OOC Thread

Congrats to Ramses and TLG for a game well played. :bow:

And congrats to EF for his strategic loyalty shift. Your vote ensured that the Chancellor would be impeached. I'd love to hear what got you to jump ship. :D

While Guillemot was fun, I'm not very sad to see him go. I tried my best to prosecute a believable and fun civil war. I am happily anticipating a somewhat quieter and more peaceful role in the real game.

Also, congrats to House Gascony for putting up with my "drill sargeant" attitude. :laugh4:

And, congrats to everyone for putting work into this and making sure the real game will go a little smoother because of our efforts. :bow:

Last but not least, congrats to TC for writing a cool backstory and interesting characters. :2thumbsup:

I don't think Philip acted as he would have in a real game because I felt a certain obligation to make forced moves towards testing the rules base, but ultimately we got a decent idea what some of the problem areas would be. I still have this question regarding the army refill situation:

Philip's troops were given away, resulting in the Chancellor being forced to recruit new troops for him (Or forgo all recruitment). The Chancellor recruits those men at various places all over France, right before Philip becomes involved in a civil war (Ending the obligation for future turns). On the next turn what is the Chancellor's obligation as far as getting those troops to Philip, and what are Philip's powers over them. For example:

1. Can Philip move those men for himself during his time with the save? They are not a part of his army, nor have they ever been, they're just technically men who are meant to refill his royal army. If Philip can move them on his own, can he attack with them? Can he give them away or move them anywhere he wants?

2. Can the Chancellor move them effectively at will, even if this results in them being in the same province as the King's enemies and thus available to be taken over and/or attacked? The 'must refill' rule seems purposeless then, except for mercenaries, and we might want to reword it so that the refill takes place when the avatar in question reaches a training facility or new mercenaries.

3. Can the owner of the province in which they were recruited sieze them before they're moved to refill Philip? What consequences would this have for the Chancellor's obligation, if any?

4. If standing orders leave no facilities available for recruitment, can mercenaries be hired into the armies of nearby generals, neutral or allied, and then taken to give to Philip? Can those mercs be siezed before they're pulled for Philip?

I think there was another fairly minor issue, but since I have a feeling there will be a lot of demands to refill private/royal armies, these issues may become fairly common and important.

It was fun PK. I think our scenario strained a bit under the actual characteristics of the avatars. I have to say, I'd also be a bit reluctant to submit my troops to an AI battle at this point. Hopefully something like a MP fight could be worked out. I'm also a little wary of the feudal structure at this point, but I think that will sort itself out as we play. We could even have a massive in game shift in the political structure towards a different set of requirements for ranks. I can see how that might be interesting.

edit: BTW if you checked the save and saw my somewhat odd move, my idea for Philip was to move him to Marsellies, have the friendly Chancellor hire/build him a ship, and start a war with Spain. That way either Guillemot recalls some men, or some more realisitic territorial bribes are available to Guillemot's vassals, or maybe Spain gets it's act together and mounts a real offensive. Either way Gascony is involved in a two front war.

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Congrats to everyone involved!

Wets my appetite for the real game!


To conclude our little story, I say Raoulet and Guillemot got bored of all the internal strife and ended up on a quest to conquer all the important slave ports of the Mediterranean... to add HUGE tracts of land to France of course!




Ok so I admit being quite single-minded lately :embarassed: ....

Guillemot's plan was to assassinate the King so Louis could get his Chancellorship back. :2thumbsup:

If that didn't work, he was just going to pull back to Gascony and do a scorched earth campaign starting with Dijon.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

I declare the Test Game over.

I will be out of town from Thursday through Saturday next week, so I don't want to start the new game before then. However, we need some time to get the last bits done anyway. If you have comments about the current state of the rules, I urge you to bring them up now. Once the game starts, we'll need to use Amendments to change the rules, so it gets far more difficult.

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Good to hear that. I'll be gone all weekend and almost feared there would be a game up and running by the time I returned. Not that I wouldn't have minded it starting, say Tuesday. :beam:

Looking forward to it. Might just try to abolish some of the rules I helped create, before it starts. :2thumbsup:

Actually, I was considering pushing Gascony back to its lands, maybe take Toulouse, and then simply give you the war with Spain and the Moors you wanted and the troops to wage it if you called off the civil war.

It was in Raoulet's character and he knew both he and Philip were too old to cling to power.

Or maybe I'm just a nice guy :clown:

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Originally Posted by The Lemongate

Actually, I was considering pushing Gascony back to its lands, maybe take Toulouse, and then simply give you the war with Spain and the Moors you wanted and the troops to wage it if you called off the civil war.

It was in Raoulet's character and he knew both he and Philip were too old to cling to power.

Or maybe I'm just a nice guy :clown:

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Toulous was going to be my "Alamo". I was going to have PoT and Deguerra dump their troops in the castle after the election so the Chancellor couldn't disband them. Then have Ig and I do a fighting withdrawal back to Toulouse after destroying every building in Dijon. If we could whack the King on the way, we would.

The objective was to make it so much trouble to take, that it would just be better to accept a "status-quo" return. :D

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Originally Posted by The Lemongate

To conclude our little story, I say Raoulet and Guillemot got bored of all the internal strife and ended up on a quest to conquer all the important slave ports of the Mediterranean... to add HUGE tracts of land to France of course!

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You know I just caught that joke... :laugh4:

Yes, if there was one thing Guillemot and Raoulet could agree on, it was the need to conquer all of North Africa... for the glory of France of course... ;)

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Originally Posted by The Lemongate

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If I wasn't afraid of being slapped with so many warning points, that it would have caused my expulsion from the .Org, I would have posted those IC PM's between Guillemot and Poitevin...

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I think now I understand somewhat how Ramses felt when Fritz died. I would not have been sad if Guillemot met his end in the battle of the Rhine. ^_^

Heh! When you get somebody who, due to no developments of your own, is already a pretty thorough ******* there's certainly still fun and intrigue to be had, but there's a... residue as well. Feels good to shake it off afterward. I understood Fritz, even sympathized to some extent, but I'm also really glad to be out of his head.

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Originally Posted by Ramses II CP

Heh! When you get somebody who, due to no developments of your own, is already a pretty thorough ******* there's certainly still fun and intrigue to be had, but there's a... residue as well. Feels good to shake it off afterward. I understood Fritz, even sympathized to some extent, but I'm also really glad to be out of his head.

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I think I know how you feel. I had Guillemot written for me and a mission directive to instigate a civil war. While it was certainly... interesting to play a character with such moral ambiguity, I often felt like I needed a shower afterwards. :clown:

Ramses, you certainly managed to keep Fritz a believable and even sympathetic character, enough that chivalrous Andreas could respect him. :yes:

Sorry, I wasn't very helpful or active. Honestly, I really didn't know what I was doing and was sure of what to do most of the time. I always read the threads, but wasn't sure what to post, so I decided to stay quiet. At least now I think I've got a little better grasp of what's going on.

Good luck with the actual game everyone! I'll still be hanging around, ready with a "that's what she said" or some creepy remark that makes you all question my sexual orientation.

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Originally Posted by gibsonsg91921

Good luck with the actual game everyone! I'll still be hanging around, ready with a "that's what she said" or some creepy remark that makes you all question my sexual orientation.

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The future of our PBEM rests in your hands, gibsonsg91921. :beam:

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Originally Posted by gibsonsg91921

Good luck with the actual game everyone! I'll still be hanging around, ready with a "that's what she said" or some creepy remark that makes you all question my sexual orientation.

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your assuming that we care what your sexual orientation is.

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Originally Posted by Zim

Ramses, you certainly managed to keep Fritz a believable and even sympathetic character, enough that chivalrous Andreas could respect him. :yes:

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Thanks Z. :beam:

As long as no one is oriented such that they desire fictitious, pseudo-historical online avatars it's no matter to me. :laugh4: :clown:

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I wanted to say that I liked how the threads were set up.

I really liked the SOT. It forces us to be active and involved if we want control over our avatars and their resources. I'd like to hear from OK if it helped the Chancellor do his job.

It was nice that we moved the save dl/ul messages to the Chancellor thread. Though there was occasional "chatting" in the Chancellor thread it was kept to a minimum.

And it was nice that we moved the dl/ul messages out of the OOC thread and turned it into a pure "chat" thread.

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

And congrats to EF for his strategic loyalty shift. Your vote ensured that the Chancellor would be impeached. I'd love to hear what got you to jump ship. :D

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the fact that my character had the traits 'very disloyal' and 'underhanded' along with a generous offer from the King. Sorry for not acting on that Ramses, free time is ridiculously short at the moment, shouldn't be typing this right now actually...

Absolutely, if EF's avatar had at any point broken his oath he was going to get Marsellies. I'd also offered Ajaccio, but since it was captured we were rather up in the air on the rest of it. The idea would've been for EF's avatar to start up a new House in the south to rival Gascony and to try to draw off the lower ranked Gascons, including my son. I would've funded this expansion via conquest in Germany.

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