04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread

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Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan

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American Vandal

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Oh fuck it's got that bro guy from youtube in it!

I'll watch the first episode right now

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also, I can't be the only one uncomfortable with the huge amount of references to an ongoing game on another site, right?

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Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan

This is the same thing choxorn did to newyn that I disliked cause it just feels fake, and masquerades as promoting productivity when it's actually completely unproductive

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I don't think I've read that when I first skimmed through the thread, but I'll bear that in mind.

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Originally Posted by Empoof

Barto what do you make of people so far?

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I'll tell you in ~200 posts' reading time.

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Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan

also, I can't be the only one uncomfortable with the huge amount of references to an ongoing game on another site, right?

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I legitimately don't know about this but yes, I'm now also uncomfortable.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

I'll tell you in ~200 posts' reading time.

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Good that should be about 1 episode.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

I don't know how but, a few months away from turning 30, I feel that i don't have the levels of insanity required to batshit-post my way through two games in stereo, so I'll take on this game as I do the 36/12s on MU. Out for the day in the summer heat, back home, concentrate on the thread a bit, then back into overnight horror film marathons. I just can't post 12 hours in a row as I did when Zack et al. first knew me.

OK, I'm parking my vote here for now. Be more constructive or else.

vote: Fable

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lol

(you're not incuding me to change my vote, Fable-san) :bow:

Now, tally with an unfortunate development highlighted in bold

Csargo (1): GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief (1): Zack Brannigan
El Barto (3): Empoof, ladd, Montmorency
ladd (1): Egix
Newyn (1): Choxorn
Choxorn (1): Newyn
Cuthillius (1): Insaner
Fable (1): El Barto

With the other 7 not voting.

That's the thread skimmed, let's go for a deeper read.

Unvote, Vote: choxorn

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Mod Note:
@Montmorency @Csargo @El Barto @Choxorn @Zack Brannigan @GeneralHankerchief @Logic @dyachei @pzelda @Fable @ladd @Cuthillius @Egix @Newyn @Empoof @Insaner @merl1n

yes sorry for the tags.

Please do not reference any ongoing games on any site. Finished games are fine, but not ongoing.

Thanks.

Somebody was asking earlier about ISOs. This is the closest we've got: the ‘Who's posted?’ feature.

A few thoughts:

I was a little surprised by how... seriously? my initial post was taken. Likely the effect of phase length stuff, but It was an early game post mostly getting a very specific thought out onto metaphorical paper, with a bit of a read attached. Not really intended as a huge talking point/reaction test, but, well, here we are. As things turned out, I've been watching what people say about it with curiosity.

I think Zack's reaction was very villagery; I think people who know my general posting style would tend to classify that as villagery just by virtue of fitting into the sort of free-flowing off-the-hip type of play I settle into more often as a villager (as wolf, I gravitate towards playing a more... classical game, I'd say?). That said, it's also a very small sample size and not accompanied by any of the signs that normally come with it, that being more of a general indicator valid across a larger subset of posts, so the backpedal makes complete sense-- I think he'd be more likely to pick one view and stick with it as a wolf unless he's a level higher than I think is likely in this case. /shrug

I think Monty has a very dim view of my play (rather understandable, given my showing in past games on the Org, but I don't especially care for the way he went about his comment-- was along the lines of "yeah that looks like the sort of analysis he'd make but normally he's defending himself at the same time". Which, alright, fair. But taken as an analysis post in the traditional sense my post is garbage. Several people had, as far as I could tell, the interpretation that I was implying something relating "safeness" and alignment/that there have to be x number of people in category for no reason/whatever else when there wasn't really much overarching structure other than basically two separate readslists containing everyone I'd personally formed an opinion, however significant or insignificant, on. There are people whose approach reads into how I see their play, but that's not the case with others. What Monty's post looks like is a "yes that is a bad analysis post but you know it's normal". I can't hold either opinion against him as such, but it seems a bit, oh, passive. It takes the image of the post and grafts it onto this tree of experience without any visible effort towards... weighing the post? It takes it seriously in the context of me making relatively nonsensical posts, and just sort of stops there. I'd have a lot less issue if it was more like "no that's not really a legit analysis post, but you know cuth". Don't think I'm really conveying my meaning very well, but.

Vote: Montmorency

Insaner. I've been holding back and watching, trying to figure out what exactly his approach is. Posts seemed very standard middle of the road affair (not that there's anything wrong with that) off the bat, but he mentioned enjoying playing with wolfy and that seemed to present a slightly different picture (again not to denigrate that, I just think those pools of people don't overlap entirely most of the time), and I didn't feel like I had a grasp on what the game was to him very well until more recently. My inclination here is villager, because he doesn't really seem like the sort of person to be a very confident wolf who takes the initiative in a setting like this with most iterations of the player list. Things like pushing hard on me w.r.t. Logic, saying I'm obviously caught. Falls into the pool of people taking my initial post seriously (traditionally? don't know if serious is the right word here), perhaps in this case more "seriously" than anyone else. Creates an inconsistency out of nowhere but also not nowhere from certain viewpoints, and pursues it. I think he's been going out of his way to interact with people and figure them out, and as far as I can tell it's more likely to be coming from a villager in most worlds. No prior experience though, so who knows.

I can see the appeal to merl1n's early stuff, but I think it's being given a pass too much on some fronts just because BeginnerForumMafia, which is lazy/easy to take advantage of.

I think Empoof would take advantage of the open gamestate more as a wolf, have the feeling that his holding back and being tentative is somewhat villagery.

Cuth is town here.

People giving merlin a free pass, what if he's some secret alt that's not actually new? Would you still town read them then?

OK, a few thoughts from a Barto that really needs Focusyn but won't take it so that the John Carpenter film that's about to start can actually disable my remaining neurons and make me fall asleep before 5 a.m. for once in my sorry life.

There's a lot of players whom I cannot read (ladd, Egix, dyachei -mostly-, Insaner, Empoof, merl1n, Fable -mostly-) because I haven't played with them -well, dyachei and Fable a bit, but it's been ages. So I'll play it by ear.
There's something weird there.

Zack's being aggressive and his read on me seems to have caused an interesting chain reaction from easy bandwaggoners (notice how *he* isn't voting me ;))…

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Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan

This is the same thing choxorn did to newyn that I disliked cause it just feels fake, and masquerades as promoting productivity when it's actually completely unproductive

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… and then you voted Choxie, at least, but Fable's reaction makes me still suspect him.

newyn/Choxorn's N/A for now but only because it's D1. I've seen mafia duos get by with mutual tunnelling before.

GH's stopping by to post an announcement that he cannot post is odd.

Cuth… my x-postspidey sense tells me that's the real Cuth, at least he's solving, leave alone for now.

Monty… I think he tried to defend me? Odd. But then he voted for me (post #193) without even saying why, just jumping on the bandwaggon. I cannot take earlier D1 votes as terribly serious but Monty's I can because he does a lot of analysis and then plonks down the vote on me. Ty Monty and vote:Montmorency (Fable, get active, man). Counterwaggon roll, choo-choo!

Has anybody seen pzelda? He's the only one not posting.

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Originally Posted by Newyn

Cuth is town here.

People giving merlin a free pass, what if he's some secret alt that's not actually new? Would you still town read them then?

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Sure?

I'm a bit puzzled by the amount of pushback there. His posts are fine and it's only halfway through d1 anyways, what's the crisis here exactly?

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Originally Posted by Newyn

Cuth is town here.

People giving merlin a free pass, what if he's some secret alt that's not actually new? Would you still town read them then?

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I specifically wrote this down on Notepad while doing the vote tally:
‘Page 3: post #77 by merl1n wtf is this oh he's a RL mafia player’

Anyway, it's John Carpenter time, see you in a RL day or a bit less.

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Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan

Sure?

I'm a bit puzzled by the amount of pushback there. His posts are fine and it's only halfway through d1 anyways, what's the crisis here exactly?

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His posts are fine and it's halfway through d1. I don't think he deserves to be top of readslist level villagery is all.

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

His posts are fine and it's halfway through d1. I don't think he deserves to be top of readslist level villagery is all.

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I mean who else am I supposed to put there

Everyone agrees the most villagy person is me

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

think Monty has a very dim view of my play (rather understandable, given my showing in past games on the Org, but I don't especially care for the way he went about his comment-- was along the lines of "yeah that looks like the sort of analysis he'd make but normally he's defending himself at the same time". Which, alright, fair. But taken as an analysis post in the traditional sense my post is garbage. Several people had, as far as I could tell, the interpretation that I was implying something relating "safeness" and alignment/that there have to be x number of people in category for no reason/whatever else when there wasn't really much overarching structure other than basically two separate readslists containing everyone I'd personally formed an opinion, however significant or insignificant, on. There are people whose approach reads into how I see their play, but that's not the case with others. What Monty's post looks like is a "yes that is a bad analysis post but you know it's normal". I can't hold either opinion against him as such, but it seems a bit, oh, passive. It takes the image of the post and grafts it onto this tree of experience without any visible effort towards... weighing the post? It takes it seriously in the context of me making relatively nonsensical posts, and just sort of stops there. I'd have a lot less issue if it was more like "no that's not really a legit analysis post, but you know cuth". Don't think I'm really conveying my meaning very well, but.

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You're going a bit too far. I was relating my meta of your style, not to the content as such. I don't really care about how good or bad the safety analysis might be because there couldn't have been much substance to it so early. So there wasn't anything more for me to add to that discussion. I don't have a dim view of your play. I'm not sure you've ever been scum on the Org for me to evaluate.

I'm glad to hear it confirmed I understand a little of your meta, though I'm surprised you're not breaking that post up.

Speaking of breaking up, our top priority should be to stress-test the nascent towncore. Someone step up.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

newyn/Choxorn's N/A for now but only because it's D1. I've seen mafia duos get by with mutual tunnelling before.

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Mutual, huh?

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Counterwaggon roll, choo-choo!

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A thunderdome for old time's sake? I'll pass.

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Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan

Everyone agrees the most villagy person is me

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They do? Well, in that case:

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Speaking of breaking up, our top priority should be to stress-test the nascent towncore.

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People trying to call merl1n not townie: why?

I def should watch watchmen series

completely forgot

also insaner - when you answered my question, I went back to see if you actually called cuth/gh wolfy, saw yiu did so I really didnt care to follow up more

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Speaking of breaking up, our top priority should be to stress-test the nascent towncore. Someone step up.

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What does this even mean

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Originally Posted by Zack Brannigan

What does this even mean

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I don't know! :laugh4:

I want to know if there is something that could make the Squad turn on each other, and if so, why.

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Originally Posted by El Barto

I specifically wrote this down on Notepad while doing the vote tally:
‘Page 3: post #77 by merl1n wtf is this oh he's a RL mafia player’

Anyway, it's John Carpenter time, see you in a RL day or a bit less.

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someone knows if this kind of "faking taking notes" stuff is in barto wolf range?

how do we stress test a towncore exactly

I'm not even adding insaner into it personally but I'm fine with zack calling him town and don't have anything really against him, the more he posts the more comfortable I end up feeling.

People are sorta halfheartedly calling me town, probably expecting me to do some of my fancy tells™ since I've been taking somewhat of a backseat/sideline approach.

Like, you don't have to agree with any towncore forming? I don't even think we've done any towncore-y things. We're just actually playing to game in a sea of people sorta just... not really playing. I can't read into any of that. There's probably been a wolf that's been active and playing, and it's probably someone like GH or ladd. Both of them are the type of players that are easier to read the longer the game goes. ladd's doing /fine enough even though I kinda feel not so comfortable about the slot for no real good reason.

Sidebar towncore would be like monty/cuth, cuth more than monty for me.

If you want to stress test anyone in the core it's gonna be me and there's basically zero chance that that'll be anything productive.

American Vandal is hilarious though for anyone wondering, I'm on episode 3 right now ZOOM

alrighty it's 5 am and i woke up for no reason so see ya later

fwiw I don't think monty paranoia abiut the villacore is villagery like some people are saying

also if barto is a wolf I think his pot shot at fable is >rand to be w/w. Not that I feel particularly good abiut barto being a wolf

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

I don't know! :laugh4:

I want to know if there is something that could make the Squad turn on each other, and if so, why.

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Let's all watch the fun. I don't even know what's going on anymore.

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Originally Posted by Choxorn

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Wait, who exactly are all the wolfy people going after Barto? Zack is the strongest pusher of him and you have Zack as one of your townreads.

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Had a chance to go look back through the thread again, and yeah, it's mainly been Zack and Empoof pushing Barto, as well as ladd, (so, 2 of Insaner's townreads and 1 scumread), with a few others occasionally mentioning him (and Monty's voting for him now, of course). Not really sure why Insaner thinks Barto is spewed town by "all these wolfy people" going after him. Ladd going after Barto certainly doesn't mean he can't be scum, or that those two couldn't be scumbuddies.

Actually, looking again, it's really just been Zack and Empoof with ladd sorta thinking he was wolfy but not strongly pushing him.

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Originally Posted by ladd

alrighty it's 5 am and i woke up for no reason so see ya later

fwiw I don't think monty paranoia abiut the villacore is villagery like some people are saying

also if barto is a wolf I think his pot shot at fable is >rand to be w/w. Not that I feel particularly good abiut barto being a wolf

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Is there anyone else you do feel particularly good about being a wolf? Does Barto still look like the wolfiest player to you?

I think what you said makes more sense with that assumption, because you took it seriously/traditionally and then handwaved. I'd be more charitably disposed towards you this game if you'd said yeah well you know you post all sorts of things because it'd be rather true and make a clear narrative.

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Originally Posted by Empoof

People trying to call merl1n not townie: why?

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I think Merlin is townie but if any experienced player had posted like he did, I'd probably still have a slight town read on them, just nowhere as high as people seem to have him now.

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Originally Posted by Newyn

I think Merlin is townie but if any experienced player had posted like he did, I'd probably still have a slight town read on them, just nowhere as high as people seem to have him now.

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Who do you think has been townier?