Alright I got confused. I though you were voting for me cause you thought I was a lurker. Though what's your reason for voting me? Hm HM HM HMQuote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
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Alright I got confused. I though you were voting for me cause you thought I was a lurker. Though what's your reason for voting me? Hm HM HM HMQuote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
I was being kyoot. But now my reason is because you've now twice quoted the preceding post, like a nub.Quote:
Originally Posted by Csar
:yes:
Yeah Prole I know. :iloveyou:
Sasaki Kojiro 24
Csar 20
GeneralHankerchief 16
Seamus Fermanagh 13
Proletariat 12
Husar 12
Banquo's Ghost 11
Sigurd Fafnesbane 9
Pannonian 8
Ignoramus 8
Silver Rusher 7
Kommodus 6
God's Grace 6
Reenk Roink 6
AggonyDuck 6
doc_bean 5
Kagemusha 4
theRTWGuru 4
Crazed Rabbit 4
Drisos 3
Craterus 3
Divine Wind 3
Xiahou 3
Hepcat 3
Dutch_guy 3
Masy 3
discovery1 2
Evil_Maniac From Mars 2
Sir Moody 2
Destroyer of Hope 1
Don Corleone 1
Zalmoxis 1
UltraWar 1
These are the number of posts in this thread by each person if you wanna vote a lurker. There they are.
You knew I already knew how to find that list, because someone just explained it to me in the chat, which you're in. Are you just trying to get your thread post count up?
:inquisitive:
No of course not I would never do anything like that. :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
How does one get that? (I'm not on the chat here)Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
My, my, my, have a little turkey and go see the Xmas lights and look what happens. Some good points made about/by BG. It may not be time to wanax him. Nor does Kojiro seem out of character so far. So...
Unvote: Banquo's Ghost.
Lurkers are a gripe in this game, and BG is correct that talking can get you killed for no other reason than you're talking. Must consider. Discounting the dead among our low post counters, we have:
Drisos 3, Craterus 3, Divine Wind 3, Xiahou 3, Dutch_guy 3, Masy 3, discovery1 2, Destroyer of Hope 1, Don Corleone 1, & Zalmoxis 1.
Of those, Don C, Zal', & Destro haven't posted since signing on. Whether or not they have roles, they seem likely to draw the WoG before long. I'd hold off voting for these folks for that reason.
Masy has made a reasoned argument about DivWin, which is picking up votes. So far, it seems the best argument put forward. While awaiting Div's response, I will therefore:
Vote: Divine Wind
To get to that list, from the Gameroom, you click on the post count link on the thread you want.
Alright, off to the beach for a few days. I'll be able to follow along somewhat, but not post until I get back Sunday night
As promised, an anti-lurker vote
Unvote: Csar
Vote: Destroyer of hope
Ah and I thought you were gonna keep that vote on me. Dang:bigcry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
There are some inherent problems with this strategy.
1) There are waaay more lurkers than mafia
2) Many people lurk continuosly
3) Last game the mafia lynched a lurker in their noble effort to help the town, and no lurkers tried to post more
4) The lurkers often get mod-killed
5) The lurkers often get killed by mafia
6) What's a person supposed to say when accused of lurking? Everyone knows it's not a serious charge. If you are really dedicated to lurking as your strategy you can just post "sorry about the absence, I'm here now" and fade silently away once you aren't being voted anymore, or just not post at all if you aren't in the majority.
Now, Divine Wind has something to respond too so a few pressure votes there is good. Although:
Is this just a pressure vote or do you really think it was the best argument put forward?Quote:
Masy has made a reasoned argument about DivWin, which is picking up votes. So far, it seems the best argument put forward. While awaiting Div's response, I will therefore:
Vote: Divine Wind
I'd also like an explanation from Don Corleone, because his lurking is atypical. Where have you been these last few days?
Oh wow, I didn't know you could do this. Let's compare!Quote:
Originally Posted by Csar
Sasaki Kojiro 168
Don Corleone 81
Husar 78
Csar 76
Silver Rusher 69
GeneralHankerchief 67
Seamus Fermanagh 64
Myrddraal 58
Kommodus 47
Crazed Rabbit 47
Sigurd Fafnesbane 38
Dutch_guy 30
theRTWGuru 30
Masy 27
Xiahou 24
Proletariat 23
Ignoramus 22
Drisos 17
Divine Wind 16
Major Robert Dump 15
Cowhead418 13
Sir Moody 13
Evil_Maniac From Mars 6
Big King Sanctaphrax 5
UltraWar 4
Peasant Phill 4
Byzantine Mercenary 3
Lemur 3
ByzantineKnight 3
Kagemusha 2
Destroyer of Hope 1
Don went from first to almost last. Prole went from mid pack to fifth. Dutch_guy and Masy have dropped a bit. Ignoramus is up somewhat. Explanations?
I guess if you really want to be a stickler I'm down somewhat in comparison to #2 guy. But I just haven't got goin yet ~:smoking:
Where did you get that from?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
It's from the Godfather 2 (obviously...what other game got that many posts).
doc_bean wasn't in that game but he usually posts more than he has.
Prole explained in the chat why the sudden jump in posts. Husar can vouch for that or I could show it too you. If you ask of course ;)
Doc was on my suspect list. Thought it was from the Godfather 2 but I didn't realize I had that many posts. I figured GH or Myrd would have had more posts weird.
The Black Hand
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Csar 30
Sasaki Kojiro 24
Husar 19
Silver Rusher 17
doc_bean 16
Major Robert Dump 14
AggonyDuck 13
GeneralHankerchief 12
Crazed Rabbit 12
Kagemusha 10
Reenk Roink 10
Ignoramus 8
Dutch_guy 8
Proletariat 8
Sigurd Fafnesbane 7
discovery1 5
Divine Wind 5
Cowhead418 5
Craterus 5
Evil_Maniac From Mars 4
Orb 4
Kommodus 3
Xiahou 3
Drisos 3
Don Corleone 2
Sir Moody 2
theRTWGuru 1
Big King Sanctaphrax 1
I tend to wait until I have something to say before I post. Or just reply whenever I get mentioned :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
About the strategy and your comments: lurkers are the bane of the villagers, they make it easier for the mafia to hide, WoG really helps, but the mafia is usually smart enough to make a few posts and votes, so we should really target the people who put in minimal effort and let the General handle the real inactive posters.
What's more important than targeting lurkers though, is that we DO NOT target active villagers wh!le we do that. You should now how easy it is to get killed when you post a lot. In my first game I got killed for being too active (granted, I *was* mafia). Helpful villagers are exactly that, helpful, and we shouldn't kill them unless we have a real reason to do so.
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Originally Posted by doc_bean
Thanks for the support doc, but a lawyer you ain't!
i guess burning BG right now is unwise. at least later on...Quote:
Originally Posted by doc_bean
Unvote: Banquo's Ghost
Vote: Divine Wind
hey im a holy man not a inquistor! the only place where I posted or spammed if you will, was in Mafia I when i was the blasphemous Spartan posting my but off writing unholy messages from the "dead". :saint:Quote:
Originally Posted by Csar
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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Yes, its a pressure vote. However, that was the best argument advanced so far. Forcing myself back over the Wanax stuff, I noted that too much of it was based on suppositions OUTside the game and too many assumptions about mafia tactics. If you have to argue with X, Y, AND Z all being "provisionals" there are too many flaws to rely on it.
Masy's argument about Div Wind was based on the text/tone of Div's postings -- within this game -- and he supplied clear support for the reasoning behind his interpretation of those posts. Thus, his argument is more "grounded." It is not, of course, without its weak points, but seemed enough to move forward with for now. Certainly enough to pressure the votee into a more active/open series of posts so as to gather evidence.
You rightly point out the weaknesses in an "anti-lurker" strategy. I particularly agree with the point about likely WoG victims. Those who have never posted in this thread since joining are a "wasted" lynch. The likelihood that a mafiosi is taking that "distanced" a lurker strategy seems small, and therefore I am not pressuring the more likely targets if I cast my vote in that direction. That's another reason I was more willing to buy into Masy's hypothesis rather than hammer Destro, Don C, or Zal'.
As to Don C, he over-posted in the first 20% of Silver's recent game, so his count was a bit inflated over what will become his average. Since he is a family man (as in spouse and Jillian, not omerta-stuff:beam: ) I'm not sure this doesn't just represent his doing the Turkey thing. Was he active recently (I didn't check before replying, this was an added thought).
Thought: Somebody is going to have to do some more statistical treatments of post-count before we have a true townie strategy there. What average post-count creates townie wins? Is total post-count or average per poster a better meter? How does character death in the first, 2nd, and 3rd quartiles affect post-counts? What is an "average" post count by role? Do I lack enough of a life to actually devote time to answering these questions?
Tackling this statistically would help the number-oriented among us. As it is, there is a strong bias toward qualitative analysis based on the utterances within a series of posts -- gives a real preference to those trained in such an analytical background.
You should bold the vote so Der Generaloberst does not miss it.Quote:
Originally Posted by God's Grace
A trifle eager to see DW lynched, are we?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
As I said before, I don't care about wanax. What I do care about is how Banquo was accusing me one round, and switched to taking the high road as if he realized that was a better strategy for appearing innocent. He can't really have suspected me the previous round then, could he?
I was responding to your own accusations against me, which at the time I thought unmerited and an attempt to get me lynched. On reflection, and with other townsfolk weighing in on your side, I changed my mind about your motives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
You will also note that whilst I accused you of motive, I did not switch my vote to you.
Pet peeve. Since I actually spreadsheet the votes, I hate the thought of missing one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
BG could certainly have changed his view from one round to the next based upon, for one thing, the tone/style of your posts. He did not articulate that, however, so your are correct in that his shift in suspicion is unreported -- and some would argue indicative of a mafioso casting around for easy targets.
You know, if we could supply the sub-labels under an orgah's name, Banquo's would already read "Lord of the Wanax":laugh4:
A thought just struck me.
Proletariat is just making personal attacks, and while she might be making a lot of posts, they are mostly one or two liners and none of them are at all helpful. She is also trying unusually hard to stop BG being lynched. So, I believe BG is guilty, but also believe lynching him would be a loss to us if he was innocent. However, Proletariat is overly cooperating (btw, go and look at the first round of The Godfather, Part 2 and see how much Csar and GH cooperated) with him, plus she is far more active than usual, leading me to believe she is guilty, and lynching her won't be a loss to us (more like a gain) if she is innocent.
Unvote: Abstain
Vote: Proletariat
Oh, by the way, one thing struck me in Proletariat's posts:
Same thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
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Because you're leading the charge on this silly bandwagon. Unless you sincerely beleive Banquo is stupid enough to try the Don C nubsauce approach, I doubt you really think he's mafia. It seems more likely that you're mafia at this point, anyway.
What's hypocritical, btw? You're leading a weak bandwagon. I think that makes you look more guilty than Banquo does for that Wanax rubbish
I cannot find anything here that even slightly resembles the same thing that doc_bean said. db said that BG is helpful and so we shouldn't lynch him, you simply said the bandwagon was 'silly', 'weak' and 'a canard'. Hardly forms an argument, does it?Quote:
The Banquo bandwagon really seems like a canard. Even Silver joined in it.
Strikes me that there are few easier targets than the unresponsive early in the game. The early active essentially hang themselves, it seems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
:laugh4: I'm tempted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
More seriously, is it really so ludicrous to postulate that the mafioso who chose such an obscure reference is not revealing at least something of himself in so doing?
:shrug:
Almost as unlikely as putting obscure chemistry references in the kill description.Quote:
Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost
Well, If I understand correctly my low post count at the beginning of this game in comparison to one taken from the end of another game leads to the conclusion I have been posting less.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Okay, now if I understand correctly the only thing I'd have to do - to not seem like a lurking mafioso - would be to....ehm...spam ?
:balloon2:
Oh goodie! Look at the controversy ive caused by making a 10 second post on the whim from a break from work. Its probably good that I dont post so much, otherwise the .org might implode. :laugh4:
Hurt? I dread to think how you survive in the real world Masy. Its just a game, I meant nothing by it. I just randomly selected you from the group of abstainers. Nothing was meant in it to annoy you or critiscise you. Just random. :bow:Quote:
He voted for me. Firstly, I will admit that I am hurt by his accusation
The comment itself was just meant to be humourous. Im not a mindless robot drone, and my conduct as the serial killer in the Black Hand with the cucumber killings should back up my strange sense of humour. Its just the way I am.
Not intended at all old chum. Its the way I always try to come across.Quote:
I believe, intended to make himself appear friendly, likable and trustworthy
GAH! Im being stalked! Do I need to get the police involved?! ~;) Im currently working long hours at my new job, so any break I get are usually spent looking at the Medieval 2 forum for 5 - 10 minutes. Hence why I dont post in the mafia thread until I get back from work. Silver Rusher and Sasaki can confirm this from a PM or two ive sent them in the previous games.Quote:
2) He was last active at 12:11 today, and yet has not voted in this round. That's fine, on it's own, but compounded with his 'light' posting leads me to believe he is deliberately avoiding a vote (to stay under the radar, no doubt). Perhaps he's trying to mix in with the people who couldn't vote because of the thanksgiving.
I hide behind no-one. I just dont have the time to post every hour.
I dont think bandwagoning achieves anything, so I always try to go for random accusations to see if it provokes someone like yourself to suddenly outburst and take things a bit to personally, which leads to clues. Ive done it quite a bit in the last mafia games. Take a look for yourself.Quote:
He votes, yes, but he doesn't want to appear a band wagoner (as mafia sometimes are), so he votes for someone who at that time was not in danger of a lynching.
Anyway back to TV, tea and biscuits.
Silver, you may be interested to know that for the past few days Prole's internet has been limited to he internet cell phone. It is rather cumbersum to post using such a device, so it's no surprise she's posting one-liners. Now if she was posting one liners much earlier then you may have a point.
Cookie.
Vote count:
Divine Wind: 4
Banquo's Ghost: 2
Craterus: 1
Sasaki Kojiro: 1
Don Corleone: 1
Destroyer of Hope: 1
Proletariat: 1
Abstained: 4
24-ish hours until I stop voting.
As to our three "lurkers:"
Destoyer of Hope was active on the .org today,
Zalmoxis was last active on 11/23/6,
Don Corleone has not been active since 11/20/6.
Edit: Don C was on the day of the first murders/beginning of first lynch vote.