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How exactly are we going to determine Laevinius' guilt? The battle was autoresolved, so is this just a big role-playing exercise where we make things up?
When I fought the battle when we weren't sure what was going to happen, it took place at night, and in the rain. I had trouble locating the exact ford; maybe we could use that in his defense? Just not sure what to do here. :dizzy2:
But if you save during the end-of-turn battles, it's a bit tricky to activate the script, no?
Also, why are our motions going like this?
9.1
9.2
...
9.9
9.10
Surely we should have them go like this?
9.01
9.02
...
9.09
EDIT:
Mafia style drama, see who can convince more votes in his favour ~DQuote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
~:idea: This gives me a great idea!
Do you guys mind if I do a story on Laevinius for the Writing Contest? It'll be called "The Tragedy of Publius Laevinius" or something like that and it'll detail his experiences through the game. Could start out with the expansion of Rome to becoming a hero and end with what happens with the trial.
I'm all excited now :dizzy2:
Sounds interesting to me. And I believe the whole trial is to make the players feel more involved with their specific characters. Enhancing the rpg part of the game.
Well, we'll deal with the facts laid before the jury by the accusor and the defendant. Obviously much cannot be known, but much can be said of the circumstances, both fair and foul. People already have opinions about his guilt that they have created in their own minds without much information at all. It shouldn't be hard to come to a decision in an organized debate on the matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
I think you idea about writing the story of Publius Laevinus would be fabulous. You already have a rich backstory to work with, complete with screenshots!
Thanks econ and TinCow for the switch, appreciate it.
GH, that sounds great! I can't wait to read it, what a wonderful idea.
*edit*
Quick question. Can or should a Tribune lead a Legion or is he always an assistant to a Legate or somesuch?
In actual Roman times... he should never lead a Legion, though he can command a smaller detachment if necessary. Frankly, not even a Legate should be leading a Legion if we're playing historically. In our game Tribunes have started to regularly lead Legions simply because there aren't enough of the higher ranks around to allow us to be choosy. I think we're still very wary of allowing a Student to command a force (family members don't even gain combat traits until they become Legates, no matter how great the victory) but we've already had many Tribunes fighting battles.
I see, thanks. So if a Tribune is leading a legion, you've manually transferred over the Legion ancillary right? What happens if you don't transfer out a Legion ancillary banner, and the character becomes a Praetor. Will it disappear on its own and the Field Army one will appear or do you have to do it manually?
Much to the anxiety of your resident upstart. ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Kidding. I understand it's all in the rp, :2thumbsup:.
But then what's a good rp without a resident upstart? :laugh4:
Oh, I think what you're doing is great Lucjan. Don't get discouraged if the Senate doesn't go along with you. I almost got impeached while I was Consul!
Wonderland: Yes, we have been manually transferring the Legion banners when we change commanders. The banners don't disappear when a character advances in rank though, all that happens is that more banners get added on. If anything, we're more likely to have too many banners eventually than too few.
In my game it refused to advance Tiberius Coruncanius to Praetor without him first giving up his Legio I banner though.
:dizzy2:
That happened in our game too! Having not realized that two banners were causing an issue, Tiberius Coruncanius has still not been promoted to Praetor. Hopefully that will be resolved when we restart.
Guys,
The position of Praetor (judge) in this trial to come. I have put myself forward for this posting (mainly as I have no battles to play).
Whilst, perhaps, my current Avatar is acceptable for such a position. I’m willing to accept a different Avatar if you feel a Spy isn’t suitable.
Options for punishment?
I’d like people to have a think about what Punishments could be handed down, in-game, to a character.
My immediate thoughts are that we can do such things as:
Exile – force the character to govern a small settlement for a set number of years.
Redemption – give the character a near impossible “Senate Mission” – i.e. take a half legion and re-capture the lost Eagle and it must be done within 2 years
Stripping of Titles – i.e. the removal of the characters positive ancillaries and his gained titles (such as Tribune)
OR – any combination of the above.
Can anyone think of any others we can physically do?
Serving as a Tribune for a while would be nice.
Pilgrimage to Jerusalem? ~;p
Pilgrimage to Jerusalem seems not *suitable* in pre-christian rome as their religion does not come from there. Maybe to Troy, the legendary home of the Romans is a better choice?
Is that held by the Selucids?
...crying shame there was no city called "Baccus Waterus", could have sent him there :dizzy2:
Oh! perhaps being compulsed to visit each Academy facility in the Republic and spend 2 seasons in each.........after he's stripped of his current Ancilleries that is.
Could end up being a perfect Roman after that :idea2:
Hence my ~;p
There is of course a tiny little problem of Troy not existing on the map, since the Greeks destroyed it. The closest is Pergamon, I suppose, and that's in the hands of a massive neutral faction.
Braden: shifty's never here in the WotS, so someone else has to stand for him.
Ok, understood. I think we'll have to make an IC excuse for his non-attendance.
Illness due to wounds or just can't be found (hiding somewhere)?
I'm inclined to wait until GeneralHankerChief has written his story - also a Praetor still has to be officially elected.
I think we can gather some decent IC info about what happened, start a trial and enact a judgement that'll add value to the game as a whole.
Guys, I hate to say this, but this is starting to get dominated by lower house senators. Upper House senators like me have nothing to do.
I have collated the motions and their seconders in the first post of the Senate deliberations thread.
On the issue of First Consul - is it right that we have no candidates other than DDW and his co-consul idea? If so, we need to think about logistics. I am loathe to make co-consulships the norm because although it is historical, the problem of assigning power between two players is tricky and I don't really want to devise new rues for this possibility. The easiest way to play this might be for DDW to be the First Consul, but allow him to pass on savegames for TinCow to play out as he sees fit (ie effectively delegate his power as First Consul on an ad hoc basis). Given both are experienced and cooperative players, I think it would work in this case but as I said I am leery about making it the norm.
I think we need to hear from TinCow that he agrees to run with DDW as the latters candidature was contingent on this.
TinCow, the instructions for removing the Disinherited trait aren't working. I tried it in my current game, and it seems like it should work, doesn't give any "trait not found in database" message but the trait is still there. The other ones work fine though. Also, are those other 3 traits only for the purpose of this game? As in, will they ever be granted during the course of a regular game in any circumstances? Also, is it possible to manually give a character an ancillary? Particularly a named legion ancillary. One more thing... is it not possible to have more than one Provincial Governor at a time? I had two characters with 21 years military experience, one before the other. The first was placed in a city and became Provincial Governor as expected, but when I placed the second character in another city, his General trait disappeared but he didn't gain a governor one. Is something wrong here?
*edit*
econ, another thing we could do is Consulship could be reduced to 10 turns a piece, effectively splitting Consulship... I know it's not the best way to represent it, but considering the practical side of the game being a lot more involved now, with turns taking longer and more to report, that might be an effective way of going about it.
I agree with Econ21 - we need to confirm with TinCow that DDW's idea is ok with him and then run it as more an OOC mechanic rather than an IC "duel leadership" thing.
And...hey! I'm in the Upper house so this isn't THAT dominated by lower house members here...is it??
That's a possibility - it may be pretty much what DDW was thinking of doing anyway. It depends if the onerous nature of the First Consul position is what is deterring candidates. But I am not sure that is the problem - I suspect rather that the old timers have just had their go while the newcomers are too new or have too young avatars. However, if it is an issue for some, they are free to make the kind of joint candidature DDW proposed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wonderland
Personally, I think a 20 turn reign may be the sweet spot for RTW PBMs. It's long enough to get something done - each of our First Consuls has had time to achieve something without rushing. But not too long to be interminable (which a lifetime reign can be).
As far as the punishment issue goes, I would vote for a Re-education idea...something along the lines of his re-attending a scriptorium or academy for 4 years. And the stripping of a minor title.
I would be willing to be co-consul with DDW, playing the 2nd half of the term if TinCow can't. This week & next week just isn't good for me to play full on.
edit: actually no I wouldn't, cos then I go on lates for 3 weeks = not much RTW time. GAH!
You're welcome anyway :laugh4:
And of course, anyone else who wants to run as solo consul don't hesitate to do so. I'll probably vote for you !
So many Lower House Senators and no other candidates! We shouldn't allow this to become the norm. I think the elections and campaigning are the best part of this PBeM and I will be sorry if it simply turns into another hand-off between a few players.
I completely agree, but what can we do ? We already give the characters an increase in the hero trait if they do a term as consul., which should be enough incentive I would hope.
I worry about a two-week pause in the game. I believe momentum is the key for a succesfull PBeM.
I am for exile, which was very common, and will allow us to use this influential character in one of the troublesome Greek cities.
Off topic :
Argh, been shopping for books all evening. Suetonius or Livy ? Xenophon or Thucydides ? Ceasar or Tacitus ? I can't make up my mind with my limited budget ! Decisions, decisions...
I'd run, but just from an RP point of view my character's simply not old enough. And considering that he hasn't done anything remotely resembling Scipio, I'll have to wait a while before Marcellus is the proper age.
Tincow: isn't a Legate the leader of a Legion?
Lucjan: sounds scarily Mao-ist.
DDW: HERODOTUS!
About the traits, should the Senate award Tiberius Coruncanius Skilled Bureaucrat for filling our coffers?
I've got to go on an unexpected family visit on Wednesday (today), so I may not be around exactly at 6pm UK time to set up the polls and won't be able to do any Q&A during the day on my candidature for First Consul. Apologies.
On the polls, let's still enforce the 6pm UK deadline deadline for proposing and seconding even if I may not be here to formally post a "times up" notice. I will post the polls before the evening is out and there will still be a 24 hour period to vote in.
On the First Consul election, as TinCow said, it would be good if there was a contest: e.g. if someone else can be co-Consul with DDW or if someone else stands. But I know it's a big commitment at a time when most of us have holidays planned. I mainly decided to run on my own rather than with DDW because I think I can more reliably commit at this point than when DDW goes on holiday (my family and I may take-off sometime then too).
But the key thing for me is keeping the momentum of this PBM going. IMO, it's doing great so far; definitely the largest and most active we've had for RTW and probably exceeding the early MTW ones :2thumbsup:
PS: I've edited post #13 in the battle reports to include the table of FLYdude's battles.
Hello, I like to join this game as a Senator of the Upper House. I hope this is the right thread. If it isn't, blame Tib. for directing me here. :sweatdrop:
Since econ21 is now running, does that mean that DDW has withdrawn? I hope not, since that would mean we are still in an uncontested race.
For any who might want to run, but whose character is a bit on the young side, as far as I can tell Cornelius Saturninus is currently unassigned. He is 29 and would certainly be an acceptable candidate for Consul. This applies to Wonderland, Lucjan and GeneralHankerchief. I would also like to encourage x-Danger to run since his character is at the perfect age and position to be Consul.
We can do that via legislation. If the Senate votes for it, we can add or remove pretty much any trait from any character.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiberius
I was thinking about the Laevinus trial, and got an interesting idea. I think the best and easiest to implement punishment would be exile, but to where? I'd say it should be some distant and isolated place. Malta is probably the best of the places we currently own, but we could mount an expedition to colonize some really distant and isolated place to use for exactly these sorts of things (you know, like Australia :laugh4: ). Options?
Balearic Islands are somewhat distant and isolated, owned by Carthage.
Crimea is further distant and isolated, owned by the rebels.
But if we're feeling really adventurous, then there is always Hibernia (Ireland), owned by the rebels.
Ice - this is the correct place. Either TinCow or Econ21 will appoint you.
Flydude - I was thinking of which ever settlement was THE most underdeveloped, barbaric, underfunded, backwater we had! No access to a settlement list so what fills that critera?
When/If we decide to conduct a trial we'll put the options for punishment on a simple poll I think and just vote on it.
Welcome! :wave: Feel free to participate in the Senate deliberations and vote in the polls I'll be putting up later today. I'll assign you an avatar in due course - it should not be too long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice
Appreciate the offer I do, but I'd much rather stay with my character until the end, true rp style. Work through his young vigor, firebrand and all, up to the wisdom of old age...then let the bugger die and take the reigns as his grandson or something.
Hey folks, another game related question if I may... is there any way I can find out the full name of a character that has acquired a "Victor" or any other nickname? Perhaps in the traits file or some other text file?
Maybe..I've always had a bit of a dictatorial steak in me. I just don't see the point in a truly severe punishment. Humiliation and shame should work just dandy. Losses are to be expected, sometimes even outright defeat. The loss of an entire legion though, should bear some consequences to the loser.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiberius
Not as far as I know. The original names of our characters can be found in the senate library.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wonderland
DDW, I've just put myself forward as a co-consular candidate. When I'm on lates I can still play an hour or 2 in the morning, and given the number of battles to be fought I imagine there won't be much playing to do at each sitting.
Oh poo. I'm currently playing a campaign myself and I didn't keep a record like the wonderful Library TinCow keeps. I really love this PBEM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Death the destroyer of worlds
Old savegames ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wonderland
Mount Suribachi, that's great ! I'll be Batman and you'll be Robin ! :laugh4:
Ok, so I'm not Flydude..but still..Quote:
Originally Posted by Braden
The most worthless, undeveloped, backwater city we have is Jenuensis. It's got absolutely nothing but a governor's villa, roads, colonization and integration. Losing this city to an enemy faction would be like popping a pimple, might actually be worth getting rid of. On the other hand, exiling a governor to it could make it worth the effort we put into conquering it.
OK, I'm happy to announce that I've installed all the mods - correctly, I checked by uploading the latest save.
This means that I'm going to be able to actually play the game, that is, when I get back from a three week vacation which starts tomorrow...
This was merely a heads up, and I do look forward to finally having a more active role in this PBM - which 'll start the end of this month.
PS: I might be able to squeeze in a post or two if I can grab a computer, but I'm not really counting on it.
:balloon2:
No, just a campaign of my own. I must say, with this Roman leadership traits system and everything else, this is probably my favorite campaign in 2+ years of RTW (or however long it's been out). And the most interesting things have happened also, that usually never did in previous campaigns, such as Carthage being locked in a great struggle with Iberia, losing all of the peninsula, then storming back some years later and taking the entire thing wiping out the Iberians... whew. As well as everything else that's been going on, I love the way factions have been expanding this campaign. I can't stop playing, I'm almost into my 40th year in 3 days. Ah, good stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Death the destroyer of worlds
Another quick question, is it at all possible to add or remove ancillaries like you can with traits through the console commands?
*edit*
Oh my, I just came across this sub-mod and it looks great. Wish it was available before this PBEM. Would have been pretty interesting.
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=55919
@ Lucjan:
Jenuensis – well done, seems you’ve found the answer to that questions….assuming a hearing takes place and a judgement is called.
I’m still willing to be the Judge in this matter if the senior members/general player base think this should go through.
@ Dutch_guy:
Finally! Will be great to have you on board. With luck – three weeks time is about the length of time it’ll take ME to get everything installed and working. Of course, then it’ll be a matter of waiting for a Lower House avatar to become available.
About candelaria mod :
Yes, it's quite good, but it does not fit in well with RTR 1.5. It's also still in a BETA stage last time I checked.
No it's actually currently version 2.1, for RTRPE 1.6 and 2.2 for PE 1.7 is currently testing. Should definately be something to check out for personal use along with the guide and everything else in that post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Death the destroyer of worlds
Thank you.:bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
Quite ironic the fact my character has the "avatar of the Gods" trait line - atm I'm reading Cromwell: Our Chief of Men by Antonia Fraser. As some of you may know Cromwell was a big believer in Providentialism, so its providing some interesting insight into believing yourself to be an agent of Gods will on Earth. I might also slip a few quotes in here and there ~;)
I'm also slighty nervous about dscovering a Priest of Bacchus in my retinue, I fear my character is on a slippery slope.....
Simon.. I believe the motion I proposed:
"Every rivalry faction is to be appointed a legion to fight it" (Something in that range) has got 2 seconders..
There was some confusion over the motion numbers - there were two 9.16s and the proposer of the other motion said that two of the seconders of 9.16 were for his motion, not yours. In the end, neither motion got two seconders (DDW pulled out from the rephrased other motion). You can propose the motion again in the mid-term if you like.Quote:
Originally Posted by x-dANGEr
I'm all in favor of Braden presiding over the trial, but we need to get this thing moving if we're going to do it. I know people wanted an election to determine the Praetor, but he's the only one who has expressed interest in it so far. I think the trial should start at the same time as next Consulship, so it would be good to resolve this now. We also need someone to step forward to make the formal complaint and to speak as the prosecutor during the trial.
Should we just create this system here in the OOC thread or should I propose a constitutional amendment to implement a judicial process into the game? I'm not sure that's strictly required since we're not changing game rules... we're adding something that we never contemplated in the beginning. However if it's easier, we can do it.
I still think it's best if the standing Consul appoints the Praetor and if the Praetor determines the punishment if conviction occurs. Both of these aspects will speed up the process (otherwise we'll need three votes for each trial, Praetor, verdict, sentence), add another aspect to the Consular elections for people to consider, and allow the Consul another way to 'reward' his supporters.
I'm happy to see the trial procedures sorted out in this thread. I think it would be good if you could continue to take the lead on this, TinCow, and make the arrangements for your preferred system. Treat silence as consent and do what you think best unless the other players start screaming.
Just been preemptively planning my campaign (should I win) and we have just 5 available lower house members. Rather tricky to defend such a massive frontline with that.
Wonderland (Galerius Vatiunius - 16) and Lucjan (Servius Aemilius - 16) are too young to command and should be studying, and the same goes for econ21 (Numerius Aureolus - 18) and GeneralHankerchief (Marcellus Aemilius - 19) as well.
Might have to break the rules a bit here and there to make ends meet.
I think this will be best :
FLYdude and Mount Suribachi wipe out the Macedonians together and guard the eastern border (Bylazora, Philipii and Ratiaria) followed perhaps by a raid on Thrace. This leaves the Macedonians with one city, Debeltos at the Black Sea, but to get to that we would have to cross Ptolemaic territory.
x-Danger wipes out Macedonia in the southeast (Chalkida), perhaps wipes out the Greeks on Crete (Kydonia).
DDW defends the northern border (Segestica, Aquileia and Patavium) with the help of FLYdude and Mount Suribachi and TinCow while he's passing trough to the west.
TinCow wipes out the Illyrians (Salona) and moves on to the west, perhaps knocking a few Thracian heads together and capturing that isolated Macedonian town (Delmatia).
Wonderland and Lucjan can take over 'homeland security', leading the local garrisons against rebels, while studying in Rome and Syracuse respectively.
econ21 can take care of homeland security in Greece when he finishes his studies in Athens.
GeneralHankerchief can wipe out that rebellion next to Rome and march reinforcements to the Legio III and take command untill TinCow arrives.
This does leave a nasty gap in our defences near Mediolaneum. The east is also tricky to guard, but FLYdude and Mount Suribachi together should be able to cover the border from Delmatia to Philipii, when econ21 becomes a tribune.
We could use several more lower house generals :sweatdrop:
Question : How exactly do I promote a legate with 20 years military service to a Praetor <question mark>. Do you get a trait or just the field army banner <question mark> Do you need to remove all previous banners, i.e. Legion banners <question mark>
TinCow, I agree with your ideas.
Tiberius, which book by Herodotus did you have in mind <question mark>
DDW why do you want to send me to school? ~:pissed: I'm already a tribune and have fought two battles competently enough, becoming a popular hero. Purebred offspring are students at age 16 and can't pick up field experience until they are 20, so it makes sense to keep them in an academy. But that does not apply to adoptees. Poor adoptees like myself didn't get the fancy edumacashun of you patricians. We left school at 12 or thereabouts and mucked in on campaign, learning in the school of hard knocks. It's like what people say about us Yorkshiremen; Yorkshire born and Yorkshire bred - strong in the back and thick in the 'ead.
Compelling argument, into the fray it is. An tribune adoptee under 20 <question mark> This 4TPY 1.9.2. mod is wierd. I wonder if 1.9.3 works better. You are desperately needed at the border anyway.
mutters : No manners, those plebs :laugh4:
Must... Kill... Gauls!
Must... protect innocent Gauls!Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Or maybe we can compromise. How about, you can kill the men, half of the children, and the ugly women, but have to leave the rest alone? Seems fair. :laugh4:
As far as the trial goes, I'm fine with the Consul picking a Prateor. We already have a defense, so we just need someone to volunteer to be the prosecutor, and we'd be ready to start. The only vote I think we should perhaps maybe have is a guilty/not during a regular voting session (mid- or end-term), and in the case the verdict is guilty, the Praetor would decide on a punishment himself.
Hey I like that idea. *Gladly accepts the tital of Homeland Security Captain and Rome Garrison Commander, General Servius*
It is legitimately somewhat pointless for characters with the Student trait to fight, since they cannot gain any combat traits. econ21 is an exception to the youth combat rule simply because he is not a Student. That said, killing rebels is perfectly acceptable... just don't go risking your neck because you can't benefit from it anyway.
Doesn't going into the field make a Discipulus advance to become a Tribunus Militum?
EDIT: Wow, this is unsettling. When TinCow mentioned it, I noticed that in my campaign, the same pair of portraits (his and MS's) were Legate and Tribune in my campaign.
I don't think they instantly become Tribunes, but I am certainly wrong in what I said. I just read the trait FAQ in the Library again.
So, you can get combat traits, but not command bonuses.Quote:
Student (Discipulus)
- A character who is acquired via the "Coming of Age" event, being only 16 years old, will begin his formal education and personal combat training as a Student. After spending 4 years as a student, he will be eligible to enter military service as a Tribune.
- During his 4 years of formal education and personal combat training, to make the best use of this time, a character should travel to Roma, or the nearest city, and take up residence until he is 20 years old. A city with a Scriptorium, or higher level of eductional building, would be an ideal residence for a Student, so he can take advantage of the increased chances of acquiring useful character traits and ancillaries.
- An alternative, would be to accompany an older relative who is currently serving in the Roman Army. He will not benefit from any increased command bonuses, but may gain military skills, though he will have a higher chance of acquiring the less savory traits of military life. His best choice would be formal schooling in the nearest city.
- In extreme circumstances, he can still lead military forces, but due to his lack of experience, he will not gain any command bonuses.
I have a feeling my next character will have something like the 'Terrified by Barbarians' trait. That would be amusing. I would actually kind of like to play a 'hooting' or somewhat similarly colorful character. The 'Drunken' or 'Foul Mouthed' line would be interesting as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by FLYdude
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Originally Posted by econ21
Or as my dad likes to say "you can always tell a yorkie but you can't tell him much" :laugh4: :laugh4:
Regarding the trial, I assume we will have a separate thread for that once it starts? Do the jurors get to discuss the case? Or is just a case of hearing the prosecution and the defense and then voting guilty/not guilty?
Happy to be Judge in the Trial. To be honest I'm happy for us to just RP the initial proceedings (pleas from both camps) and then I can open a poll for voting on Guilt.
By that time I'll think of several options to put to the Senate - not just "Guilty" or "Innocent" which implicate certain levels of guilt.
Yup! He'll have a fair trial and once we've found him guilty I'll hand down an appropriate judgement based on the LEVEL of guilt the Senate says he has. :laugh4:
Could be anything from the loss of some ancilleries and thus loss of some "influence" for being "not really to blame but he was there and officially in charge so we have to blame someone" right upto the stripping of titles, banishment to our (now chosen) backwater province as well as a Pennance trip via several Academies for "you cowardly swine you RAN and left your men to die in the mud at the ford".
Obviously with several options between.
Currently there is a Vote on a Motion for an investigation. After this has been Passed (if it gets passed) I'll set this all up on a seperate thread. Initially a Trial Thread to which I think we should carry for a few days and then a Voting thread with the Poll on it.
I think that the best way on this is to make sure we have a Verdict before the Mid-Term session so that the Consul has a chance to start the punishment in-game.
Comments Please!
In Other News: My PC now works! Whilst I havent tried a game in it, everything else appears to be functioning so I'm on my way to becoming a lower house member - will try to do all the downloads at the weekend. :2thumbsup:
Good ideas on the trial, Braden. :2thumbsup: I'm wondering if it would be possible to coordinate a real time at which to conduct some sessions of the trial? So those involved could gather together and alternately post in a concentrated manner? Or even do the Q&A in a chat room? If that's too hard, the judge might be able to solicit initial representations by PM and then post them in an organised fashion, so remaining cross examination can be more leisurely and forensic.
BTW, am I right in thinking that Manius the Mad was present at the battle of Massilia? Wouldn't he be a wonderful witness to have on the stand? In fact, he might have had more than a little to do with the debacle... Destroyer of Hope is not active, but maybe someone would like to take on his part in the trial?
Let me know about the Lower House switch. I'm holding on to one avatar for just such an occasion.
That's excellent news. We need all the lower house senators we can get. There is still an avatar available according to the library.Quote:
Originally Posted by Braden
I wish you luck as judge in the upcoming trial. I am undecided which way my character will lean. Publius did save the life of my son Manius during the battle, so I'll probably end up as a witness for the defense. Now all we need is a nasty prosecutor :laugh4:
Econ21 – I don’t think that a “real time” get together is possible considering the differing time-zones the players occupy, but I’m willing to receive “solicitations” by the Senators via PM (note to self – empty in-box) and collate them in a summary fashion.
Having said that, our Senate Deliberations thread is quite coherent despite all the potential problems involved in getting a cohesive discussion going given the OOC problems involved. So, I have hopes that the normal discussion thread will be ok but I’ll go with whatever the majority feels is fairer to them.
…Oh….Manius the Mad as a witness! How am I drooling over that one, if no one else wants to RP him I’m more than happy to take THAT on! (trust me the account will be unbias, concise and UTTERLY raving – :dizzy2: – think of Terry Gillian as the Sooth Sayer in Life of Brian).
Plans for Becoming a lower house member:
Need to download all the mods.
Get them to work on a save game.
Play a little bit so I know how the mechanics of the game work
Its been a few months since I’ve played Rome in any form so I need some practice!
I have next week off work so will try and get all that out the way then…..
You and I both Lucius, Manius the mad may well be your son, but I have the wonderful luxury of being HIS son...
So it looks like grandpa and grandson are going to have to put their heads together to try to pull the black sheep of the family out of some deep s***.
Lucjan, respect your elders! Need I remind you that you share half his genes? ~;p :laugh4:
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Originally Posted by TinCow
Excuse me? Legitimately pointless?
Fighting battles is fun, whether I get any trait or anciliarial benefit or not, it's the fact that I got to fight. I don't think that's pointless. :inquisitive:
This is true, but luckily I managed to score the "Not like his father" trait. So hopefully I don't need to worry about my father's madness creeping into my behavior. :dizzy2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiberius
You're denying some other bloke a chance to increase star and wreath count though, which is probably what TinCow's on about.
Everybody is open to voicing their opinion, thats the point of the game and the point of the senate system. If someone else thinks they're more qualified they can speak up. I don't see why the issue is apparently causing such a problem. It's a game, just play and have fun. I'm in a position right now where for the next 4 game years I'll be sitting around doing not a whole heck of alot of anything incredibly productive as a student in Rome. But I'm still putting my voice out there on issues you guys are raising.
You wouldn't be denying anyone anything by being in command of an army as a student. We do not have a surplus of lower house generals. If anything, we have somewhat of a severe shortage.
That said, in-character, being a highly ranked member of the army, students will command troops over my dead body! :laugh4:
Lucjan,
With all the troops away and me squeezing the population for taxes, the chance of a decent legion-sized rebellion (or two or three) will be quite high. With no other lower house members around they are practically in your pocket. The same goes for Wonderland. If you are really fortunate, the Carthagians will pull of a naval invasion in Italy or Sicily :laugh4:
GeneralHankerchief has first shot at the rebels near Rome, but surely you will not begrudge him just 81 rebels ?
EDIT : By the way, any toughts on the trial ? Same goes for all the Aemilia.
From what TinCow was saying, the procedure should begin with you appointing the Praetor. Here, I think it partly depends on how involved you personally want to be during the trial. If you do want to be hands on, I am wondering if the most suitable role for the First Consul would be as the judge; that would free up Braden for another role. Aternatively, if you want to get on with playing the game, it might be best to delegate that role to someone else - Braden being the one volunteer we have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Death the destroyer of worlds
The judge can open a thread devoted to it and collect together material from the prosecution, defence and witnesses as he sees fit. TinCow might help advise on procedure. IIRC, we need a prosecutor - would the co-Consul be available? Or do we have any other volunteers - eg who spoke against Laevinus in the Senate? Any volunteers to act out the part of Manius the mad?
Oh I have no doubt that I'll be seeing my fair share of the gameplay, I've seen the save game file, I know how short handed we are. It just seems that some people are getting a little worked up over it, and I don't understand why...
Whatever, live and let live, unless you're a gaul, then we'll have to kill you.