Gotta have more Mafia [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

...but now we at least know for sure that "suspicious villagers" are in fact in play.

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I was thinking over your previous post, EMFM, trying to decide what to make of your accusations. I had about decided you were Jerry (definitely not Tom), but you have a point about the possibility of "suspicious" villagers. The MafiaWiki lists a few roles (on both sides) that show up as the opposite of whatever their actual alignment is when killed. Personally, I hate that idea and would like to think Sasaki didn't use any in this game. But, I can't rule it out without him saying so, and I'm guessing he's not going to say either way. *sighs*

Either you're lying or you're telling the truth. If you're telling the truth, then there's something weird going on because you said you investigated GeneralHanky and he turned up guilty. If you're lying, there's a number of possibilities, but the most likely (to me) would be that either you're Jerry and SSNeo is Tom or you're an innocent desperately trying to delay your imaginary impending execution -- I don't think anyone believed Orb when he tried to name you as his partner in crime. But picking two random people like that and trying so hard to save your own neck would be awfully shameful play for an innocent. So I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt and think that you have a legitimate reason to be after atleast one of these two.

I was thinking its possible that you might be something like a "corrupt cop" who is actually working for the mafia but will appear as a cop when lynched, but you were the very first person to suggest the possibility of inaccurate autopsies (for lack of a better term), so I doubt you would point out the key to your own cover.

So then I thought, maybe going ahead and executed SSNeo, like you suggest, would be the safest thing to do. Either he's Tom, and lynching him would cause you to disappear and we'd be rid of two useless villagers (useless because they're objective is to get the other killed, not to save the village), or he really did show up guilty upon your investigating him. But that still doesn't explain why you would have mentioned GeneralHanky. You had no way of knowing which one the crowd would pick, and letting the General be lynched first could allow you just enough time to get killed by the mafia. So if you were Jerry, it makes more sense to only accuse Tom of guilt.

So that would leave the possibility that you're telling the truth as the most probable... except for the fact that the General has been "proven" innocent, which can only be explained by your "shady background" theory, which is (unfortunately) valid for all we know.

So I don't know what the heck to do, but my current line of thought has reached a point that I can't work my way past: you have basicly invited us to execute you in order to prove your truthfulness; you've pretty much staked your life on your words. I'm willing to test you on it. Unless you're some kind of corrupt cop, your execution should reveal your integrity. If your death shows you to be a liar, we'll know and we'll have rid ourselves of atleast one worthless individual, possibly an enemy. But if your death makes you a martyr for the cause of good, we'll know to go after SSNeo. That's all I can figure to do right now without making a purely random vote. So...

vote: Evil_Maniacs From Mars

Know that if you do die by our hands, it will not be in vain! :bow:

I'm going to follow Sigurd and Vote: Zalmoxis

Also, since there are few convincing arguments against Lemur and Div is "suspicious" and a certain ghost in the chat kept insisting Lemur was Tom and we don't have a reason to kill him if that's the case, I'm going to change my vote on him.
Change vote: Lemur: No Lynch

I don't trust EMFM. We will only know if he was telling the truth by his death. Off with his head! Vote: Evil_maniac from mars.

Vote count:

Zalmoxis: 3
EMFM: 2

Lemur Lynch: 6
No Lynch Lemur: 5

Just a little warning: I'm moving tonight and I should have internet right away, but it's possible I won't, worst case scenario is that I can't post until tuesday. I'll post again tonight if I can.

BTW, I carelessly misattributed the suggestion of Orb's guilt to GeneralHanky earlier on when it was actually you, doc_bean, who came up with it. I've been meaning to correct that, so my bad, and good work doc!

vote: Evil_Maniacs From Mars

He said GH was mafia, did he not? And we now know what GH really is.

Crazed Rabbit

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

vote: Evil_Maniacs From Mars

He said GH was mafia, did he not? And we now know what GH really is.

Crazed Rabbit

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If you had read my posts, you would have realized (if you trust me, that is, which I doubt) that he came up guilty. My posts for voting against him were also filled with cautions, such as "not sure...suspicious characters in play?", which appears to be true now.

A note: SS and DA were also investigated. Both turned up guilty. Either Sasaki is making it so my investigations are all guilty, that I've been extremely lucky, or that I've chosen a few suspicious villagers.

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Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

A note: SS and DA were also investigated. Both turned up guilty. Either Sasaki is making it so my investigations are all guilty, that I've been extremely lucky, or that I've chosen a few suspicious villagers.

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It may be the case that you are an incompetent cop.

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Originally Posted by SSNeoperestroika

It may be the case that you are an incompetent cop.

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Literally or as a role? Well, we'll see, won't we.

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Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

Literally or as a role? Well, we'll see, won't we.

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LOL, pretty sure he meant the role. :laugh4: The MafiaWiki does mention, at the bottom of the Roles page, the option to give each player a chance of having certain secret (unknown to the player) traits, one of which is "incompetent", which means that they cannot successfully pull off the activities their role is meant to perform. In the case of an incompetent cop, I see three possibilities:
1) All investigations get the same result, regardless of the investigated player's actual alignment.
2) All investigations get the opposite result of the target's alignment.
3) All results are random (flip of the coin) and therefore meaningless.

Sasaki wouldn't tell me in chat if there were any characters with "shady backgrounds", so I don't suppose he'll comment on the possibility of incompetent characters, either, though I certainly think he should have mentioned it if there was the chance. He did, of course, recommend we all read the MafiaWiki, so I guess we should consider anything listed there as a definite possibility.

Sorry. Started my new job. Was fighting an incredible wildland fire last night and I was busy all day. As for my arguments against Lemur: Tom or Jerry is going to do the same technique that a Mafia would be: Sitting back, bandwagoning, playing it safe. Tom or Jerry aren't going to make "monotonous arguments" against each other. That would be a tad obvious and completely retarded.

Look at the way I played in the last game. I make an argument and then I play based on logic and the comments of each player. If I think somebody is guilty, I hammer away at them. So this nonsense about Lemur or I is pretty much ridiculous to me. That's a side game Sasaki added, and frankly, I don't care about it. I want to catch the mafia before I am lynched. Lynch Lemur or not. But every game he is a pain in the ass and has been responsible for headaches all the way around. I think he is a tricky dirty brilliant SOB who needs to be stopped now.

I made my arguments, and I'll stand by them. In the meantime, I am still waiting for somebody to provide solid information as to whom else we should concentrate on.

(I'll not be online again until sometime the day after tomorrow due to work, so I can't respond again until then.)

Thanks. :bow:

Sorry for my absence, had a bit of work with school and all.

Vote: Zalmoxis

Lemur: Lynch

Vote: Zalmoxis

Vote count:

Zalmoxis: 5
EMFM: 3

Lemur Lynch: 7
No Lynch Lemur: 5

Deadline for both is 24 hours.

Oh great, I'm gone some days and now you want me dead? Cheap, really so here's a hint:I help you guys.
Vote: EMFM.
Lemur: Lynch

I have returned ! Seems nothing has changed, I'll stick to my votes.

I'm not sure whether to go with Zalmoxis or EMFM. SF's argument against Zalmoxis was pretty convincing, so I guess that is the best bet for me right now.

Vote: Zalmoxis

Well that looks like all the votes we'll be getting.

Zalmoxis: 6
EMFM: 4

Zalmoxis is lynched.

Lynch: 8
No Lynch: 5

Lemur is lynched.


Killed(5):
Discovery1 (Bus Driver)
Silver Rusher (Italian Mafioso + Romeo)
gertgregoor (cop)
Kommodus (mason)
GeneralHankerchief(cop)

Suicide(1):
Drisos (Juliet)

Left Town(1):
Divinus Arma (Jerry)

Executed(3):
Orb (Chinese Mafia)
Zalmoxis (doctor)
Lemur (Tom)

Alive (13):
Reenk Roink
Crazed Rabbit
Cowhead418
Ice
Tiberius
evil_maniac_from_mars
Wonderland
SSNeoperestroika
Ignoramus
B_Ray
Sigurd Fafnesbane
doc_bean
Dutch_Guy

Pm's from people please.

We killed the doctor? Great, no police, no doctors, and lots of mafia still out there-not good!

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Originally Posted by Ignoramus

We killed the doctor? Great, no police, no doctors, and lots of mafia still out there-not good!

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No, there's still police.

:book:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igi2msRiGjI

In violation of my 'being dead' treaty:

2 Police, 4 Mafia - 1/3 chance of finding a Mafioso in turn one. Better in turn two, if still alive (better than 2/3 chance per detective)
2 Police, 6 Mafia - 1/2 chance of finding a Mafioso in turn one. Improves again with each turn.

Having three police with 4 mafia leaves a 1/2 chance of one being found.
Having three police with 6 mafia leaves a 3/4 of one being detected.

These are underestimates, and on turn 1, assuming guesswork.

3 cops would kind of render each other pointless except that they can bandwagon a mafia they all know are guilty.

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Originally Posted by Ignoramus

We killed the doctor? Great, no police, no doctors, and lots of mafia still out there-not good!

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I told ya I'm helpful.

I won.


Good luck noble townsfolk. :bow:

Won? Hardly. You succeded in getting Lemur lynched. Since Mafia 2, that hasn't been difficult at all.

And now you're leaving all us villagers out to dry.

Crazed Rabbit

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

Won? Hardly. You succeded in getting Lemur lynched. Since Mafia 2, that hasn't been difficult at all.

And now you're leaving all us villagers out to dry.

Crazed Rabbit

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I know. kind of a shame. :shame: It was fun anyway.

I hope there's still a nurse in town...

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

Won? Hardly. You succeded in getting Lemur lynched. Since Mafia 2, that hasn't been difficult at all.

And now you're leaving all us villagers out to dry.

Crazed Rabbit

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Oh, and BTW, that was my sole mission. I was instructed do nothing but aim for the lynching of Lemur and he was instructed the same. I was told to not care about the mafia nor the villagers. I would have probably helped a little more since I was essentially invulnerable, but I could not allow Lemur to be seen as Jerry. If public perception was that he was Tomd he did not reveal it, then he would never be lynched nor killed. That placed me in greater danger. I had to take advantage of the immediate lynch-Lemur fever that had taken place in order to ensure he could not be viewed as Tom. Clearly, if the villagers thought he was Tom, but did not know my role, then he was safe and I was not.

I would have preferred to continue and use my night-invulnerability to help, but I really had no choice but to take advantage of the opportunity.