I don't like Oda, just love Hojo. ~:)
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I don't like Oda, just love Hojo. ~:)
well, in fact right now I am a Ronin...maybe should I switch ?? ~:confused:
btw, the toughest task seems to be as Ronin warlord...everybody will challenge him, too many battles to be played in few days. He needs a partner.
Could be quite right, but every clan needs 2 players. So it doesn't matter. just take the clan you like most.
yes I know. I still keep going on with Oda
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even if the statement that everybody hates Oda shocks me:
Mori is seeking a casus belli even without starting tha campaign???... ~:eek:
It appears to me everybody hates Imagawa since nobody has even considered playing as that faction yet. :)
Yup you're right ElmarkOfear.
Could be true elmo. I never played an Imagawa campaign. ~D
What if we find nobody? What should we do with the Imagawa?
Elmo...
First of all, Imagawa is a good clan for good players because its splited, but has good lands-So are the Takeda-.
And second, we do need your experienced decision about cutting off some clans if we lack players, I personaly think that will be the wrong thing to do.
The cutting off of clans makes it very hard to balance the campaign. Those who are near the cut-off clan will have a much easier time of it. However, I guess some basic ground rules could be established which would automate what a clan would do (given no human player). I will have to think about this while I am offline and see if there is a feasible way of doing this without adversely affecting the balance of the campaign. It would always be better to have 2 for each faction.
Let me think on this a bit. I have until August 1st, when I will be able to get online again and receive/send emails.
I think that pretty much summs it up.
Thank you ElmarkO
Hey,
Look over there..... it's an Elm tree! RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
~:eek: ~:eek: ~:eek: ~:eek: ~:eek: ~:eek: ~:eek:
-Zen Blade
Indeed it is.
Is spamming allowed?
Oh well I think it might get handy when we try to keep this thred going... ~:handball:
correct. but what should we talk about? ~DQuote:
Originally Posted by Gray
we can for instance PM all intrested to see if they're still. Wilbo is still there, but is rarely online here these days. Elmo will finish the movements soon I hope.
we should really get the last few needed players so we can start as soon as elmo is ready. we can try posting at totalwar.com totalwars.net totalrome.com and some clans board etc.
another idea is to let elmo play the R&R, that way we have one more player. then lord hornburg must pick another clan. of course we shouldn't force him to, but it would help. ~;)
hope we get this started somehow soon. ~:cheers:
These are some good ideas Drisos
Thanks gray.
then we should do them.
Lord hornburg, when you see this, please consider letting elmarko playing the rebels, so we can start earlier.
:bow:
Well Drisos, hows the PMing going? (:
do I hear a little bit sarcasm in that? ~:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray
I have few times these days, but I came with the idea so should do it too. OK.
:bow:
It is direct quoting of my exchange with Drisos in "Uesugi puzzle" thread. I'm not sure if I will get full responce there then I'd like to present my last answer here as well.
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Originally Posted by drisos
I challenge you. Go to the 'STW MP' forum. Check the 'Want to play an MP campaign?' thread. Join it. Good luck.
I consider myself Tactician. Too bad battles in the campaign are AI vs. AI. I wouldn't mind meeting you on the battlefield once.
Good idea... But I've got an impression - only weakest possible clan - like Imagawa - remains... And playing against Oda, Uesugi, Takeda AND Shimatsu in the same time is really scary thing... Not sure if I've got enough personal time for fighting onto 2 fronts simultaneously (amounts of my personal battles would raise pretty high....)
More then that - what about 3-sides battles like - Hojo hold Musashi and it is attacked from both sides (from Uesugi/Imagawa Shinano and Takedo Kia - simultaneously). What side will be alone on their bank of river? Who will decide it? I'm sure it would means - this side will be victorious in result - won't it?
What about "non-sporting" conduct - like Mori leader behavior in Sekigakhara battle? Is it allowed?
If it is - will Imagawa receive less penalty for this behavior (in other case playing as "treacherous Imagawa" is pointless)? What is penalty for the same behavior from "honest" Takeda or "monklike" Uesugi factions?
What about usual for Sengoku Jidai practice - backstab in midst of battle your ally and I will present you my bordering province for your ugly treason? Can I present you small amount of koku for your Ninja killing some important guy of third faction?
Must all factions receive "legendary Swordsman" event in the same time? Must Portuguese apeear in closest to them Shimazu lands in the same time with their appearance in farthest to them Uesugi lands?
I couldn't find answer on all these questions in pointed thread, then I must refuse till full clarification of procedure.
In the same time - if Imagawa leader will be allowed for "treacherous behavior" without actual punishment for these exploits (like possibility to bribe somebody for treason amidst battlefield, with almost sure punishment for the same things from "honest" factions),
or - for example - only Imagawa is allowed:
- to pay for intelligence information about third-party troops distribution in interesting provinces;
- to pay for assasination events on third-party guys;
- to make amphibious assault - via enemy ports where Imagawa spy residue) -
this clan leading would be - quite interesting task for me.
Please, give me your clarification about these thing and will try to show you - why "Snake hiss is more scaring then Lion roar" according to well-known Eastern saying.
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In other words - how much level of keeping RPG presentation will be allowed in proposed game? If it would be high enough, I'm ready to be Imagawa, if not - I'm not interested to keep weakest clan in the Game. (If some things is allowed to rascals, they mustn't to be allowed to White Knights - or must they?)
In my previous post I show examples of definitely non-Samurai behavior, which mustn't be tolerated in friendly MP-game.
Then I would like to ask Kami/Spirits of Ancient (Game Master of proposed game) to create some method of punishment for players with non-sportmanlike conduct. I'm afraid - application of aforementioned punishment as well as measuring of this punishment is tricky thing.
Then let's allow to determine measure of punishment to offender himself. If some Lord makes some sort of agreement with other Lord it is the same - like they are coming in some Shrine of some sort and make some promises to Kami, if they will break their promises - Kami (Game Master) will punish them according their promises.
For example:
1) Lord Imagawa would promise - I will do this and this thing and if I will not then let Kami to drop my harvests onto 50% in continuation of 5 years.
Then - when Kamis (Game master) will determine annual harvest number for all players, Lord of imagawa will receive only 50% of intended harvesting (Kami would frown on him for his treachery).
It can be quite cruel measure if Imagawa hold a lot of rich farmlands, but no big deal - if his wealth derived from Ports, Mines and Cathedrals. Gotcha? Don't like it - don't come into deal with Imagawa on these terms.
2) Lord Imagawa would promise - I will do this and this thing and if I will not - then let Kami to drop loyalty into all my provinces onto 100%.
Catch is - if Imagawa hold a lot of lands and little forces, then breaking this promise would result in huge Civil War into his realms. But if he has got only couple of provinces with huge armies in them - he can break this promise non-scathed.
but... if you like to come into this sort of agreements, you must keep your part of bargain as well...
Then if Agreement say - "if any of side of this treaty would break this agreement - let Kami to punish offender in described way" and treaty apply simmetrical punishment to both sides - more often then not - it doesn't mean SIMMETRICAL CONSEQUENCES as result of these symmetrical punishments. Do you see?
If we will add this feature (yep, Kami can influe only - chancy things in the game) - I'm ready to play as Imagawa and:
I PROMISE TO KEEP ALL MY PROMISES, - you know - word of Honour from Rascal is thing, which you can count on - as old saying tell us.
Then I'd like to play as Imagawa under three necessary condition.
First is - if anyone makes some sort of promise in written form and doesn't hold it - Kami will punish him in accordance with his promise.
Second is - Lord Oda of our game will be ready to sign my "Eternal Vassality Request from Imagawa to Oda", (I will ask to be vassal of Oda) which is the same like in actual history - between Oda Nobunaga (Oda clan) and Tokugawa Iejasu (Imagawa clan). If Lord Oda would refuse, playing as Lord Imagawa is pointless.
Third is - Lord Takeda will be ready to sign my "Eternal Friendship Request between Imagawa and Takeda", which prevented any hostility between both factions in actual history. If Lord Takeda would refuse - oplaying as Imagawa would be miserable and more probvable then not - if I will abandon Imagawa case as well.
Well, in next 4 messages I will define all Imagawa relation requests to all his neighbors in order:
1) Oda - top priority - if it will fail, playing as Imagawa is pointless;
2) Takeda - high priority - if it will fail - possibility to play as Imagawa will depend from answer on next request;
3) Shimazu - medium priority - if Takeda request fail as well as this request - Imagawa is dead anyway.
4) Uesugi - low priority - I would happy to keep my promises, but if Lord Uesugi will refuse... then - let be so.
I'm interested in joining this new era of ol' shoggy! Is it too late?
Your Excellency!
Lowly Lord Imagawa seeks your mighty protection for any cost and promises my utterly servitude and loyalty to my Master.
I promise to be Loyal Servant of my Master and it means:
A) I'm ready to be loyal Ally in any war of my Master. I can't cross lands of my Master then this thing is applicable only to third-party neighbors, which would have common border with lands of Imagawa and Oda.
I will follow my Master suit in these wars, if he starts to invade lands of our mutual enemy, then I will follow suit, if my Master prefer to stay at home, my actions will be same.
B) I will inform my Master about all movement of ANY third-party units, which my emissaries/spies/border forts/any other units detect - after my Master request.
C) I will inform my Master about any form of my diplomatic activity with third-parties and promise - never fight my Master, make any plot against him, or take part in any sort of activity against his interests. I will never send any Ninja, Shinoby, Geisha, Priest or Emissary into my Master lands and I will never use my Ninja or Geishas onto my Master servants.
D) I promise to not make wars against Allies of my Master.
E) On my Master request my Geishas and Ninja will attack targets which will point my Master.
In exchange to my request I ask you:
A) Please, spare me - humble worm - I'm ready to be your Servant. Let me have my core lands in your neighborhood.
B) In case if - any third party which has common border with our both countries would start to make aggression against your humble servant, you invade lands of aggressor for your humble servant protection.
Kami Punishments for breaking Servitude Agreement:
If I will break my Oath of Servitude - let Kami of Ancients - drop my harvest % onto 100 (ONE HUNDRED)% for ETERNITY. Loyalty in all my provinces must drop onto 200%.
Let Kami never allow me to have "Legendary Swordsman" and "Europeans Arrival" events as well.
I haven't any tool for coming out from this agreement - anyway.
If my Master will break this agreement non-expectedly - let Kami of Ancients had the same Wrath on his Fate.
My Master can break this Agreement, but he must warn his humble Servant about this breaking in 4 seasons before open hostilities. In this case - no Kami punishment will occur. In this case - Agrreement would be Dissolved for good.
Time of Agreement: ETERNITY.
It is official part of Agreement, both sides is open to make any deals in secret part of this agreement in PM manner to add, but not change main items of this agreement.
Signed: Lord Imagawa in Winter of 1529 in border of Mikawa province.
Mighty Takeda!
Please, receive humbly request for eternal friendship from loyal Lord Oda Vassal - lowly Lord Imagawa.
I humbly ask you about full friendship and understanding between our houses with clear definitions:
A) Imagawa sees their Core Lands - Suruga, Totomi and Mikawa as lands of Imagawa;
B) while Takeda Core and east-neighboring lands - like Kai, Izu, Sagami, Musashi and Shinano is rightfully belong to Takeda realms.
Sides are ready to hold to aforementioned borders and decide their bordering issues in friendly manner.
Sides like to see each other as Friends from this point and in future.
Imagawa side will not declare war on Takeda and will not attack Takeda side - especially in Takeda realms (Kai, Izu, Sagami, Musashi, Shinano) with only notable exception.
In case if Imagawa suzerain (Oda) calls me into allied war against Takeda, which can occur only in situation if Oda and Imagawa has mutual border with Takeda in the same time - I will fight you, but in this case - if I will get choice I will not enter these aforementioned 5 provinces anyway.
Takeda side will will not attack Imagawa side at all - and lands in Imagawa realms (Suruga, Totomi and Mikawa) especially.
Any special situation, when you would have to follow some/any alliance calls can be specified by you in your answer or in any hidden (PM) addendum to this agreement. Note: all terms of this agreement will be revealed to my Oda master - anyway.
Kami Punishment: In case of sudden breaking of agreement Offending side will get 75% of Harvest drop in 10 years period. All provinces of offender realms will get 150% drop in loyalty.
"Legendary Swordsman" and "European arrival" events will not occur for offender.
Times of Agreement: ETERNITY or - till this agreement will not to be dissolved.
Terms of dissolving of this Agreement:
Imagawa side can dissolve this agreement with 8-season notice before open hostilities.
Takeda side can dissolve this agreement with 4-season notice before open hostilities.
Signed: Lord Imagawa in Winter of 1529 in border of Suruga province.
Dear neighbor!
I want to inform you - I'm quite happy with our present situation and don't like to seek any way to change it in any noticeable way.
Then I'd like to propose you - my good attitude and warm feelings in exchange to your promise of - not making war against me now and in future.
I promise you my full respect for all your possessions and my word for not making war against yiou by my own volition.
Then - let's stay good neighbors - for good.
If I start war against you in non-expected manner (with notable exception of my Master Oda alliance call - if Imagawa and Oda lands will neighbor Shimazu lands in the same time) - let's Kami of Ancients punish me in next manner - 50% drop in all harvests in 5 years period plus 100% population loyalty drop in all my provinces.
I'd ask the same promise from your side with the same form of possible punishment in case of you unexpected breaking this agreement.
Agreement can be dissolved from both sides in 8-season notice without any punishment for latter hostilities.
Agreement is valid till its dissolution.
Lord Imagawa in Winter of 1529 in Port of Hizen Province
Good day!
Recently I was informed about rather weird activity in Eastern lands. I've got quite big fear from Lord Hojo movement.
Recently I've got a sort of argument with one of Lord Hojo (Drisos) then I've got an impression - like he would seek some sort of revenge on my person. Only way - which Lord Hojo can send his troops in my realms is through your Shinano province. Then if you will like to fight with Hojo, I'm ready to help you by passing Shinano province on my way into Hojo realms. My only wish is squashing evil Hojo as soon as possible - then I would be ready to evacuate my forces from Hojo lands.
Then my request is: in case of your hostility against Hojo, please - allow for my troops to march through your Shinano province into Hojo realms and after Hojo elimination I will request you to give me chance to return back through aforementioned province.
Agreement is - in case of your war against Hojo, please, give me your Shinano province onto 2 seasons for letting my army in Hojo lands. If I will not abandon Shinano province after 2 season period - let Kami of Ancient drop my Harvest on 100% for ETERNITY.
If Kami would allow to eliminate Hojo by our combined efforts, then I promise to give up to you all taken Hojo lands immediately, but you must give me backward corridor through Shinano again. If I will not abandon all taken by me Hojo core lands in this war - let Kami of Ancient drop my Harvest on 100% for ETERNITY. If I will not abandon Shinano province after 2 season period after coming back from former Hojo lands - let Kami of Ancient drop my Harvest on 100% for ETERNITY.
You musn't make any promises from your side - just start war with Hojo, abandon Shinano province and give me Shinano corridor for 2 seasons in one direction and for 2 seasons on backward direction. Hojo will pay ;).
1. If local Game Master is ready to implement Spirits punishments for breaking any written Agreements.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trajanus
2. If my request for Lord Oda and Lord Takeda will be answered in right way.
3. If local Game Master will allow me to be Lord Imagawa.
4. If you like to be "bad boy" of environment.
5. If you are ready to keep your own (Lord Imagawa) secrets - both egos of "treacherous Lord" must understand and realize hidden reasons for his doings.
6. If you are ready to be rustless enough for being Shogun.
I would glad to invite you to be Lord Imagawa - as well.
Welcome to the "Dark Side" - if you like to jump in/down ;).
Hello Trajan. ~:wave: ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Trajanus
You mean this campaign? or just stw mp? ~:) all info is in this forum m8.
welcome Bash. ~:cheers:
I should email elmarko first. see how things are going.
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Originally Posted by Bash
Hello Bash, thank you for the offer. After I email Elmarko, I will contact you. :)
Hey Dries...nice to see you mate. :bow:
Welcome to the campaign Trajanus! ~:cheers: good to see you.
glad to see the last two positions filled in by you two! we can start soon now I hope. ~:)
good luck you both! I think you will do fine. ~;)
I've got an impression - like Lord Oda is still one person and I still don't receive allowance from Kami of Ancients for my decision (as well as their promise to punish sacrilegers, if somebody will break their Oaths).Quote:
Originally Posted by drisos
Lord Imagawa must consult with Kamis before making any decision and more then that I would like to come to reasonable agreements with Lord Oda and Lord Takeda - I can't be happy without full harmony of my soul with souls of my precious neighbors. Oh... my decision must be quite complicated thing - I like to be just Loyal vassal of Lord Oda and Truthful Friend of Lord Takead. Why oh why they don't answer my pledges of Loyalty/friendship?
Their silence is breaking my old, tired heart...
Because the campaign was planned months ago, we have been waiting long. Most of us only rarely check this thread. so don't panic, they'll respond. ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bash