Mafia VII: Shadows of the Mafia [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by Sarathos

Vote: Inchigo

I agree with Andres, putting the pressure and focus on those who lurk, everyone knowing that I am one of them :2thumbsup: (Lurker pride!!!) doesnt really have any affect. Maybe you should focus on those who are
actually active because there is a greater chance that they are planning or maybe already going to do something. I dare say this true for Sasaki but thats pretty much the way he plays and it was actually a good test on who would actually follow such lack of evidence. Also general disscussion doesnt really force people to act or to speak, cause may people dont really like to be forced, but for us lurkers, it just gives us abother reason to stay away.

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Stifling discussion is never good for the town - you know better than that, mate...

Unvote: Husar; Vote: Sarathos

Sarathos needs to explain what he really meant by that post. Are you against discussion? If so, how should we detect the mafia in your opinion?

HoS: Sarathos

Too much posting, not enough rage-quitting. He is already playing vastly different from games when he is townie.

right lads!! dont worry i am here:clown:

apologies for not posting for like couple hours..
Today i had to stay at school for drama practice and i didnt have a time on computer during lessons. When i got home i realised i left my pair of glasses somewhere so im using my old weak one.. I dont really want to go on computer with my weak glasses so i was sleeping...

Theres a lots of you who i dont know yet. Nice to meet you im called beefy187 (not 182) just call me beefy. My usual playing style is spamming and getting lynched. I havnt survived yet.. Just to let you know im not creative enough to kill someone with chocolate..

So basically what im trying to say is.. Im innocent if there is anyone who suspects me.. and i will vote abstain on the first turn like i usually did on the first couple games

Vote: abstain

Which got you killed did it not beefy?

yea i really should stop speaking too much.. it seems that playing like i usually do increases my chance of getting killed/lynched 200 percent more:sweatdrop:

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Originally Posted by Beefy187

yea i really should stop speaking too much.. it seems that playing like i usually do increases my chance of getting killed/lynched 200 percent more:sweatdrop:

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Dying doesn't impede one's chances of success in a Mafia game, especially in such as these where the dead are allowed to continue discussion. If you are town, you win if the town wins, whether or not you survive. If you are mafia, you win when the mafia win, whether or not you survive. I've not survived a single completed game so far, but I've won in every one except Kung Fu Mafia. So participate in the discussions as much as you can.

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Originally Posted by Andres

Did you read the rest of my post?

*sigh*


I'll elaborate a bit more: 1) because he stated the obvious without actually contributing much to the discussion 2) because he said he had an eye on some players: those that bandwagoned + those who are lurking and "should know better", yet he doesn't attack any of them. It seems like he is holding himself, like he doesn't want to vote. It's a post that looks helpful, but in fact isn't. He also says it's good to generate discussion, because it forces people to take a stand, yet he doesn't take a stand himself.

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What are you talking about? I took a BIG stand by calling Kagemusha on a very obvious "Have those mafia scum sent in their orders" post right before the first night closed, and in fact, I was the first person to vote, based on exactly that.

I don't mind getting lynched. As I said, somebody has to be. I just don't want the town to throw a round away so I'm highlighting two things that I noticed. If they're obvious to you, Andres, wonderful, but they may not have been obvious to everyone.

<Not defensive, but a little sore for being declared overtly obvious>.

hmm 6 pagers of disscussion and no clear targets, the only real possibility i can see would be Sasaki Kojiro as it looks to me like he implicated don to get attention away from himself and then goes back on that to look like a townie.

so for the time being Vote: Sasaki

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Originally Posted by Sarathos

Vote: Inchigo

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Ok, but is there any good reason?

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Originally Posted by Sarathos

I dare say this true for Sasaki but thats pretty much the way he plays and it was actually a good test on who would actually follow such lack of evidence.

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Well, whether someone hints at it subtly like Sasaki did or gives you a full reveal with faked PMs doesn't really make any evidence, I'd also like to see your "evidence" for voting Ichigo because right now you seem a bit hypocritical at best.

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Originally Posted by Sarathos

Also general disscussion doesnt really force people to act or to speak, cause may people dont really like to be forced, but for us lurkers, it just gives us abother reason to stay away.

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On the other hand, you lurkers are a danger because we can hardly say anything about you, there's usually no evidence against anyone but it's hard to get a feeling for someone who doesn't post at all. There's also a reason for the existance of the WoG.

7 hours and counting down...

Are we getting close to actually picking any candidates for this lynch?
Two candidates are in the lead with 4 each. then a bunch of 2 votes and 1 votes... this picture can change quickly when the reamining 14 starts to vote.

We have the following current tally:


DonC: 4 (Andres, Brave, Kage, Shlin)
Sasaki: 4 (ByzK, Husar, Tiberius, Xiahou)
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DoH: 2 (Ichigo, Sasaki)
Ichigo: 2 (DoH, Sarothos)
Sarathos: 2 (Pann, sapi)
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Andres: 1 (Woads)
FesterS: 1 (CR)
gkhaan: 1 (Stig)
Kage: 1 (DonC)
Lemur: 1 (Kommodus)
Pra Tha: 1 (Lemur)
Woads: 1 (gkhaan)
Xiahou: 1 (Xdeath)

Abstains: 1 (Beefy)
Not voting: 14
(GvI, CountA, Disco, Dutch, Fester, Frag, Ingoramus, Killfr, PraTha, Prole, RoadK, Tran, Twilight, Warmaster)

I would say Sarathos is the best lynch. So far he is the only one playing out of character.

Unvote Don Corlene, Vote Sarathos

Lurkers=never good

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

What are you talking about? I took a BIG stand by calling Kagemusha on a very obvious "Have those mafia scum sent in their orders" post right before the first night closed, and in fact, I was the first person to vote, based on exactly that.

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Sounds reasonable. On the other hand, that early in the game, any statement can be made to vote somebody without running the risk of a closer examiniation. You took stand allright, but at a moment were it didn't really matter. Besides, I wasn't talking about that particular post. It's the post I quoted we are talking about.

Anyway, how about the people who jumped on the bandwagon against you? Why do we need to keep an eye on them? On which one in particular? And why that one and not the others? Talk, name a suspect :whip:

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

I don't mind getting lynched.

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Off course you don't. Nobody does. We are all innocent and we want the town to win, hence why nobody of us doesn't mind getting lynched or killed. Nobody is mafia in this game, we are all playing pro-town... :stupido3:

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

If they're obvious to you, Andres, wonderful, but they may not have been obvious to everyone.

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You said that provoking discussion is good for the town: obvious. Most of the discussion is going on between a small percentage of players: obvious. We need everybody to talk, including the lurkers: obvious.

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

<Not defensive, but a little sore for being declared overtly obvious>.

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I cannot state something different than that it was obvious that you were stating nothing but the obvious in the quoted post.

:shrug:

unvote,vote:Don Corleone

his defence is off. He's a bit too eager to profess his innocence and doesn't seem his usual self.

Too eager to profess his innocence? What's he supposed to do, hint at being guilty? I don't think he's acting out of the ordinary at all.

FoS: Sasaki

Unvote: Lemur (see, that wasn't so hard, was it?)
Vote: Husar

I think I agree with the earlier comments of Andres and sapi; his comments seem just a bit overly defensive. He was one of the players I was mildly suspicious of.

Also, FoS: Sasaki for casting what looks to me like a tie-breaking vote against Don Corleone. I don't think either player should be lynched this round, yet for some reason they're the frontrunners. :inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by Andres

Anyway, how about the people who jumped on the bandwagon against you? Why do we need to keep an eye on them? On which one in particular? And why that one and not the others? Talk, name a suspect :whip:

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Okay, well I don't know the other two gents, so I'd say ANDRES for starters is acting the most suspiciuosly. I caught you in a lie, claiming I hadn't made an argument against anybody, and you shrug it off and say "but you didn't answer one specific post I made, forget what I claimed in the general sense". How very lawyerly of you.

I actually don't think Sasaki is acting suspiciously. Even if he is innocent, and even if he believes I am, he'd want to save his skin. He'll probably feel a bit guilty for getting me lynched, but hey, somebody has to go first. Sasaki always has a "I'll help you if I can, but if its you or me, its me" attitude. Throwing me under the bus is par for the course for him.

But HUSAR also is acting pretty strangely. Not as strangely as Andres, but still... it's very odd for him to go after somebody so vehemently with nothing. And I'm not saying that because it's me. Just be prepared for this ghost to haunt the two of you for the rest of the game, because as mafia, the two of you stink. :thumbsdown: Way, way, way too obvious. I know you are, Andres, and I strongly suspect Husar is your sidekick, but I don't know that to be true.

Well... Husar was third on the bandwagon (not counting Sasaki). :yes:

Now, that wasn't difficult, was it Don?

Unvote : Don Corleone

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

I caught you in a lie, claiming I hadn't made an argument against anybody, and you shrug it off and say "but you didn't answer one specific post I made, forget what I claimed in the general sense". How very lawyerly of you.

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Actually you didn't. I was talking about one particular post, you mentioned another, previous post I wasn't referring too. Not "lawyerly", at most a simple misunderstanding.

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

He'll probably feel a bit guilty for getting me lynched, but hey, somebody has to go first. Sasaki always has a "I'll help you if I can, but if its you or me, its me" attitude.

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Actually, he gave a reason for his vote. He didn't just vote to save his skin imo. He has done that before, but then he did it without giving a reason or he voted just saying something in the lines of "I'm innocent, so better lynch someone else."

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

the two of you stink

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That's a lie. I don't stink. I took a shower this morning and put up deodorant.

And Husar is indeed acting suspicious.

EDIT : Vote : Husar

Im sticking with Don. I might be wrong,but i posted my post becouse it was ment as bate and i still think Don bit it.:yes:

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

7 hours and counting down...

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A bit longer than that, actually. I'll probably close it at around Midnight GMT.

New tally:

Sasaki: 4 (ByzK, Husar, Tiberius, Xiahou)
DonC: 3 (Brave, Kage, Sasaki)
Sarathos: 3 (Pann, sapi, shlin)
Husar: 2 (Kommodus, Andres)
Ichigo: 2 (DoH, Sarothos)
DoH: 1 (Ichigo)
Andres: 1 (Woads)
FesterS: 1 (CR)
gkhaan: 1 (Stig)
Kage: 1 (DonC)
Pra Tha: 1 (Lemur)
Woads: 1 (gkhaan)
Xiahou: 1 (Xdeath)

Abstains: 1 (Beefy)
Not voting: 14
(GvI, CountA, Disco, Dutch, Fester, Frag, Ingoramus, Killfr, PraTha, Prole, RoadK, Tran, Twilight, Warmaster)

Meh, I'll stick to Don as well.

Unvote : Husar
Vote : Don Corleone.

Sorry for the vote switching GH.

Edit : tally

Sasaki: 4 (ByzK, Husar, Tiberius, Xiahou)
DonC: 4 (Brave, Kage, Sasaki, Andres)
Sarathos: 3 (Pann, sapi, shlin)
Ichigo: 2 (DoH, Sarothos)
DoH: 1 (Ichigo)
Andres: 1 (Woads)
FesterS: 1 (CR)
gkhaan: 1 (Stig)
Kage: 1 (DonC)
Pra Tha: 1 (Lemur)
Woads: 1 (gkhaan)
Xiahou: 1 (Xdeath)
Husar: 1 (Kommodus)

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Originally Posted by Proletariat

Too eager to profess his innocence? What's he supposed to do, hint at being guilty? I don't think he's acting out of the ordinary at all.

FoS: Sasaki

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Why FoS and not Vote ?

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Originally Posted by Sarathos

Maybe you should focus on those who are actually active because there is a greater chance that they are planning or maybe already going to do something. I dare say this true for Sasaki but thats pretty much the way he plays and it was actually a good test on who would actually follow such lack of evidence.

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What the ... kill the people who are most active in discussion? Dude, I've seen mafia games like that. Guess how it looks when only the lurkers are left? Ghost town. Silence.

Very strange reasoning on your part, Sarathos. Could be any number of motivations for it, but I'm going to assume the worst.

Unvote: Pra Tha
Vote: Sarathos

Interesting play going on here.

I wouldn’t post my suspicions in this round as I was eagerly awaiting the results of night 2.

But it is obvious that my killer knows me and hence is not a newbie to this game. Just look at the write up. My question to GH would be: who wrote the kill description? Is it all GH? I am a bit reluctant to point out all the flaws since this could be the case.

The hole in the ground is a very similar kill to a kill in a previous game where an Ox got mad at a red handkerchief. Remember this?
To decide to get me in the first round puts suspicion firstly on Sasaki. Last time the mafia decided this, there was a tie between the Mafia and the town. Sasaki was on the mafia side. Maybe he wants a rematch of wits.
Andres or Husar would also be candidates as this prank would be right up their alley .

Another player that twigs my gut feeling is Pannonian. He has been asking us to join the TWC games to show those guys how real veterans play. Well I guess as he mentioned in one of his earlier posts in this round, that it is another ball park when dead players are allowed to participate in the discussion. Who better to show them what the dangers are than kill off the one player that two times previously made life difficult (more interesting) for the mafia when off’d in the first round.
Another suspect would have been GH, but he is hosting.

FoS: Andres for vote switching to his buddy in crime and then realising his mistake, puts a tie back on Sasaki.

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My question to GH would be: who wrote the kill description?

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I will be unable to answer any questions of this sort until after the game is over. :grin:

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

I will be unable to answer any questions of this sort until after the game is over. :grin:

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Sooo ...
You don't mind if I dissect the writups? It could get nasty.

By all means, but you won't know whether it's the mafia's work or the host's blundering.