Sigurd have you made more of an effort than just contacting CR and Sasaki, if Sigurd is a potential threat give him a task to fail so we now he's guilty or do which would stop him doing any harm..
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Sigurd have you made more of an effort than just contacting CR and Sasaki, if Sigurd is a potential threat give him a task to fail so we now he's guilty or do which would stop him doing any harm..
I find it incredulous Sigurd, masterful player that he is, could be this far in the game and not have a group of people he's working with, much less not even been a part of any group.
Also, he didn't contact me, I contacted him. Unfortunately no others besides Sigurd said they could help.
CR
As you surely recall from the last game he FBI detective could indeed find the Don. And that was in he last game. Jimbob mentioned that you'd been investigated twice hinting at a new feature.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
As I recall from our pm conversation when I tried to get you to join a protection group you "promised nothing" and said it would "depend on the people". It that people who didn't show up were right up your ally.
I would like to post a correction to JimBob's list of mafia members. I was the one who gave him the evidence about TruePraetorian. That evidence was based on something that was written in the N6 write-up. Seamus has confirmed to me that he made an error in that part of the write-up. Accordingly, the reason I had to suspect TruePraetorian is invalid. I see no reason to believe that he is mafia and I consider him to be a trustworthy townie. Apologies for the confusion.
Some Comments:
The posting of screen shots or their use in private communication are always illegal, even of the thread itself -- except if you're posting a screenie SOLELY to me. I can screw up my own game, but I can't really cheat in it.
Griz' may have edited a vote -- CR, certainly seems to believe so -- which I have stated I would "wog" for. I am, as always, loathe to remove someone from play.
Edit what you will, but NOT the vote itself. Put any changes in a new post.
Just to clarify and make sure the wrong person doesn't get the WoG, CR is claiming that Hiji edited his vote, not LittleGrizzly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
GeneralHankerchief is correct.
Crazed Rabbit
I will vote:abstain for now. i dont really mind if dg or Sig get lynched...but i doubt we can get a double..weve screwed up EVERY time so far...
I will also Select:JimBob for director..if we do get a double-lynch opportunity he is the only clear pro-town player..and we can be sure he will do the right thing.
There's been a lack of drame these last couple rounds. We need some controversy to fire things up a bit.
Actually it was little grizzly...what are you playing at GH? :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
I herd something about u.
Vote: Sigurd and Select: JimBob
I really hate to let Dutch_guy off yet another round, but if we can catch a Mafia Don we have to go for it.
I shall Select: JimBob before I forget. I didn't trust him before, but after Glenn's death, I think we can now.
Lynch Tally:
Dutch Guy:10 (Caius, Hiji,Craterus, Mak, CA, BSR, Charge, EMFM,T'blade, LittleGrizzly)
Sigurd: 10 (Kag,Xehh II,Sasaki, Scott,Tran, CR, Sarathos, Northnovas, TinCow, CowHead)
CR: 1 (shlin)
Abstain: 1 (Praetorian)
Director Tally:
Jimbob: 8 (Sasaki, Xehh II, Hiji, Scott, CR, Northnovas, TinCow, CA)
Tincow: 1 (Tran)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
EDIT: Fixed the tally
Select:Jimbob
I think the vote is good enough for now.
Caius hasn´t boldened his vote, IMHO it doesn´t count: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...11#post1838611Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
I´ll jump in his place.
vote: dutch guy
Select: JimBob
Lynch Tally:
Dutch Guy:10 (Hiji,Craterus, Mak, CA, BSR, Charge, EMFM,T'blade, LittleGrizzly, Haudegen)
Sigurd: 10 (Kag,Xehh II,Sasaki, Scott,Tran, CR, Sarathos, Northnovas, TinCow, CowHead)
CR: 1 (shlin)
Abstain: 1 (Praetorian)
Director Tally:
Jimbob: 8 (Sasaki, Xehh II, Hiji, Scott, CR, Northnovas, TinCow, CA)
Tincow: 1 (Tran)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Please check the tally again, to avoid disappointments later.
I almost forgot, Select:Jimbob. Known and trusted
CurrentTally:
Dutch Guy:10 (Hiji,Craterus, Mak, CA, BSR, Charge, EMFM,T'blade, LittleGrizzly, Haudegen)
Sigurd: 10 (Kag,Xehh II,Sasaki, Scott,Tran, CR, Sarathos, Northnovas, TinCow, CowHead)
CR: 1 (shlin)
Abstain: 1 (Praetorian)
Director Tally:
Jimbob: 10 (Sasaki, Xehh II, Hiji, Scott, CR, Northnovas, TinCow, CA, Haudegen ,Sarathos)
Tincow: 1 (Tran)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Haudegen - We should put Sigurd ahead on the tally. Especially since Caius' vote may count.Quote:
Originally Posted by Haudegen
Don't tie the vote up - lynch Sigurd. Get him at least several votes ahead.
CR
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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
Bolding a vote seems to be essential, regarding what Seamus wrote after the last day phase. Anyway I have pmed Seamus about this question, just to be sure.Quote:
4. Explanation Part Two: Having reviewed my rules, as well as the customs of the Gameroom, I am forced to list Sarathos’ vote for Xdeathfire in post #2065 as a valid vote. That post, which even noted a reason valid within the context of the then-current discussion to support that vote, was properly bolded, formatted, and never subsequently changed. Despite his own protestation that his first vote had been for Dutch_guy (see post #2076) which was correct, the Capo rules do not invalidate any vote that fails to use the “unvote” format and the customs of the Gameroom and of this game have been to accept a change of vote merely by the imposition of a properly bolded vote for a new name. Once properly listed I will count it until changed -- even if ill considered. This produces the count above.
Even if we get only one of them at the end, it´d be ok, IMHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
I´m hoping for some townies to prevent any sabotages, that are likely to come from Dutch guy or Sigurd. I for one won´t be online when the phase ends. But some of our noble townies hopefully will be.
And with a two way tie, there will be less confusion than last time.
I say we put sigurd 1 vote ahead...he can tie it if he wants to :) and his partners can save him by voting dutch guy if they wish...they'd reveal themselves in the process though. Ideally someone will be around at deadline to make sure it stays a tie though.
Sounds good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
unvote dutch guy
Lynch Tally:
Dutch Guy:9 (Hiji,Craterus, Mak, CA, BSR, Charge, EMFM,T'blade, LittleGrizzly)
Sigurd: 10 (Kag,Xehh II,Sasaki, Scott,Tran, CR, Sarathos, Northnovas, TinCow, CowHead)
CR: 1 (shlin)
Abstain: 1 (Praetorian)
Mafia status as of N6:
--Stracchi. Don: Omanes A. (dead), Luca: Dutch Guy, Made: Andres (dead), Former associated wise guy: LouisVI, associated wise guy or made: Tran (according to Louis, Omanes, and JimBob). Calling Card: Pink ballet slippers. Victims: Drisos (detective, N1), Pannonian (wise guy, N3), Motep (N5), Louis VI (N6), attempted hits on GH (N2, N3) and Proletariat (N4, possible Don).
--Corleone. Don: Sigurd (according to JimBob's contacts), Luca: Unknown, Made: Tiberius of the Drake (dead), several unknown associated wise guys. Calling Card: Weather balloons and religious paraphernalia. Victims: Glenn (crusader?, N3), Beefy (townie, N3), The Stranger (townie, N3), GH (N4, wise guy), attempted hits on Glenn (N2) and Proletariat (N4, N5, N6?, possible Don).
--Tataglia. Family member: Makayane (according to JimBob's contacts)
--Barzini.
--Cunnio.
Yellow rose group (whichever family it may be). Don: Unknown, Luca: Unknown, Made: Unknown, associated wise guys if any unknown. Calling Card: Yellow rose and a preference for explosives. Victims: Zorg (wise guy, N3), Moros (N4, wise guy or wolf-type character), Lt. Pinard (N6), possible attempted hit on Proletariat (N4).
Italian Destiny group (whichever family it may be). Don: Unknown, Luca: Unknown, Made: Unknown, associated wise guys if any unknown. Calling Card: an Italian phrase (destiny is inexorable). Victims: Kamikhaan (N5), ajaxfetish (N6).
Other possible calling cards: A black rose was left with Chimpyang's corpse (N5). A white rose was dropped by CR's attempted assailant (N6).
The Stracchi's managed additional hits nights 5 and 6, with both Omanes and Andres dead. I'm assuming Dutch Guy was one of the killers, but he'd need an accomplice, so it's likely Tran is in action along with DG. Louis is clearly not acting in conjunction with the remnants of the family (as they offed him night 6).
Tonight it seems the Corleone's were either inactive (shocker!) or were responsible only for the attempted hit on Prole (as syringes were involved). Might some of their members have been victims in recent nights?
The Tataglia have responded to the Corleones' call for truce, according to TosaInu's second relayed communication.
Omanes suspected Sigurd to be the don of the Barzinis, JimBob is sure he is the don of the Corleones.
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Musings:
xdeathfire and twilightblade have both fled to the police immediately after being attacked (xdeath on N1, twilight on N5). They may have a similar role, and this action would seem to suggest it's a pro-town one.
Lone killers with calling cards or consistent modi operandi
--.577 Webley. A rogue killer of unknown motivation. A single individual using the same weapon shot both Kommodus (N4, luca) and Woad&Fangs (N5).
--King of Hearts. Another lone killer is operating, using knives and leaving King of Hearts playing cards. He participated in killing Woad & Fangs (N5) and Louis VI (N6). In both cases he was not the only killer involved (the .577 Webley guy also targeted Kommodus and the Stracchis also targeted Louis), yet in both cases each of the killers seemed surprised the other was there. This knife wielder has left the words 'dead rat' and 'traitor' on the cards he has left behind, so may be a mafia-aligned character whose objective is killing those who turn on the mafia from within. This is clearly the case for Louis, though Kommodus story is less clear. There is nothing I know of publicly to suggest Kommodus has betrayed his family. However, Sasaki has had access to mafia investigation results (until recently, it seems) and it has been stated in the thread that Kommodus hates playing mafia. Could he have been passing on his family's investigation results to Sasaki? If he were discovered doing so it would explain his killing as a mafia traitor, and his death would explain Sasaki's lack of recent investigation results. Would Sasaki care to confirm or deny this hypothesis?
CR's attack sounded like an attempted mafia hit, but with only one member getting in their orders on time.
Prole continues to be defended by a single individual (either a luca facing relentless but futile attempts on her life or a doctor who's found a seemingly-guaranteed target with which to achieve surgeon status).
Craterus also seemed to be defended by a single individual (I don't know if he had enough public likelihood of attack to justify a doctor's attention) and attacked by two (possibly a mafia group whose calling card just wasn't found).
Society for Creative Anachronism. The medieval connection here is getting weirder and weirder. First we have our holy trio (now down to just our director JimBob), then the Corleones take up religious themes in their killings, and now we have unknown dudes in full crusader getup killing people in the streets. Both a collection of 4 with black crosses and a lone gunman with a red cross targeted FactionHeir. They seemed not to be acting together, but the coincidence of two independent groups targeting the same victim and choosing to wear late medieval religiously-themed military costume is a little overwhelming. What's up with this kill?
My own death. Well, I lasted 6 nights in this my first mafia game, only to fall victim to the Italian Destiny group, whichever family it may be. I was pro-town, but I see no special reason why I was targeted. My night activity was lacklustre at best and my only significant contribution by day (besides voting) is summarizing the nights events and what we seem to know about the mafia families as of yet. This I can do whether I'm alive or dead. Perhaps I was just an easy kill as I seemed likely to be pro-town and unlikely to be protected. :shrug: Anyhow, it's a shame my trusty radio had to die with me, but good luck to my surviving neighbors. May the Fatlington mafia enjoy the cold sleep of the grave.
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Post-mortem results:
10 pro-town
Townie: Lord Winter, Beefy, taka, the Stranger, FahadI, killfr3nzy, Sapi, Xiahou
Detective: Drisos
Crusader?: Glenn
7 neutral
Wise Guy: Pevergreen, Hannibal, Pannonian, Zorg, GH, x-Danger, Moros (though Moros may be an unaffiliated mafia member)
3 mafia
Made: Tiberius (Corleone)
Luca: Kommodus (family unknown)
Don: Omanes (Stracchi)
Ajax
Dons can actually kill in vigilante groups while their family is still alive. They can also protect in these groups, although they have no protection value.
e.g. Don, T1 and T2 protect a player, Don is not counted as being involved so the group techincally only has two players in it.
I would advise going after Sigurd and/or Mayanakane. JimBob seems to be a trustworthy indvidual, so I see no reason for him to lie about this. After they are dead we can see how truthful he is being.
Thanks for the advice confirmed ex. Don, Omanes, I'm sure we all trust you......Quote:
Originally Posted by Omanes Alexandrapolites
I'm somewhat confused by all this as I'd just decided I did trust JimBob, and he now seems to be passing some rather dodgy 'reveals' around! It's already been shown that the result on TP wasn't actually a result but a mistaken interpretation of the story thread. And I'd just like to know IF there was a detective result on me saying 'guilty mafioso' from N3, why is it only getting revealed now - by strange coincidence the day after I vote to lynch Don Sasaki (with his oh so helpful Made) in this thread?
I still think JimBob is genuinely trying to be pro-town, but I'm worried he's been got at by some dodgy advisors.
(I can't claim I'd be a great loss to the town - no special role BS to dazzle you with - but if you are going to lynch me could someone at least spell my :daisy: name right?)
Are you sure? Seamus clearly said otherwise:Quote:
Originally Posted by Omanes Alexandrapolites
I´m sure Seamus didn´t tell the whole story about Dons here. But I don´t think he would blatantly lie.Quote:
A Don normally cannot kill opponents during a “night” phase, and must work through others. Normally, however, they appear as “innocent” if investigated by a detective or made, so they can camouflage themselves well. Even the FBI detective is unlikely to spot them. If the Don has lost all the other members of her/his family, they may perform 1 kill per “night” phase.
Omanes is dead. He cannot reveal any of the info that was in his pm.
However, if he would be lying, he isn't technically revealing.
Omanes would never break the rules of a game.
Draw your own conclusions.
PROLETARIAT
Is in no way providing an explanation for her constant, inpenetrable protection!
She is not even showing surprise at her brilliant luck!
Now, we KNOW that for the first few rounds she was constantly trying to lynch people who are now confirmed innocents.
GeneralHankerchief being one of them.
I don't like accusing someone of being a Don simply because they had only one protector - but if anyone were to be a don, it would be;
PROLETARIAT
On a simpler note - I was right about Kommodus!
Oh, I told you all to be careful, but ooooooooh no, no Kommodus has Holmes!
Kommodus would never be Mafia, Kommodus HATES being Mafia, besides, Holmes can only be used to detect Mafia!
Mafia wouldn't detect themselves now would they Glenn?
Nooooooooo.
Perhaps I wasn't simply accusing everyone of everything.
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Oh, and just so everyone can be sure - some Mafia might like to dress up in Mediaeval style - but they are in no way Crusaders..
But I am grateful for the death of FactionHeir.
I would like to say a warm, "I hope you burn", to Faction Heir.
I will not go down without at least a little fight.
When contacting Sasaki, he gave me these names for me to work with.
Kamikhaan
Cowhead
Hiji
Kamikhaan and Cowhead both confirmed that they worked with Sasaki.
I expressed my concern that the town was falling quick behind in the effort of getting rid of the mafia and basically asked if he had any vig groups. He said that he didn’t think it would be a point to vigging.
I thanked him for turning me out gently and made a point of contacting the lurkers and try to organise something myself. This was about 20:52 - Sasaki read it 21:36 (All times in GMT+1)
Then I get a pm from CR at 21:41 asking me if I wanted to join a vig group on Dutch.
I accepted. There were a few exchanges of pms but it resulted in CR claiming he hadn’t been able to organise a thing and was sorry he couldn’t be of more help.
This last pm was sent to me at 03:44 and I didn’t read it (I was asleep) until it was too late to organise the lurkers.
What my thoughts are right now on what transpired? I believe Sasaki and CR prevented me from organising vig teams on my own. They clearly saw me as a major threat and cooked up some story to get me lynched.
I am asking you JimBob, do you trust your informant is a FBI agent? CR made a point that the real FBI agent would have contacted him. Well this FBI agent could be dead and hence not able to confirm or invalidate this claim.
Another point Jimbob… Do you have contact with the other detective? The one who got a criminal read on GH?
Vote:Crazed Rabbit
I know I am not Don Corleone and therefore vote the one person who aggressively claim this.
He claims I lie, but there is no difference in my explanation than his. We both agree that he contacted me, I said that I knew someone would block Dutch which is the truth. That he didn't is another matter all together.
So basically Sigurd, you just named Sasaki's town group for your mafia buddies to kill in the next night phase. To the extent of my knowledge (which isn't very far mind you) Sasaki has been proven innocent and didn't he go rogue detective? So I don't see the point of naming any names unless its the name of a proven Don, a.k.a. you
They could very well be mafiosi to my knowledge and should be revealed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarathos
If I was Don.. I would have known the identities of them and had them on my target list anyway.
Scummy post Sarathos. Why did you vote Xdeath last round?
Not sure about the rest of the post, but I agree here, Makanyane.Quote:
Originally Posted by Makanyane
Well, he actually asked me whether I knew some people for such an action but I declined, I thought he would likely find them elsewhere but apparently he couldn't. I would now rate this story as neutral as both your versions make sense and are consistent with our PMing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
Could be true or not, hard to say, but somewhat undermined by the fact CR asked me whether I knew someone for the vigilante group you wanted to set up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
Now that is a very important question, a bit more in the form of evidence instead of a list with some hearsay on it would be nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
Apart from that, I'll
Vote: dutch_guy