I'm happy to have the orders revealed - it can't spoil anyone's plans now that the rebellion is over.
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I'm happy to have the orders revealed - it can't spoil anyone's plans now that the rebellion is over.
I bet it is not nearly as nasty as what I had planned for Jan to do if he captured Dassel.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Imagine being locked in a cell and having Jan read the Bible to you... for hours on end.
A few days of that, and Dassel would have begged for sweet merciful death...
:evil:
You are still fixated on the killing Hans thing? It really is not smart to kill a prisoner and then start to negotiate. Especially, the elder brother of the person you are negotiating with. Sorry, PK and Warluster, but in such a situation, Elberhard would probably shoot the hostages himself and then Dietrich. After that, he would change his name from Kaiser Elberhard to Keyser Soze.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Thats ok. If Jan lived, captured Dassel, and found out Dassel had executed Hans before his capture, he would have walked up to the young knight, pulled a pistol, and blew Dassel's brains out.Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
He would have felt real bad afterwards but he would have done it. :yes:
Interesting, at the time, I did wonder how far Jan's "no execution" principle would have extended had he captured Dietrich[1]. Since it was Jan's soldiers who did capture Dietrich, I considered having them follow what I thought were his principles. However, I did not think it very plausible. I believe in WW2, German soldiers who killed (in "fair" combat) Allied soldiers in open view and then tried to surrender usually were unofficially executed. Snipers often suffered from this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
[1]I think at the time, GH was also making a related (mis)calculation.
Well, since Jan did die, I didn't have to think really quick on the fly. So, I pondered it. And in my pondering, I concluded that if Jan had to walk by his decapitated friend, then someone was going to die. I would have asked you to wait a few minutes as I wrote a story of Jan just standing there thinking. He'd wrestle with the decision. And then he'd just do it. And then he would puke his guts out afterwards. I was even toying with making him go suicidal but his retinue would tackle him and stop him.Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
This is all just speculation though. If I was confronted with the quick multiple choice thing GH had to deal with, I don't know which I would have picked.
Now if Dassel had spared Hans, then there would definitely be no execution. I was even planning on having Jan confront Hans over the issue. Hence why I spoke to you and TC about figuring out who actually would have custody over the captured avatar, in the event of a Dassel and/or Luther capture.
Jan was a merciful guy but even he had his limits...
At the time, I believed that PK was focusing all of his efforts on taking the city before I could get back. I figured I would finish Hans's army off and then either make a clean getaway or head back into Bern to join the fight, depending on the situation.Quote:
[1]I think at the time, GH was also making a related (mis)calculation.
I'm still amazed and amused at the many assumptions we all made in that battle. I assumed you'd stay in the city. You didn't stay. I assumed you would come back right away. You didn't come back. Econ's system definitely portrays the "fog of war" in a realistic way. We had to make quick decisions without updated or accurate information. Basically we were just guessing a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Kind of like real war. :yes:
I think it's funny that after all that debate over whether "lawfare" would derail the Diet, it's religious arguments that are doing it. :clown:
Oh yes, the discussion in the Diet is spinning nicely out of hand. I'm trying to keep Fritzy icily sneering rather than openly confrontational, but I suspect it's only a matter of whether Peter or Elberhard checks in first which side gets, at best, squashed, and at worst, banned.
Fun, fun! Now, having stirred the pot, I'm off to bed.
:egypt:
If I remember correctly, aren't most of the Electors (except possibly the newer ones) Lutheran?
Hey guys, is it just me or does my avatar look suspiciously like John Cleese?
https://img107.imageshack.us/img107/...rail130nl8.jpg
Close resemblance.:laugh4:
No it is the other way most are Catholic. At least the old Guard. There are a few Luthern but we are still a predominant Catholic Reich and hence the issue for the Outremer to protect the Papacy and Jerusalem.
Ok, I wasn't sure. I remember seeing an OOC thread where players voted on their avatar's religious persuasion. I thought most of them had by far and away voted Lutheran (at least 2:1).Quote:
Originally Posted by Northnovas
Maybe I'll crop and resize that pic, and use it for my avatar pic on the forums. :clown:
I was wrong, it was half and half.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=92421
With so many Lutheran figures in Swabia dead, and presumably at least some of the new guys being Catholic (Andreas is, as is von Hapsburg), I think the Lutherans may be in the minority now.
Hmmmm, the judgement of History is harsh sometimes, perhaps that was one of the few times the objective veneer of the Imperial Historian was lost. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
In my defense, it was a catchy title, "Fight or Fight at another place later and a continent away" would have been less appealing. If you have a suggestion for a replacement, I'm all ears. :yes:
Edit: As for all the bally hoo about how to address Matthias, meh, it's not all that important. He's really not all that into titles. If you wish to be technically correct, the best kind of correct there is, since he's been reappointed by the Kaiser he is currently King, and if 14.2 passes, he will be Viceroy.
Of course since he's basically in charge of something the size of a county I find it all a bit silly.
"Bravely Sir Robin ran away... brave brave Sir Robin..."Quote:
Originally Posted by OverKnight
"When danger reared its ugly head, he bravely turned his tail and fled."
:clown:
So, what level Bureaucrat are you? :clown:Quote:
Originally Posted by OverKnight
Concerning Elberhard
"Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat"
~;)
Well theres the thing that von Salza is Luthrean, did I forget to mention that?
econ21, you may reveal the orders I sent in for the BoS. It is a shame they never got to use, it would've been quite interesting.
Level 36, if the CA passes Level 34.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zim
Glad to have another Futurama fan in the crowd. :2thumbsup:
Don't quote me charter amendments. I co-chaired the committee that reviewed the recommendation to revise the color of the book that amendment's in. We kept it gray....
Flydude makes three. Apparently there are a lot of us. :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by OverKnight
Just don't expect me to do a little dance on a pile of paperwork...Quote:
Originally Posted by Zim
that's 4...
And to keep up with the quotes, "Life… death… either way I'll be confined to a tiny cubicle!"
I better add a quote of my own, then. :clown:
"I heard beer makes you stupid."
"No I'm...doesn't!"
Is it from the same episode? :clown:
They have to be? Drat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
The good ones are taken. :clown:
How about "It was a regulation date that ended in regulation disappointment".
Or how about "I am Bender, please insert liquor!"
Well, until your "beer makes you stupid" quote, every quote from all of us was from the episodeQuote:
Originally Posted by Zim
"How Hermes Requisitioned His Groove Back"
Not only were there Futurama fans around here. But there were fans geeky enough to know exactly what episode was being talked about. :2thumbsup:
I resent the implication of that remark. I am geeky enough to recognize the episode, as can be shown by my pulling two quotes from the top of my head. :clown:
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Originally Posted by Privateerkev
I never meant to imply that you weren't geeky enough. Your the one that first picked up on OK's quote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zim
But somewhere, you lost that geeky feeling. And now it's gone gone gone.
Whoa oa ooo...
:clown:
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
Originally, the line called for me to say "yes", but I added my own little twist.
:clown:
The idea of a candidates' debate is an interesting one.
It would have to wait until Monday when AG is back. One model would be to collect questions from other players, send a list to the candidates and post their answers consecutively in the Diet. Would anyone be interested in taking on that role? Ideally, a non-partisan character neither candidate would object to.
Are there going to be any other candidates, BTW? I always like candidates to declare early so that their manifestoes can define the agenda for debate.
I wouldn't mind doing that, since I'm online so much anyway.
A few questions:
1. Would it be done IC or OOC? That is, would I be the guy collecting the questions, or Andreas?
2. Do I solicit questions, or is it just announced that I will be collecting them and people can send them to me?
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Originally Posted by econ21
Great - I was thinking you were one of the more neutral participants.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zim
IC is always more fun.Quote:
1. Would it be done IC or OOC?
Maybe Andreas should make an announcement asking people to send them to you and if by Sunday night you don't have enough, you could start soliciting.Quote:
2. Do I solicit questions, or is it just announced that I will be collecting them and people can send them to me?
I like the idea Zim! Makes it easier to see in once place what the major point of opposition are. and we can create a 20th century phenomenon in the middle ages :D
Yeah, this will be a close race, at least for Peter. I imagine a lot of you are already thinking for Arnold just because he's ARNOLD! In reality they're both pretty close in qualification.
I was thinking of running, but with both Fritz and Arnold running, I'm not sure I would stand a chance. Besides, people don't like my empire management (Hans didn't get reelected while Matthias did) :grin:
I guess Hans would have been re-elected if there were no viable candidates available at the time. I forget who else was running with Matthias, but I don't think it was someone that we wanted in.
The two other candidates for the 1280-1300 chancellorship were Hans and Wolfgang Hummel, their opposition paving the way for the Swabian Rebellion.
Yeah, and Wolfgang never was trusted much by anyone, and Hans was more worrisome at the time.
Myself, I would rather go with Fritz... but my avatar is not decided yet
I edited the List of King of the Romans characters wiki to include all the new characters, so you can start filling in the bio's.
I've taken a look at the Wiki entry for Hugo, it is listed as Von Cervole instead of de Cervole...
I'll post his life story in the stories thread first anyway...
KOTRfix 1.3 is up.
Link:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/KOTRfix13.rar
Please install and make sure it works on your end. As above, you must have it installed and working if you play a KOTR save and intend on uploading it as not to corrupt your avatar or that of others irreversibly.
Note the addition of the names fille in the text folder that you will need as well.
Easiest way to check whether the fix is working for you or not is to apply it and then check whether Arnold is a Saint or merely Inspiring and whether Tristan's avatar is de Cervole or von Holland.
If it is not working, contact me. Don't suffer in silence :bow:
How hard is it to make a name change? Could add a lot of possibilities for new avatars.
Is the link supposed to go to "atomicgamer.com"?Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
It's a .rar file rather than .zip, that's why FH's link is broken. Here:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/KOTRfix13.rar
You can always check the upload space itself for the file:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/
Testing now.
edit: von Holland is now de Cervole and Arnold is still Inspiring. Everything seems to work fine. Thanks FH. :)
:egypt:
Ah you young whippersnappers still think we're playing a "democracy"...
:laugh4:
The 1280 election was just to get Matthias re-elected. Hans ran but threw the election because Jan asked nicely and dangled a massive army command in front of his nose. Ok, Jan didn't ask nicely. Jan threatened Hans and told him he'd throw him in prison if he refused. So, Hans stopped politicking and Matthias was re-elected. Wolfgang was merely a blip in that election and made no impact what-so-ever.
This was one of the real reasons Jan went to Bern. He felt guilty for treating Hans so bad in 1280 and wanted to atone. He ended up atoning for it alright, and paid that atonement with his life. Either way it made for a good story. :2thumbsup:
And if you really want to see a rigged election, study the 1260 one. :yes:
Wow mighty Hans being threatened by merciful Jan :clown:
I'll have to check up on 1260 then.
Why do you think Jan twisted Dieter's arm so hard to vote for Matthias? :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Elite Ferret
And in Hans defense, I don't think he felt "threatened" by Jan. But he didn't want the Chancellorship that badly. It was more to just give more of a contest to the election. But he did want a big climatic battle in Outremer. So Jan gave him one. That massive battle between Hans and 2 Mongol armies was "payment" for his political help. Unfortunately Jens died due to all the arrows flying around. And that ended up biting Hans in the end because one of the reasons Dassel cut Hans head off was for vengeance on Hans for getting Jens killed.
I love how all the plots weave together... :2thumbsup:
:thumbsup: Andreas shall be the temporary Chancelor Canditate Interviewer, then. Too bad the IMS is down now, it'd be a good place to make that kind of announcemen. I'll just do it in the diet, and maybe add a line in my sig.
IC for now I'll just assume some faceless bureaucratic offical gave Andreas the job. If you want that changed (like, say, to the Kaiser appointing him), I can edit any posts I make where it's mentioned.
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Originally Posted by econ21
Bloody ^%$&, I was already reluctant to try at Chancellor, and now I've got to fill out a frickin' questionaire too. Can it be multiple choice Zim? :laugh4:
Anyone who wants to vote for Arnold because he has more OOC experience than me don't be shy about it. I'm not going to be hurt by losing (But Fritz is going to kill your relatives. Seriously).
:egypt:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Sorry Ramses, my lingering resentment over my last few yaers of university means that all questions will require an essay answer.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
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Originally Posted by Ramses II CP
well Ramses after reading your Danish AAR, Succession PBM writeups and KotR battle reports I have no doubts about your ability to play the game, it's just the added responsibility of other people's avatars and having to follow strict rules that will be new to you. AFAIK AG has never been chancellor either.
Ok, Econ21, so far I have a mighty 1 question. :clown: We'll see how many more come in over the next couple days.
I have to second Ramses OOC qualifications. In the Scottish PBM, I think he was the best campaign player among us.
He's a pretty skilled battler too.
Kind of an explanation, but I liken 14.4 mostly to Kennedy's "We're going to the moon by the end of the decade" speech early on in the Sixties. The goal of 14.4 is to unite national sentiment and focus part of our efforts to a goal that we can all share in once completed. Of course, whether or not it attains the desired effect...
Anyway, I'm really trying hard to resist posting "We fight the Byzantines not because it is easy, but because it is hard."
You might consider some of the following:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zim
Which front would the Chancellor personally like to campaign on?
Would Imperial armies be committed to any other fronts?
Which field armies or fronts are in most urgent need of reinforcement?
Would the Chancellor prioritise recruitment or building?
What kinds of buildings would the Chancellor be more inclined to authorise?
What territorial objectives does the Chancellor set for their term?
Why is does the candidate think he is better qualified than his rival?
Which past Chancellor does the candidate admire the most?
What was the candidate's worst mistake?
What was the candidate's greatest achievement?
Is the candidate a dog person or a cat person?
When did the candiate stop beating his wife?
Given the candidates involved, another question should be,
Which is more intimidating, sticking the heads of your enemies on pikes or sacking the same city multiple times?
:clown:
:laugh4: I meant one question from other players. I'm sure I could come up with plenty on my own.
I'll consider those Kaiser Elberhard's contribution.
PK, a correction if I may.
Which is more intimidating, sticking the heads of your enemies on pikes or sacking your own city multiple times?
Sorry all,
Ramses is correct, the link is broken because it points to a zip and not a rar file. I forgot to change that when copy pasting.
I updated the link above and will just post it again here in case people missed it:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/KOTRfix13.rar
(or in my signature)
If you need a zip version, let me know.
Did the candidate have sexual relations with Elberhard's daughters?
btw, PK, i love ur new avatar. he's so much more fun than Jan! haha. from peters point of view, at least
Well seeing as the oldest daughter is only 13, I sure hope not. Plus Arnold is actually related to them by blood so that has an even more complicating factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by gibsonsg91921
And thanks Gibson! :bow:
Dieter is getting fun to play. I'm starting to flesh him out a little more now and find his "voice". :2thumbsup:
Also, I am quite amused that Jan, even in death, can still cause arguing in the Diet... :laugh4:
I know it's been awhile since we did this but is there a location with the edicts proposed so far in the Diet? I am seeing the different edict numbers discussed and would like to review them all together. :book:
Or are we not at that stage yet??
Latest post in the Histories Thread.
Ahh! the Histories Thread.
Let me add that Matthias was unaware of all this, and if he had known about it probably would have nixed it. It seemed as if he would be reelected without such deals, so why make them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
It does clarify some of the actions taken leading up to the election itself and afterwards.
Also, is anyone going to propose some edicts? All we have are CAs. I know that we don't need edicts to take back former Imperial settlements, but if you don't have an edict, the when and how of taking them back will be left up to the Chancellor.
I had an Edict idea, but Andreas is still waiting on King Matthias to give his opinion of it. :clown:
If anyone has ideas for questions for the Chancellor candiates, feel free to pm them to me. Otherwise, 90% of the questions will have come from Econ. :clown:
Since they haven't specifically been banned, questions directed specifically to one of the candidates regarding past actions are allowed, so long as they aren't solely aimed at baiting the candidate or making them look bad.
Ok fella's I'm back!!
I'll make some type of entry back into the Diet.
I know Dieter Bresch endorsed Fritz over Arnold, but is there something else going on that would explain the antipathy between the two? Am I missing something?
I dunno really, I'm in a funny mood and I've recently read about Jan and Arnold. Dieter was very close to Jan and Arnold can be a target to take his grief out on.
Ah, I'm no expert, but didn't those two eventually patch things up?
Of course, logic has never gotten in the way of ill feelings. :laugh4:
yeah but Dieter didn't :clown:
Well at least that might explain it EF.
You've got me stumped as to why though.
Maybe he's just trying to teach the new faces not to be scared of dread knights in black armour :clown:
there is no real reason other than me though. I'll find some traits to excuse it later :clown:
LOL, I don't really envisage any of the player characters as scared of Arnold :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by Elite Ferret
A little bit of "tension" is always good in the diet sessions. Arnold's curious as to why but he's quite prepared to have a little sparring :2thumbsup:
Not really. They tried to work together for awhile but actions happened right before and at the 1300 Diet the pissed Jan off. So, he went back to antagonizing his favorite Dread Duke.Quote:
Originally Posted by OverKnight
If you read the IMS message, Jan was deliberately antagonizing Arnold because he was supporting Becker. If Jan survived Bern, he was going to head to Prague with his army to lend Becker a hand.
OK is "half" right. Matthias was well aware of the deal. In fact, I could not have implemented the "carrot" without Mattias's help. What Matthias did not know about was the "stick". Jan kept that little secret to himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by OverKnight
Hans's battle could not have been set up the way it was unless the Chancellor was assisting. It involved a lot of micro-managing and logistics. And Matthias was made quite aware that letting Hans do that battle "his way" was a political repayment.
:yes:
Really? Hmmm, that was a long time ago. What I do remember is that it wasn't my plan, and I didn't really ask for it to be done. I was kind of dragged in at the end. I do remember it involved a painful amount of PMs. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
Anyone who has dealt with FH's micromanaging will feel our pain...Quote:
Originally Posted by OverKnight
:laugh4:
I'ved tinkered with the save to kill off the unwanted recruitables (Hermmann Ruppel and Wenzel von Kassel). I've also shifted the stacks to identify the feudal retinues of Arnold, Freidrich Karolinger and Fredericus Erlach:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1340-1b.zip
After 5 turns, we will review how the retinues are working out. I may also take that opportunity to top up AI armies, but generally I will try to restrict that to Diets only.
And there goes another Ruppel.