The Org Buglist v2

Not sure this a bug or not, I was being attacked and set my army on the side of a fairly steep slope, had alot of problems placing my 2 cannons and ballista, even though the areas I wanted to deploy them on were fairly level. I manged to find 3 places for them although not really where I wanted, I was hoping to have my cannons overlooking the cliff, firing volleys down the side of mountain.

Once, the battle started, I couldn't move any of them, so just gave them orders to engage any target, then they started the reload animation, up to the point where the barrel points down, then stopped, and started looping. Eventually near the end of the battle a unit of elephants must of got to the only point in the map where my cannons could hit, and they started firing properly. My ballista only fired when something stood right in front of it.

I get those problems too - the placement and firing AI is horrible on mountainous maps

This has probably been mentioned already but I'm not reading through 200+ posts to find out!

Last night I noticed my saved game had a date that was one day ahead of the actual date.

Edit - This morning when I saved over my current game the date was correct. Perhaps the game uses GMT for the date? Or is there a game setting somewhere to offset GMT that I missed? My system date and time are correct.

i think the merchant bug and what you are talking about as well as other things like one i experienced the other day are related.

i was at war with milan when i saved my game but when i started playing my game later i attacked an army of theirs because i was supposed to be at war with them and i ended up ruining my reputation because i attacked an ally which was ended several turns before when milan attacked me.

there is some kind of memory bug and i think that all these problems could be related of course thats my opinion.

a minor bug: in the spanish version of the game (at least), French hasn't pre-battle speeches.

As the French, on the campaign map, when you right click the units: Chivalric Knights, and Noble Knights, it shows them as having the same stats, yet on the unit info sheet that came with the game, it shows Chivalric as higher.

I got the horse breeders guild headquarters, and the cavalry upgrade gets stuck perpetually. The guild upgrade is 1 locally and 2 globally but it gets caught in a loop and experience on the cards bounces between 1 and 2 and in tha queue it is still trying to upgrade.

Shields are totally messed up in melee combat. They work effectively in ranged combat, but in melee not only fail to help protect the unit bearing them, but also make the unit progressively LESS well defended the higher the unit's shield stat is set (a unit with shield stat increased takes heavier losses in melee against any given enemy unit than it would with a lower shield stat). Setting a shield unit to 0 shield value actually helps it survive melee combat, sometimes a very substantial amount. This has the unfortunate effect of giving all shield-bearing units the melee stopping power of warm butter under vanilla game settings... and while warm butter is quite tasty, it is decidedly a bad thing to be like on a battlefield.

Yep.

I'll add it when i get around to updating the buglist.

My archers aren't getting the experience bonuses from the Master Woodsmans Guild except in the city they are recruited in, or from the Woodsmans Guild Headquarters at all. Same with Hospitaller Knights, only get the experience bonuses in the cities with the master or headquarters guilds but not the effect on all the units as it should.

The effect is all archers in all cities with less than silver chevrons is offered for retraining on every turn, but never is upgraded, just a waste of money. Also you cannot tell what the retraining is for so if there are armour upgrades available you can't tell, so I can never retrain archers and all my cities are full of archers offering to be retrained.

The first post's been updated and i've forwarded the list on to CA

AI can melee and shoot your troops with a ranged unit (bow, xbow, jav) at the same time, i.e. you engage an enemy archer unit in melee (only the frontal part of the unit) and the back row keeps firing at your units, doing massive damage.
This only seems to work for the AI too, never for my own troops. Noticed this in RTW already, especially on walls.


Demanding vassalage is kind of messed. When my reputation (i.e. global) is very reliable or trustworthy, and I demand vassalage of a nation that has no navy left, only a few troops (sometimes only 1 generals bodyguard) and i have troops in their last region, demanding vassalage is very demanding and nothing convinces them to become your vassals.
However, at other times in the same scenario with another nation, demanding it is balanced or even generous. I'm not quite sure what causes this discrepancy as the conditions where pretty much the same. They usually only tended to be at war with me too.
Also noticed that when you got their last city under siege, they also don't want to accept? (and will not in later turns either after lifting siege etc - as if having sieged their last city only once seems to break something)
On the other hand, I managed to make turkey and russia my vassals once after they broke their alliance with me and they both had supreme military power and 10+ regions each by simply offering vassalage which was rated as "balanced" - only difference there was that the mongols had arrived but they were not at war with them.
All tests done with skill 10 diplomats btw.

There seems to be some problem with the last few stages of global reputation: very reliable and trustworthy.
I was permanently at very reliable by only occupying cities and releasing prisoners but funnily, when I sacked a city cuz I was bored, it suddenly went to trustworthy? It seems that if you onlt rely on occupation and releasing, it will never go to trustworthy on its own but only when you actually do something thatshould harm your reputation it will go to trustworthy or so and remain there. Otherwise it might hit it for 1-2 turns and then go back to very reliable. (tested under H and VH difficulties)

Military access is borked. I got mil access from the turks and moved a crusading army very closely right next to Iconium (no intention of attack, i wanted to go to egypt) and my relations went down to drastically.

(not sure if bug or not) armoured mounts and non armoured ones (in moutned units) are equally easy/difficult to kill.
I did the test using gothic knights and a non armoured mount mounted unit (forgot which one) and gave them both equal stats in their defences in the descr unit file. I had longbowmen up a hill and fired at them in Medium difficulty and usually roughly the same amount would reach the longbowmen (with slight discrepancies as arrow accuracy is random as is hit-death bugs). So unless I'm missing something, armoured mounts do nothing to protect the mounted unit. They also die similarly easily against stakes.

Edit:
Since 1.1, the pope always sends troops to take or at least camp in Florence. Find that kind of odd as once after I took Florence and was allied with the pope, he declared war at me and took Florence! (usually he just attacks and takes the rebel town by arouns turn 10 the latest)

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but Naval generals do not get a command bonus in combat.

@factionheir

- You can emulate the melee/shoot actions of the ai archers; you just have to wait for the unit to engage in melee combat and then give the order to fire. All troops will attempt to but those fighting will immediately go back to defending themselves while the rest pepper the enemy with arrows

-yep, vassalage is screwed :P

- That issue with mounts sounds bad :(

- I've seen teh same thing with teh pope - in one of my games he's taken tripoli (or the other one - i forget the name, but it's one of the african provinces) without any interferance by me. He just beat me to the city too :(

I do not think mounts give any bonus for soldier on them. And this is from export_desc_unit datafile:

; stat_sec_armour Details of animal's or vehicle's defenses (note riden horses do not have a separate defence)
; As per stat_pri_armour, except that the shield entry is ommited

They only have different mass, but mailed, armoured, barded etc, they all have the same mass.

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Originally Posted by Revenant

I do not think mounts give any bonus for soldier on them. And this is from export_desc_unit datafile:

; stat_sec_armour Details of animal's or vehicle's defenses (note riden horses do not have a separate defence)
; As per stat_pri_armour, except that the shield entry is ommited

They only have different mass, but mailed, armoured, barded etc, they all have the same mass.

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Yeah, the descr unit does not claim for them to have any difference but visual but shortly after M2TW appeared, a lot of people claimed or thought that mounts do make a difference.

Sound bugs:

HRE navies will use a defending against an enemy speech when attacking at times.
HRE navies will use a battle lost speech when winning a battle at times.
Armenian heavy cavalry will feedback light cavalry when clicked on.

Need further testing.

Minor Update: A Complete list of Sheild Bugs:

The list of issues with shields alone is now 5 items long:(.

1. Need further testing.

2. Was Not a Bug, confirmed by CA.

3. They provide no defence in melee that we can tell.

4. They actually apply some sort of penalty in melee too.

5. If a unit has a shield stat greater than 0 they won't brace for a charge properly. this hurts the ability of all Shield units to receive a charge, but especially Spearmen vs. cav.

I attacked a rebel army after merging. Two characters got teleported to Milan, which I had just gifted to the Papal States.


https://img138.imageshack.us/img138/...rmybug1da4.jpg


Here is the army on the battle screen:

https://img138.imageshack.us/img138/...rmybug2dd3.jpg

Are you running any mods? They could produce this. If not, then I don't know whats happening.

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Originally Posted by Carl

Are you running any mods? They could produce this. If not, then I don't know whats happening.

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Nope. M2TW + Patch

I've come across this time and time again but only now realized I should post it:

You get the "this will result in excommunication" warning even if the action you are about to complete will not result in excommunication NOR cause the papal mission to fail:
examples:
1.sallying out to attack an enemy you were told not to attack. This is allowed by the pope but you get the screen anyway.
2.attacking an undefended city and were told not to attack. This will result in you taking the city but not causing mission failure as no blood was spilled.
3.attacking while told that your relations will only suffer (not "you may be excommunicated"). Reasoning obvious.

Therefore this should be made much clearer when you get the "this will result in excommunication" warning as I can imagine it will especially make less experienced players hesistate.

Princess portraits when they die get replaced by general's grayed out portraits if they die by violence or accident:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=77739

In the data/settlement/techtree folder the subfolder names seem to be misspelled, don't seemto match any others it supposed to link to, and probably right now, i hope the hardcode can find them for battlemaps.

Minor update, theirs some suspect results showing up for sheilds vs. missile fire. They are still defintly effected by AP missiles more than non-AP missiles. But the results with regards to which does better protection wise, (sheilds or armour), are inconsistant, producing tottally oppossite results in two tests so I need to run a third test set to check things.

Rare bug:

After a victorious battle where you lose very few units, once the combat results screen appears you may lose some extra units for no reason.

This happened to me when I fielded an army of:
1 general
4 hobilar
4 longbow
against
2 town militia
2 spear militia
3 ballista
1 sergeant spear

I killed them all losing only 3 hobilars but when the battle ended, i noticed my hobilar units that still had full numbers had their numbers reduced by 1 for some weird reason and they also showed up on the casualty screen.
Not sure what's causing it but I vaguely remember that it happened in RTW sometimes too.

The battlefield northwest of Milan is buggy. Battle fought there started off slow and got progressively slower as reinforcements came on and became unplayable. Same armies fought ok directly north of milan. The battlefield features a clifflike very steep slope that curves round

halberdiers are too slow

I tried this out for fun and found a bug:

When ransoming back family members or having them released by the enemy, they have a high chance of getting a trait which gives them chivalry - The trait's description fits better to the one releasing the troops than the released troops however so its likely a misplaced trigger.