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ender/rask - seems unlikely
ender/sleep - possible but feel like sleep voting ender openly saying it was a sheep didnt seem w/w
rask/wisdom - i guess nothing wrong with this. some pg.1 interaction that i'd need to double check. gut says this is not it but not impossible
rask/sleep - seems possible
ender/wisdom - seems possible
assuming i am not misreading anyone this is where i am at
Ladd/Visor what's your thoughts on Cape?
I'm confident there's at least 1 wolf in Ender/Sleep/Cape btw
Originally Posted by Wisdom:
posted well, think he is fairly likely to be a villager tho it is easier to post as a wolf subbing in (esp if he was reading along)
Ladd/Visor what's your thoughts on Cape?
but his thoughts flow well, his jumping around and re evaluation all seemed believable to me, he had some stuff that showed me the wheels in his brain are turning (to use a Voxxism) and he has good tone to top it off
Originally Posted by Wisdom:
nothing particularly strong, posts have seemed reasonable, hasn't really struggled, seems to be doing regular enough cape things
Ladd/Visor what's your thoughts on Cape?
Originally Posted by Wisdom:
i mean, can you talk about them individually as to why they are wolves?
I'm confident there's at least 1 wolf in Ender/Sleep/Cape btw
do you not worry that either ladd or myself (or jan?) could hav ebussed?
Originally Posted by Cape90:
lol bub.
I specifically am thrown off by this comment in this post
IDK, it really sounds like ur wolf here with that "very good"
Sorry for your not "very good" rand :bow:
Dunno what it is about it, it seems kinda police-y?
You sound extremely uncomfortable
the "very good" means exactly that I was starting to worry about this slot because Taffy sounded tonally different from past games but I don't have to wonder about it now because they are selfresolving. "Very good" as in, with Syn kinda out of thde chopping block too, I just have to find 4 more villagers to get a game winning POE.
Originally Posted by Cape90:
lololol wth
i agree ladd is town
anyways die potato
Originally Posted by Visor:
Jan didn't bus, not like that, 0 worries there.
nothing particularly strong, posts have seemed reasonable, hasn't really struggled, seems to be doing regular enough cape things
i mean, can you talk about them individually as to why they are wolves?
do you not worry that either ladd or myself (or jan?) could hav ebussed?
My thoughts on you/ladd have nothing to do with your approach to (whatever the name of the wolf was). And you're likely not w/w, pretty sure you wouldn't both care about being active here when there's just about no thread activity, or you would at least use your time in thread to interact with each other to give some kind of non w/w vibe rather than just echoing each other like you're doing now.
But sure, if one of you is a wolf and Rask is the other then there's no wolf in Cape/Sleep/Ender. I'm not there yet though.
Oh, and Rask/ladd is also not w/w so nvm that possibility.
Originally Posted by Visor:
tbh both of you are saying this but I am being in everyone's POE for raisins and it's cetainly hurting my joie de vivre smh.
i also feel this, yeah
there's a lack of... idk fun (joie de vivre, like you said earlier lol)
Like Cape is being the real potatoe conf-biaising himself into locking me for surface level micro reads. Ladd just copypasted my point of view then go on to vote me like the slimmy sloab he is. You are constantly posting I am a wolf since game start for no sensible reasons either.
Your reason to clear Ender is dumb af and both of you are spearheading a chop on a villager and loosing us a valuable day lol.
The fact Wisdom reversed their read on me without expressed reason and are voting happily with you should just spew me town (look this wagon lmao) and make it clear it's just Wisdom/Ender most of the time.
su l8r.
edit: Ender, will reread EOD1 l8r to see if I actually missed the context to your Wisdom vote, maybe I just did since I scroll back from last tally
Vote: wisdom
better
Originally Posted by :
Its viceversa :p
Ladd just copypasted my point of view
Bbl
unvote
Originally Posted by Cape90:
I'm ngl I saw the Suibian posts and was like "That's an awful lot of words to say 'I don't scumread anyone'."
oh and Suibian is back to being town
i think i will just stick to killing wisdom
i just don't believe their solving aorn
Originally Posted by Wisdom:
Why is Rask not part of this even though you're voting him?
I'm confident there's at least 1 wolf in Ender/Sleep/Cape btw
What is it about that specific subset minus rask that makes you confident to say this?
I don't think I like Rask's "valuable day" thing. Something pings off about how much he cares about going over.
But also this worked out well last day phase so...
Vote: Wisdom
I think I don't mind living in the current POE. I'm at least surrounded by people I think are likely wolves. Ladd is the only person I think wolf who has actually escaped the POE for now. (Yes, yes, I just made a snarky comment about Suibian. Keeping an eye there but I do still like their tone and interactions. Current wolf lists on my end do not have them over Wisdom/Rask/Ladd)
Originally Posted by :
How
Ladd is the only person I think wolf
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin:
I think the most likely world is Rask + one of the three and the second likilies world is 2 of the three and least likely is one of Visor/ladd + one of the 4 in PoE. I don't see a world where other possibilities exist.
Why is Rask not part of this even though you're voting him?
What is it about that specific subset minus rask that makes you confident to say this?
I don't know what Visor is on about, it's weird but I still think it's towny.
@EnderWiggin
Originally Posted by Visor:
ender or wisdom pls
dont kill monty or raskOriginally Posted by Visor:
so my initial read on wisdom was that they were too slanky to be a wolf but then they made some more posts and i was like woah slow down there chief thats some wolfy stuff
ender still more likely to be a wolf tho imoOriginally Posted by Visor:
sorry i don't really feel like explaining 'i looked at their posts and i felt bad'
thats about itOriginally Posted by EnderWiggin:
Ohshit
Vote: WisdomOriginally Posted by Gemma:
Votal 1.5
Monty (3) - Rask (#38), Barto (#67), Wisdom (#185)
Wisdom (3) - Visor (#147), Sleep (#229), Ender (#256)
Barto (2) - Jan (#73), ladd (#175)
Rask (2) - Taffy (#11), Monty (#274)
Jan (1) - Suibian (#9)
Taffy (1) - Syn (#232)
https://media.tenor.com/FVL2P5gxMnAAAAAM/phew-close.gif
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin:
So you basically came in at EOD with a case on Monty and saying that your other SR was Jan. post 207
I was gonna change votes but this is a 3-way tie and I like that.
Then Visor comes in asking for you or Wisdom, gives a couple of arguments. You choose to follow up on his joke and vote Wisdom. You stayed there for a while and wagons grew to 4-way tie.
It's not so much that your Wisdom vote is a joke Ender, it's that you appeared to not give a shit to where your vote were going.
Ofc the last minute switch on a villa while El Barto was flipping red shows that most likely all other wagons were town (I am, Monty was and I'd say Wisdom has chance to be given wagonomics) and builds up your scum equity friendo :p
I mean, wagons were pretty stables during the day. (Monty, me)
I can probably find the whole wolf team, or at least clear someone, based on who wolves tried to nk, so would be hype to see who the intended nk was.
Unless it's Syn, I guess. That wouldn't tell me much.
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin:
Like what? At least tell us what so it doesn't look like shades.
I don't think I like Rask's "valuable day" thing. Something pings off about how much he cares about going over.
But also this worked out well last day phase so...
Vote: Wisdom
Tbh, I think most of you are going with a volume tell or something, and since I haven't been able to sit the thread for a while, people are scumreading me because I feel different smh.
idgs to be yeeted, but it would make for a nice change if we can avoid a loose after chopping a scum D1 (which I am really tired of tbh)
Originally Posted by ladd:
Was gonna reread Wisdom last string of posts because of Visor's read there, but took 2 minutes to restablish some things, Ladd :p
Its viceversa :p
Bbl
unvote
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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov:
Sup guys.
Ngl wanted to turbo Ender but I guess we will think about it (eod1 looks like an uncontrolled fiasco for woofs but I might have that wrong need to reread.)
Congrats taffy unvoting me. Both elite villa move and hilarious :thumbsup:
I exist and have thoughts.
One wolf in Visor/Ender.
Need to look back at Ladd and Wisdom tbh. Though not sure why. Prolly not a pairing but two slots Ive been uncomfy on reread.
Taffy looked different but I think I saw a claim, very good.
Gonna drive today. Will articulate these reads l8r if they are stickers.Originally Posted by Raskolnikov:
I tryed to order things after some of driving...
Syn
Taffy
No reason to doubt the claims aorn. Think it's great play to claim now and having Taffy's target before EOD would be golden.
Ladd Think I like their posting for the most part. Pushed for Monty D1 but ended up on El Barto who were not in contention till late while wagons were tt (me/Monty). Don't feel like a wolf motivated move to me. Same reaction than me to Ender's EOD.
Visor Kind of liked his energy on some posts at EOD, trying to shake things while 2 MLs were lined up already. Just feel like a villager.
Rest is null or lower but not sure I can articulate why I ordered like that lol.
Sleep
Tammy
Cape
Jan
Wisdom had an early villa read on them because of the way they TRed both Syn and I while he was trying to suss me. Reminded me some of their villa play. Though that's about it iirc.
Ender Just cased Monty but was voting Wisdom at EOD before Visor put El Barto in the lead one minute before deadline. Swiitched to Monty to save El Barto presumably (didnt seem a good move before that) :shrug:
in a wolf!Ender world, Wisdom is a villager
Just think the wolfes were taken by surprise at EOD and didn't see an El Barto yeet coming. Hence I would not pursue El barto voters today (Jan, Ladd, Subian, Visor), nor THe claimed PRs (Taffy, Syn).
I wanna look more at Ender/Wisdom, and Sleep I guess. (Cape no reason to look into and wanna let him time to contribute I guess)Originally Posted by ladd:
(highlighted the important part)
feel like rask is def missing some joie de vivre in their posting today
i dunno, visor read on ender i still really do not follow and am pretty wtf about but i generally think he is prob a villager otherwise?
i am at something like this:
villagers
ladd
taffy
syn
jan
tammy
prob villas
cape
visor
PoE
sleep
rask
ender
wisdom
i havent minded sleep posting but objectively can't really clear them
rask/ender prob not w/w (not only for today but also for interactions on d1)
@Totally not Taffy can you claim who you healed?
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So maybe people can get in my shoes and understand I lack joie de vivre when I stumble upon this:
Originally Posted by ladd:
vote:rask
i buy what rask is saying, i am back to them being a villager
https://media.giphy.com/media/jPAdK8Nfzzwt2/giphy.gif
Tbh it would be so much easier for me to just SR you but I don't wanna tinfoil that rn because I don't think wolves felt an early need to bus El Barto (unless he warned in wolf chat he wouldln't be able to play properly dunno). Kindof the same logic applies to Jan.
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov:
my comment on the joie de vivre was also based on d1, but you are prob right that the fact you were afk second half of d1 influenced my feeling
So maybe people can get in my shoes and understand I lack joie de vivre when I stumble upon this:
i am cool with you now and you are back in my villas
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Originally Posted by :
why would you wolfread me? why would anyone wolf read me this game lol
Tbh it would be so much easier for me to just SR you but I don't wanna tinfoil that rn because I don't think wolves felt an early need to bus El Barto (unless he warned in wolf chat he wouldln't be able to play properly dunno). Kindof the same logic applies to Jan.
i swear my name has been thrown around by everyone as their favourite tinfoil but like...why? i have voted a wolf and have posting villagery wtf do you guis want lol
Vote: EnderWiggin
Originally Posted by ladd:
Precisaly, I made that post to show that despite there are some stuff I dislike in your posting (and things u said which are not true or just partially etc), I am still TRing you for a precise reason.
why would you wolfread me? why would anyone wolf read me this game lol
i swear my name has been thrown around by everyone as their favourite tinfoil but like...why? i have voted a wolf and have posting villagery wtf do you guis want lol
I think there was a comment you made to Jan D1, Ladd, that looked potentially uncalled for and ww, but can't really remember what and is now unrelevant with EOD1 tally.
Maybe I am wording things that way because of this. oh yeap it's when Jan posted about being the potential N1 and you called him out with a "oh villagery" kindof post.
anyway, will reread Wisdom a bit.
Originally Posted by Visor:
Jan - town. I’ve consistently liked his posts and feel good about him overall. I don’t feel a need to reevaluate this read today.
The claims don't bother me, they are what they are, makes enough sense to me
Tammy, read on Jan/ladd/raskol?
Ladd - weaker town read but I haven’t seen anything scummy. Good flow, good tone.
Rask - eh this is one I need to think about and reevaluate. My read was mostly he seemed fine and I didn’t understand what Monty was on about yesterday. I started doubting this when he wasn’t at eod yesterday, because I worried he was avoiding eod when he was a wagon and said he’d be here, but I think I mistook a sleep post for rask as their avatars look bit similar to me. So this is a lot of words to say idk but this is a read I wanted to look back at this day when I have the time after work.
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin:
i dont get how you can make this statement when d1 i basically said part of what you said about monty before you and iirc we had similarish reads
I think this is probably the first Ladd post I've seen and immediately just agreed with without reservations.
and now of all statements to agree with...its wanting more out of rask/wisdom which is something so generic
and now you apparentely think i am a wolf - why? because i am pushing you and i pushed you another game before when I was a villager? idk man that doesnt make much sense to me, am i not allowed to push you anymore cause 1 game i was a wolf in i pushe dyou lol
i think i have explained fairly well why i think you are a wolf this game (it doesnt take a lot of imagination to think of a world where you are a wolf) but just in case i'll re explain it:
you voted monty in what was basicall RVS on pg.1 for (imo) a silly reason, then you turned that into a real (and your only) push towards EoD by quoting basically every post in monty iso and calling it wolfy
then you made this post to monty:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin:
Heya Monty.
Can I have some brief top town/top wolf reads from ya?
Just like... idk
First 3 names for either like Taffy did to pocket you.
which to me really reads like the classic wolf trying to appease the villager they are pushing by asking some generic questions they don't care to have the answer to (which visor iirc called out, which is why i am even more confuse dby him backing off today)
then from this point on, you have 0 interactions, re valaution or pondering/doubt on monty alignment until you snipe him at the end of EoD:
Originally Posted by EnderWiggin:
hope this helps
Vote: Monty
Who saw this top 10 anime betrayal coming
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Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Originally Posted by Wisdom:
How do you come up with this when your very next post shows you haven't cleared me at this point in time?
Making bringing the only wolf up to form 3-3-3 wagons is not how busses happen. Suibian is pretty much lock town now.
Originally Posted by Visor:
https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2...7beV/giphy.gif
im not trying to be snarky - i just feel disappointed lol (hard to explain - i guess its just i know you are a good player so when i see this im like cmon bronana)
Originally Posted by Jan:
The better part is that Visor would hate someone pushing him for these very reasons lol, dude wants the right to slank as a villa but apparently we poor villas will be denied the favor. rip
https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2...7beV/giphy.gif
inb4 Visor is just a wolf throwing this at town!Wisdom for giggles (don't really believe it but would be hilarious).
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov:
To be clearer: is anyone reading this as a slip/TMI or should I just shrug it off and move on?
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
How do you come up with this when your very next post shows you haven't cleared me at this point in time?
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov:
i was gonna let wisdom answer but they meant to bring it 3/3/3 with monty/wisdom/barto where the only wolf (out of those 3) was barto
To be clearer: is anyone reading this as a slip/TMI or should I just shrug it off and move on?
so ya not a slip and not really of interest imo
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Smh Rask ^^
But yeah, what ladd said.
Going out for today, might not come back.
Btw how can you see your daily post count?
vote:sleep
Sorry but the more i read the more you feel the odd one out and i get the feeling you regret subbing in the game (which is prob true regardless of your alignment i guess)
Gotta go for a bit but i have basically the week off work so i may even stay awake for eod who knows
Bbl
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I would not be surprised if one of ender/sleep is in my blind spot.
Originally Posted by Suibian:
Whats your reads rn?
I would not be surprised if one of ender/sleep is in my blind spot.
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Originally Posted by Wisdom:
You count them manually :curtain:
Btw how can you see your daily post count?
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Originally Posted by ladd:
Everybody’s town!
Whats your reads rn?
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I wish I were joking but I keep thinking I suspect someone they post and I go hrm never mind they might be town. I don’t have any strong scum reads so I need to revisit. I’m writing someone off as town that I shouldn’t be, so I need to review my blind spots. It sucks when this happens but things haven’t clicked into place yet.
hey, sorry for my absence, wasnt really in the mood for mafia yesterday, going to try to get up to speed real quickly
Originally Posted by Wisdom:
this was my angleshoot-y wisdom town read btw
I mean, fair, I've just been in a slump since Champs and trying to find a way to play where I can both have fun, make good reads and feel respected for the time I put into playing. I'd rather disappoint than burn out and getting no cred for it. I can't even be here for EoD's, where most people are online, so even if I do big things right now people will forget about it by the time it matters.
Originally Posted by Sleep:
the game is slow enough to take a day off. No worries.
hey, sorry for my absence, wasnt really in the mood for mafia yesterday, going to try to get up to speed real quickly
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov:
this is a wolf post
tbh both of you are saying this but I am being in everyone's POE for raisins and it's cetainly hurting my joie de vivre smh.
Like Cape is being the real potatoe conf-biaising himself into locking me for surface level micro reads. Ladd just copypasted my point of view then go on to vote me like the slimmy sloab he is. You are constantly posting I am a wolf since game start for no sensible reasons either.
Your reason to clear Ender is dumb af and both of you are spearheading a chop on a villager and loosing us a valuable day lol.
The fact Wisdom reversed their read on me without expressed reason and are voting happily with you should just spew me town (look this wagon lmao) and make it clear it's just Wisdom/Ender most of the time.
su l8r.
edit: Ender, will reread EOD1 l8r to see if I actually missed the context to your Wisdom vote, maybe I just did since I scroll back from last tally
Originally Posted by Suibian:
Rask, wisdom, sleep, ender are the ones I need to review the most I think.
Everybody’s town!
I wish I were joking but I keep thinking I suspect someone they post and I go hrm never mind they might be town. I don’t have any strong scum reads so I need to revisit. I’m writing someone off as town that I shouldn’t be, so I need to review my blind spots. It sucks when this happens but things haven’t clicked into place yet.
Its not. Me too I will try posting my pet dreams till they come true
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov:
unvote: Sleep
Its not. Me too I will try posting my pet dreams till they come true
vote: Raskol
just going to post my thoughts as bullet points rather than addressing individual points
- cape's entry is fine, i was initially weirded out by him immediately re-reading people but it became aparent he was just throwing isos on everyone, kind of felt like busywork at first but decided i was okay with it as it went on and seemed more like him trying to orient himself within the game rather than hunting for positioning
- i don't think taffy makes a claim like that as mafia, syn is bizarre but also dont think mafia is likely to fakeclaim vig
- don't think lack of investment is a good reason to clear wisdom as syn suggests
- not sure visor's reasoning in #400 is great, i have seen scum go all in on trying to save a partner day 1 in the hope the risky play works, and if he hadn't voted monty there his progression would have been suspect. this is especially true if the other partner is potentially not around to do much - losing a teammate there might put him in the hole irrevocably. as it is it feels like the POE is pretty narrow to me and i have less reason to claer ender than other people
- rask's re-entry doesn't really do anything for me
- ender's page 15 doesn't really feel that scummy to me, idk. it does feel kind of like there's some town entitlement to how he was reacting to pressure
-kind of concerned by cape initially townreading me then angling toward potentially voting me when i've been absent and laddsuggests me as a ossibility
- i think ladd's POE in #455 is basically fine tbh and where i was at, I have a slight concern over cape but that's only a 5th name anyway and i think this game is probably just an easy one for town hopefully
-wisdom's progression still not doing much for me altho i'm not sure what wisdom COULD post at this point that would make me townread her. i get why people backed off but it kind of reads like generic emotional appeal stuff which feels a little scummy
- don't have real thoughts on rask's most recwent pots right now, need to re-look at them later because everything is blurring together in my head at this point
unfortunately my schedule is also not great for this game and i have only a couple more hours i can be here, then i'm gone and won't be present for EOD. will try to get in what i can in that time if anyone has stuff they want to ask me do it now
Originally Posted by Sleep:
To me, wisdom read as a villager for being non-apologetic and going against the grain early on.
- don't think lack of investment is a good reason to clear wisdom as syn suggests
Nobody has agreed with that at all so I am willing to let it go. Just curious if you think that speaks to wisdoms alignment.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
taffy where is u
wrt Wisdom -
I don't think they have done anything unfakeable at all but I also don't really think they have been particularly wolfy?
I kinda liked how they went super quickly from having me as a villa read:
Originally Posted by Wisdom:
to this below:
So upon catch upon I grew confident on two more town reads:
Suibian - I think it's self explanatory, from my PoV the way he's written those walls are calm and transparent, focused without the agenda. Think he's bleeding town, and trying to figure out what it means for cape bringing it up first (probably nothing, slight plus?).
Ladd - So far mostly a vibe thing and it's kind of weird because I'm usually more careful calling him town when I know his reads are wrong, but I think his approach to me makes sense (and expecting him to have perfect reads isn't fair, sorry about the mash).
Can't remember Syn claiming so will check that out, but for now I feel good about calling [ladd, suibian, taffy] town.
Originally Posted by Wisdom:
Nice, Jan is also town.
[Taffy, Syn, Suibian, Jan, Ladd?] town
Least confident on ladd now that I see some objectively towny stuff but I can keep him in the box for now!
5 to go, who even plays this game?
[Visor, Ender, Sleep, Cape, Rask]
If I can get 1 more town read (hoping one of them got docced) and decide where to vote this game is probably cracked! But that's in a bit.
Will try to be available for 9 hours if someone wanna vibe! Meanwhile it's time get out of bed ^^
feels like the classic paranoia that sadly villagers seem to have towards me lol
Originally Posted by Wisdom:
@Wisdom How did you come up with these 3 names?
I'm confident there's at least 1 wolf in Ender/Sleep/Cape btw
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov:
you seemed pretty confident it was ender/wisdom
So you basically came in at EOD with a case on Monty and saying that your other SR was Jan. post 207
Then Visor comes in asking for you or Wisdom, gives a couple of arguments. You choose to follow up on his joke and vote Wisdom. You stayed there for a while and wagons grew to 4-way tie.
It's not so much that your Wisdom vote is a joke Ender, it's that you appeared to not give a shit to where your vote were going.
Ofc the last minute switch on a villa while El Barto was flipping red shows that most likely all other wagons were town (I am, Monty was and I'd say Wisdom has chance to be given wagonomics) and builds up your scum equity friendo :p
I mean, wagons were pretty stables during the day. (Monty, me)
if wisdom is a villager due to wagonomics, who do you think is a wolf with ender? i also don't really follow why you think wisdom has a chance to be a villager due to wagonomics
Originally Posted by Wisdom:
man this vote is pretty meh
Going to bed
vote: Montmercy
Glgl
was it sheeping me still? cause:
1) I voted barto like 10 posts before this one
2) monty had been posting on the page previous to this vote, did you read his posts? did you have any thoughts on them?
just so i dont waste another post on this - i re skimmed visor ISO just in case and i am okay locking him in as a villager and redy to be snowed again :curtain:
he is hitting all his villa notes to me
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Originally Posted by Cape90:
I’m on my phone so can’t cut this down, sorry. That makes sense, and sometimes I am swayed by other people’s words, especially when I’m feeling very unconfident about a read, think some of my reasoning is silly, and when it comes from someone I respect in general and their words make sense to me. It doesn’t mean I will for every read, but definitely for some. I can be quite waffly in general and go back and forth between things I’m not sure of.
oh and Suibian is back to being town
quotes from 440 from Suibian that make me think they are likely town
It just seemed to me that you were swayed very easily by words
(the colored I was bothered by because they just felt wrong, you know? Kinda uncomfy and squirmy)
Especially when you actually gave a solid towncase on Monty
And not to mention you went from reconsidering your read on Monty to not wanting to vote Monty.
And yk, making a good choice into killing El Barto
I saw it as a possible guilty consciousness thing to where you just decided to kill El Barto just to make yourself look good, but that's also not an avenue I am particularly interested pressing in on today when i just find it more likely that scum were not on El Barto. Occam's Razor is a thing after all
Originally Posted by Suibian:
this is a pretty villagery thought
I fell asleep mid-skim last night when I got home, but my knee-jerk reaction to this post was that Ladd was defending the night kill in a way that I thought he made the kill, but if Syn is telling the truth about being the vig who shot Monty then this thought was probably dumb, and in that case this post feels towny. (I know there could be double dipping and all, but that being the nightkill is just too odd that I don't want to believe it.)
i dunno, i was getting a bit worried about tammy cause idk them at all and getting by as a wolf by posting walls in such a slow game is a pretty easy strat (which is a bit unfari on my part cause its also a perfectly fine playstyle as a villager) but all their thoughts sound good/villagery to me and people who have meta there seem to believe tammy is just a villager so i am cool with them
i re read cape posts and i am gonna demote him 1 tier cause while they sound good, most of the good stuff is immediately after sub in and its pretty easy to post the way he has as a wolf i think. Don't see anything clearing tho i still feel guilty about mislunching him last game so i wont touch him today
i also did something i havent done in years and skimmed a rask wolf game for some meta. their posting here def feels better to me tho I think they have another gear if they are a villager and can fully clear themselves
also saw some minor cape/ender w/w looking stuff while reading back, wonder if that could make sense
right now i am at
v
ladd
taffy
syn
jan
visor
tammy
the rest
sleep -not sure how to read their play this game, feel like they have done nothing ai lol
wisdom - going back and forth. i am slightlyyyy more on them being v than w now i think
rask - similar to above sometimes i want to move them up and sometimes i wanna lunch them. right now i am more on the former but hope to see more between now and eod. if them/wisdom is v/v thats rough for the gamestate right now tho
ender - idk, objectively to me it's still the slot who has the wolfiest stuff but i also wanna honour visor read here
cape - never bee great at reading cape, wanna see more beyond the isos
not ordered
will be back before eod to pick a vote
vote:unvote
Originally Posted by Sleep:
i dont think i suggested you before cape turned on you fwiw
-kind of concerned by cape initially townreading me then angling toward potentially voting me when i've been absent and laddsuggests me as a ossibility
cape hasnt posted since i voted you
rest of your points seem reasonable
man if taffy doesnt post before eod...that's rough
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ok im leaving for real now, probably not going to be at EOD tho if i'm lucky i might get back a few minutes before. prob should have considered my schedule before subbing in, sorry abt that.
wish i could be more help but think game is in a good place anyway, atm i'm kind of fine to go with the flow and let other people lead because i trust their instincts more than my own. unless someone wants me to sheep i'm just gonna not vote
unvote
Originally Posted by ladd:
I have never been confident in ender/wisdom, reread my posts. I had an early TR on Wisdom (Tammy posted the post I liked about Syn/me being vv a bit earlier, which reminded some takes from v!Wisdom but these are still all in all ez to make so that read didn't quite stick), but then was left with people I liked more SOD2 hence their positionning in my reads.
you seemed pretty confident it was ender/wisdom
if wisdom is a villager due to wagonomics, who do you think is a wolf with ender? i also don't really follow why you think wisdom has a chance to be a villager due to wagonomics
Basically both reads were independant.
Now about wagonomics, below are the last VCs of D1:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
You can see that Wisdom went from having one vote to being top wagon before EOD shenanigans. IIRC before sleep and Ender voted them, several folks, including you/Visor had voiced the fact they had me as maybe villa and that the stuff on to Monty were not so hot (you posted something like that for sure). So maybe it's a stretch, but I can definatly see Wisdom being another villa wagon built up to help avoiding El Barto flip.
Gonna revisit this EOD with a town!Ender mindset to see if I can make sense of it.
Originally Posted by Sleep:
man i am such a sucker lol
ok im leaving for real now, probably not going to be at EOD tho if i'm lucky i might get back a few minutes before. prob should have considered my schedule before subbing in, sorry abt that.
wish i could be more help but think game is in a good place anyway, atm i'm kind of fine to go with the flow and let other people lead because i trust their instincts more than my own. unless someone wants me to sheep i'm just gonna not vote
unvote
i wanna v read this post so bad
alrighty rask thx
Ender/cape as the team is kinda making ~everything make sense to me right now so I'll live in this world for a while. I just have 1 hung up
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Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
While reading cape iso before this wall struck me as kinda w/w looking with a villa read that didnt feel like it had a ton of meat behind it and every comment on a quote being matched with also a softball question
Originally Posted by Cape90:
and then this post kinda feels like a wolf who saw his teammate getting cleared for a reason he doesnt agree with so he explains why its a bad reason while still calling him town
I disagree with this line of logic actually. I feel like Ender was townread enough day 1 to where as wolf, I have a feeling that he could end up in a position to where he feels comfy enough to save his mafia partner
like i could see that even though I am currently thinking that he's just town
Originally Posted by Cape90:
Well I have looked far and wide but there isn't a read on Wisdom in your ISO, but what is your Wisdom read? I am curiousOriginally Posted by EnderWiggin:
this also is something I generally find to be >rand w/w from experience. dont ask me why
Forgot to respond to this. I kind've don't have one. Wisdom felt like they were doing something and I don't have the best track record and I didn't understand Visor's sus on me let alone Wisdom so I just sorta ignored it in favour of the person I thought was sus.
also cape wall to ender had more questions for him but i think (could be wrong on that, cba to double check) ender only saw the last one cause he probably didnt read the full wall. You know who does not read posts carefully? wolves when they read the posts of other wolves eheh
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vote: ender
gonna leave this as a place holder in case i dont come back but most likley i'll be back in a couple of hours
to be clear I am not as convinced on this as it may seem, I am just having some fun
but I have the most reasons to think ender is a wolf out of anyone so I am gonna vote him. sorry if wrong
Originally Posted by ladd:
vote: ender
vote: ender
gonna leave this as a place holder in case i dont come back but most likley i'll be back in a couple of hours
to be clear I am not as convinced on this as it may seem, I am just having some fun
but I have the most reasons to think ender is a wolf out of anyone so I am gonna vote him. sorry if wrong
He says fun.
I say let's go!
wack
Cape's iso is sure an ode to Ender's villagery. (in addition to what Ladd just brought) THere are some uncalled mention to him to stress that lol
for instance in post 351.
(outrageous post btw, mostly filled with shades - yeah sorry, I didn't come back after friday afternoon and it's not AI lol, these questions would look differently otherwise. dare to say, if u think of it, it's one of the thing that makes me more likely villa than wolf, but Cape didn't think through it - or problems/questions that I have answered prior to this post. Finally, when I get back to one read I had early on Monty, it's also a reason to suddenly vote me lol)
@EnderWiggin
claim or die at this point i guess bronana
7 not that I'm ever going to hit postcap lol
Originally Posted by Sleep:
Sorry for ignoring your post yesterday, the truth was that I knew that between coming off a delayed flight of horrors I'd be starting the mash D6 quasi solo on 2,5 hours of sleep, then have a bunch of rl engagements I couldn't get out of today and I just wouldn't get here until now if I didn't post when I did. So it was either that or waste 75% of town's day while risking getting maj'd simply for not being here. Remember I ended D1 being called a wolf by three people for unvoting Raskolnikov and then starting today with Syn clearly out for my blood.
is there a reason you felt the need to claim? not doubting it but just, like, why
Originally Posted by ladd:
Why would I ever doc Visor I'd have to townread him first and afair that hasn't ever happened. Ngl I've been debating lying about it and just saying it was you bc I docced the person who I believed was the other PR and now with Syn I'm not so sure anymore I want to give them the towncred. Or help the wolves find them. Like if you already think Monty was not an obvious wolf target...
taffy prob docced me or visor. i hope its visor so i dont have to tinfoil him
:curtain:
Originally Posted by Syn:
I got it, Raskolnikov got it, Visor got it, and that's just the people who hinted at it in thread. Assuming that at least one wolf also got it is not so far out there, and personally I think you're denying it so hard and so loudly it sounds like "I could never be a wolf shooting Monty, honest!".
I really don't think your "Monty is claiming PR" is as obvious and believable as you think it is. neither your "I was claiming" and "Monty was claiming" look to be anything remotely comprehensible to me
you might have seen him as claiming, but that seems to be a uniquely taffy affair
But I'll trust Ladd's reads over mine here.
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Originally Posted by Visor:
This post contradicts itself. Ender did vote in a way that could have saved Barto, and here we are with you calling it twtbaw, which is exactly the defense I've seen him use himself for doing exactly this as a wolf. And you know him longer and better than I do. You should not be townreading him for this.
basically ender committing to saving barto at eod doesn't make a lot of sense
for one, if it fails it just kills him the next day (and people were village reading him)
or at least makes it hard for him to survive the day (and if he succeeds, low odds of barto livign the game and if he dies, ender always dies)
basically his end goal if voting to save barto is to give him one more day - but it also relies upon barto being able to talk his way out of dying
just feel like the safe option is to bus your partner there and think ender would know that
comes across as a move devoid of ulterior motives, basically
Originally Posted by Visor:
Yeah, dude, you need to give up on this read because it's bad. Ender 100% does this as a wolf, and exactly for this reason. Read him off of other things.
yeah but then he left it up to the last minute to make it look as bad as possible
like if he is planning to vote monty anyway, he votes and keeps the vote on monty earlier
he looks terrible now because right at the last second he 'voted to save a wolf', but if he voted earlier and kept it there, we wouldn't be having this conversation (i.e. because he wasn't thinking ahead of time in terms of wagon construction, he showed up, yoloed around and madethe worst possible vote, as a wolf he at least votes monty earlier so it doesnt stick out like a sore thumb when he does it imo)
Also you never answered my question: why were you ok with Monty and Raskolnikov being in a four-way tie right after asking everybody not to kill them? That is really still bothering me.
@Visor ping me if you do reply
Cape's progression on me is unreal tbh. It feels like he doesn't give a damn about my slot. (it's not like he asked me anything, nor have read the replies I gave to people asking the same stuff that he did apparently)
He goes from shades to posting "???" to "die potato" lol
I am really laughing out loud rn.
I live for Ender's claim tbh.
Originally Posted by Raskolnikov:
Wait what did I miss why would Ender be claiming?
I live for Ender's claim tbh.
Originally Posted by :
You are gonna die tonight so we need this info out in the open, especially since the wolves most likely already know assuming they shot your target
Why would I ever doc Visor I'd have to townread him first and afair that hasn't ever happened. Ngl I've been debating lying about it and just saying it was you bc I docced the person who I believed was the other PR and now with Syn I'm not so sure anymore I want to give them the towncred. Or help the wolves find them. Like if you already think Monty was not an obvious wolf target...
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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov:
I have never voted outside my main scumread to maintain a tie.
@EnderWiggin
So you basically came in at EOD with a case on Monty and saying that your other SR was Jan. post 207
Then Visor comes in asking for you or Wisdom, gives a couple of arguments. You choose to follow up on his joke and vote Wisdom. You stayed there for a while and wagons grew to 4-way tie.
It's not so much that your Wisdom vote is a joke Ender, it's that you appeared to not give a shit to where your vote were going.
Ofc the last minute switch on a villa while El Barto was flipping red shows that most likely all other wagons were town (I am, Monty was and I'd say Wisdom has chance to be given wagonomics) and builds up your scum equity friendo :p
I mean, wagons were pretty stables during the day. (Monty, me)
Never. (/s)
Vote: Rask
Sorry but this just reads off given you both know and have HELPED me make tie situations at EOD when I've voted not my main scumread until the last minute.
Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy:
not revealing is extremely anti-town
Why would I ever doc Visor I'd have to townread him first and afair that hasn't ever happened. Ngl I've been debating lying about it and just saying it was you bc I docced the person who I believed was the other PR and now with Syn I'm not so sure anymore I want to give them the towncred. Or help the wolves find them. Like if you already think Monty was not an obvious wolf target...
why would you ever claim if you're not going to reveal your doc target
Originally Posted by :
they didn't get it
I got it, Raskolnikov got it, Visor got it, and that's just the people who hinted at it in thread. Assuming that at least one wolf also got it is not so far out there, and personally I think you're denying it so hard and so loudly it sounds like "I could never be a wolf shooting Monty, honest!".
But I'll trust Ladd's reads over mine here.
yes you're right I'm a wolf. you caught me. ooooo. I claimed vig when it wasn't necessary (people already told you they had no intent on listening to you deciding the wagons; I claimed specifically to save your [and possibly Cape's] time and effort) and guaranteed my death before LYLO for a five-layered genius wolf master plan
Originally Posted by Visor:
Ohhh I get it.
@EnderWiggin
claim or die at this point i guess bronana
Originally Posted by Visor:
I haven't caught up but I'm all in on believing Visor at this point.
@EnderWiggin
claim or die at this point i guess bronana
I am Vest Giver - I gave Visor a vest N1. (Hence my "I'm invested in Visor" daystart post. Which I believe he picked up on hence his weird read of me.)
Originally Posted by Visor:
@taffy I am memeing about this post. (because I think Ender is a wolf and will come in with a lol claim at EOD)
@EnderWiggin
claim or die at this point i guess bronana
Which given I assume ~3 PRs for this kind of setup means we've successfully all claimed D2.
Semi-bucket strats I guess?
lmao sock xpost.
I luv u Ender