King of the Romans OOC thread X

TC: I appreciate you taking the time to say that. I think I understand your point of view a little better. I am a big part of why the OOC threads have grown so fast lately. Part of it is my intense interest in dissecting the rules. But part of it simply stems from the fact that I am blessed with a job that has internet access and minimal supervision.

As for the thing with Stig, I felt strongly about something, so I voiced my opinion. Others debated it in what I thought was a healthy and mature manner, so I tried to return the favor. I don't get anal-retentive out of disrespect. Its my personality. Once something is clear and/or econ makes a ruling, I drop the issue. I am satisfied if I am able to get my point of view out there in the most clear and well thought out way that I can. One thing that keeps me coming back is the fact that econ respects our opinion, takes it seriously, and then tries to incorporate it in a way that is the most fair to the most people.

As for what to do with the OOC thread, I like that we can have "light" conversation in here. If we should keep this just OOC business, then I would like for us to at least have an OOC and/or IC "bar" thread where we can just hang out and not worry about burying the more important information in jokes and small talk. Just a thought. I noticed in an older OOC thread that someone floated the idea of a "bar" thread where we can hangout IC and not worry about the formality of the Diet thread and I really like the idea. It might help with what you are concerned about.

Battle fought. I thought I would do something clever and ignore the night-fight to split the Prince from his army, so that I could kill him on the field for a morale hit to the big force. I placed two units of spears in ambush near where he would enter the battle and placed the rest in ambush in the middle of the map. Unfortunately, the Prince managed to get away from my spearmen after only suffering 1/4 casualties and rode to meet up with his force, leaving my 2 spearmen units in the dust and far away from my main force. At the same time, the entire Spanish force moved on my hidden main army, just as planned. What I didn't plan for was the fact that their Jinettes found my abushers before they stumbled into them, thus enabling them to impale a signficant number and reveal the ambush for the rest of the army. It turned into a totally chaotic forest melee without any discernable lines whatsoever. I only won thanks to the mounted and dismounted Imperial Knights and their fabulous AP. For a good several minutes, I was expecting to write-up a defeat and perhaps even my own death. Considering that Lothar now has a cumulative -3 morale thanks to the worsening witch curse, I think it was only sheer luck that kept my army from routing.

Not one of my best tactical moments. I was lucky to escape with only 60% casualties.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1274-5.zip

All right, we have one battle left for 1274, Tamur vs. Rebels. As soon as that is done, I'll be able to end the turn pretty quickly.

Two comments.

* Try to avoid paralysis by analysis as a general rule for lowering OOC posts. A common sense minimalistic approach to rules would be advisable. If someting comes up then lets look at the rules, have a short debate then reach concensus.

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* I'll replay the record I scratched 2 months ago:

"The rule set and bureaucracy levels are reaching counter productive levels".

It should not be a prerequisite to have studied Politics and/or Law to play this game....and I'd say if you read the current introductory threads you would agree there is a somewhat monumental amount to read and digest.

...AND before anyone jumps in and we have another flurry of posts.....LETS try not to bite on this morsel of opportunity to do this all over again :yes:

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Originally Posted by AussieGiant

Two comments.

* Try to avoid paralysis by analysis as a general rule for lowering OOC posts. A common sense minimalistic approach to rules would be advisable. If someting comes up then lets look at the rules, have a short debate then reach concensus.

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* I'll replay the record I scratched 2 months ago:

"The rule set and bureaucracy levels are reaching counter productive levels".

It should not be a prerequisite to have studied Politics and/or Law to play this game....and I'd say if you read the current introductory threads you would agree there is a somewhat monumental amount to read and digest.

...AND before anyone jumps in and we have another flurry of posts.....LETS try not to bite on this morsel of opportunity to do this all over again :yes:

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*tries to hold in all of the encyclopedic comments that he has amassed from combing the rules for umpteen hours in order to not respond to AG's comments and not add to the hundreds of OOC rules posts that he is already responsible for.*

BOOM!!!

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Lol.

hey FH, just wanna say thanks for that cfg file thing. it all works flawlessly now!

AussieGiant: Clear some PM space, I have a PM I want to send to you.

Taking the save, will post it back up with results in about an hour.

Rebels dispersed, Chancellor. The poor fellows lost about sixty of their number by marching straight into my crossbows.

Save is here:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1274-6.zip

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

http://cicero.modwest.com/images/tw/...attle-1274.jpg

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http://cicero.modwest.com/images/tw/...sults-1274.jpg

One of these days I won't be painting any part of the house and will get the three latest battles written up, oj.

Excellent. I will take the save when I return from work and will end the turn shortly after. There is a possibility that Peter von Kastilien will be attacked by the Poles, judging by the armies gathered, so we might have a defensive battle over the AI moves.

Sorry Igno.

I'm clear now.

Ig asked someone else to clear their PM box?

I feel like I just entered the twilight zone...

Pretty crazy hey PK!!:beam:

If we are going to make bodyguards recruitable, then we should be strict on where they can be trained. I suggest that one city is designated, perhaps Florence.

This is because only an avatar-led army can fight the battle manually. If we allow generals to be recruited all over the place, this would ruin the challenge of having enough generals in the right places at the right time.

Believe me Igno there are a world of issues to this move.

Firstly and most importantly we are going to have to create even more rules to govern this OOC decision.

I am not even going to think too far on the subject as it is just going to hurt.:wall:

Lets not make this a tempest in a tea cup. This will only add one general, for now at least, to Bavaria. If it's abused, we can always refine it with an OOC edict or amendment.

The only area where we could use a general but lack one is Bran.

Don't worry there's no tea cup here. :clown:

One general is fine.

Of all the people in the game I'd be the one to have the greatest need. With three avatars in total, it's not ideal.

The eastern front is never a healthy place but this war with Hunagary seems to be especially leathal :yes:

Turns out we got another battle for 1274. gibson has a defensive battle against the poles. Check out my updated report for details:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=244

Usually bridge battles are easy, but with that much artillery on the Polish side it could be difficult if the Poles decide to sit back and bombard before crossing.

GL gibson.

Oj, that looks like quite the fight gibson, best of luck. Feel free to be as merciless as you wish!

haha thanks. whenever i play ahead i have to autoresolve it and i always win for autocalc, lets see if im that good now lol

Usually they bombard you until you get out of range or they run out of ammo. Annoying thing is that they sometimes get stuck because of pathfinding: The AI fails to move its siege engines across the river.

Depends on the type of bridge though.

OverKnight, what's the deal with Matthias?

The outcome of the battle was never in question and, unless the archer tower AI prefers to target someone other than the general, bringing in more troops wouldn't have helped. The only thing I could have done was to Bring Sigismund closer to the gatehouse and out of sight of the tower. Does anyone else have any insights?

I'm sure he has his reasons.

i think the battle shouldnt be to bad, as long as i keep my local superiority

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I'm sure he has his reasons

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I can only offer a quote from the sum of all wisdom, knowledge, and very good sound bites, The Princess Bride:

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Yellin: It won't be easy.
Humperdink: Try ruling the world some time.

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Perhaps Lothar should point out that the Outremer fanatics have fallen victim to one of the classic blunders.

...I know we didn't get into a land war with the Russians, that's Ansehelm...

*goes and looks at IMDB*

-edit- Ah, it's Asia, and not the Russians.

I'll also have you know that Arnold fell for the other, slightly-less-known one though.

We are going up against Sicilians with death on the line. :laugh4:

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OverKnight, what's the deal with Matthias?

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Cecil XIX, Matthias is a bit put out that a Citadel, no matter how lightly defended, was assaulted by a mere two units of men when an entire Army was available.

He gave Sigismund a free hand, and in return the AHA is holed up in Bran with no leader and sorrounded by Hungarians. The battle was won, but the loss of a General endangers the entire campaign, so he's a bit grumpy.

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Perhaps Lothar should point out that the Outremer fanatics have fallen victim to one of the classic blunders.

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Since Douglas MacArthur has not been born yet, we'll just have to learn that lesson the hard way...

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The Chancellors Grumpy!!??

I've written three tirades by Arnold which I scrapped due to over acting my character to ridiculous levels :laugh4:

Grumpy would not even get close to those three attempts I decide not to post. :beam:

GH can you elaborate on the "less known" error Arnold has made?

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Originally Posted by AussieGiant

The Chancellors Grumpy!!??

I've written three tirades by Arnold which I scrapped due to over acting my character to ridiculous levels :laugh4:

Grumpy would not even get close to those three attempts I decide not to post. :beam:

GH can you elaborate on the "less known" error Arnold has made?

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According to wikipedia its, "Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line!"

unfortunately, i cant fight tonite but i can tomorrow night. if thats too long feel free to autoresolve

You have 48 hours from the time I sent you the PM. If you can complete the battle and upload the new save in that time, please do so.

Auto-Resolve would be bad for this situation as you are facing 1:1 odds and it would be more advantageous to fight out a bridge defense.

Actually, there are a lot of Princess Bride quotes that relate to KotR:

Fezzik/Otto: You never said anything about killing anyone.
Vizzini/Heinrich: I've hired you to help me start a war. It's an prestigious line of work, with a long and glorious tradition.
Otto: I just don't think it's right, killing an innocent Cardinal.
Heinrich: Am I going MAD, or did the word "think" escape your lips? You were not hired for your brains, you hippopotamic land mass.
Inigo Montoya/Dietrich: I agree with Otto.
Heinrich: Oh, the sot has spoken. What happens to him is not truly your concern. I will kill him. And remember this, never forget this: when I found you, you were so slobbering drunk, you couldn't buy Brandy!
[turning to Otto]
Heinrich: And you: friendless, brainless, helpless, hopeless! Do you want me to send you back to where you were? Count of measly Innsbruck!

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Miracle Max/Otto: Get back, witch.
Valerie/Elsabeth: I'm not a witch, I'm your wife. But after what you just said, I'm not even sure I want to be that any more.

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Count Rugen/Bane: Ah. Are you coming down into the pit? Wesley's got his strength back. I'm starting him on the machine tonight.
Prince Humperdinck/Arnold: [sincerely] Bane, you know how much I love watching you work, but I've got my country's 500th anniversary to plan, my wedding to arrange, my wife to murder and Sicily to frame for it; I'm swamped.

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All quotes courtesy of IMDB, home of movie nerds everywhere. :yes:

lol! oh the pain, thanks for the laugh all. Lothar, look at what you started...

GH that was a classic. I'll have to watch it again, for the 3526th time.

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Life is pain, Tamur! Anyone who says different is selling something.

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Vizzini: No more quotes now, I mean it!

Anybody wanna peanut?

Hell that made me laugh!!

Nice work GH. Especially like the Humperdink line.

Knock it off, don't make me call the Brute Squad!

By the way nice write up TC.

That was a close one.

I concur, well written and an interesting alternative to the usual battle reports.

The intestines hanging like a demonic wedding train leaves an interesting mental image. :2thumbsup: I would suggest that Lothar doesn't eat any strange mushrooms he finds in the forest before battles though.

I also hate fighting in forests. I'm usually forced to send the camera in under the trees, I lose strategic vision and it turns into a clumsy slog.

Very true OK

It's actually quite realistic.

I noticed that one of Lothar's 'curse' traits was significantly worse at the end of the battle. Combined with the total tactical *#&@*# that I made, it seemed like an opportune time make Lothar lose it a bit. I really wasn't in control of what was going on. Most of the screenshots are on the edge of the woods, but a lot of the fighting was under trees where I couldn't see what was happening. There were no lines at all and I just kept throwing units into the fight whereever I could when they became free. It really was sheer luck that made it a victory.

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According to Buddha, life is suffering.

TC that was one of the best writeups I've read. The pics are atmospheric, and the text and flow are *very* immersive. Well done indeed.

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TC that was one of the best writeups I've read. The pics are atmospheric, and the text and flow are *very* immersive. Well done indeed.

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I must admit, I'm still partial to this one.

Aw geez, I'm not sure if I can match the lyrical and hallucinatory new direction that the battle reports have taken.

Ummm. . .what rhymes with "dead Mongol"?

Good Job Tamur. :2thumbsup:

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lyrical and hallucinatory new direction

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lol! I just hope someone named Coleridge doesn't join now or we're all in trouble.

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Ummm. . .what rhymes with "dead Mongol"?

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"A bong'll" but I think I'm the only one who will be able to use that. :laugh4:

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Aw geez, I'm not sure if I can match the lyrical and hallucinatory new direction that the battle reports have taken.

Ummm. . .what rhymes with "dead Mongol"?

Good Job Tamur. :2thumbsup:

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A dongle... :beam:

Very nice, Tamur. The 4th and 5th screenshots in particular work fabulously. They look like they could be 19th Century oil paintings of the battle.

For anyone who questions what good screenshots can do for a story, you need to check out this thread.

Fought battle - i tried to save before the turn ended but i couldnt make it. the save is kotr1274-9.zip.

ending SS:

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http://123pichosting.com/images/8701...eatvictory.JPG

the events that OK is going to miss out on seeing are

Mission - Cease Hostilities with Hungary
Mission Success - Cease Hostilities with Denmark
Marriage - Niesenn von Mahren
Trait Increase - Péter the Merciless feels respected
The Hordes Arrive - Mongols on our land
City Ready to Upgrade - Metz
Large City Ready to Upgrade - Nuremburg
End of Turn Report:

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http://123pichosting.com/images/7752endofturnreport.JPG

sorry bout that tho.

I am assuming that we are accepting the Niesenn marriage offer, so I have added the fellow to the Library:

https://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b...lberg_1276.jpg

Please note that I just got a new widescreen monitor and as a result my resolution has changed. This means the screenshots may look a bit different. Sorry if it makes the Library look funky.

Yes, the marriage offer was accepted.

I apologize for the scattershot intro to 1276, but I did not have a chance to upload photos and such for a proper report before heading for work. One will be done once I get home.

We have one battle so far and the save has already been sent out.

Edit: Thanks for the update gibsonsq91921, it was helpful.

That's pretty funny TC with the widescreen look.

What type did you get and how do you like it?

OK,

Did you PM the battle's for this year rather than post em up?

There's one battle so far, what happens after that hinges on it, so it has to be fought first.

And yes, I am being vague.

Seems marriages are picking up. Too bad thats for our spinsters currently.

And I'm guessing that battle is Outremer eh? Or Matthias attacking something?

TC: I use widescreen too, but did not check "widescreen" in the options section, so my screens while looking somewhat cropped, are not that bad ~:)

As for marriages, it gets em out of the way so there will be better ones later on.

As for the battle, due to anecdotal evidence, I have a bad feeling about that...

Yup, more weddings, probably to compensate for our recent losses.

I'm just accepting all offers at this point just so we can get to marrying important (or edict enforced) people off.

Anyone coming into Austria?

It's just me Becker and Zirn.

Hangin out in the Chamber over here, sinking piss and talking bollocks.

Well, seeing as the new marriage is to the other von Mahren daughter, the new avatar is Austrian. Its just stuck up in Hamburg like Becker was. :laugh4:

Austria now has one more avatar, the gentleman TC just showed. Whether there is a player for that avatar, I do not know.

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Well, seeing as the new marriage is to the other von Mahren daughter, the new avatar is Austrian. Its just stuck up in Hamburg like Becker was. :laugh4:

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Really!!?? That's great news then.

Of course I assume Arnold still slapping away in the bath house?:dizzy2:

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Of course I assume Arnold still slapping away in the bath house?:dizzy2:

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Thats not very sanitary....

Other people have to swim in that. o_O

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Thats not very sanitary....

Other people have to swim in that. o_O

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It's good to be the Duke!! :laugh4:

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It's good to be the Duke!! :laugh4:

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I can see Grom just ignorantly swimming around in the hot tub totally oblivious to what he is swimming in.

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That's pretty funny TC with the widescreen look.

What type did you get and how do you like it?

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Samsung 226BW 22"

I actually got two of them, one for myself and one for my wife. They replaced two 19" CRTs. I also have a boatload of other parts arriving tomorrow, including a new dual core CPU and two GF 8800GTS 640mb VPUs.

Yes, I'm a happy boy. :yes:

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TC: I use widescreen too, but did not check "widescreen" in the options section, so my screens while looking somewhat cropped, are not that bad ~:)

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I can't see any difference with the widescreen box checked or unchecked. What settings exactly do you run in?

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I can see Grom just ignorantly swimming around in the hot tub totally oblivious to what he is swimming in.

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At this point I usually get accused of going too far with these types of jokes...I leave it be for the moment

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:beam:

At this point I usually get accused of going too far with these types of jokes...I leave it be for the moment

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I too, often get accused of going too far with these types of jokes...and I totally embrace it. Its just my brand of humor.

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And I can just see Bane sitting on the side looking with barely concealed disgust with how unclean the action in question is. He seems to me to be a neat freak...

A remarkable show of restraint.

Getting back to marriages, the trend during my term has been daughters being married off to new avatars. None of the current avatars is getting married however, besides the Kaiser that is, so I'm wondering if the game has a priority list or something.

I can't believe that the major headache of my term has been matrimony rather than Mongols. :no:

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I can't believe that the major headache of my term has been matrimony rather than Mongols. :no:

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The Matrimonial Hordes?

Apologies OK.

I seem to have sucked all the energy in to one big bride search...

...still, you know the Bucks night will be HUGE!!!!

Bane's probably a very meticulous fellow...I really haven't thought that much about him for awhile.

Still...if OK has a few battle's then there might be a few battle write up's for me to flesh them out a little more.

You can just imagine, the Priest, Military advisor, Bane and Grom in one big battle carrying on about Arnold's wedding chances.

I think the game will try to marry off female chars first before offering marriages. So keep your fingers crossed. That is of course especially true if the next chancellor decides to only accept marraige offers for male avatars selectively - i.e. no bride for political enemies. Would like to think that this wouldn't happen though considering that its not like the woman approaches the chancellor for the marriage.

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I can't see any difference with the widescreen box checked or unchecked. What settings exactly do you run in?

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1440x900. Maybe your's is even wider?

P.S.: Did we just go through an entire OOC thread page within 30 minutes?

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P.S.: Did we just go through an entire OOC thread page within 30 minutes?

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Yes

And its even scarier when you consider what a large percentage of the page was about...

Love your work People!!


Love you work!!

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1440x900. Maybe your's is even wider?

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1680 x 1050

My question after waking up to this is, is there really a difference between OOC and IC?

edit: add voice inflection to indicate this is a joke!