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In WotB we started with AS that already had over 20 provinces and thus it was possible to move your avatar to where ever you wanted. But here at the moment.. well.. you can cross the Republic from one border to another in one season and it's not funny to do that over and over again! :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by Baen
You don't have to post in the Reports thread if you just 'watch' and don't 'touch'. Posting 'Taking the save' only because you want to watch might take away the chance that someone else who wants to move his avatar can take the save.Quote:
Originally Posted by In the Reports thread
^^^ya this is obvious, as said many times before, with expansion, and with new legions everyone will get a chance to fight, govern, etc. I think the funnest part will be the Punic Wars and taking the Illyrian parts of the Epeirote Empire. I can just imagine the panic will be in rushing into Sicilia and Illyria its going to be great. Sadly I also foresee our first in-combat deaths. :thumbsdown:
@Ibn: We just got reacquainted with that in WoTB ey? So sad poor poor nikanor...poor poor Parthian Army.
I would say poor Roka actually! It's his second character who have died by enemies hands!! :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by navarro951
Also, I suggest that when ever you think that you can't take the save to fight some battles then you should make a SOT post that allows Consuls to move your avatars away from the fight or this what happened in WotB will happen here as well.
Actually, thats a very good point...I hope everyone will take note! And ya hehe Roka:sweatdrop:. He's been very inactive lately though. :juggle2:
yes, i just got the terrible news :sweatdrop:Quote:
Originally Posted by navarro951
Moving a character requires a save, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun
This is probably old hat to you salt dogs out there; but I thought it was pretty motivating for fans of the Romaioi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiuWcv-Rp5M
Roma Victor!
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Originally Posted by Tribunus Tiberius Claudius Marcellus
Ugh. Not only is "Legion Strong" an oxymoron, that movie is just reeking of lies and propaganda...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribunus Tiberius Claudius Marcellus
Wait, did it actually list the strength to get over yourself as one of the definitions of "Legion Strong"? :laugh4:
hehehe easy TCV...eaaasy my barb friend. I would ever doubt the power of your Naked warriors. NAKED STRONG!
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Originally Posted by navarro951
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: Make a video ^^
OMG if i had that kind of video skills....I SO WOULD! haha :idea2:
When you actually read what the legionarys were able to do (An example :Caesars gallic legions could force march themselves 50 miles with over 60lb of equipment and still construct a fortified camp at the end of the day) they can be compared more to the special forces of the U.S army then just regular army. They were some tough motherfuckers.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Celtic Viking
Please watch your language! ~:)
If you know what's best for you, you shouldn't give me any ideas like that... ~;pQuote:
Originally Posted by SwissBarbar
HEHE DO IT! i wanna see that actually, who knows this conversation may start a chain of vids like that from different faction fans...Pontus Strong Getai Strong AS Strong hahaa :egypt:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Celtic Viking
Yes careful, don wanna hear complaints from mods, and as i mentioned the last time someone swore, I dont care how old everyone playing this is, but there may always be young'ns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun
Also due to the fact i have class for 4 hours today, ill be taking the save at 15:30 PACIFIC so you guys can keep the game going and what not. Otherwise it wont be till 2morrow. Plus i think im the only move, the battle that is.
Nice to see this has really taken off guys, must admit I had my doubts it would work. Wish Steam made it easier to have more that one copy of RTW running...
o thats a bummer, id like to have you join up :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by johnhughthom
you know, I completely blame the AI for Asina's death:sweatdrop:. His unit plowed deep into Conans bodyguard and did major damage, but it just kept pushing and ended up sort of on its own. Seconds after i flanked the unit surrounding it was too late i guess. That was a tough battle indeed.
Ill have some new avatars for you soon everyone.
I think we're due for an angst-filled Stories Thread update from baen right about now. :shame:
Ya and ive got two of my own as well...WoTB, BtSH....grave days for both of us :sweatdrop:
also: im on break have to get back to work so ill be gone most of the day now
gah! Asina died so suddenly! as I was about to do something great with him!
Yes, you're absolutely right. Especially if you consider that they were only 160 cm on the average! They still would beat up US or anyone elses Speacial Forces' arses if equipped equally ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Mooks
I really have to stop going to bed. Everytime I wake up and go on here the worlds flipped upside down. Sorry for your loss Everyone, if thats even possible seeing as it was your own death :dizzy2:.
I'll have to put aside my school work to do some stories I think.
Oh, and Il_Duce, I believe it was Legatus Cotta that pulled Asina's body away from the fighting, thank you very much :2thumbsup:
actually, somehow the loss of Asina made me kept swearing and yelling at every random thing I saw for the past hour (fortunately I was at home), until I decided to play out the battle again to relieve my anger to see another result, this time with some objectives in mind:
1) immediately pull generals whose bodyguard are less than 5 men out of combat
2) combine both Legio I and II for the assault
3) do not let either army be controlled by the AI
4) start the battle as navarro did so from the campaign map (fight using Legio II, and Legio I as reinforcements)
and here is the result:
https://i246.photobucket.com/albums/...ingaz/0085.jpg
https://i246.photobucket.com/albums/...ingaz/0086.jpg
Conan died very early in the battle, as I was rushing through the broken gate. as usual, I made the cavalry go through a breach in the wall. since the infantry force was getting cut up very quickly on all sides (yes, on all three sides); I made the cavalry charge into a Gaeroas from its behind, causing it to rout; and since Conan was dead by then, the other units (many of them, around 3 ligurian infantry+brihentin+2 gaeroas+a few botroas+1 liguriae epos) routed in the massive charge; and the only other difficult part was the gaesatae which I managed to kill quickly by making the accensi move a large round around the settlement to the gaesatae's back, and pelt the gaesatae while they are engaged in melee.
if you want, here is the save (though I don't think I'm authorised to do so, I badly want to play as asina again :shame:) :
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local...id=193&id=4303
As much as that might be nice, I think it would set a bad precedent. One of the cool things about these games is the roll of the dice every time you send your character into battle. It would take a lot of fun out of this if we started doing re-does. Sorry man. :shame:Quote:
Originally Posted by everyone
Hey man, you control the army. Gotta give the little guy some glory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baen
Wait.. it's unclear to me who fought the battle. If it was navarro then it's against the rules since he should have send the save to everyone. Or am I missing something??
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Originally Posted by Rule 1.3 - Battles
well, Blasio was in the battle (but not appearing as the commander), but I'm not sure who navarro was playing as (denatus/blasio?); and technically Legio II was still led by Cotta and Legio I by Asina when the battle took place. so I'm not sure (and I really do hope Asina could survive but that probably wouldn't be possible asdf)
well, if the wrong player fought the battle, it must be refought. But the rules say, that if the Leader of the Army is not available, the second in command fights the battle, and if he's not available its the third in commands turn. Finally thats the reason, why there is a 2nd and 3rd in command. Only a player, whose avatar is not in one of the attacking armies CANNOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES fight the battle.
It's just that according to rules the one who leads an army will fight the battle. You, everyone, and Baen were the leaders of the Legions. IF you two were unable to fight the battle THEN those others could fight the battle. At least that's what we have in WotB and I thought the same is in here as well.
Sry for causing all this trouble. What's done is done, we can't change that. I just wanted to know why it was fought by navarro. :shame:
I'm not sure whether navarro offered the save with the battle to any of the commanders or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwissBarbar
Navarro did announce he would fight the battle a while before he did. Since I basically gave him command of my legion, he just moved Blasio to command it from Arrimium.
In that case.. I'm ok with it! ~:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Baen
Hmm... when I loaded up the save I noticed a funny thing: I, who has been appointed by the game as the new "commander" of Legio I, is actually laying siege to Segesta - our own city! I am a traitor and I didn't even have a say in it! :laugh4:
There goes my plans of being a loyalist: right down the drain, just like my plan of being politically laid-back was flushed when I got the "Political Animal" trait. ~;p
Your a rebel? Oh dear..that screws things up a bit. Might have to role play our ways out of this one.
Apparently, yeah, that's what the game made me. If you're too lazy to load up the save, look at this picture:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
It's pretty cool, and though I can't attack or build rams or such, moving my stack away triggers the "lifting siege warning". I've never seen this happen before. ^^
Glitch? Is it causing any harm?
Yes, it blocks trade and gives a 10% public order penalty. It's like a regular siege but with no attacking, but as I said, moving the stack away breaks the siege. I can't do that myself, though as I don't hold command over the stack.
Meh just keep on moving. Can you lift the seige and everything be dandy?
I think it would be safe to assume your allowed to move it for that purpose. Just move it past the city to the left but keep in the territory. We'll say it's securing the rest of Ligeria. We can just roleplay that you have taken command temporarily, or that its Cotta or Blasio commanding it, or whatever. I don't think it matters.
Alright, I will do that. I'll add me taking temporary control over it to my last post in the Curia, just to keep it more... chronologically correct, or whatever.
No need, I'll edit it into my post, will also explain my reasons for being there.
R.I.P Asina --- bummer everyone
Hey yall, yes i did use Blasio and fight the battle as i control him. I would prefer to not use AI aswell, but for realism purposes I allowed it because Asina's legions was indeed part of that battle so i cannot command them. I have PMd everyone about a little something to decide where this will all finish up,( Been alot of conversation on this one) so he can talk to you guys here about that when he is on.
edit: If you ask me as Sh**Y as i feel about Asina dying, I do sorta think its just loaded with great RPlay and future fun. Just my opinion but of course more could of come out of him alive i suppose?
Hey navarro, i just checked the Library thread and it says i am a Legatus now. Is this true? If so when can i start using my privilages? :clown:
well their is a council at the end of 266 so then as far as legislation goes. And when the resources allow it a legion may be given to you. But its first come first serve so I move down the line of who was most recent in getting their promotion.
okay cool, thanks for the info:2thumbsup:
Baen - you need to update the Campvs Martivs legion rosters.
ya i went ahead and updated the commanders as now Legio I has one. Legio III will definently be created soon as were getting alot more money. By the end of the year well be making 10k a turn.
Excellent, I look forward to actually participating in the game. :beam:
So what is the policy when the commanding Dux/Legatus of a Legion is killed? Does the Legion disband (they did this in real life, did they not?)
I don't think we should disband Legio I since it would be in the least of our interests considering of how small a power we are but once we have 7 or so legions scattered around I think we should start implementing a policy like that.
no it doesnt disband, TCV has Legio I now.
Il_Duce and YouHaveReceived have also participated in 2 battles each. So they are also ready to become Legates. Shame really, didn't get much of a chance for roleplay having them in the army
well I initially had the idea of using Asina's Provincial legion/dictatorship to expand to Greece/Sicily (whichever would come into priority first). then he'll probably get a few more provinces in Greece added to his dictatorship, then accidentally get an aid who's selfish/disloyal to help him govern/conquer using the provincial legion in somewhere in greece and etc. But now that I'm controlling Manivs (who's name is the same as Asina's drillmaster in my stories) I'll follow another plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by navarro951
anyway I made this line in my SOT just to prevent such stuff from happening again and making me randomly swear for almost a day cursing my misfortune, although everyone else around me thought I was out of my mind since the day before I was sanguine.
edit: Cicero starts as a Tribunus right? It most likely would be so I'm just asking this to confirm because.....it's part of my nature :smash:
TCV, I updated SOT so you could move Quintus.
yes hell be a Tribune.Quote:
Originally Posted by everyone
hey just finished a few touch's on the library to get ready for next CC. Added a "former commanders" tab to the active legions part. hope you all like, after a couple decades that should be nice to have :idea2:
ALSO: when you guys make stories I ask that everyone adds a title of their own, some do but not all, it's easier for me when i update the history which ill be doing soon.
ANOTHER EDIT: we have 15 players and only 13 SOT posts. Take care of those guys.
It looks nice, there's tons of information in there that's nice and consolidated. The links that take you to the other threads are very much welcomed too. Good job.Quote:
Originally Posted by navarro951
ty very much m8
Mjolnir and SwissBarber, you may have to move yourselves to the legion; my EB is still not being nice to me.
Ok, but I am not at home until tonight, if my character needs to be at your army earlier, please someone move my char.
Thx :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mjolnir
So, in other words, I do not get to move it myself? Also, if you moved my character with the army, you have overstepped your authority. My SOTP quite clearly prohibits that.Quote:
Originally Posted by navarro951
It doesn't matter if I'd do the same thing anyway, or that this would "save some time", or whatever. You can never move my character if I have forbidden you to do so, and it seems very weird RP-wise if you just took the army and left me. That would be telling me I'm in command, and then issue moving orders to the captain under me and tell him to leave me behind.
I dunno, but doesn't the CoL need to constantly ensure all armies are up to strength? but I think the CoL needs the commander of the legion to request.
anyway, I think as Asina, I did that once, I moved 3 half-strength units from Legio II over to Arretium to retrain it, but it didn't cause much hindrance, because it rejoined the rest of the army to march to Segesta the following turn
Looking at the rules, it does seem like he has to command the guy he has made commander of the army to move it, and if that's correct then it just adds to what I've said, since I went on from the assumption that he could just move it as he please without having to discharge me from my position as the commander first. I base that on the phrasing of rule 4.2 (emphasis added):Quote:
Originally Posted by everyone
I interpret that as giving the commander an order to move there, but not actually moving it himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rule 4.2
Regardless of how that is supposed to be interpreted, he did unquestioningly break the rules if he moved me with the army which I'm about to check now. I couldn't do that before since I was still doing the WotB-save then.
Edit: He did move my character into Segesta, so there...
ah very well, I'll just wait for navarro's reply on this.
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Originally Posted by The Celtic Viking
While it is, of course, your choice of whom to allow to move your character, this seems a minor offense in the grand scope of the game. I kindly suggest that perhaps in your SOT you write something to the effect of "only the Dictator, Heres, COL, or the Commander of my assigned legion may move my character to save time" etc etc. You can check out my SOT for how I worded it.
Again, its your perogative and no one will begrudge you that; but this could get out of hand very quickly if we let hurt feelings fester.
I agree with TCV. Avatars should not to be moved if SOT say that you can't do it. It's all about RP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribunus Tiberius Claudius Marcellus
For example: TCV writes a story how his character is in Ariminum with his army just to find out that last season he and his army was moved from Ariminum to Arpi. In that case his whole story will look strange.
Although if rank have the power to move units then that person can move units but not avatars.
And it is said in the Rules that:
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Originally Posted by Rule 1.4
I'm curious: instead of asking Navarro to carefully read the SOT and respect the other players' wishes, you ask me to give him the right to move me so he no longer has to break the rules to do it? What the...? What kind of reasoning is that? If I wanted him, or anyone else for that matter, to have the right to move my character, I wouldn't have prohibited him from doing it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribunus Tiberius Claudius Marcellus
All I wanted to do here was to mark my territory and tell him that no, this you can't do, but now you did it anyway and I expect an apology and an insurance that it won't happen again. If I don't do that now, then he might do it again, and that time it could have bigger consequences than it had now.
(Edit: Oh, and Navarro, just to make things clear, I'm not angry or anything at you. I'm just a little irritated over TTCM's answer, 's'all.)
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Originally Posted by The Celtic Viking
??? im so lost i didnt move your character...just the troops to be retrained. I think you mistake the I for Legio I....i meant I as Blasio himself is coming back to Roma.
No, not at all - you're both misinterpreting what I wrote.
I'm saying that you definitely have the right to not be moved, as you requested in your SOT and if someone violates that then they are wrong. However, it is much easier for the game if you simply allowed certain people to move for you - just write "move me to 'x' location" in the SOT.
It simply speeds the game up; and I was suggesting that you could do us all a favor by allowing the higher ups to move for you, as you don't really miss out on anything with these mundane movements, unless of course you're totally absorbed in the fantasy of RPing.
Yes, this could happen again if things aren't set straight; but look at how this is being blown out of proportion - it's a game. Again, you have the right to be the only one to micro manage your avatar; but its rather silly when an inconsequential action becomes life-altering. Again, I ask you to simply consider allowing select others to move for you and avoid this ridiculous drama.
....still i didnt move his character this conversation is totally confusing i simply did my job and retrained your units...your avatar should not of been moved. I just wanted your army prepared to take Patavium. In fact even the forts were set up by Blasio himself...am I wrong?
had some time on my hands...the library is updated...enjoy!
hmmm, Cicero seems to be unselfish/pessmistic/loyal, similar to me, well he should be easier to roleplay than Asina, who was optimistic.
anyway, because of my pessimistic nature, I think this might not turn out as well as how navarro might think it might turn out to be, because we might piss the EB moderators off by constantly making topics that advertise this.
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Originally Posted by navarro951
Nobody likes optimistic people anyway, especially in a bad situation. In movies they always die 2nd for a reason (after the black guy).Quote:
Originally Posted by everyone
If you didn't move my character, someone else did. Before I found him in Segesta, I last left him with Legio 1 Apulia outside. Since you said you moved the 1st, I assumed you were the one who had moved me as well. But if it wasn't you... who was it?Quote:
Originally Posted by navarro951
And yes, that was a misunderstanding. Nevertheless, both my army and myself were moved, and though you may have the right to move the army, I was just saying that it's a little weird RP-wise that you do.
By the way, as I'm not quite sure anymore, which is my army? As I said I made a guess when I took the save last time, but I don't know if I was correct.
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Originally Posted by Tribunus Tiberius Claudius Marcellus
I know you said I had the right. What I'm reacting on is you saying that it's "easier for the game" if I allow x person to move me, instead of telling x person that it's better for the game if he respects that I don't want anyone else to move me. I want to move myself around because it's easier for me to keep track of where I am and know where I want to go, as well as for pure RP reasons.
No, it wouldn't speed the game up one second. I am guaranteed by the rules 24 hours to make my moves, therefore the save can't be taken back before that. Me taking the save or not is irrelevant to that, so if the rules are followed then nothing is changed. If the rules aren't followed, why do we have them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribunus Tiberius Claudius Marcellus
The last part of that sentence is just gravy.
Yeah, you got me zeroed-in: I live my life after my character, and if he dies I'll commit Seppuku. Does it make you feel better when you try to belittle me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribunus Tiberius Claudius Marcellus
I was only telling Navarro, whom I thought was the culprit here, to not move my character: it wasn't until you got involved that the drama began, and your attitude is not exactly helping your case either.
Look, this is ridiculous.
Of course the game would absolutely be sped up if you allowed someone to move for you because there would be less people taking "24 hours" to do their moves. It's simple arithmetic and there is no discussion on that. It is a matter of fact.
If you don't want someone to move your character then cool beans. I understand and appreciate the whole RP aspect of it. But to be this upset over a suggestion that you consider changing your restrictions (and not get upset when it appears to be accidentally moved against your wishes) is over the top. All you simply needed to do was say "I'd rather not" and that would have been the end of the subject for everyone concerned.
There's no attitude on my part, just the original suggestion that you could re-consider your SOT post to avoid these altercations with (in this case) the wrong person. I consider this "issue" finished.
To be honest guys nothing is being solved here. I suggest letting the situation go. I'm not taking sides, but the rules stand from now on. Whoever did move TCV's avatar, no fingers pointed, it doesnt matter, surely made a mistake, and won't do it again. Unless it has been said that a player will allow his character to be moved by someone else, then they cannot be moved. Speed is not the issue. However, let us not make enemies outside the roleplay aspect. This is meant to be fun. I think everybody can appreciate the conversations gone past what it meant to.
And as for you, Tribunus Tiberius Claudius Marcellus, go and concentrate on losing our argument in the Curia :clown:.
That sounds like a challenge! You need to be censored!Quote:
Originally Posted by Baen
Baen - I believe you meant "implore" not "abhore" in the Curia. :idea2: