Eras won't be in. CA is not willing to delay the release/do any extra work for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by crusaderâ€
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Eras won't be in. CA is not willing to delay the release/do any extra work for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by crusaderâ€
That's a shame, i liked the early, high and late periods.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kralizec
yey i'm a member now, i can edit !
@Stephan Asen
OK. Last night I typed faster than I thought. Ivan II died in June 1242, several months before Mongol invasion of Bulgaria from Serbia. Kalojan was assassinated by his own duke in the 8th October of 1207, when he and his army besieged Thessalonica.
If you want to discuss about Second Bulgarian Empire, then open new thread in Monastery.
P.S.
Remeber - Wikipedia is not source - it's free encyclopedia where everybody can write what he want. http://users.skynet.be/bs138791/sac/rofl.gif
P.S.2
Serbs were never subdued to the end by Romans, and Bulgarians were. That's the fact.:book:
Just an observation - discussions about factions seem to risk degenerating into flame wars between Org members from different countries. Let's keep the temperature down here. Afterall, it's not like we have any control over which factions CA creates. We don't need to create any bad blood over what was or was not the case nearly a thousand years ago.
Modders will give gamers more options, but even then - like CA - face some tough choices.
Discusion beetwen people from te Balkans concerning things that happened over 1000 years ago without at least a somewhat heated conversations? Not in this dimension.
Yeah offtoppic. I know.
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
Awesome..*sarcasm*
Just, as a note to the org world here, in agreement with 4th dimension.
It is impossible for south slavic nations to come to any form of historical agreement regarding their respective nationalities. This should be well known and anticipated by now..
Anyway, back to the topic..
I'd be happy with the inclusion of any factions, as there's always the possibility of modding out ones I don't want and modding in ones I do, so I don't see an issue, so long as the factions are meaningful (iceland falls a little short of that).
Let's not go off the real topic. The discussion is over ( for now he-he). Anyway you are right to some extend- in Wikipedia anybody can write but note that no Bulgarian will write about the ' Romanian ' origin of Kaloyan and in addition there are marked debatable facts there. None of my info was. That's why I have chosen different sources- to be as objective as possible. And actually wikiedia can not be perfect but it is one of the best sources. Because anybody can make his own separate site as well with dubious info.
And I have more things to say... But I will stop here.
I said what I wanted to say- I voted for both Bulgaria ( as emerging faction) and for Serbia.
About the discussion in the Monastery. On the one hand it may be interesting but on the other I wonder if it will be interesting for the most people here... I need time to consider this unless you are so eager to discuss this topic. I won't mind and it will be a pleasure for me ( :evilgrin: ).
This was by the way. Now on the topic. The thread is called 30 factions. After all how many factions (both playable and unplayable) will the new MTW have ???
Edited: Do not worry econ21. My dagger is safe in the sheath. Not a single drop of blood will be spilt here. The word of a Bulgarian boyar.
It is not impossible, just very improbable :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucjan
But that is actually a good point why more balkan factions should be in the game. From the times of ancient greece to the 20th century, balkan was very important (and very active) battleground. Few rebel province that you literally walk over at the start of the game is not historically accurate. Both serbia and bulgaria were powerful medieval states, powerful enough to challenge byzantium.
But this disscussion about which country was more powerful and which deserves to be in the game more really is pointless. Neither is going to be in the original game, both are going to be modded in. That makes this disscussion purely academic and we should continue it in the monastery...
Not bad for a balkan guy, ha? :laugh4:
Personally I think that Serbia and Bulgaria would both be good choices.
BUT, I would ALSO like to see Croatia included as a Hungarian client kingdom. Croatia, although technically part of Hungary through much of the middle ages, was allowed to maintain it's own customs and laws and enough autonomy to, according to TW terms, be considered as a vassal state or client kingdom to the Hungarians. Croatia's significance as a powerful military state is very often overlooked, they posess a unique fighting spirit and centuries of experience in conflict against all manner of foes, the Croatians deserve their own little spot in total war. After all, without them the Austrians could have never turned back the Ottoman tide. (And for those who absolutely must play the devil's advocate and say *yahuhhhh they could toooo*...ok, fine, be that way, but they still would have had a much more difficult time doing it than they already had)
Hi everyone
I would like to see Bulgarians,Serbs(not only becouse I am Serbian),Lithuania,
Norway(Harold Hardrada need to say more?also it woud create more interesting and chalenging conquest of scandinavia),if they include hole America than they must add the Incas,not the Mayas becouse Mayas misteriosly disapiere two ceturies before conquistadors came in to America.
Now for Bulgarians I dont have to talk to much they were realy strong faction during almost hole middle age,but also the Serbians were very strong.
Greatest thing for me is that Tzar Dusan were first Orthodox LEADER who have the blesing of the Roman Pope(sorry if its wrong written)to lead the crusade against the Turks,but unfotunatly for him,and for all Balcans he die at the same that year.I think that if he lived 20years more,Turks were never crushed Balcans.
I am painfully aware that Serbia probably never find place in some total war game althouw Serbia deserved that spot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am so sorry for answering angriliy on your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucjan
If the Croats were so powerfull military might why do they were under Hungarians,than under Turks,than under Austrians,and than in some way under the serbs(at least they allways talk that Yugoslavia was their jail and Serbs were their prisoners,I always thougt that we were brothers at that time,but it look that I am wrong).Also if they were so strong military in the middle age why Austrians let Serbs to create SERBIAN REGION in their country(srpska krajina)?Serbs have much more freedom than Croats,and this is one of the reason Croats hates Serbs,of course we hate Croats becouse they hate us(this is how it works on balcans),in truth Croats were strong only in the time of the king TOMISLAV he is only who defated Bulgarian great Tzar Simeon.This is only time in the whole middle age that Croats were power in the Balcans.
IMO, it's not worth getting angry over a computer game or medieval history.
And please avoid generalising about whether an entire people hates another. I am sure it does not apply to Org members. ~:grouphug:
This is the second warning - if I have to intervene again, I'll reluctantly lock the thread.
That group hug actually brought a tear to my eyes...~:mecry: ~:mecry: ~:mecry:Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
It's so much nicer when people get along
My personal favourites are Cumans and Aragon (if there will be 30 factions slots).
I agree with the idea that this silly bantering over the balkans is worthless nonsense, and there would be more than a few people here who would benefit by stopping right now. The point of the thread is to offer an opinion on what factions you would like to see incorporated if they allow up to thirty and why. Not to whine and cry about why a faction somebody else mentions, shouldn't be included, or to stir up ethnic anamosities over a video game.
If you want to do this :furious3: because of somebody else's faction suggestion, then you need this :help: so that the rest of us can stop doing this :wall: and come back to a meaningful thread.
My comments stand..
I think the inclusion of serbia, bulgaria, and croatia could benefit the game, plus more diverse faction selection in the far east. Perhaps Lithuania, Muscovy, Novgorod, the Khazars, the Cumans, Validimir, Suzdal. There are any number of national identities in the far northeast that could help make that region more important to the gameplay, especially speaking in medieval terms.
@Lucjan
There is only one problem with Moscow - Moscow wasn't even built as a town in XI century!
It was probably the Russian faction he meant...Quote:
Originally Posted by DukeofSerbia
Between 500ad-1000ad the vjatichi, people regarded as the kernel of the future muscovite population, moved into the area around what is now Moscow. There is reference to Moscow as a town in an old manuscript of 1147, then in 1156 Prince Yuri Dolgoruky constructed timber walls and a moat around the town. He is frequently regarded as the founder of Moscow and his monument is among the most honored.
I don't know about everybody else, but to me, for a town to be of significant size and importance to warrant that a pallisade and moat be constructed around it, it's probably of significant enough size to have existed for more than 47 years. While I believe the exact founding date of Moscow as a town is unknown, an educated guess from my perspective would place it somewhere around 1050ad. And in tw terms, a pallisade and moat generally means it's a small town, but still large enough to be a provincial center.
If somebody is more knowledgable on this subject than myself, please correct me.
My votes for other factions go to
Kingdom of Jerusalem
Principality of Antioch
Serbia
Armenia
Wales
Ireland
I also vote for a lot more provinces then in Medieval Total War 1, just who says Wales has to be only 1 county why not split it up? Same goes for Ireland, and why Palestine instead of Judea, Samaria, Israel, Phoenicia, and the Negev?
My opinion is that the map should be have many more smaller provinces and less big ones. Surely Scotland could easily be split up as can Ireland.
Hi all,
Cant make new posts but there is a new interview on computerandvideogames with Bob Smith, some good stuff there!!
Hope this link works:
http://www.computerandvideogames.com....php?id=143296
So 17 playable. Interesting. Unfortunately the unplayable are still a mystery (with some exceptions)... And I learned some new things about the diplomacy ( I haven't got much time recently so any good source is apreciated).Quote:
Originally Posted by Mincemeat
Thanks, Mincemeat!
Unplayable will be Papal State, Aztecs, Golden Horde and Timurids (from so far what is revealed).
While I haven't read the whole thread, I think the important question is whether it will be possible to mod in a new faction (rather than just replacing old ones). That way, everyone can have something...
Orb's right. If you can't create new factions, then M2TW is going to be a very big disappointment for many people looking foward to modding the game. I would be seriously amazed if the developers would even consider limiting the number of possible factions to however many are included in the vanilla game. They must be aware of the popularity of modding in extra factions. Even if the majority of customers don't mod the game, obviously a significant number of us do, and since the developers frequent forums like these, they must realize how many people are expecting that option.