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No kidding i loath catelyn shes an imbecile. I want either robb back or brann + legs. Robb was an under discussed character i would have enjoyed reading from the pov though he seems a bit too pure. Then again he appeared to be a military genius and a formidable warrior. And bran with legs would create and interesting power dynamic up north.
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It always seemed obvious to me Robb and Joffrey would be killed off, otherwise why didn't the story focus on them more? Robb's another character I didn't feel we got to know at all, he comes across as the Richard the Lionheart of the tale, but he's treated like a secondary character while we get Sansa moping around court and Catelyn... you know I don't even remember what she was doing. I guess it's the boring chapters that make those involving the interesting characters that much better. I just wish he'd stop teasing us, making us think Arya's going to find her wolf again...
Anyway, it's nearly 3:30 am, I should go to bed as I start work in 3 1/2 hours, but I'm thinking that time would be better spent reading the start of Feast for Crows than sleeping...
06-23-2011, 03:29
Centurion1
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john the things you say just make me lol and lol. Come talk to me when you have read all of it and we will have a nice little chuckle!
06-23-2011, 03:36
Hooahguy
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I just finished book 3, and I really dont get all the hate for Catelyn. I think shes a great character.
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She is someone who is trying to subdue her grief so she can be the best mother/advisor to Robb that she can be.
I find her releasing Jaime an interesting thing. Yes, strategically it was dumb, but when you think about it, its not so bad. She thought that her only hope for getting her girls back was releasing him.
Now think of this: you lost your husband, and (or so you thought) your two youngest boys. Your eldest son is a general, and he could die in battle. Where does that leave you? With two daughters. The problem is, one of them is in Kings Landing, the other is MIA.
If I was in Catelyn's position, I would do anything possible to get Sansa back, at the very least.
06-23-2011, 03:44
Centurion1
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I just finished book 3, and I really dont get all the hate for Catelyn. I think shes a great character.
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She is someone who is trying to subdue her grief so she can be the best mother/advisor to Robb that she can be.
I find her releasing Jaime an interesting thing. Yes, strategically it was dumb, but when you think about it, its not so bad. She thought that her only hope for getting her girls back was releasing him.
Now think of this: you lost your husband, and (or so you thought) your two youngest boys. Your eldest son is a general, and he could die in battle. Where does that leave you? With two daughters. The problem is, one of them is in Kings Landing, the other is MIA.
If I was in Catelyn's position, I would do anything possible to get Sansa back, at the very least.
she was the spark that lit off the powder keg of war.
06-23-2011, 03:50
Hooahguy
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she was the spark that lit off the powder keg of war.
Do you blame her? She got what she thought was credible information on who ordered the attempted murder of Bran, and she acted on it.
I would do the same. She had no idea that it would lead to the War of the Five Kings.
06-23-2011, 04:06
Centurion1
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tbh. no. no i would not. Not if i was essentially the most powerful woman in the entire north of the kingdom of westeros the daughter of the river lord and the sister of the widow of the eyrie. And then to add on top of that my husband is the hand of the king with my two daughters in the capital with only a hundred or so loyal retainers. No i would think about the rest of my family and consider the fates of all the people under my control. barring that i would at least take care of tyrion properly rather than botch it completely.
06-23-2011, 04:46
johnhughthom
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tbh. no. no i would not. Not if i was essentially the most powerful woman in the entire north of the kingdom of westeros the daughter of the river lord and the sister of the widow of the eyrie. And then to add on top of that my husband is the hand of the king with my two daughters in the capital with only a hundred or so loyal retainers. No i would think about the rest of my family and consider the fates of all the people under my control. barring that i would at least take care of tyrion properly rather than botch it completely.
A war was brewing anyway. You're being too harsh on Cat. Her actions weren't always laden with forethought, but the negatives are ultimately pretty trivial and she made a lot of good calls in assisting Edmure and Robb (though they didn't always listen to her).
EDIT: @johnhughthom
If I wasn't too lazy to get CK working I'd play that. :3 Instead I'll wait for CK2...
06-23-2011, 09:57
econ21
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I have only read the first book but the TV series seems to take Catelyn in a somewhat different direction in the end. Maybe I missed something in the book or maybe it will come in season 2 of the series, but was Catelyn's "We will kill them all" line to Robb added? In the end of book 1, she tries to push for peace. In the book, she also recognises her error in trying to seize Tyrion and precipitating war. I don't recall her almost braining Jaime with a rock either.
I think Catelyn's a rather interesting character regardless - a good person who makes some bad choices and is constrained by her honour, rather like her husband. It was quite an unusual plot mechanic that she would cause things to go to hell by her action in seizing Tyrion. Typically, in stories, it's the evil people who precipitate the chaos. (Although no doubt things would have turned bad sooner or later regardless, with Ned's investigation into House Baratheon and the poisonous nature of the Lannisters.)
06-23-2011, 10:56
The Stranger
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I have only read the first book but the TV series seems to take Catelyn in a somewhat different direction in the end. Maybe I missed something in the book or maybe it will come in season 2 of the series, but was Catelyn's "We will kill them all" line to Robb added? In the end of book 1, she tries to push for peace. In the book, she also recognises her error in trying to seize Tyrion and precipitating war. I don't recall her almost braining Jaime with a rock either.
I think Catelyn's a rather interesting character regardless - a good person who makes some bad choices and is constrained by her honour, rather like her husband. It was quite an unusual plot mechanic that she would cause things to go to hell by her action in seizing Tyrion. Typically, in stories, it's the evil people who precipitate the chaos. (Although no doubt things would have turned bad sooner or later regardless, with Ned's investigation into House Baratheon and the poisonous nature of the Lannisters.)
in the finale of season one they put in some, or quite alot of stuff that actually happens in book 2. so i think thats why u dont recall. you probably havent read it yet.
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everything catelyn does goes against her, but tbh i think that if she thought it through a bit more she couldve foreseen half of those things. setting free the kingslayer, seizing tyrion (though it was more her sister who messed up there). sad thing is that whenever she does have a good idea, the other people dont listen XD
06-23-2011, 11:03
The Stranger
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No kidding i loath catelyn shes an imbecile. I want either robb back or brann + legs. Robb was an under discussed character i would have enjoyed reading from the pov though he seems a bit too pure. Then again he appeared to be a military genius and a formidable warrior. And bran with legs would create and interesting power dynamic up north.
i think that the author has to either A) kill off loads of POV characters or B) not introduce any new ones, because the style of his writing. A) he needs to do to keep the scale of the story down. B) would have the same effect but it would also mean nothing bad could happen to the POV characters or your story would end. There is also option C) and that is increase the size of the story, like Feist has done. he uses a similar POV style but for him its not so bad if in a book some of the characters dont get a prominent role because the size of the story is so big.
06-24-2011, 05:20
johnhughthom
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There is only one thing I want from future series' of Game of Thrones.
"A bear there was, a bear, a bear!
All black and brown and covered with hair!
The bear, the bear!"
Agreed. I keep trying to think of a good tune for that song but I cant think of anything so far.
06-26-2011, 08:16
johnhughthom
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Just finished book four. I can see where the differing opinions come from, I struggled to get into it for the first few hundred pages, after that it flowed as well as the first few books. I can imagine now how people who read it six years ago have been frustrated waiting for the next book, only five years overdue...
I'm off now to start again, if I time it right I should be finished in time for book five.
07-01-2011, 03:51
Hooahguy
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There really needs to be a M&B:W mod for ASOIAF.
07-01-2011, 04:07
Alexander the Pretty Good
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I think you mean the other way around. :P Though I'd still read it. Would the Starks be Rhodock or Swadian?
07-01-2011, 04:45
Hooahguy
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Haha sorry, I meant the other way around. Silly me.
The Rhodocks remind me of the Starks, the Swadians remind me of Lannister.
07-01-2011, 05:09
Centurion1
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goodness gracious this conversation again.....................
07-01-2011, 05:16
johnhughthom
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She needs much bluer eyes though. She is the daughter of the star of evenfall and catelyn stark remarks that she had stunning blue eyes in a clash of kings. Also martin states that he believes Brienne is well over 6 ft tall but not close to seven and significantly heavier than renly or jaime
07-09-2011, 00:20
Greyblades
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...While that isnt exactly model materiel, I cant realy say briene's actor is anywhere near as ugly as I expect the character to be.
07-09-2011, 02:53
Hooahguy
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I expect the character to be uglier than the actor.
07-09-2011, 03:21
econ21
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I expect the character to be uglier than the actor.
Yeah, there was an amusing newspaper article showing the actresses playing Ugly Betty in about 20 different countries[1]. They were all good looking.
[1]I was amazed so many countries had their own version of the show.
07-09-2011, 04:57
Centurion1
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lets all be honest that woman is attractive. she is legitimately attractive though her forehead is a little big. but we all know that they will make her up and if she is not huge as brienne is supposed to be they will cast her at angles and tr yto keep her in armor with a closed face helm whenever possible.
07-09-2011, 05:31
Crazed Rabbit
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Saw this over at TWC, meet Brienne.
Surely I can't have been the only one thinking someone more like actress Dot Jones; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0427963/
6'3", 15 time world arm wrestling champion.
That woman looks like a waif, and only 'ugly' in Hollywood.
CR
07-09-2011, 11:30
johnhughthom
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She's actually 6' 3 as well, supposedly GRRM himself said they auditioned "20 actresses and one Brienne" (the picture above being her).
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:No kidding i loath catelyn shes an imbecile. I want either robb back or brann + legs. Robb was an under discussed character i would have enjoyed reading from the pov though he seems a bit too pure. Then again he appeared to be a military genius and a formidable warrior. And bran with legs would create and interesting power dynamic up north.