What are you saying they aren't on sale or something? So it's not the real thing?
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For tomorrow:
Portugal - North Korea 1:0
Chile - Switzerland 0:0
Spain - Honduras 3:0
Good game, but the Ivory coast players got a bit whiny towards the end.
Kaká red card should be lifted by FIFA....that call was a total joke!
For tomorrow.
Portugal 0 - 0 - North Korea
Where's johnhughtom? I scored 2 yesterday and 4 today. :2thumbsup:
Kaká should have gotten a red for punching the ivory-man in the face. Was the second or third foul of him. What an arrogant :daisy: ... it's not all about being handsome I guess.
:portugal: 1 - 2 :northkorea:
:chile: 0 - 1 :switzerland:
:spain: 3 - 0 :honduras:
:portugal: 0 - 0 :northkorea:
:chile: 1 - 0 :switzerland:
:spain: 2 - 1 :honduras:
This tournament belongs to the Latin Americans. Europe is rubbish. Asia mostly anonymous also-rans. Africa yet again does not live up to its promise.
Meanwhile, Chile, Paraguay, Uruguay, Argentina, Mexico and Brazil are dominating everywhere. It's all about them, and the anglophony, US, NZ and OZ.
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This tournament could well be about who can stop Brazil. Ever since 1982, only Maradona and Zidane have been able to defeat Brazil. That means this year only Argentina can stop the canaries.
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World Volleyball Cup:
1) Maradona
2) Fabiano
3) Henry
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:portugal: 1 - 0 :northkorea:
:chile: 1 - 0 :switzerland:
:spain: 2 - 0 :honduras:
Portugal 1 - 1 North Korea
Chile 0 - 1 Switzerland
Spain 1 - 0 Honduras
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What became of France? What Meneldil said. This is not an isolated incident, this is the face of 21st century France.
France has changed. Why should these players listen to coaches or old guys? Their rap videos tell of rage, of 'respect' (which nowadays means people must treat you like a ghetto gangsta king, or you go into full rage mode immediately), of gang bangs with underage girls. Which is what this team, what the (sub)society they come from, is all about.
When there are two or three of these players, they adapt. Use sports to uplift themselves, to become part of mainstream society. When they are the overwhelming majority, their values are the norm, dominate the values of the team. The ballet dancers of 82, 84 and 86 are a distant memory. The rainbow team of the 90's worked because of many strong characters. This new crop is worthless.
Will they even show up for the game on Tuesday? We'll have to wait and see!
Oh, the sensation of it all! :beam:
Meh, all these complaints about the ball, as someone said on TV, a lot of teams had one or two years to play with that ball and only now that they're losing in the world cup, they start to complain about it...just excuses IMO. It's not the first world cup where people keep shooting 100 meters above the goal either.
And it's interesting to see how Switzerland beat Spain, yet most people here bet on Spain winning and Switzerland losing their next games.
I actually like the idea that it's a bit more even this time and even the favourites have to fight a bit to get further in the tournament, it's either step up your game or go home, why shouldn't Honduras for example win the cup if they deserve it? Or the dutch? :eyebrows:
How true is that now? I can't find the stats anywhere. It seems like we've had a string of 3-5 goal games.
He didn't punch him in the face...the other guy ran into his back and then fell down clutching his face.
The commentators were talking about it and the Ivory Coast player may be facing a ban for one or two games, since that's what happened when (Rivaldo was it?) went down clutching his face pretending a Turkey player kicked the ball at it.
I'm sure if he was playing for Brazil B (Portugal) you wouldn't have such a problem with him.
France, very entertaining, they're making England's struggles look minor.
And, as others have said, Kaka didn't deserve to walk in my opinion. I'm sure if he had let the guy run into him and fallen down, you would all be complaining about diving and trying to get the Ivorian sent off. Catch-22. Hopefully it gets rescinded, if that's possible.
Well, maybe ye saw the incident better than me. But all in all, it was just. The goal was not correct and that crippled Ivory Coast's game, which is quite bitter imho.
Also what was said about anglophony? This tournament is about anglophony? This tournament is, if anything, not about anglophony. At least if you don't belong to this anglophony yourself, I guess ...
And concerning Brazil: I have to take back that comment about them being "old". But still I don't bet on them. They do have weaknesses. Let's not forget they just beat NKDPR and CIV. No real big teams, but these made Seleçao struggle albeit poors' and teethless' admitted incompetence.
Concerning France: Dignity. Where? It's such a shame. La Grande Nation! Admired even deep in the hearts of the Germans. What has become of you!!??
Who's gonna be next champion? Unpredictable. Whoever not, it's the ball's fault I guess ...
If he was playing for Brazil B, I'd still have a problem with it. If he was playing for Portugal, not so much. But the thing is two handballs and a given goal is only available for a few select national sides, among which Portugal unfortunately isn't in. It isn't good to see Fabiano has been learning with Henry in mastering the technique of playing football with their hands.
Finally got the Brazil - Ivory Coast game score right.
I'll give kudos to Brazil for the win, they really look like they're to walk away with this tournament. Hopefully Chile will pull out over the Swiss, the Spanish will redeem themselves, and the Portuguese redeem themselves. Seemingly the smaller countries (Slovenia, Serbia, Switzerland) are able to really to pull the rug out from under the bigger teams.
Nononon!
That were the two single worst handballs I've ever seen. That was not a great goal, that was simply pathetic.
Click here for a close-up of that Fabiano goal.
Nononon!
England is woeful. But the other anglophonians have been massive! And it's not as if the refs have been kind to them either, far from it...
The US gave us two great games. Australia was overran by Germany, but were awesome with ten man against Ghana. New Zealand has been exhilariting throughout.
In football "holding" is a major penalty. It happens all the time but the ref decides when to call it and when not too.
I don't see the urge for 100% adherence to the letter of the law in sports, no-calling is often better. It's silly to call someone for a handball when they were trying to hit it with their chest and it bounced off their shoulder instead.
The only time handball isn't called is when an opponent whacks it at you and you can't realistically get out of the way. If you deliberately handle it, it's a yellow. If you miscontrolled it and the ball touched your hands/arms, it's a free kick. If an opponent kicks it at you and you could realistically have been expected to get out of the way, it's a free kick. Hence the advent of defenders keeping their hands behind their back when pressing the shooter.
Also, as you've mentioned, handball is a direct (major) free kick, ie. it can be scored directly from the set piece, and if it occurs in their own penalty area, is a penalty. Re: your earlier question, the backpass rule applies to all passes made by feet where the defender was attempting to pass the ball to their own player, and if the goalkeeper subsequently touches the ball with their hands without anyone else having touched it, results in an indirect (minor) free kick. This means headed and chested backpasses are ok to handle, and skewed clearances that were meant to go into orbit, but end up in the keeper's hands, aren't called either.
:portugal: 2 - 1 :northkorea:
:chile: 2 - 0 :switzerland:
:spain: 2 - 0 :honduras:
Handballs are often called even if it wasn't intentional, the key point is whether it affected the course of play. If it give you an unfair advantage (which it almost always does) then play should be stopped, whether you meant to do it or not. If you deliberately handle the ball in the box, then go on to score, you should be sent off, if not crucified.
On a related note, the rule concerning handballs to stop a goal has been in the spotlight recently. Technically the ref is constrained, and must give a straight red, but that seems unfair to me.
Touching the ball with your shoulder is not a handball. The first picture Jolt posted is a handball, the second isn't.
And how can it be concluded from that that the ball is at fault? The teams often play defensively, yet the ones who play offensively still score nice and beautiful goals, it's not the ball, it's the players/coaches.
Didn't that one Australian get red for stopping the ball with his upper arm? That looked entirely accidental to me and to send someone off the place for an accident doesn't seem fair, the other team has to hit a place where no body parts are in the way, isn't that the point of scoring a goal? To find that one spot where nothing can obstruct the ball?
Of course that's different if the defenders play handball on purpose like certain serbs. ~;)
This is a stat attack... This is a stat attack... This is a stat attack!
When the score rate is 16% lower than the lowest modern WC, (and most boring WC ever) there is something wrong. Whether it is the ball, the teams, the altitude, whatever it is, something is not right.Quote:
I’ve already been criticized for making this remark but I’m not alone: a lot of people can see that there is something wrong with the ball. This seamless ball dips too quickly, swerves too readily, and balloons to easily for players to control the ball, and thus to score goals, and the proof is in the scoring my friends. There have been 25 games so far in the group stages and only 46 goals. That’s a goal scoring rate of 1.84 goals per game, or well off the the previous low of 2.21 was in 1990. To put it another way, teams are scoring 16% fewer goals than ever before.
Predictions:
Portugal 0 - 0 North Korea
Chile 2 - 0 Swiss
Spain 5 - 0 Honduras
But it should really be called arm-ball, because if it hits your elbow, that's a hand ball
North Korea area actually outplaying Portugal at this point....what a joke of a national team.
Sorry guys, long weekend.
Update:
Louis: +7 = 24
Little Grizzly: 2
Psycho: +5 = 14
Sarmatian: 3
Insane Apache: +2 = 19
Ser Clegane: +6 = 16
Romanic: +3 = 12
Joooray: +1 = 6
Rhyfelwyr: +2 = 7
LEN: +1 = 11
Moros: 2
Marshall Murat: +5 = 11
Craterus: 3
Crazed Rabbit: 2
Beefy: 3
Centurio Nixalsverdus: +6 = 11
Ronin: 1
||Lz3||: 6
Not anymore. Very good game so far. Seems I was right about a 5 - 0, just the wrong game. :grin:
Maradona is not gay...
Best commentary:
"For a moment Gallas looked like a gazelle which had just plopped out of its mother's womb and was struggling to get its legs right".
"The goalkeeper has been an absolute tart there"
Portugoooooal! :portugal:
Those poor Koreans. I read that for every goal against one relative is send to the camps. :shame:
Portugal needed those goals. If Portugal loses to Brazil (not unthinkable), and Côte d'Ivoire beats North Korea, then goal difference will decide. Those seven goals are very much needed. A small Portugese victory would probably have been pyrrhic!
No, thank you for putting in the effort to keep track of the scores. It is a large, unwieldy thread, and a lot of work to find all the predictions and keep track of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnhughthom
:bow:
I feel bad for NK. I supported them for this!
Wow, and people thought these low scoring games were going to be a feature of the tournament and that the Western European teams were going to have a bad year?
7-0 is very impressive at the World Cup finals, no matter what team you are and who your opposition is; loved Cristiano's goal, pretty cheeky, typical of his impudence, but still a good one.
Kudos to Portugal. :3
Yeah, ask the portuguese players about the bad ball... ~;)
Don't get me wrong, from the games I have watched the ball does seem to be causing a few problems, but the teams that aren't doing so well (particularly France and England) cannot attribute their shortcomings thus far solely to an errant football... it's just an easy scapegoat because it can't argue back.
It's typical masculine reactions; heaven forbid that a team might be better than you, no, blame it on the football! T'is like when I beat a guy on a computer game and he'll blame his controller or something because he can't accept he was beaten by a woman. xD
Wow, I wish I gotten up early enough to watch that game now.
Pft!
I don't hear either England or France blame the ball. Both teams had very high-profile disputes between the staff and the players this weekend. The French players openly revolting, the English accepting Capello's authority. It wasn't about the ball.
The ball is blamed for disrupting a passing game, and for erratic behaviour when shooting. As such, it would suit a football style of short passes and goal attempts once the defense has been split open like the Red Sea before Moses. You know, Latin football. As they play in South America, and to a large extent Portugal and Spain. The ball does not suit crosses well (how many crosses over 30/40 yards + headed in have we seen?), nor a medium distance passing game.
The ball is not objectively bad (if anything, possibly the best science can produce). No, the problem is introducing a new ball before a major tournament. Football evolves, has progressed a lot since the time of heavy leather balls several decades ago. Teams simply have not had the time yet to adapt to the new ball. A ball does make a difference to a playing style best adapted to it - just imagine for example a hypothetical heavy ball that's hard to kick over more than fifteen yards and it becomes immediately apparant.
One day, teams and tactics will have evolved to use this ball. They are already adapting, the games are much better than in the first week. It will take some time.
I believe Louis is on to summit here on the passing element of the ball.
Heard somewhere once that Futsal is participated by more people in Brazil than football, dunno how true that is prob due to space restrictions I suppose. Point is the game favour's accurate short passing and the player has way bigger average amount of touches in the game.
Coincidence then that Brazil are number one in that sport too???? I think not
I don't think the current ball and similar balls will make it as it doesn't suit many of the big buck football leagues, such as the Premier league which is very cross heavy. And as the current balls are fit for short pass games as well, I do not think we'll see an evolution. I for one do not see why a short effective and nice pass game would be preferable over a nice run along the sideline followied by a nice cross that lands pefectly on a teamplayers head and gets beautifully headed in the goal. Both are great to see, both require skill, training and can be effective. Now if you control both, that's awesome football. Or do you think that teams like Portugal, Spain (Iniesta or Xavi are great at this) don't use beautifull and distant crosses.
England and France aren't blaiming the ball, nor should they. Both looked not to be in fine shape even before the tournament started. Actually i expected France (and Italy for that matter) to repeat their football of the last EC. Nor was I expecting the greatest football from England, though I must admit I expected more than this...However if almost every pro-footballer agrees and when I think about what I like most people I know have seen, there's something wrong the ball. Short pass footbal may be fun, but what is football without crosses, amazing distance goals, free kicks and corners,...? The ball clearly can't follow a stable track in the air and it's just way to bouncy. I personally find the ball much more irritating than the vuvuzelas, but both are no excuse for the losers of the WC to whine about. But they are bad for the beauty of the game.
Update:
Louis: +7(:bow:) = 31
Little Grizzly: 2
Psycho: +2 = 16
Sarmatian: 3
Insane Apache: +1 = 20
Ser Clegane: +2 = 18
Romanic: +5 = 17
Joooray: 6
Rhyfelwyr: +4 = 11
LEN: 11
Marshall Murat: +4 = 15
Moros: 2
Craterus: 3
Crazed Rabbit: 2
Beefy: 3
Centurio Nixalsverdus: +1 = 12
Ronin: 1
||Lz3||: 6
France - South Africa 1:1
Mexico - Uruguay 1:2
Greece - Argentina 1:3
Nigeria - South Korea 1:1
Sorry to be reviving this unintentionally. I wanted to look back so as to know where I had left and irritatingly, I have seen the comment above.
3 days ago, after 17 months of seamless working, I flew off to my hometown (where I currently am right now) for vacation and all that duration, as my 2 days of absence could imply, I happened to have irregular free time or access to/for internet.
Now what I'm proposing is that I like it predicting matches around here and commenting over them but I seriously have no motivation or whatsoever like Louis VI the Fat seems to pursue. Please deliver all my points to him for being such a great inspector with eyes like David Villa has for goals. I find it utterly tasteless to doubt over the timing of my predictions. Yes, I know football better than him or any other to be able to predict Serbia's narrow win over Germany, and yes, I fail at it so miserably than anybody else such that I could think Algeria matches would be joyful to watch.
I have made all of these predictions the night before the tournament was to begin but I don't know how rational or mature it would be to take photos of the pages I wrote down my guesses of results. I will, if you want, but I personally find such act quite "gah!"ly.
johnhughthom, please take my suggestion serious and deliver all my points so far to Louis or divide them among other lads equally. I will keep on making my predictions here but ask of you not to deem them available for rating from now on.
Anyway, sorry for the rattle. Here are my predictions for the matches 2 days back that Louis would love to doubt, and also, ones for tomorrow.
Slovakia 0-0 Paraguay
Italy 1-0 New Zealand
Brazil 0-0 Ivory Coast
Portugal 3-0 N. Korea
Chile 2-2 Switzerland
Spain 1-1 Honduras
Mexico 0-0 Uruguay
France 1-1 South Africa
Nigeria 2-1 S. Korea
Greece 0-2 Argentina
:france: 0 - 1 :southafrica:
:mexico: 1 - 2 :uruguay:
:greece: 0 - 3 :argentina:
:nigeria: 0 - 2 :southkorea:
At last SHOWTIME! Let's go Portugal!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Tks8atRY_s
Too much drama! Please, just play the game and post your vaticinia ex eventu...erm....predictions. ~:grouphug:
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:france: 1 - 0 :southafrica:
:mexico: 1 - 1 :uruguay:
:greece: 0 - 1 :argentina:
:nigeria: 1 - 1 :southkorea:
God forbid South Africa really loses. :embarassed:
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The question is in which new and novel way France will further make itself the laughing stock of the world this time. Will the players even show up? Will they fight each other on the pitch? Fight with the staff? Will they publicly tell Domenech to 'va te faire *******, sale fils de ****'
As far as I'm concerned, they don't need to bother showing up.
Today marks the exact anniversary of one the greatest matches of one of the greatest world cups, France - Brazil in 1986. Two phenomenal sides, so much talent and beautiful football gathered on one single pitch. 1982 and 1986, in strangely parallel ways both Brazil and France mesmerised their fans with a mix of beauty and tragedy, both countries fielding some of their most beloved teams ever.
ESPN put it on their list of ten greatest World Cup matches of all time.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-c...739&ver=global
O tempora, o mores!! What has become of the Bleus, of France! To think this was once her face:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOKPsc6D7js&feature=PlayList&p=5619FDB7E0CF3D7B&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=20
France 2 - 0 South Africa
Mexico 0 - 1 Uruguay
Greece 0 - 4 Argentina
Nigeria 1 - 1 South Korea
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-says "no caps when we lose, s'il vous plait :embarassed:"monger. PJ and Fragony, no matter what they advocate, have far better profiles when it comes to reliability and stability. Heh.
:balloon2:
Huzzah! I finally got 3 pts for a correct prediction! Now for tomorrow...
:france: 0 - 0 :southafrica:
:mexico: 2 - 1 :uruguay:
:greece: 0 - 2 :argentina:
:nigeria: 2 - 1 :southkorea:
It's funny how Nigeria could progress with just one win and two defeats, whereas in Spain's group, it's quite likely that Spain/Chile/Swissland may each end up on 6 pts, leaving one of them behind.
By the by, did any of you come across with a team that in both matches proved to be favorites for the cup ?
I mean, no matter how much they score, none of the participants have yet to play like definite competitors for the cup so far, if you ask me.
This is Futsal:
Sporting beat Benfica away and celebrate the title this season.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqRBFs2XKdA
Benfica won the UEFA Futsal Cup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfUz...eature=related
:mexico: 1 - 1 :uruguay:
:france: 1 - 1 :southafrica:
:nigeria: 1 - 2 :southkorea:
:greece: 0 - 2 :argentina:
France 2 - 1 South Africa
Mexico 1 - 1 Uruguay
Greece 0 - 4 Argentina
Nigeria 0 - 1 South Korea
:france: 2 - 0 :southafrica:
:mexico: 1 - 1 :uruguay:
:greece: 0 - 3 :argentina:
:nigeria: 1 - 2 :southkorea:
France 0 - 1 South Africa
Mexico 0 - 0 Uruguay
Greece 0 - 3 Argentina
Nigeria 1 - 2 South Korea
hmm, think RSA and uraguay can score enough to put RSA in over mexico? They need three more unanswered goals between them right?
Actually I think RSA just needs one and uruguay needs one...
Allah, Gods of football or cosmic energy, call it whatever you like, Lö Blö got served what they deserved.
Platini prolly is thinking that they need MOAR bureaucrats to ensure a sound team next time. Leave him be; LEN likes this. Soothing syrup for sore throats.
My first group qualifiers prediction, or vae viisdştsus gşlasmius gşladsaşii as some too-intellectual-to-be-interested-in-football godlings name it, fail in the end having seen Uruguay and France qualifying respectively as a forecast. Anyway this is even better for:
- Prediction points are delivered to those craving for them while doubting the others'.
- Tournament has more things to offer as classically-favorites get knocked out.
Au revoir, Lö Blö, hopefully in a better shape next time.
And for his as-always blatancy:
ANELKA FOR THE PRESIDENT !
Oops, another caps following a Lö Blö defeat, sorray. :no:
Apparently Domenech refused to shake the hand of SA's manager. Pathetic. At least he has his retirement years to contemplate his childish strop now.
Yes, I don't know what that was about. Why Domenech should not bow out with some dignity, even as the eyes of the world are on him, I don't understand. Too much pressure, perhaps.
Pity South Africa couldn't progress. It is a troubled country, a party for them would've been great.
Uruguay is a strong team, with two phenomenal players up front - will they be this tournaments surprise package? They'll meet a weak team next round, so a at least a quarterfinal should be possible.
Pretty bad indeed, but this World Cup is all in all no fun at all altogether. Meh. I hope we lose from Italy.
Really? I thought most of the second matches have been great, at least entertaining, with plenty of surprising developments everywhere. I think it is a fascinating tournament.
From here on forward, it's all third day matches and knock-out stages, nearly all the matches should be tense. It could be awesome.
It's the whole atmosphere surrounding it, it's so joyless. I don't care if we win or not I want a good game. Should be a party. My biggest gripe is the Bavaria incident if you missed it, FIFA are bastards.
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/9948...afgevoerd.html
They just got released today. Screw that. Had to appear in court meh.
I still don't understand that, they were plain orange dresses with no branding as far as I'm aware so what was all the fuss about? They actually went to court over it? And FIFA brought them in for an "interview", who on earth do FIFA think they are, has South Africa given them special police powers as a backhander for getting the world cup?
You tell me http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/9943...ierwijven.html <- That's all
Yeah they were close to 5 months in prison because of these FIFA pricks. Budweiser sponsors it and all that.
Best Eleven Group A:
Muslera
Gaxa
Lugano
Mokoena
Salcido
Ribery
Diaby
Diego Perez
Dos Santos
Mphela
Luis Suarez
Slovenia - England 1:1
USA - Algeria 2:1
Ghana - Germany 1:3
Australia - Serbia 2:2
Go South-Korea! Yeah!
What on earth were Greece doing? They had to win so they sat back? It makes no sense?! :dizzy2:
And poor Yakubu, that was the best miss I've ever seen, a tap in from about four yards out from facing the centre of goal, with no keeper or defender in sight. Dear oh dear...