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Is this from d2 sod? I'm not sure tbh. I think I disliked Annika for having too many townreads at that point. They probably felt to me like that soul villa who couldn't justify scumreading active towns. D1 Maple was a wildcard and I dislike voting 0 posters.Quote:
Originally Posted by waza
Maybe because it was too wolfy for Ender to be a wolf. Something along those lines. My d2 wasn't good. I think my d3 was better but for some reason I locked lissa town and spent most of it on a vanity search only to end up Ender, who I previously had as a possible town.Quote:
Originally Posted by waza
Oh, yes It felt kind of naive from ender that he explained that. I think he would have avoided creating narratives like that as a wolf.Quote:
Originally Posted by waza
I posted about that (finding it unlikely). Can you recall that Maple was talking about them not being able to target the same person as the kill? So, wolf having a pro town role could be a balancing act and it messes with players. I still find it to be maybe too out there for it to be real.Quote:
Originally Posted by didistetter
The only other option is Benneh, who is pushing for Maple and I have to admit it's a solid push.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40qVfqtvRFs
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Day 5 - Votes from post 1931 through 2074
ugh ben brother you do have some kinda rough posts regarding ladd/dya on d2 :(
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Originally Posted by Maple
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Originally Posted by Maple
idk how to describe it but something about maples claim seems kinda believable to me, the only unbelievable part is the fact they claimed at that moment with no pressure at all, and id expect a mech wiz like maple to know they didnt need to claim there and its -ev esp given they literally told wolves how to kill them??Quote:
Originally Posted by Maple
bro you managed to mention every person in your poe in this post except for lissa lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by nebjiamn
-as a way to force balance without giving town an extra PRQuote:
Originally Posted by didistetter
-in a world manti is also some sorta arso
-allows wolves to wifom actions (see: doctor)
i mean, ya, but lots of the confirmed design has been strange already. idk. judge it off posts and who do you think it is?Quote:
i'm not trying to be obtuse it just feels like really strange design
think ur blind bruvQuote:
Originally Posted by waza
i don't think there's any reasonable chance taffy's a pack wolfQuote:
Originally Posted by waza
the biggest plus to ben is that he decided to hard shield zelda when my poe outside the prs was zelda and ben, which inevitably shrinks the poe to just ben. which is in a vacuum towny. the only counterargument i can think as to why it isnt towny is that ben is a top 10 player as wolf and town, so hes aware that people generally for whatever reason think that expanding the poe this far into the game is scummy (its not imo its probs rand/nai, but that perception exists regardless) and hes probs aware that therefore shrinking the poe is regarded as towny esp when ur in that poe. so i wouldnt put it completely past him to play into that somewhat because at the end of the day a vet wolf like ben knows it really doesnt matter how big or small the poe is, as long as u have just 1 person u can push/outsurvive each day thats all you need, so a poe of 2 is enough as long as you keep that poe at a consistent 2 each day.
but to his credit he goes the extra mile and hard shields zelda, and hard pushes maple, whhereas if he was a wolf he had the option to just softly defend zelda whilst egging me on in other ways. or let others push taffy, he doesnt neccessarily have to get blood on his hands today by cutting off other pushes and taking sole responsibility by spearheading a maple yeet, which inevitably makes him look even worse in w!ben v!maple worlds after that
like im not sure what w!bens strategy would be heading into the next day, he has to essentially bank on getting me and visor yeeted which then means he cant nk either of us. i suppose he would realise he needs zeldas vote in that case so maybe i can see the vision of wanting to try and pocket zelda early, but that would mean the man is playing 3 days in advance without even knowing for sure hes gonna live this day lol
tldr i think ben defending zelda the way he did was probs towny unless hes playing 3 days ahead/being wifomy
the biggest downside to ben is that imo he didnt find people he is really good at reading at appropriate times. i brought up some of the stuff d1, so i wont rehash those reads, but even on d2, imo ladd and dya were both really towny. if i could see it im sure ben normally should be able to as well, hes great at reading both of them im pretty sure. and i know he caught lissa almost instantly in the mash, and i did mention d1 that lissa was playing into some similar habits she did in the wolf mash game. so yeah if i had to tinfoil bens d2 its less the fact he pushed arctic (tbh i havent even reached that part yet) and moreso that he couldnt find ladd v dya v or lissa w
there was a game run previously here on the org where the dvc was very upset over how a flipped role implied the existence of a certain mechanic or extra role. this was a gemma game. i think a few of you were in it in fact
do i think this could be a similar case?
possibly
do i care in that scenario?
not really
why do you think wolves have an inventor that gives trackers when they already have a role that can track, serves no utility other than trying to clear themselves from the claim if lissa dies first. which tbf is pretty OP but like im not used to these kinda setups being a thing so idk how likely that is, given from my experience that sample size is exactly 0Quote:
Originally Posted by nebjiamn
yeah i was, i died n1 lol so i dont know much of it, i saw hally got mad and took her word for it so i stopped following. from my understanding that was due to a mod error and not something intentional, and i did see hally get pretty heated over it, so like i imagine gemma would avoid that this time around lmao but i could be wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by nebjiamn
but like doesnt the same apply to maples role?Quote:
Originally Posted by nebjiamn
i found dya. i was the first to find dya. every time they posted it reaffirmed my read. the nature of being town in a game like this is that my perspective shifts very quickly to 'what have you done fo rme lately' and due to dya's inactivity it forced me to look in the wormhole and consider the possibility they could be maf.
i couldn't find ladd but i gave him plenty of space to work and didn't outright tunnel him. he just got annoyed with me at the end and fair enough. but i still found his day 1 kind of annoying to me, so whatevs
idk im obviously biased but you are describing all reasons i am town. i don't illicit this much paranoia about people i know aren't likely to go over when i can just pocket them to work my agenda instead (this is where ur sus re: me and my treatment of zelda is more apropos but he's just town and so am i so /shrugze, sometimes town has to wolf too)
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Originally Posted by waza
but on posting and not factoring those things in i think maple is the wolfiest
i'm willing to give leeway on an overtly implied mechanic that should prove taffy isn't ever a pack wolf more than I am about the implied nature of a mechanic that could just be sillily balanced
Hard game man
I used to be good at late game solving but I’ve defs lost the touch
Or the time to parse it the way I’d like
The cope in me wants it to be the latter but who knows lmao
The more time you spend on ww generally the better the resultsQuote:
Originally Posted by waza
Sadly lol
What would be the purpose of that lie as either alignment?Quote:
Originally Posted by pzelda
Taffy (9)
Taffy please claim everythingQuote:
Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy
I agree with Ben on Taffy. I agree with Ben on a lot of things this game tbh. I don't think they're maf.
But I have this one problem. I think that Maple being mafia doesn't make a whole lot sense. I think locking all of waza/stett/visor as towns is ok. Visor was the one pushing lissa/benneh on d3 and I think he went against the consensus with that at that point. Waza and stett are just towns based on their activity + interactions with lissa. I don't feel like I need to talk about that in detail.
Benneh isn't locked. If it's not Maple, it's him. So, what's w Benneh's game here? Miselim another town pr, that would be powerwolfy as well and then probably start anew on d6. If Visor or waka is the nk, I'm probably the next miselim. Or taffy.
Or taffy could ignite and just end the game.
I think I want to vote out Benneh or Taffy more than Maple. Taffy needs to drop in and post their actions asap tbh.
I hope to continue my reread in the evening, but I don't think I could do better than waza. Also, I feel like atm I'm looking for scummy in benneh's posts and towny in Maple's, which might be a faulty approach.
To mess with town/mafiaQuote:
Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy
If we're being ungenerous, then what you've done today up till that post is come in, defended yourself for unvoting Lissa, announced an intention to shrug yeet a town PR bc you cba to solve and mocked the three players who've shown any interest in doing soQuote:
Originally Posted by waza
If you don't want it to be a dead day don't let it
We have a dead wolf you can read her iso
Taffy (10)
Taffy, each post you make where you continue to ignore people asking you to claim your actions increases the odds you die here by like 15%/post just FYI. idk if you need help reading the room or not but
just claim your actions already
Fwiw my townreading of you is partially sheeping the ppl with meta, but also your reads have internal consistency. I don't agree with your reasons for town/wolf reading ppl at times, but the whole of your reads seem coherent.Quote:
Originally Posted by pzelda
Taffy (11)
Taffy if you don't claim you are just gonna die for Christ's sake
I disagree with this take, actually, I remember several posts at SoD4 defending Lissa (I found Maple's there particularly bad) and arguing for why she was town despite the awful EoD, and like Happy said her wim only dropped when Visor kept up the push. Also mechanically, they'd have wanted to have the doc N4 so they could kill me/him safely.Quote:
Originally Posted by didistetter
Taffy (12)
this is like talking to apoc (but better since taffy is cooler than apoc)
I disagree completely. She's replying to Benneh who just called out Happy for his repeated jokes about bussing Rask (who she knows to be an afk wolf), if anything I'd say she was encouraging town!Benneh to tie town!Happy to wolf!Rask.Quote:
Originally Posted by pzelda
And her Maple read here is "I don't want to vote Maple but if she later flips wolf well oh dear me aren't I easily pocketed".
Taffy (13)