Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]

ara you have to realize me, visor and eph just came off two straight w!gh games where he powerwolfed like crazy so when we see gh blatantly protecting someone we think is clearly wolfy it’s gonna raise alarms

(i know you were in both too but i think you said you didn’t follow after you got lunched in rocks)

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Originally Posted by Maple

I read your posts ara

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Hi Manti!!!

Yes, and thoughts?

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

because i'm putting off posting in this game until i'm in the right headspace

but i'm also skeptical about whether that's going to happen until monday

so maybe i should just go for it

but i am not feeling it at this precise moment in time

i will say

i think manti and bop have both posted well today

and i think logic's post wrt gh and that read was incredibly wolfy

but shrug

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well i don’t disagree with any of this lol

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Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

Trying not to flat out openwolf?

Pushing your counterwagons can look fairly bad if you're doing so at that point there, as it would be blatantly out of self-pres, and I'm fairly certain dya would be very aware of that!!

I don't think it's trying to anti-spew Esooa mafia, given Esooa's side of their interactions!!!

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Dya panics somewhat as wolf and doubles/triples down on reads as wolf.

That sways me in favour of agreeing.

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Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

Hi Manti!!!

Yes, and thoughts?

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Re: Visor cool I could believe that but I'm not sold or thinking of going there atm

I agree the "yall bad" approach is lolz but hey I do it to, it's prob strategic

The gh stuff is very theoretical and I don't have any concrete thoughts yet

the rest of this day is just a prelude to when we lunch logic for making like three wolfy posts and then dipping

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Originally Posted by Hally

ara you have to realize me, visor and eph just came off two straight w!gh games where he powerwolfed like crazy so when we see gh blatantly protecting someone we think is clearly wolfy it’s gonna raise alarms

(i know you were in both too but i think you said you didn’t follow after you got lunched in rocks)

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Okay, but you're not going to try and follow through on thoughts besides that, and assume GH has simply turned into a level 1 player of the mafia alignment?

I only followed midway through day 1 of Rocks even, but it was never this incredibly blatant!!! Also, powerwolving done was in pursuit of hard pushing town flips through, not hard-defending mafia partners; significant difference!! That's literally always been a major point in GH's powerwolf play!!!

As a wolf in Team Game, the d1 powerwolf was explicitly to avoid a villager flip. The vigi in the setup meant we needed 2+ v wagons to be safe

Granted, I wasn't involved in wolf chat, this is what I got skimming the channels.

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Originally Posted by Hally

the rest of this day is just a prelude to when we lunch logic for making like three wolfy posts and then dipping

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Make it competitive and tell me why we don't end on monty for a reason other than "logic deserves to die more"

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Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

Maybe I'm biased because thinking along the lines of if I were mafia and you've got a sinking partner that has had a good town player defend them briefly, those are some extremely easy w/w associations to pull out and pretend that you believe!!

(For which I never really saw Visor consider why GH would blatantly powerwolf in that manner here, for one, which is the most obvious follow-up thought to seeing GH's EoD 1!!)

Following my previous thought, maybe that's just too self-conscious though; thoughts to consider, anyway!!!

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i did consider it?

its the basis of half the push

perhaps i didnt say it in a way that gh could latch onto

i cant really recall if he made an effort to engage me about it but i dont really care atm

he's dead, we're not.

I'm sorry for your loss. move on.

i feel like i should be doing more because i’m probably dying soon but everyone has arrived at more or less the same reads as me so i’m just gonna see where that leads us

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

because i'm putting off posting in this game until i'm in the right headspace

but i'm also skeptical about whether that's going to happen until monday

so maybe i should just go for it

but i am not feeling it at this precise moment in time

i will say

i think manti and bop have both posted well today

and i think logic's post wrt gh and that read was incredibly wolfy

but shrug

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For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure Logic's referenced the GH read as both alignments before? So the reference itself is not something I would consider suspicious in and of itself, though if there are specifics to it, then... -shrug-

Something something team game associations!!

I should refresh on that Dolby read I guess, don't remember why!!!

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Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure Logic's referenced the GH read as both alignments before? So the reference itself is not something I would consider suspicious in and of itself, though if there are specifics to it, then... -shrug-

Something something team game associations!!

I should refresh on that Dolby read I guess, don't remember why!!!

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The way he made his posts, especially the followup towards me trying to make it a turnabout, were pretty godawful.

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Originally Posted by Maple

Re: Visor cool I could believe that but I'm not sold or thinking of going there atm

I agree the "yall bad" approach is lolz but hey I do it to, it's prob strategic

The gh stuff is very theoretical and I don't have any concrete thoughts yet

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its my favourite approach to not have to justify myself or explain my actions

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Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

Okay, but you're not going to try and follow through on thoughts besides that, and assume GH has simply turned into a level 1 player of the mafia alignment?

I only followed midway through day 1 of Rocks even, but it was never this incredibly blatant!!! Also, powerwolving done was in pursuit of hard pushing town flips through, not hard-defending mafia partners; significant difference!! That's literally always been a major point in GH's powerwolf play!!!

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i mean, fair enough and good on you for having the correct read there. i’m just not really sure what the point of you harping on this is. gh is dead and he’s not coming back

i will say i'm not really 'convinced' that cuth/monty are wolves

logic def feels like more of one but i guess those fellas are in the poe instead

i don’t wanna be annoying so like, if you wanna press visor on the gh push i’m not gonna stop you. i’m just not really there though

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Originally Posted by Maple

Make it competitive and tell me why we don't end on monty for a reason other than "logic deserves to die more"

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well monty is making posts and logic is not

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Originally Posted by Hally

i mean, fair enough and good on you for having the correct read there. i’m just not really sure what the point of you harping on this is. gh is dead and he’s not coming back

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also it felt that blatant to me and they were hard defending mafia partners (interspersed with a bit of doubt thrown in occasionally to muddy the waters again)

but it was basically, token doubt to yep lock town

repeating pattern

regardless again, he's dead. i dont think it was a necessarily a bad read to make (though it was wrong) given his recent games but it is what it is. there were areas i coulve got there on him but didnt and it doesnt matter anymore cause hes dead

i guess that’s another way to say “logic deserves to die more”

but uh, that seems like a good enough reason to me

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Originally Posted by Hally

i guess that’s another way to say “logic deserves to die more”

but uh, that seems like a good enough reason to me

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yes

i am just worried about the last two

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Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan

Final Tally

:skull: 7 Csargo (Sunbae, Arapocalypse, Hally, Montmorency, GeneralHankerchief, ColonelLubriderm, Maple)

5 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Visor, Manasi, Ephemeral, Esooa)

3 Raskolnikov (pzelda, Cuthillius, Dolby)

2 Esooa (Csargo, dyachei)

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Csargo wagon has been discussed already, feel least good about Montmorency, and Maple, with a side dish covered in aluminum of ColonelLubriderm!!! Probably will get around to talking about Maple today!

The Raskolnikov wagon could actually be somewhat interesting? Were either of Cuth/Dolby around at EoD 1? Might dig that up if no one remembers!! Wagonomics in general I guess... though I don't think much has changed since EoD 2, also is tricky because of presences/absences at EoD 1!!

Esooa wagon was exactly w/v, don't have much to say on that; dya was also not present at EoD!!!

1. Visor
2. Montmorency
3. Cuthillius
4. Ampharos
5. Sunbae
6. GeneralHankerchief
7. Hally
8. Csargo
9. Arapocalypse
10. Esooa
11. Dolby (Logic)
12. pzelda
13. Manasi
14. ColonelLubriderm
15. dyachei
16. Maple
17. Ephemeral

Feels like far fewer players are alive than there actually are.

11/17 alive,

8 vs 3

PR
PR
Any
VT
VT
VT
VT
VT


PR
PR
Goon (?)

So 6/5 split reads

hally
eph
ara
esooa
manasi

vs

visor
monty
cuth
logic
bop

is my current overall feelz

Hard claiming not a resurrectionist, no idea why the point about GH being dead already is trying to be emphasized here!!!

Quick thoughts: how easy do you think the game currently is? On say, a scale of 1-10?

Also, how easy do you think games generally are? I had half a post typed out on this last night, but lost it in tabs so sorry that's all you're getting!!

obviously not ordered

actually the town is ordered

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Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

Csargo wagon has been discussed already, feel least good about Montmorency, and Maple, with a side dish covered in aluminum of ColonelLubriderm!!! Probably will get around to talking about Maple today!

The Raskolnikov wagon could actually be somewhat interesting? Were either of Cuth/Dolby around at EoD 1? Might dig that up if no one remembers!! Wagonomics in general I guess... though I don't think much has changed since EoD 2, also is tricky because of presences/absences at EoD 1!!

Esooa wagon was exactly w/v, don't have much to say on that; dya was also not present at EoD!!!

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They were both present, Dolby maybe moreso than Cuth?

On one hand I sort of want to put down a light not w/w read on this, but on the other... it's very light and since I'm not keeping track of them this game much I'll forget anyways!! :p

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Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

Quick thoughts: how easy do you think the game currently is? On say, a scale of 1-10?

Also, how easy do you think games generally are? I had half a post typed out on this last night, but lost it in tabs so sorry that's all you're getting!!

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seeing that all we've done is resolve a d1 so far this game, can't really say one way or another yet

we're down an important pr already which sucks, so we're probably behind

Can you talk about how Cuth and Manasi fit into the readlist/sides?