That's boring.
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That's boring.
Get a life.
Not to me.
RESPECT ME AS A PERSON
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Originally Posted by Strike For The South
... Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
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Originally Posted by ICantSpellDawg
Essentially "make a desert and call it peace" (Tacitus) Crude but effective, not to mention expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
Is a compassionate response possible? What would it look like?
I have no answers to this, but I am interested in ideas.
We aren't angry, just a little dissapointedQuote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
One side is persuaded to agree unanimously to extend an olive branch and the other is persaded to unanimously accept it, and both sides let the anymosity drop. That's basically the only way it would work without needing a new enemy to direct feelings of hatred away from the two groups, getting them to express thier anymosity in a non damaging way, or killing one of the sides. It is nigh impossible to pull off on the national stage and you'd have to do it to every single conflict still ongoing.Quote:
What would it look like?
There are some scenarios that have been thought up in stories where one person or group gains the ire of every group in existance to the point where they eclipse any disagreement between the groups, then this pariah dies or commits suicide and the ire dies with him leaving a world that had been so enamoured with hatred for the pariah they have forgotten the hatred they had for eachother. Unfortunately it assumes that everyone will just get along in the aftermath, when most people left to thier own devices will most likely just end up starting new hatreds and in those stories the only guy who was smart enough to have a chance of keeping it in check is probably the same guy who died cleaning the slate.
That sounds oddly like Rene Girard's concept of the "scapegoat"; hardly a clean way out of the cycle of violence insofar as it requires violence to fuse the disagreeing/competing groups. As you say, peace will last only long enough for the "allies" to turn on each other. Repeat ad infinitum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
It is an impossible dream... even if the practicalities of it fall apart after the event I just don't know that it could ever even get to that point...
Just as two quick examples what would you have to do to get the Palestinians to hate the enemy so much they would work with Israel to fix a problem?
Also the Chechens with the Russians?
There is a nice scene in Independance day where you see the Palestinians and the Israelis working together (just a quick shot) but in reality even in these dire circumstances I expect plenty of nutters would be happy to see the world end on the basis their enemies will die as well...
TBH even speaking as a rich* educated* westerner who has had a nice lifestyle (and isn't religious) I can quite easily imagine situations where me (or me and my people) are treated so badly by others that I would be happy for humanity to be wiped out on the basis it means they will suffer just as much as me rather than the present unfair situation where we are punished and they live in relative peace.
*That is in comparison to those living in very harsh places, I am not particularly rich for a westerner (in fact the opposite) and my education does not greatly exceed the state minimums.
I would say the Palestinians "need" the Israeli's and vice versa. The fear of the other fuses the unity of each group; much like the US/USSR before the collapse of the USSR.