King of the Romans OOC thread IX

My opinion on the Kaiser succession is just to let it play out IC. If the end result is that the title Kaiser is bestowed on someone other than the in-game Kaiser, we can just mentally (and, in the Library, via Photoshop) transfer all 'Kaiser' related traits from the OOC Kaiser to the IC Kaiser. The same with the Prince. That's relatively easy and doesn't involve hacking the game at all. Again, that would only be required if the Kaiser actually does change. I would hate to stifle the way it has developed IC just to avoid some extra cutting and pasting.

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Originally Posted by econ21

I've posted a provisional ruling on the rules disputes in the Diet.

On the succession, I started the CA 11.1 poll without thinking of Edict 11.9, but I think it works out ok. We resolve the poll/Council issue following CA 11.1, then the Dukes say if they are all happy as per Edict 11.9. If they are not, we have a Diet vote.

On the King of Outremer, I suspect the strict literal ruling is the one our resident lawyer TC gave - the King has 6 votes. However, it seems just the kind of ambiguous issue that the Charter allows the Kaiser to decide, so I think we just let him do that.

One point about the succession issue - the current dispute is fitting IC, but the big OOC constraint has always been that we can't transfer the faction leader or faction heir trait in a simple way (I think FH established we could use the consol to give the faction heir trait, but the original faction heir would have to die for our pick to inherit). If we had been able to transfer these traits from the get-go, we would not have a Chancellor, we would have an elected Kaiser, which is what the historical HRE had.

But given that we can't readily control who has the faction heir trait, the Charter envisaged the Kaiser role being rather apolitical and somewhat akin to the Senate speaker in WotS or a gamesmaster. GH moved the role on somewhat from that, but regardless, I think the fact that the selection of faction leader is rather out of our control could be regarded as a virtue. It means the Kaiser has some independence from the Diet. If we had a Kaiser who was just not doing the OOC job, then I would not be averse to some shenanigans to depose him. But otherwise, I would rather we just roll with whatever punches the game throws at us.

We could just ignore the computer's faction leader and faction heir traits like we did in WotS. But personally I think that is rather ugly and avoiding that ugliness why we dreamed up the role of Kaiser as umpire/gamesmaster in the first place. This issue is relevant to the current dispute if it is decided Siegfried is not Kaiser; and also to CA 11.2 if the player controlling the Kaiser chooses a different Prinz to who the game designates as the faction heir.

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Pretty much the same as Arnold did in the Diet...good summary Econ.

I agree with everything you have laid out here.

I too don't want to screw around with the Kaiser/Prinz mechanism.

As for TC's comments about the succession then I also agree. We can play this out.

The succession issue has a linear path set out before us so there will be a conclusion by the end of the week.

In fact I am seeing some type of logical path to it if people are prepared to be a bit flexible.

1/4 is already voted on by the Dukes and Hans in CA 11.1. Therefore we now go to the Ducal vote, which could be the Ducal section in CA 11.7, if people want it. I'm pretty sure we can get a clear vote of 3 of 4 in favour of one particular candidate. This would mean there is no need for a Kaiser to intervene and no need for another "All in" vote on the matter again.

Any objections to a creation of a "Deliberation of the Dukes" thread?

not from here, no

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Any objections to a creation of a "Deliberation of the Dukes" thread?

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Just to be contrary, I will object. I have no idea why. It just seems like the thing to do. I will arbitrarily decide that "Deliberation of the Dukes" threads can only be created on the 3rd sunday that falls on a full moon in the year of the monkey. :clown:

I'd like to propose that the Dukes be given their own house on the grounds that they will soon have a thread.

OverKnight wakes up and has some coffee. He reads the threads and decides to "Irish up" his caffeine.

We've still got about 30 hours to go on both battles. If econ21 (as Siegfried) and gibsonsg91921 can fight those battles and get them back to me by 1200 GMT Tuesday, that's cool.

I would like Avatars, when possible, to fight their own battles. However as long as we have a clearly designated second, that's good too. So gibson, if you can't fight it in time, which one person is your alternate? I don't mean to be persnickety, but if the battle ends up a disaster or involves an avatar death, I want a clear line of permission and responsibility.

Now as for CA 11.7. I wrote the damn thing, and my intent was to avoid a situation where the Emperor used his "umpire" power to his own advantage, for example when Heinrich ruled that Prinz Henry couldn't call an Emergency Session when the Kaiser was present in the Diet during the "Second Investiture Crisis". It was not meant to be used in the current succession debate because more specific legislation pertaining to that issue had been passed. I apologize for any confusion.

Of course I realize that once Legislation is passed, it is free to be interpreted independent of the proposer's intent. I just thought I'd muddle the water even further. :laugh4:

Oh well Matthias will be happy to rule with one less check on his power. :evilgrin: I'd suggest you resolve this issue quickly.

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Originally Posted by FLYdude

I'd like to propose that the Dukes be given their own house on the grounds that they will soon have a thread.

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Yes, and they should lock themselves in this house and never come back out.

:laugh4:

Wolfgang would like to return to Swabia, OverKnight, as it's getting too crowded in the east.

Sorry for not voting on the polls, I have been extremely busy the last few days, and it is nearly impossible to adequately follow Diet or OOC proceedings in a short space of time.

Okay Ignoramus, I'll see what I can do about transport once I get the save back.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Any objections to a creation of a "Deliberation of the Dukes" thread?

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No, go ahead. I make it that those voting for the Council have 21 votes out of the 83 total in the game, so there is a 1/4 vote for the Council.

EDIT: this will be constituted under CA 11.1, so will include Salier. I don't see CA 11.7 coming into play with the succession - I don't there is a dispute over the rules with the succession; it is more political.

Ok so we can get away from CA 11.7 then.

Just a question then...is Dutch Guy in or out for this?

Is Stig taking his place I mean?

Dutch_guy voted, so I assume he is around and can join in. He could send Stig in his stead if he is busy, but otherwise I would reserve a seat for him.

Thanks econ.

Playing out the dispute and the results ICly is what the game is about.
About traits etc, if Hans becomes emperor, I will release the next version asap which will have an automated system for emperor/prince mechanics which does not require any intervention by the chancellor until the emperor/prince dies.

The only change that would need to be made with immediate effect then is relocating the Factionleader and Factionheir traits and giving the old ones the Exheir trait (need something to base the automated system on, and that fits)

I may not be online in the next 24 hours depending on access in other areas, so just letting you know if my replies are rather slow and incomplete then.
Will also post the stories soon, which I have outlined already in my box. Just need to flesh it out with flair, this might actually end up being posted after all the voting.

@#$%^&!!!ing good battle report, GH. :2thumbsup: It was like I was there with you.

I've fought Siegfried's battle:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1260-3.zip

It was 2:1 odds and like light relief after fighting the Mongols:

https://img258.imageshack.us/img258/...gfried0sq2.jpg

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Originally Posted by econ21

@#$%^&!!!ing good battle report, GH. :2thumbsup: It was like I was there with you.

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Well said.

GH you are certainly becoming very good at these reports.

I love it when you are in a battle.

Wow, econ, you really murdered them. What kind of troops do they have anyway? Numerically they look to be on par, are they mostly militia foots without any archers?

From my recollection they were mostly militia, siege engines and poor quality crossbowmen with no cav.

Either way, that was a total pounding even for us!!

OK have you trashed any of those rebels with Arnold?

Did he get any more goodies to play with, stats, retinue?

The save is currently out to gibson as Peter faces off against the Poles. Once I get it back, I'll crush those rebels for you. I'll even have them Death-Wheeled for your dreadness. :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by econ21

Dutch_guy voted, so I assume he is around and can join in. He could send Stig in his stead if he is busy, but otherwise I would reserve a seat for him.

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Officially Ansehelm is still Steward. DG said he would post in the Diet when Gunther officially comes back. afaik Ansehelm should still be the person for the council.

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Originally Posted by econ21

No, go ahead. I make it that those voting for the Council have 21 votes out of the 83 total in the game, so there is a 1/4 vote for the Council.

EDIT: this will be constituted under CA 11.1, so will include Salier. I don't see CA 11.7 coming into play with the succession - I don't there is a dispute over the rules with the succession; it is more political.

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83? What am I missing? I can only come up with 80. We started at 80 last election. Then Crusaders/King lose 5 because of CA 11.4. But Dukes gain 4 because of same CA. Matthias gains one for being Chancellor. Totals stays exactly the same at 80. And my spreadsheet is just a cut/paste of Econ's table on the chancellor report thread. And my totals are summed up by the spreadsheet itself because I do not trust my math. :book:


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And stig, as far as I know, Steward is just an in game title for fun. It is not official unless there is no Duke. Not just if there is no Duke around the board. So, as far as I know this Duke council should be the 4 Dukes unless they say publicly in the Diet that they are sending their seconds. I am getting kinda nervous IC and OOC that there is only one actual Duke on this council. If people sit in for Dukes, without it being clear on if they are an official second, then the results of that council will be questionable and CA 11.1 will just get invoked all over again.

I guess my preferred alternate is Stig, cuz hes fought so many for me.

Both myself and Arnold sre on the council, which makes 2 dukes at least.

Yeah, I was in error both OOC and IC about what I read. Jan has publically amended his statement in the Diet. Hey mistakes happen but they tend to make the RP'ing more fun! :2thumbsup:

rumors and untruths are part of politics. its just that this one was by accident. :laugh4:


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Has anyone else noticed that Lothar has not voted in the succession dispute poll? Neither has Duke Gunther but he hasn't been around much.

Interesting....

*insert dramatic mystery music here*

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

83? What am I missing? I can only come up with 80.

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You are right. I included the influence of 3 spare avatars by mistake.

Yeah I was wondering if you did that. If you included them it would be +6 voting power and not +3 anyways. They have one elector vote and one stat vote. Thanks for clearing that up. :book:

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Originally Posted by gibsonsg91921

I guess my preferred alternate is Stig, cuz hes fought so many for me.

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Gah, I just decided to stop playing for today ... anyone else to fight the battle for ya?

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Originally Posted by PK

And stig, as far as I know, Steward is just an in game title for fun.

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Not in this case, as the Steward can do anything a Duke can, except for one or two minor things (calling Ducal Edicts for example).

Yeah but you don't get the influence. The title Steward was only meant for the early game portion when there were no Dukes for two houses. These days its just a formality unless the person playing a duke is not going to be around for awhile.

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Yeah but you don't get the influence. The title Steward was only meant for the early game portion when there were no Dukes for two houses. These days its just a formality unless the person playing a duke is not going to be around for awhile.

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Which is the case, DG is leaving for a couple of more days again.

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Originally Posted by DG

Gezien ik komende woensdag het land nog langer verlaat, lijkt het me het beste jou de leiding te laten behouden. Ook met het oog op mijn avatar's naderende dood.

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Originally Posted by Babelfish, because I can't be arsed to translate myself, and because it's funny

Given I coming Wednesday still longer, seems it leaves the country me the bests you the control preserve to let.

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Yeah but I guess my point is that leaves Ansehelm as more of a "designated second". So steward with the little s and not Steward with the big S. From what econ made clear, you can not be "Steward" unless there is no Duke at all. A "designated second" is more of a steward who makes decisions and speaks for the Duke but has none of the Ducal powers.

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Originally Posted by Me

Gezien ik komende woensdag het land nog langer verlaat, lijkt het me het beste jou de leiding te laten behouden. Ook met het oog op mijn avatar's naderende dood.

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Originally Posted by Translation

Since I'll be leaving the country, and this game, for three weeks as of coming Wednesday, I deem it best to let you stay in charge [..as Steward, Duke in my stead]. My avatar's nearing death is also taken into consideration

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Thought I'd do it myself as babelfish is so...crappy.

:balloon2:

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Stewards

Stewards are Electors who are temporarily acting as Dukes. KOTR originally started with two Stewards, but for the most part, the title of Steward is a temporary one bestowed on a House Elector for a short time when a Duke is unavailable to fulfill his duties. In reality, this happens when a player who is a Duke is going on vacation or is otherwise going to be out-of-touch with the game for a short period of time.

Stewards have all of the powers of Dukes for the duration of their term, except that they cannot name an heir.

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{I have to type something as otherwise I won't be able to post}\

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Thought I'd do it myself as babelfish is so...crappy.

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I prefered Babelfish, was funnier ~D

Well, that clears that up. Still leaves the question of Count Hans stewardship unclear though. :yes:

haha stig if u cant thats cool. since i have until 6 AM CST tues then thats plenty of time.

in the future, stig can be my alternate if i need one, or anyone else really. i dont care as long as i dont die haha

Well, OK says he would wish there to be "designated alternates" so a clear line of responsibility and permission can be established. Especially concerning things like avatar death.

Just to let everybody know, the Dukes have decided to discuss the succession issue privately.

I would please like to sign up for... errr... something. It appears that I have come back to internet stability in time for some rapidly changing circumstances around here.

So, someone tell me where I can fit in?

u can go to the first page of Chancellor's and Governor's Reports to see unassigned avatars and the Imperial Library to see their stats. theres a few franconians and a swabian available i think

Tamur!!! :cheerleader:

Best thing to do is to read the History of the HRE thread (in stickies and my sig) and then the Chancellor's Reports to see which avatars are available.

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Originally Posted by Tamur

I would please like to sign up for... errr... something. It appears that I have come back to internet stability in time for some rapidly changing circumstances around here.

So, someone tell me where I can fit in?

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w00! :2thumbsup:

Thanks gibson & GH (edit: and TinCow!), great to be back after... months. Good heavens that was a long spell of non-PBM-ness.

I'll take a look at the pages you mentioned. And definitely, my hat's off to OverKnight, phenomenal job of keeping things organised with the history. It was wonderful to pop onto the internet as I travelled and catch up with just the few moments I had.

Will post up later when I've had a chance to digest names & events a bit.

Welcome!

Right now there is one Swabian in Outremer, one Franconian in Outremer, 2 Franconians around Thorn, and one old Franconian in Rome.

Welcome Tamur !

Hope you'll make the right choice and join the house of Franconia :beam:

:balloon2:

Well, unless he picks the younger Hummel brother, he has little choice. :laugh4:

The Library has reasonably up-to-date shots of all the avatars, including unassigned ones, if that helps.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Just to let everybody know, the Dukes have decided to discuss the succession issue privately.

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I just thought of something. Are we at least going to make public, who sat on the council? Could be important for whether the council was "fair and impartial".

Well, after doing a bit of reading I wonder if Fritz von Kastilien would be take-able? I did enough reading just now that I've got a good feel for who he should be. But I know there's a bit of a player bubble already in Franconia, so if there are problems with this, no trouble.

Do the other houses need some instruction in the birds and the bees? Or are they simply shy of their spouses?

(oh dear I probably should not start off this way!)

edit: and thanks TinCow for pointing me to the library, it's a big help to see the traits.

Fritz is still open, and don't worry, you can say anything you want in this thread.
Well unluckely not anything, but hey.




Welcome btw

Alright, I have been trying to keep this straight in my head so I'll just pour out my ideas onto here and people can tell me if I missed something or got something wrong.

Sometime soon/now the Dukes/King/designated alternates are going to meet according to the poll in CA 11.1. If this results in a new Kaiser then;

I assume CA 11.2 immediatly activates and the new Kaiser picks a new heir/same heir. (I have a theory as to who it will be but we'll see)

I assume CA 11.6 immediatly activates and the new Kasier picks a new King/same King. Then the King picks new or same Crusader Counts.

Influence will then be calculated accordingly.

If even one character believes that there is a "large dispute" in how this new Kaiser became Kaiser, then I assume CA 11.1 activates and the Diet Speaker immediatly puts up a new poll asking if 1/4 of the voting power wants another Duke Council.

If the old Kaiser disputes this current Duke Council's rulings, then I assume he can activate CA 11.7 and he will meet with the four Dukes/their alternates and vote on the matter.

If even one Duke disagrees with who is Kaiser after all of this, he will activate Edict 11.9 and it will be put to a public vote.

How am I doing on this so far? :book:

yeah, fritz is cool.

better not usurp peter's power since fritz is his older brother...

lol jk

What's that I see on the trait list betwixt "Terribly Scarred" and "Religious"... I think I see it there in the pixels.

Incredibly Envious of Péter

Hmm.

:beam: Just kidding! Fritz will be nice. Well, mostly.

Welcome Tamur! Fritz is already knighted, so he can get stuck in some battles already. There are always fights around Thorn.

Speaking of which, as I understand it, there is a battle which needs fighting in Franconia right now. Gibson should do it, but apparently can't. His normal alternate, Stig has stopped playing for the day. So, Tamur, would you like to jump head first into the PBM and fight Gibson's battle for him?

Save is here:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1260-3.zip

Orders for Peter are here:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=424

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Sometime soon/now the Dukes/King/designated alternates are going to meet according to the poll in CA 11.1. If this results in a new Kaiser then;

I assume CA 11.2 immediatly activates and the new Kaiser picks a new heir/same heir. (I have a theory as to who it will be but we'll see)

I assume CA 11.6 immediatly activates and the new Kasier picks a new King/same King. Then the King picks new or same Crusader Counts.

Influence will then be calculated accordingly.

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I agree with the above.

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If even one character believes that there is a "large dispute" in how this new Kaiser became Kaiser, then I assume CA 11.1 activates and the Diet Speaker immediatly puts up a new poll asking if 1/4 of the voting power wants another Duke Council.

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I think that would be pointless - all that would happen would be that the same Council would meet to look again at the same issue they have just decided. And I don't think one character on their own can create a "large dispute"; they would need to take some other's with them or they are just shouting in the wind. In this case, I think I would require 1/4 of the electoral power to shout out in the Diet. I would not be keen to create a pointless poll.

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If the old Kaiser disputes this current Duke Council's rulings, then I assume he can activate CA 11.7 and he will meet with the four Dukes/their alternates and vote on the matter.

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As I said to AG, I am not seeing a rules dispute in this succession crisis so I don't see a role for CA11.7. We have clear rules to deal with the succession - notably CA11.1 and Edict 11.9 - and we are following them.

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If even one Duke disagrees with who is Kaiser after all of this, he will activate Edict 11.9 and it will be put to a public vote.

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I think this comes into play immediately after the Council makes its decision - if their decision is not unaminous, it goes to a Diet vote.

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How am I doing on this so far?

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I think you may be over-analysing - I'd prefer to worry about it if it happens. But I admit it is interesting to speculate. And hard to avoid given that the Council is meeting in secret.

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Originally Posted by econ21

I think that would be pointless - all that would happen would be that the same Council would meet to look again at the same issue they have just decided. And I don't think one character on their own can create a "large dispute"; they would need to take some other's with them or they are just shouting in the wind. In this case, I think I would require 1/4 of the electoral power to shout out in the Diet. I would not be keen to create a pointless poll.

As I said to AG, I am not seeing a rules dispute in this succession crisis so I don't see a role for CA11.7. We have clear rules to deal with the succession - notably CA11.1 and Edict 11.9 - and we are following them.

I think this comes into play immediately after the Council makes its decision - if their decision is not unaminous, it goes to a Diet vote.

I think you may be over-analysing - I'd prefer to worry about it if it happens. But I admit it is interesting to speculate. And hard to avoid given that the Council is meeting in secret.

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Well, overanalyzing tends to be what I'm good at. :beam:

Plus, I am planning Jan's possible legal moves depending on what the news is. If Jan finds out that Hans sat in as the Swabian Duke/alternate, he is going to request CA 11.1 be activated on the grounds that the conflict of interest is a "large dispute". Invoking CA 11.1 in this case would be important because, if Hans is Kaiser, he then can not sit in on the second CA 11.1 Duke Council. If people argue IC that one character can not invoke CA 11.1 by himself, then Jan is going to claim that what constitutes a "large dispute" in CA 11.1 is a "rules dispute" so it will go before the Kaiser. Since this rule has to do with the Kaiser, then CA 11.7 will be invoked and the Kaiser and 4 Dukes will meet to consider what a "large dispute" in CA 11.1 means. What happens at that ruling will then influence what Jan's next legal move, if any, will be. :book:

OOC I am absolutly loving the succession dispute. IC however, Jan is horrified that what looks to be a possible coup is taking place by semi-legal means. Coups IC are cool, but you can't expect everyone to just sit by quietly. Jan took an oath to Kaiser Siegfried and that oath stands until the Kaiser dies or steps down. This convuluted legal mumbo-jumbo is the best way I can think of to RP this loyalty IC. I must say, you guys sure provide a fun way for a grad-student to avoid working on his historiographical essays! :yes:

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If Jan finds out that Hans sat in as the Swabian Duke/alternate, ...

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The Council may be meeting in private, but I think the membership of the Council should be public knowledge. I'll have Elberhard to ask for it in the Diet.

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The Council may be meeting in private, but I think the membership of the Council should be public knowledge. I'll have Elberhard to ask for it in the Diet.

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I'd appreciate that. I have been wondering who is in it and no one has been able/willing to give me a straight IC or OOC answer about the makeup of the whole Duke Council. I think I know who 4 of the members are but I can't find out who the Swabian delegate is. :no:

i can fight my battle tonite i said, i just wasnt sure yesterday.

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Originally Posted by gibsonsg91921

i can fight my battle tonite i said, i just wasnt sure yesterday.

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Excellent! I think your battle is all Overknight needs to end the turn. Good hunting!

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i can fight my battle tonite i said, i just wasnt sure yesterday.

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Wonderful news. I still haven't quite dealt with all the boxes here, but tomorrow I'll be ready.

Best of luck Péter! We will expect to hear the kielbasa sizzling over your fires rather than the enemy's tomorrow night.

I'm off to work in an hour, so gibsonsg91921 doesn't have to rush, just get the save back in the barn by 1200 GMT Tuesday. If my time zone math is decent, that should be plenty of time.

There's a few pieces of book keeping, some building with the small amount of florins left to me and I have to fight AG's battle, and off to 1162 we will go. I'll probably post another battle queue before going into another report.

Wow another "mod" joins the game!!

Welcome Tamur. I believe we are collecting some serious skills here in the game.

Council members have been disclosed.

o definitely lol thanks all

i fought it - heres the end SS:

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Good job gibson91921. Do you happen to know what were the odds going into the battle?

If not I can check myself.

Our "Dark Lord" demands statistics, and statistics he shall have.

Once I get back from work I will continue 1160 and proceed with 1162 and post a battle queue.

Why can't we have a "light lord"? Why does it always have to be a dark lord?

nah i forgot to check. it was not a hard one, tho

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Why can't we have a "light lord"? Why does it always have to be a dark lord?

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Dread is teh kool, Chivalry isn't ~D

I guess that is a matter of opinion. :beam:


And the answer I thought of to my question was:

Dark Helmet: "So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb."

:laugh4:

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Why can't we have a "light lord"? Why does it always have to be a dark lord?

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Dark Lords don't show dirt and stains as much.

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Dark Lords don't show dirt and stains as much.

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But they do show sock fuzzies.

edit: say that five times fast!

Welcome Tamur.

I just managed to finish reading the OOC thread.
Looks like it will be private, but how do I present my evidence and my (living) witnesses then?

Also, I am not sure I will be having internet for the next 28 hours again, but I will try my best!
Please take the stuff slow as it takes a lot of time to post everything and organize it in travelling.

Thanks

Hans can't bring evidence for the Ducal council. Wolfgang is to do that if he decides to vote for Hans.


Next to that, where is Hans going to get witnesses? He will have to make them up, while Warluster had Dieter in Jobst's stories for quite some time.

I think I need to be clear here guy's,

The council is not waiting on anyone to present evidence in a formalised manner. This is not being run like a court. We have decisions to make and that is all that is being discussed.

Decisions are being made already and as soon as the final votes are cast there will be an announcement.

If there is anything to present do it now. The only time line is when all votes are collected and that has started.

Hans can present but publicly and Wolfgang is the voter for Swabia.

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Wolfgang is the voter for Swabia.

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Oh the irony...


:laugh4:

I was wondering what would become of the Hummel character after the "la-revolution". Looks like he landed on his feet. :2thumbsup:

Well he gets a vote and then his moment of glory is done.

Call it 15 minutes of fame for the imfamous :balloon2:

Battle Queue 1262

We've got 5 battles lined up. First come first serve. Only claim the save if you're ready to fight and upload the new save in one fell swoop.

Prinz Elberhard - Completed

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Khan Orda has retreated towards Edessa. He is within reach of your army on the bridge east of Aleppo. Your mission is to bring him to battle and slay him at all costs.
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Count Fredericus - Completed

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Count Jan von Hamburg - Deferred until next Queue

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During the new year, the Egyptian forces menacing Acre chased you north into the Mountains. (OOC: You faced 1:7 odds and I retreated you) However, much of the force dispersed when they rebelled against their Sultan. The odds (5:4) are now even and you face a small rebel army of battered peasants and depleted Mamluk Archers. If you wish, strike south and avenge your retreat. (One of the Crusade Armies could assist, but I thought you'd like a battle)

Count Hans - Deferred until next Queue

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You have brought your Crusade forces south and have pursued Sultan Moussa, the man who ordered the taking of Jerusalem. Bring him to God's Justice south of Aleppo. (OOC: Since you're away from the game let me know how you want to resolve the battle.)

Count Peter von Kastilien - Completed

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Several small Polish Armies have swarmed over the bridge south of Thorn. To protect the nascent Teutonic Crusade and Thorn, clear the area of all Polish forces. Start by attacking Captain Stanislaus to your north, this will bring the Polish King to his countryman's assistance. Kill or capture the King if you can and then proceed to secure the area. This might involve several battles. You are not to have the Teutonic Crusade engage in battle. Those men have a long march ahead and must be preserved for now.
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Here's the save:
EDIT: Link removed because it isn't current.

Get to it. :2thumbsup: Let me know if you have any questions.

God I wish I could play the game now!!

After those types of order I feel pumped!!:2thumbsup:

TO GLORY MEN!!!

KILL EM ALL, or if you don't have the stomach, release them and have tea and scones with them...your choice.

Alright, as much as I have been procrastinating, I need to head to the library for the day to skim a few books on how post-colonial theory has been applied to writings on the Spanish Empire. I will be able to get back onto the boards but I will not be able to play the game until tonight when I get back home (8 or 9 hours from now). OK knows what is up and we have it worked out. Good luck with the battles.

And AG, Jan was thinking of holding hands with them and singing kum-bai-ya. Would Duke Arnold and his friends wish to join us? Seeing Grom and Bane singing around the campfire while roasting marshmallows puts a smile on my face. And afterwards, we can all play "trust games" where someone falls backwards and the others catch them.

:beam:

I've downloaded the save and am going to fight the battle now. :sweatdrop: