New factions?

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Originally Posted by Son of Perun

How many?

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8 of 10

Foot

I would love to see the "kingdom of Axum" in the upcoming mod. it would be just perfect.

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Originally Posted by the Abyssinian

I would love to see the "kingdom of Axum" in the upcoming mod. it would be just perfect.

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Not really. Axum didn't exist until many centuries later.

Would it be possible to make a poll with the candidates for the remaining 2 new factions?

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Originally Posted by azzbaz

The Reasons I Dont want and/or think these factions should be in it are.

Pergamon: This one was actually borderline in my mind. It was a rump state left after Lysimachus' Hellenistic Thracian kingdom broke up, I recall. They would be like most of the other successor kingdoms though I feel. Also they would start the game with just one settlement, It might just look too good to the Arche Seleukids, Greeks, Makedonians, Ptolemaioi and Pontos. Too much against it in my eyes. Unless you dont have the Galatae, Leave it on the cutting floor.

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It was a little more than a "rump state" under the Attalids, friend, eventually gaining control of a large portion of western asia minor.

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Originally Posted by azzbaz

Syracuse: Look forget about it. It's been said before, but the idea of a Syracuse faction annoys me so much. The Carthaginians and the Romans would just obliterate them. Then you've got expansion problems etc. I'd also imagine it would be difficult making a unique unit rooster for a faction that probably fought identically to the Greeks.

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I doubt the Syracuseans would be push-overs as you suggest. I do agree that it would be hard to make a unique unit line up for them though.

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Originally Posted by Son of Perun

Would it be possible to make a poll with the candidates for the remaining 2 new factions?

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Nope

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Originally Posted by strategos alexandros

I would like the following factions in Eb if possible or plausible:
Galatia
Syracuse
Massyli
Belgae
Erain/Brigantes
Bosphorans
Celtiberians

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Bosphorans, Numidian and Boii in Central Europe: the map actually needs the Bosphorans and Boii for gameplay reasons.

And someone said Numidia didn't have an effect on history? I'll hold off my scathing comments. I promised I'd be nice.

And how come now one ever mentions my faction: Euzkadi!

Talk about impact on history: We're still around!

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Originally Posted by HistoryProf

And someone said Numidia didn't have an effect on history? I'll hold off my scathing comments. I promised I'd be nice.

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Numidia? As a unified faction it should not be included, but I'd definitely love to see a particular tribe with a similar mechanism to what was previewed for Hayasdan recently (though the same hope goes for a number of more disjointed factions).

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Originally Posted by HistoryProf

And how come now one ever mentions my faction: Euzkadi!

Talk about impact on history: We're still around!

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I've seen mention of the Aquitani, though that's as close as I'd assume it'd get to including some kind of Basque faction.

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Bosphorans, Numidian and Boii in Central Europe: the map actually needs the Bosphorans and Boii for gameplay reasons.

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I think map needs Scythia instead of Bosphorans.

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Originally Posted by Charge

I think map needs Scythia instead of Bosphorans.

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Why? It wouldn't be so big difference...

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Originally Posted by HistoryProf

And how come now one ever mentions my faction: Euzkadi!

Talk about impact on history: We're still around!

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Ugh.

Precisas de ir á casa de banho?

Só se for para te cagar em cima.

Are there any candidates for new factions in eastern Europe?

The Boii. Developed cities and fortresses, advanced concept of kingship, advanced developments for war, prolific traders, ran large mints. The only one I can think of in eastern Europe as being definitely possible, but the Lugians might be possible. But, there's talk about how well they'd work and all.

I hope you guys added another steppe faction . I would love some crazy horse archer vs . horse archer battles .

So, why not a Basque faction? They had been there for thousands of years and are still there thousands of years after.

They destroyed Charlemagne's rear guard, the Suebi literally ran through to Galicia, so did the Vandals. The Romans never left the fort in Pamplona. Basques even joined the legions and stood on Hadrians wall. The Moors were sleeping in Portuguese and Spanish homes, but couldn't stay in Euskal Herria overnight. There's a reason the Gallic tribes went to the Po and not the Ebro.

They would be among the strongest ambushers in the game. Strong javelins, iron axes, oak shields and big men (well, compared to Lusotannians and Carthaginians, anyway...)

You guys always talk about wishing there was more going on in Iberia...

Well, the balares could be a similar option, romans feared them in the forests so much that they burned down half central sardinia rather than having to assault nuraghe after nuraghe...
Between the punic wars they were the de facto owners of Sardinia, carthaginians being kicked out by mercenaries and balares kicking the mercenaries out until the romans came.

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Originally Posted by HistoryProf

So, why not a Basque faction? They had been there for thousands of years and are still there thousands of years after.

They destroyed Charlemagne's rear guard, the Suebi literally ran through to Galicia, so did the Vandals. The Romans never left the fort in Pamplona. Basques even joined the legions and stood on Hadrians wall. The Moors were sleeping in Portuguese and Spanish homes, but couldn't stay in Euskal Herria overnight. There's a reason the Gallic tribes went to the Po and not the Ebro.

They would be among the strongest ambushers in the game. Strong javelins, iron axes, oak shields and big men (well, compared to Lusotannians and Carthaginians, anyway...)

You guys always talk about wishing there was more going on in Iberia...

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I have great admiration for the people that inhabited the area, and that's the sole reason I'm responding to this, and stepping into a nationalistic swamp. While we like to think that all these people were the same as the modern Basques there is no direct evidence that it is so. Even if the toponomy strongly suggests it.

There was no such thing as "Basques" in our time period. What you did have was a number of people that spoke a similar language (that was no where near unified in medieval times, or until modern times, so much less then) and shared a loose common ancestry. Now these people were spread throughout this side of the Pyrenees - the Tarbelli, the Caristii, or the Vardulli - and the other - the Ausci, the Volcates or the Vasates. The most important of all these people were the Vascones of course, that migrate south the Ebro Valley during a few centuries, but occupy a relatively small area of really useful land (the Romans would establish in this area, and then keep some ports and mining operations north).

The Celts not only crossed the Ebro, they settled there or influenced a lot of tribes in that area. You have the Celtiberians right there, and the Cantabri just to their left, not to mention the Ilergetes that were if not Celtiberian at the very least Celticized Iberians. They might not have been Celts per se, but don't underestimate Celtic influence there. The Aquitani had quite a few of these tribes under their thumb.

Besides the usual raiding done by this type of tribes, they made nothing worth of deserving a faction slot during our period, They even seem to have negotiated their way into the Roman Empire by providing auxiliaries to it. Only much later are they referred to collectively as Vascones.

Big men? :dizzy2:

:book: Yes. So you're saying your minds made up then?

Additionally I would prefere following factions (All German Names):

1. Central Europe: 1 Tribe in the East of Germany
Possible: Rugier; Langobarden; Burgunder; Reudinger; Kimbern;
Cherusker; Chauken; Gauten (Goten), Chatten, Quaden
1 Tribe in the Region of the Alps
Possible: Helviter, Taurisker, Hermunduren, Skordisker,
Bojer, Volscer, Dardaner
2. Eastern Europe: 1 Tribe in the Region of the Vistula River
Possible: Any Slavic Tribe, Ästier (early Baltics), Bastarner
3. Balcan Peninsula: 1 Tribe/State at the Adrian coast
Possible: The Illyrians (Works quite well on RTR)
1 Tribe/State in Thracia
Possible: Thraker (Celtic Empire of Tylis)
4. Asia Minor : 1 Tribe in the West of Asia Minor
Possible: The State of Rhodos, Bythinia, Cappadocia
And the southern coast belonging to the Ptolemy Empiire
5. Greece : Dividing the Koinon Hellenon into the Factions of Aetolia,
Achäa and Rhodos.
6. Africa : 3 States - The Kingdoms of Numidia and Mauretania and
Meroe
7. East : 2 States - The Mauryan Empire in India
The Sarmatians (Settlements int the East)
8. Spain : 1 Tribe - Any Iberian Tribe

Most likely not each of these has got to be a playable faction.
Additionally (If I got it right the unplayable factions are not as limited) the playable factions could include smaller states like:
Massilia and Syracuse
Such states give a much more realistic atmosphere.
Eventually the Yüeh Jin could be triggered as a horde, which appears at a historical accurate time.

A great thing would be having the Optimates or the Populares as a Roman Rebel faction (depending on which kind of policy you choose) It would make sense that only the rebelling generals and their troops (like pompey and caesar and their legions).

And please: Rework, the Roman Names in the family tree!
For in your system e.g. :
Gnaes Pompeius Magnus son becomes Quintus Tullius Magnus - the cognome is the name that is heired!
In reality it would have been:
Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus son becomes Quintus Pompeius + a random name (the cognomen!)

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Originally Posted by Arrius_Aurelius_Magnus

And please: Rework, the Roman Names in the family tree!
For in your system e.g. :
Gnaes Pompeius Magnus son becomes Quintus Tullius Magnus - the cognome is the name that is heired!
In reality it would have been:
Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus son becomes Quintus Pompeius + a random name (the cognomen!)

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This has already been done. The next release will have massively complete Roman names that are accurate and work correctly. Coming soon...

@MarcusAureliusAntonius

What about the Female names?
Like Marcus Tullios daughter would be called Tullia and so on?

What about my other "Beggings" ànd "Wishes"???

Names given by the engine, such as first names and female names are completely random. In the new naming system, names are given by 'ethnicity' traits, so females will only have random first names.

One of the criteria of a faction in EB/EB2 is that it is playable. For this reason, minor factions and rebel factions are not being considered. Also things that have been decided that won't go in: 2- factions on the edge of the map that would have territory outside of the map or would want to expand outside of the map, such as Eithiopia, India, or Scandinavia; 3- dividing up the Koinon Hellenon; 4- factions outside of the time frame, such as Yuezhi or a Germanic tribe that comes to great power 100-200 years after the start date.

I'm not sure about your list, most of those seem insignifigant, non-descript, or fit into one of the above. And for a few, I'm not entirely sure of the Latin name...

You guys decide on which Numidian faction yet?

Sounds quite reasonable. Realistic Roman Names Would be a great thing.
But why don't you us the unplayable factions? This would add a very realistic feature - Just like the Hordes that invaded Europe over and over again.

So what do you think about the inner-roman options? Rebel-Armies as Populares or Optimates (choosing which side you're on).
What about the Senat? (Not as a faction, but as a brief overview over the Romans inside?)

Does "Scandinavia" include modern day Denmark or just the scandinavian peninsula?

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Originally Posted by Arrius_Aurelius_Magnus

Sounds quite reasonable. Realistic Roman Names Would be a great thing.
But why don't you us the unplayable factions? This would add a very realistic feature - Just like the Hordes that invaded Europe over and over again.

So what do you think about the inner-roman options? Rebel-Armies as Populares or Optimates (choosing which side you're on).
What about the Senat? (Not as a faction, but as a brief overview over the Romans inside?)

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And why wouldn't other factions have such a similar thing? The Aedui would, as would Carthage. We could definately use something like that for Arche Seleukeia and Ptolemaioi. In the end we would just have every faction with a shadow faction. And if we chose just one it would be an act of favouritism.

We won't have unplayable factions. In other words.

Foot

Absolutely the only unplayable faction I'd like to see and think could be justified due to importance and emergence due to factors largely outside the map would be the Yuezhi. But I agree with the lack of other emerging factions inside the EB borders.