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As a heads-up, I will be on vacation from May 19th to the 26th. During this time I will probably not be logging on to the forums and will definitely not be able to fight any battles. If Max is still alive and gets into a battle, please autoresolve him. I don't mind at all if he dies in battle, he's an old geezer anyway.
Well, I am finished with my exam and from the looks of it, alot has happened and it will take me a while to catch up on stuff.
My latest finger painting project:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Purple = Swabia
Green = Franconia
Blue = Austria
Red = Bavaria
Edit: Bavaria is starting to look like a Gerrymandered congressional district. :laugh4:
The Fightin' Bavaria!
https://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h...92/colbert.jpg
LOL
Ah yes the 3rd installment of the 4 part "Better know a Duchy" series.
Tell me Duke Otto, Kaiser Henry, great Emperor or the greatest Emperor?
Econ, who were you referring to as Lord Manfred??? You are confusing me here... :P I didn't know we had a Manfred.
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Originally Posted by StoneCold
Sorry, I just know him as Max.
People have been calling Max "Manfred" for a long time now, easily a month or two. I have no idea where it came from and assumed it was some Germanic nickname.
Swabia needs more land, but I sympathize with econ, if mersaille was given to Swabia, Bavaria would only have a sliver of a boarder with Sicily, the rest would HRE.
Any Swabian electors out there, Propose some anti-french legislation and I'll support it.
Bare in mind that we are under a Papal mission not to attack the French (for 7 turns, IIRC). If we do want to attack an enemy Catholic power, a "judo" type defence is usually the best way to go about it - use the enemy's strength against them and let them get excommunicated before going onto the offensive. That's how we took down Milan and Venice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuperman
xdeathfire should note that he can set a standing order for the Swabian household army to conquer one neighbouring province this Diet. I'll maneouvre so as to be able to accomplish that after the Papal mission expires (or earlier if France gets itself excomm'd). Rheims seems the most defensible target for Swabia and is also very close to Paris.
The Swabians (and anyone else for that matter) can also propose edicts that specifically require the conquest of certain provinces. No one should complain about their lack of land if they don't push for more in the Diet.
I'd say if we are to expand on our western border at all, it ought to be to take Toulouse. Its a Citadel and will significantly weaken the French and allow us to train our high end troops.
I don't think you want to weaken the French... what's the fun of it if they just throw in basic forces... soon swabian will be complaining of boring fights over and over again against the same basic troops :P
They do have Angers and Bordeaux though, and something in Spain from an OOC perspective to throw things at us, especially as Toulouse borders all those regions, giving us more interesting fights.
From an IC perspective, any Duchy would want to expand and consolidate its borders. I think Swabia borders mainly with cities to the French border instead of castles, which makes it vulnerable. Besides, this way the Bavarians can focus on the Milanese and Moors to the south instead of worrying about the French to their west, which is Swabian expansion zone ~:)
Yes, it definitely seems to make sense for the Bavarians to deal with the islands and any African wars. I'm actually pretty pleased with how well the geographic expansion of the Houses has worked. I was one of the ones pushing for non-geographic territorial allocations and I'm glad GH didn't listen to us.
Ituralde's (excellent) story reminds me of the Austrian avatar situation. Even though Meckil is available for marriage, there are 4 other daughters available for marriage and they are all to the left of her on the family tree. I think it's possible Meckil could go a long, long time without being married. Since we're in a Diet Session now, perhaps it would be good to start formally considering other options for the Austrians. Arnold will be of age this coming term, so that's one avatar, but Leo's getting old himself and there are several other players who need them. I think we need to poach a few from the Swabians or Franconians. There are two Mahren boys, two Mahren girls, and three Kasilien boys who will come of age next term. I think one of those two 'families' should attach themselves to the Austrians for all future generations. That would keep the familiy tree relatively organized while solving the Austrian avatar problem.
We could also accept any (yes, any) avatar that wants to marry into a branch of the tree which already has excess numbers of avatars to try and get the females married off before they turn into spinsters which is worse than not having a well rounded avatar. Btw, the older a female gets, the older her suitors become too, so that is a big problem (i.e. shortlived avatars) although it can be changed in the files.
considering how many we have, I'm not sure if short lived generals would be that huge of a problem, but I agree with you.
Hm, I must say that I'm glad that somebody else for one picked up the avatar problem of Austria. :beam: I would have to lie if I said this is not something I have thought about in the past.
I have mentioned before that something along the lines of TinCows thinking would have been to my liking. The von Mahren family would be suitable as they already had contact with the House of Austria in the past. Since econ21 stated that Henry will send generals from other Houses to assist in the defense of Austria, maybe the eldest von Mahren son could be assigned this task. If no other Franconian avatar comes forth and also if Kagemusha as the boys father has no objections one of the Austrian Electors could take that avatar. This is of course if Northnovas would be willing to do this. The rest of it should develop in character though. This should give a nice base from where to operate without transfering whole branches of the family tree somewhere else OOC.
What do you think about it, especially the parties involved?
I had hope that with Meckil and Arnold I would get at least enough avatars for my two Austrian comrade, but with it seems like the game deems the number of characters high enough, which even makes me fear for children for Arnold or Meckil. So the above would also have future developments in mind.
Anybody want to download the savegame and press end turn 10 times? Don't tell us anything that happens, just report what happens if you reject all new avatars except Austrians. I'd do it, but it is just I think as Chancellor it would really spoil my reign.
I've resisted deviating from the family tree branch = House idea in the past, but like most folk, I am getting frustrated by this long dry spell for Austria.
I think AussieGiant and Northnovas should have the final say in all this, as we are essentially looking for avatars for them.
If no one else has, I will do it when I get home in about an hour.
Thanks, TinCow. :2thumbsup:
I want to crack on with my first turn once the Diet has finished tomorrow, as I don't think the voting will affect what happens in the first turn. If those players who have not already done so could post build queues/household army orders in the next 24 hours, it would be appreciated. :bow:
I'll try to post orders relatively quickly, but can you remind me which cities am I responsible for the building order for??
Okay, I did it I went into the future. I will not divulge what I saw but the Austrian avatar does not look good. I have tried this a couple times this week with almost the same results.
This time I went 10 turns and it took awhile on turn 7 and 9 the offers went to Judda der Stoltze. The family tree is quirky and I think Meckil will end up a spinster.
It's with mix regret that I may have to go outside the family line if I want more involvement. AG will get Arnold so I think I may have to accept an avatar from another house.
There have been excellent stories and I was trying to think IC for a nice storyline. I think we can figure something out.
If TC want to try the 10 turns and see what he gets I know my game turns have been different from what ended up happening. I had econ done in by the Inquisitor he had in his storyline.
I am open to anything I was trying to keep it in the family but if that is not possible we will have to go with the other options available.
The capital of Swabia, Staufen, is yours by right of leading the House.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xdeathfire
You should also post one for Metz unless you plan to make Ulrich or Elberhard its Count.
With the Household Army, I'd like to know its commander (currently you) and its rough location, as well as whether you want to use it to conquer a neighbouring province. The FAQ in the first post to this thread includes the ammendment that established household armies - it will have more details if you need them.
I just posted some orders for the Swabian army and I guess I will make Ulrich the Count of Metz. I'll post build orders for Staufen in a little bit.
I did the 10 turns thing too and I got the exact same results as Northnovas: two offers for Judda der Stoltze, who is also the farthest left of all the daughters on the family tree. I think that unless we massively expand our provinces in very short order (which I think none of us wants) Meckil will never get a marriage offer. I think we will have to give the Austrians some avatars from elsewhere on the family tree.
If the game plays out in reality like it did in my 10 turns, you're in for an interesting Chancellorship econ21.
I think your taking Judda's husband might be the best way forward. He would be rather a blank slate and so could be an Austrian (as opposed to our current spare, young Hamburg, who is Franconian by blood). European custom is that the wife moves into the husband's family rather than vice versa, so there would be nothing odd about Judda's husband being an Austria.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northnovas
Is AussieGiant content to wait for Arnold? I don't know off-hand how long that will be.
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Originally Posted by Northnovas
Don't start. Me and inquisitors is already like Captain Hook and crocodiles.
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Hi Guy's,
The situation with the Austrian avatars seems grim for sure.
I'm certainly going to wait for Arnold econ. I'm about to ask Ituralde if I can start some "tie-ins" with my semi crazy Austrian Merchant character I've been using for the last few months.
Northnovas it seems your going to have to go and poach another avatar and bring him into the House.
I've gotta say I don't think giving Judda der Stoltze's husband to Austria is going to solve the problem. Neither the new avatar nor Arnold will have thier own kids any time soon, and even when they do it will take a full 3 Chancellorship terms for them to come of age. If we just move Judda der Stoltze's husband over, we'll have to be revisting this problem every single month till the end of the game. Moving over an entire family is a far better solution as it will provide for more avatars down the line, so that we can take care of this problem for good and not have to revisit it again.
I still think the von Mahren family makes the most sense. They have 4 underage kids and they are also located directly next to the Austrians on the family tree. From an organizational standpoint, they are the best choice. I am not suggesting that Jonas von Mahren himself move over, just his kids and all of their descendants. That still leaves the von Hamburgs and the von Kastiliens in Franconia, two families that are similarly blessed with many children.
If it helps, I can even manually edit the image of the family tree in the Library so that it shows the von Mahrens coming from Leopold's line.