
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Re: Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia
I think we need a rule that any post about the missing letters must also contain something about the regular discussion.
So that I don't break my own rule, um, fos:tincow
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Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. Nature itself, perhaps disturbed by all of the attacks on the village in the past days, seemed to be unsettled. The birds-
Oh, screw the birds.
Crazed Rabbit was hiding out on a small farm on the outskirts of town. He had picked it specifically because of its size, obscurity, and distance away from downtown, where the previous day's villains had shown themselves. Rabbit knew he would be isolated, but didn't care that much. The Chief of Police always found a way to summon everybody, no matter where they were hidden.
He was currently located not in the farmhouse, but in the empty barn nearby. With daylight poking through the cracks, Rabbit decided to explore the vast space and search for hiding places. Aside from a couple of stables, there really weren't many features at all aside from the usual hay littering the floor.
"Peasant Phill wuz here" was scratched into one of the many slats of wood.
The total silence of the place was both overwhelming and comforting. For better or for worse, Rabbit knew that he was completely alone. Yes, there was no mafioso, but there was also no help, no rescue. He was on his own.
Several hours passed by, with the barn heating up by the minute. It would be a scorcher today, and Rabbit, used to blasting the air conditioning in his comfortable house, just couldn't fight through it. At a bit before noon, he opened the barn door and stepped out into the air.
Immediately, a man nearby, holding a hoe, turned. Despite his location, the farm tool was the one thing that looked out of place, for the man was dressed in a trenchcoat and fedora and smoking what looked to be a Cuban cigar. Rabbit couldn't understand how this man could stomach the heat.
The well-dressed man waved at Rabbit, gently setting the hoe aside and making his way towards the other person.
"Morning!" he said cheerily. "It's certainly a hot one, but it's still a beautiful day!"
Rabbit was not convinced, the sense of dread passing over him. "What are you doing here?"
The man looked taken aback. "What do you mean what am I doing here?" he said. "This is my farm! I could ask the same thing about you!"
"This farm was abandoned. Nice try, mafioso."
Smoked out, the mafioso fumbled around for a second. Only a second. "Uh, um..." he said, bending down. In a flash, his revolver was out and firing; Crazed Rabbit went down screaming. Both of his kneecaps had been hit. He was effectively paralyzed.
Rabbit was prepared to take the finishing blow. Instead, he creaned his neck around and watched as the mafioso walked into the barn, whistling a merry tune. Opening a secret compartment, the mafioso rummaged around until he found what he wanted and walked out, still humming the same tune.
As the mafioso approached closer and closer, Rabbit could read what he was carrying; it was a container of some sort with the letters "PETROL" stamped on it.
Being unable to get away, Crazed Rabbit could only watch and feel the wetness as the mafioso emptied the contents on the container onto him. Once it was done to suffiency, the mafioso stepped back (way back) and flicked the still-lit cigar onto his victim.
It was over extremely quick.
woad&fangs had a similar approach to surviving any contact with persons of questionable affiliation, although it was a variation on the theme. Instead of opting for solitude, W&F had instead chosen security, fortifying his own house to the point where it resembled an army checkpoint more than a domestic dwelling.
Like any smart citizen, he had his plan mapped out. Around the full perimeter of his property (and extending a bit off it, in case anybody wanted to try a drive-by grenading) was a series of invisible lasers. If the connection was tripped, an alarm would go off in woad's house, alerting him first that the connection had indeed been tripped and then what sector it had been tripped in. Depending on this second piece of information, woad would make a quick exit off his property in the direction away from the alarm tripper, while his defense system activated, pinning down would-be attackers with machine gun fire from multiple directions.
"In case of mafioso, always have an escape plan," woad muttered to himself, paraphrasing the popular maxim regarding fire safety. "God, what a mess this town is. If we had a better police force then we wouldn't need to worry about-"
WOOP WOOP WOOP WOOP WOOP
The alarm sounded, cutting off woad's soliloquy. He checked the details: The alarm had been tripped in the front of the house, which also happened to be the most heavily-fortified. Peeking at his front windows to make sure there wasn't a false alarm, he saw a dark figure carrying what was definitely a weapon.
Time to get out. W&F would go the back way, an added bonus to having the attacker approach from the front, because immediately behind his house there were woods. It was perfect cover to have him disappear for a while whilst the mafioso would have to answer the deadly crossfire from the five machine guns tasked to defend that particular side of his house.
He burst out the door and sprinted through the woods, tripping his own alarm (but the guns wouldn't fire; he had programmed that in)... and stopping dead as a figure holding a shotgun, right outside the laser line, was waiting for him.
"How... what... how?" woad stammered in disbelief.
"Depardmed store dubby", the man said nasally. It appeared that his nose had recently been broken. Without any more words, he pointed the shotgun at his shocked victim and pulled the trigger.
"What a waste of weapodry," the man said to himself and walked away.
Later that day, Chief of Police Beirut had the remaining villagers gathered in the town square in order to make an announcement.
"Gentlemen," he began, "We all know why we're here, so let's get this over with. Get voting!"
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Still alive: (27)
Ichigo
RoadKill
TinCow
shlin28
makaikhaan
Sasaki Kojiro
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Caius
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Sarathos
Mithrandir
Beefy187
Tiberius of the Drake
KukriKhan
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88
Fenring
Lord Winter
CountArach
Kommodus
Rythmic
Seamus Fermanagh
Quintus.J.Cicero
Kagemusha
georgeman51
discovery1
FactionHeir
Joe Monks
Killed:
Tratorix
Omanes Alexandrapolites
Andres
Craterus
LittleGrizzly
TevashSzat
Crazed Rabbit
woad&fangs
Executed:
Privateerkev
Elite Ferret
peverpink
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Re: Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia
For once I am in track of whats happening because im the first one to post after the kill :laugh4:
From now on ill try to be active as possible seeing as all my assignment are done and I dont study 24/7 for my tests anyway.
Personally I dont think we need to worry to much about the code. I doubt that GH is willing to give the mafia away this early in the game which is pretty hard for the mafia to win. Im no good at codes but perhaps read it other way around could mean something.
As for mafia, I have no clue for now. I will look closely this round for once though
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Hey GH, when are the WOG's going to happen?
Just with the letters thing, I don't think its a number cyper so KukriKhan, you can probably chill out a bit.
I don't think there is much to say because Woads and CR were pretty inactive so it looks like the mafia going after the lurkers. Random Vote: Caius, he is on Shlin's list.
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I resent the statement that I was inactive.
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OK, things are going very slowly this morning, probably because everyone is, like me, awiting GH's write-up before attempting to go into any more analysis.
I'd hazard a guess that the letters and clues are a french phrase as well. Its much more continuous, and imo, it would be too early for GH to 'reveal' the mafia, even through clues. This is, as Tincow said, distracting us from the task at hand. While we should continue to note any further missing letters, we should concentrate on the usual methods of mafia-hunting, discussion and analysis. Any gains due to the riddle will be long-term in nature.
As to the whys and wherefores that Kukri mentioned, it is possible that Tevash was the detective, what other reason could he have for revealing said clue?
As I said yesterday, I'd like to hear more out of Sigurd, but as of this moment I shall Vote:Abstain.
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abstain? :inquisitive:
I admit the letter hunting is fun but I think people have allowed themselves to get distracted.
I say keep looking at FH and Khaan. Especially Khaan.
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Originally Posted by Gaius Scribonius Curio
it is possible that Tevash was the detective, what other reason could he have for revealing said clue?
Special role...?
peverpink's excuse for his fake reveal was 'protecting the detective', so that could mean the detective is still alive or pever was mafia and he is lying, both are equally likely.
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Originally Posted by Privateerkev
I say keep looking at FH and Khaan. Especially Khaan.
Ok, Vote:makaikhaan.
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Originally Posted by
Sarathos
peverpink's excuse for his fake reveal was 'protecting the detective', so that could mean the detective is still alive or pever was mafia and he is lying, both are equally likely.
Or pever was just messing with us for fun. If he was protecting the detective, he sure went about it in a funny way. He throws a "joke" vote on disco and then all of a sudden "reveals" when he sees he attracted more attention than he wanted.
And I am touched that you trust me so much but would you care to give your own reasons for voting for khaan?
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I agree with Kev's reasoning about Pever. It is likely that he was messing around with us for fun, and claimed detective partly to save himself and partly in the hope that if the real detcetive is alive, that would give him a carte-blanche as it were. Seen as his claim was poorly thought out and executed, his hope would have been in vain.
Also I think this has been said before, but I'm fairly sure, and I await veteran players to back me up on this, that GH's games generally have a dearth of roles, aside from the mafiosi and detective.
Abstain in this case PK means I'm here, and still interested. I just don't have strong enough suspicions to vote for anyone yet, and seen as we have an extended voting period, I will be throwing out my vote later.
Also I think that it is pretty much a given that you are innocent PK (naive on my part I know), but there have been differences between the style of the two kills in each GH's write-ups. All the same Sarathos, what are your reasons. Even if PK is innocent, he only has the same information as the rest of us...
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Originally Posted by
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Also I think that it is pretty much a given that you are innocent PK (naive on my part I know), but there have been differences between the style of the two kills in each GH's write-ups.
While I appreciate the vote of confidence, do not assume that separate write-ups mean two different killers. In Taormina, we were able to make our write-ups look pretty much however we wanted. Sasaki killed as Carelli, Yakuza, and Manfredo.
So, there could very well just be one killer left who is doing two separate write-ups in order to look like two different people. Just something to keep in mind.
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As I said that is naivety on my part. And thats something that I haven't considered before. Gah!
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Crazed Rabbit is a strange choice for killing. He is always someone who attracts a lot of suspicion (like Sasaki, but not to the same extreme). To me this points to someone who knows that he is a good player (as he indeed is), but is not experienced enough to realise that keeping CR alive is a good idea. So is there anyone who fits that description AND is on one of the lists from the letters?
Also an idea that is just out of left-field with the letters. It could be Sans NIV, the NIV being a translation of the bible (Wiki of NIV). So perhaps an Atheist? It seems unlikely, but you never know.
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No WoG's yet?
I will put my finger of suspicion on a few of the lurkers; Caius, Mithrandir, Tiberius, AntiWarman, Fenring, Kommodus, Quintus, georgeman and Joe Monks.
You have all less than 5 posts in this game.
RL in the way of playing or are you trying the win recipe of Kagemusha?
vote: Kommodus. You should at least be posting your thoughts by now.
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Originally Posted by Privateerkev
Or pever was just messing with us for fun. If he was protecting the detective, he sure went about it in a funny way. He throws a "joke" vote on disco and then all of a sudden "reveals" when he sees he attracted more attention than he wanted.
I am fully aware of that and I did state that in my original post. I am not really sure which what he was trying to do but I agree about the fact that it was very strange, that leads to think he was trying to get out of this joke vote. Though pever is rather a strange character so something as unorthordox as that wouldn't surprise me at all.
My reason for voting khaan is because there is very little information. The kills are random (and now appear to be targeting lurkers) and the night write-up hasn't been posted yet. the only other thing is the letter clue which everyone has been debating whether it is even relevant. I voted khaan because you said to "keeping looking at him." Now one vote isn't going to do any harm but it might get his attention. Now I voted makaikhaan because I trusted that you had good reason to give the advice to "watch him" so by questioning my you are effectly questioning your own reasons. Are you trying to discredit yourself...?
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Too much talk about possible clues in missing letters, which might as well be simple spelling mistakes or just a puzzle created by GH for fun (I wouldn't be surprised if the solution of the "puzzle" would be something like "there are no clues in my write-ups") nothing, not enough looking for suspects.
I'm getting bad vibes from Kukrikhan and FactionHeir. Don't have time to go over their posts right now.
And Sasaki still didn't answer my question. Why the FoS on TinCow?
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Why is Khaan the most suspicious?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it still the night phase?
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GH posted night kills on the previous page I think.
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While I was in my coffin, enjoying being dead, I saw this post:
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Originally Posted by
GeneralHankerchief
Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet.
Crazed Rabbit and woad&fangs have been killed.
Proper descriptions will be added in tomorrow afternoon. This voting round will be extended, ending Friday Morning/Afternoon GMT-5. Apologies, but after tomorrow my schedule should ease up a lot.
I think it's day now... as if my eternal soul cares about trivialities like night and day :snobby:
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KK,
@Count Arach: Your idea is a good one, but I'd reject it on the basis that NIV, stands for New International Version (I think), and the original message (and the beginning of this one), is in french. I'd wait for the next set of clues (read missing letters) before we get too far off topic.
@ Sarathos: Thanks for elaborating, but I'd suggest that to take someone elses reasons, which you don't even know and straight away to vote based on that smacks of naiveity (then again I can't talk), and dare I say it seems to be very similar in principle to bandwagoning. :inquisitive: . At the same time my posts may have encouraged you (to believe PK: a) is innocent; b)has good instincts), but I'd advise you to come up with your own reasoning in the future...
...btw PK, have you any reasons for us to be looking at Khann...
...and both you and Andres have mentioned FactionHeir, someone I had a FOS on before (can't remember why though.. must go look)... again any particular reasons?
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Originally Posted by Sarathos
Now I voted makaikhaan because I trusted that you had good reason to give the advice to "watch him" so by questioning my you are effectly questioning your own reasons. Are you trying to discredit yourself...?
I don't know. Something just seems off about Khaan. He is really good as mafia so it's hard to tell. It's just a hunch. I don't have anything better on anyone else at the moment.
But no one should take my hunch and vote based just on that. You should know better. It's almost as if you are using me as an excuse to place a vote so you won't look suspicious.
People should post their reasons for voting. Doing it just because a ghost gives their opinion, and then trying to discredit said ghost smells a little scummy all on it's own.
So you trust me so much you'll vote for someone but now you try to discredit me? You can't have it both ways...
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I don't think Sarathos is acting TOO strangely, in my opinion he is just a casual player who was never too good at analysis... like me.
Interesting that only a few live people has posted, all of the others are dead :skull: Where are the others??? Lurking maybe?
Vote: Kage
Random lurker :juggle2:
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Vote: Kommodus
Where art thou, Holmes? You've been extremely quiet thus far...
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Originally Posted by
shlin28
I don't think Sarathos is acting TOO strangely, in my opinion he is just a casual player who was never too good at analysis... like me.
Yeah but he is trying to blame me for his own lack of analysis. His reasoning is that if his actions are bad, it is because of my own bad analysis and is not actually his fault.
He is the one that is responsible for his own vote. While I can forgive a lack of analysis, I find his defensiveness and "passing the buck" to be disturbing.
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Originally Posted by
shlin28
Interesting that only a few live people has posted, all of the others are dead :skull: Where are the others??? Lurking maybe?
I am holding off this round until the write-up is posted.
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How convenient for you both...
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Of course. Will you vote me for that? :clown:
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Originally Posted by
Craterus
How convenient for you both...
Says a man who also hasn't posted anything of substance during this day phase. :inquisitive:
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Post Count: Name, Posts, post per page [40 post page setting] * = likely WOG
Bolded names are innocent murderees. Underlines are lynchees. RED post rates are VERY different from previous play and worthy of examination.
Privateerkev 68
GeneralHankerchief 45 -- Host
FactionHeir 32 2.29/ppp compared with 0.21/ppp in Capo2
Ichigo 27 1.93/ppp compared with 1.72 in Taormina and 1.05 in Capo2
Andres 23
KukriKhan 23 1.64/ppp compared with 0.76 in Taormina and 0.69 in Capo2
TinCow 22 1.57/ppp compared with 3.34 in Taormina and 1.9 in Capo2 What was he in Taormina?
Elite Ferret 21 1.5/ppp compared with 0.76 in Taormina and 0.65 in capo2
Sasaki Kojiro 21 1.5/ppp compared with 3.41 in Taormina and 2.7 in Capo2
Sarathos 21 1.5/ppp compared with 0.17 in Taormina and 0.44 in Capo2
shlin28 20 1.43/ppp compared with 0.45 in Taormina and 0.77 in Capo2
Craterus 18 1.29/ppp compared with 0.87 in Capo2
makaikhaan 17 1.21/ppp
LittleGrizzly 16
peverpink 16
woad&fangs 14
Seamus Fermanagh 13 0.93/ppp
Sigurd Fafnesbane 12 0.93/ppp
Gaius Scribonius Curio 11 0.78/ppp
CountArach 11 0.78/ppp
Kagemusha 9 0.64/ppp compared with 1.16 in Capo2
Tratorix 9
discovery1 9 0.64/ppp
RoadKill 8 0.57/ppp
Rythmic 8 0.57/ppp
Beefy187 7 0.5/ppp
TevashSzat 6
Crazed Rabbit 5
Caius 4 0.29/ppp
Quintus.J.Cicero 4 0.29/ppp
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88 4 0.29/ppp
Tiberius of the Drake 3 0.21/ppp
Fenring 3 0.21/ppp
Joe Monks 3 0.21/ppp
Kommodus 3 0.21/ppp
Omanes Alexandrapolites 2 0.14/ppp
Mithrandir* 2 0.14/ppp
Lord Winter* 1 0.07/ppp
georgeman51* 1 0.07/ppp
Quite a few people are posting differently than usual for them. Let's hear from them, shall we?
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Whoa... I doubled my post per page count from Capo, awsome :2thumbsup:
I guess my count went up because in Capo, there were many other potential lynchees, so I can get by with fewer posts, but here there are fewer people, so I need to make posts, lest I be lynched :skull:
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Originally Posted by
Seamus Fermanagh
TinCow 22 1.57/ppp compared with 3.34 in Taormina and 1.9 in Capo2 What was he in Taormina?
In Taormina I was a townie for the first 3 days, then mafioso. Wasn't aware I could go mafioso until I was 'recruited.' I haven't been posting as much because I've generally been pretty busy in RL over the past week. I just don't have as much time to devote to in-depth analysis as I would like. The LotR people can confirm that over the last week my participation there has been pretty much limited to stuff I need to do to keep the game running. That's one of the reasons I'm cautious about the 'letters' thing; I don't have time to go back and check the accuracy of what other people are telling me, so I've got to assume that the letters they pull out of the write-ups are accurate. I don't like relying on other people for that kind of info.
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Omanes was killed as well and should be bolded and removed as a potential WoG.
FH and TC, lack of the write-up is just an excuse. You both should start posting your thoughts now. We can always search for missing letters later. :yes:
And TC, you can find the missing letters yourself in about 1 minute by simply "quoting" GH's write-ups and using spell check. Hope this helps. :beam:
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I would explain my higher post count here in comparison to Capo with me being a lurker in Capo as mafia and feeding results to Don and Buddy to publish instead. Besides, there was a page or two in this game where it was more or less back and forth between me and PK.
Happy? :tongue2:
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Originally Posted by
TinCow
Says a man who also hasn't posted anything of substance during this day phase. :inquisitive:
I'm dead and also confirmed innocent. I'm not really obliged to do anything.
I've given a list of suspects and all of those people are still worth lynching IMO. That's my contribution. Whether the town chooses to follow it is up to them.
Have a nice day! :nice:
EDIT: Here's the list, once again: TinCow, Elite Ferret, FactionHeir, Kagemusha and Sasaki.
Interestingly enough, my list is supported by SF's posting rates analysis. Looks like I was onto something...
Also, Seamus, if bolded people are the dead, you forgot to bold me.
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EF was lynched Craterus.
Also, Seamus's list has Tratorix, Omanes, and Craterus as alive when they are dead.
Killed:
Tratorix
Omanes Alexandrapolites
Andres
Craterus
LittleGrizzly
TevashSzat
woad&fangs
Crazed Rabbit
Executed:
Privateerkev
Elite Ferret
peverpink
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Ungh, I should not have signed up for this. This summer is just not going to be a good time for me to be playing mafia. I will do my best to get caught up and try to find the mafia sometime before the end. In the meantime,
Vote: |Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88
Really, this is just to prevent myself from being WoG'd, since WoGs never help the town in any way. Rather the mafia kill me or the townspeople lynch me so at least it's not a total waste.
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Ok, fine.
TinCow, FactionHeir, Kagemusha - Updated list.
Sasaki has been removed because I think he's just too busy at the moment. As mafia, he usually maintains his activity. So yeah, I think the lack of posts is due to him not having a special role and not having as much time.
Look into the other three, town.
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Originally Posted by
Craterus
Ok, fine.
TinCow, FactionHeir, Kagemusha - Updated list.
Sasaki has been removed because I think he's just too busy at the moment. As mafia, he usually maintains his activity. So yeah, I think the lack of posts is due to him not having a special role and not having as much time.
Look into the other three, town.
I agree that Sasaki is most likely busy in real life. He is normally much more active, regardless of the role.
I'm not sure what TC has done that is suspicious. He seems to be playing much like he always does and I can confirm that he is not very active in LotR right now.
I don't see why people suspect Kag either. Though this is my first time playing a Mafia game with him so I don't know how he normally is. I think pever's "reveal" was bogus so anyone who uses that as an excuse should get a big FoS towards them.
FH seems a little suspicious to me. Hard to put my finger on why but it is a hunch.
Same with Khaan. These two would be my top two suspects for now.
A distant 3rd would be Sarathos. He got far too defensive for my taste when I asked for him to give a reason for voting for Khaan.
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My suspicion is based on their posting style and the nature of their posts. It's a fine art appearing active and helpful when you're mafia and these guys have had a few sentences in some of their posts that have indicated, to me, that all is not well.
So yeah, just a hunch. ~:)