Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia [Concluded]

Looking back over some of Sarathos' posts, i'm a bit more suspicious of him now. He isn't usually as involved as he seems to be trying to be now. Seems a bit like a mafia player trying too hard to fit in to me.

People suspect Kage because he is a good mafioso and his lack of post is spooking people.

CapoII is a horrible benchmark to measure stuff by. It is unique and I would only resort to using it as a reference if it's the only game a person has played in.

FoS: Tincow, Factionheir
While I am very interested in the contents of the full writeup, "sitting out" until it comes out is scummy.

Also FoS: Sarathos for having an unusually high number of posts and for being so thick skulled as to think me and CR getting whacked in the same night is "the mafia killing off lurkers".

Capo2 is just as good a benchmark, for the players who went fairly deep into the game, as any. Admittedly some of those who died early just faded away, and it would distort things for them.

TinCow's activity level seems to be a reversion to the baseline. I'll compare him in Taormina and Underworld (active bad guy in both) to see if he's consistent there. If so, we can provisionally label him a townie.

Sasaki may simply be busy -- or cagey -- he's a bright lad and capable of either. Plus, he's been posting often enough in the backroom to make me think he's not quite as absent as some believe.

Kommodus' explanation is very much in his style, albeit unsatisfying for this outing. Pity too, I had played the first few phases specifically to see if I could sidestep Holmes.

More thoughts later.

Edit: TinCow's other badguy big game -- Netherworld -- saw him posting at 3.0/ppp; very much in line with his mafia role in Taormina and suggestive of a non-mafioso status this time.

Sarathos was 0.54/ppp in Netherworld as a townie. Not in line with this game....

Sasaki's FoS's on TC are pretty weak. He normally provides much more analysis.

A Sasaki/TC mafia team would be quite potent. But I don't have any more evidence other than the "they are good players" reason that I tend to not like. But it might explain why Sasaki is throwing such "weak" suspicion onto TC. Could be to get us off of their scent. Again, it isn't even a hunch. Call it the tiniest of inklings...

See above comments.

Vote: Sarathos

Vote:TinCow

For a few reasons. Basically a few "convenient" posts.

I've been inactive because it's been wicked hot and muggy in my room (+ the three day road trip) and I figured I may as well see how things develop without my meddling.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

For a few reasons. Basically a few "convenient" posts.

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Care to give examples of which of his posts you find "convenient"?

You usually present a much stronger case against people than this.

Well you can FOS me all you want and i can tell you it will only get worse, because while last weekend i was on a cruise boat trip to Tallin, tomorrow il be leaving to a rock festival for the next weekend. I am truly sorry that my vacation schedule has not been good for the game.

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Elite Ferret 21 1.5/ppp compared with 0.76 in Taormina and 0.65 in capo2

Quite a few people are posting differently than usual for them. Let's hear from them, shall we?

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That obviously proves me innocent, even though I'm dead, as I was mafia in Capo (hence the low post count) and in the middle of exams in Taormina.

The summary is up. Time to analyze it so TC and FH feel like posting again. :clown:

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Instead, he creaned his neck around and watched as the mafioso walked into the barn, whistling a merry tune.

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An extra E. I would discount this for now unless we get a hint to look for extra letters.

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Once it was done to suffiency, the mafioso stepped back (way back) and flicked the still-lit cigar onto his victim.

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The proper spelling of this word is "sufficiency" so that is an I and a C that are missing.

S A N S N I V I C

It would be questionable where it would be CI or IC though as the I can be placed either way.

Neither word seems to mean anything in google besides some people's names or companies.
Going through manually I couldn't find any more missing except maybe depardmed maybe missing an n, but then in the previous writeup a letter was also omitted (instead of replaced) in the broken nose writeup.

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Care to give examples of which of his posts you find "convenient"?

You usually present a much stronger case against people than this.

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I don't remember exactly, I think it was his gerrymandering about the pever issue and something before that as well.

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

Going through manually I couldn't find any more missing except maybe depardmed maybe missing an n, but then in the previous writeup a letter was also omitted (instead of replaced) in the broken nose writeup.

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I admit I am ignoring the broken nose comments for the purpose of this exercise. At least unless we get some hint to go look at them.

I'm going for what is "missing". Not "replaced" or "added". It's a gamble but I'm going by what the hint said.

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

I admit I am ignoring the broken nose comments for the purpose of this exercise. At least unless we get some hint to go look at them.

I'm going for what is "missing". Not "replaced" or "added". It's a gamble but I'm going by what the hint said.

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Missing isn't the clue. Lost letters. A letter could well be lost if it has found its way somewhere it shouldn't be. :scholar:

Vote: FactionHeir

Seamus' analysis of the post history seems pretty accurate to me, and it fingers FH. Plus, I was just glancing through the 'Drunk Lawyers' game (how could I not read that one every once in a while?) and noticed this post by FH. Apparently FH has recently and intentionally changed his style of play. This fits in well with Seamus' analysis. The question then remains why FH changed his play style. I can think of several reasons, but one has a big old mafioso stamped on it. Plus, I can't think of a better vote at the moment.

Happy PK?

So your assumption basically is that I am a mafioso in both games because the style and posting frequency is the same?
Then I might just as well say that because your posting frequency and style is the same as in Capo and Taormina where you were mafia, you are mafia here? Something about fuzzy logic I would believe.

Regardless of that, I have already FoSed you earlier for several sudden changes of mind and some discrepancies in your posts several pages back, if someone would like to dig them up (and check they have not been edited thereafter) that might show that TC may be hiding something.

For the moment however I think Craterus' idea is interesting, but from the other typos so far, they don't seem to suggest a connection between our found letters and those misspells.

Ok, unvote: Kommodus, due to his recent post. Unfortunate that Kommodus won't be very helpful.

Vote: FactionHeir. Changes in style can be for many reasons, and many of them are not conducive to town victory.

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Tally:

FactionHeir: 2(TinCow, makaikhaan)
Caius: 1(*Sarathos)
Abstain: 1(Gaius Scribonius Curio)
Kommodus: 1(Sigurd Fafnesbane)
Kagemusha: 1(Shlin28)
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88: 1(Kommodus)
Sarathos: 1(Seamus Fermanagh)
TinCow: 1(Sasaki Kojiro)

*Sarathos never unvoted Caius, thus his vote for me is, at the moment, null

To be honest I don't really care if I'm lynched or not, since I can continue to analyze the code alongside PK then as a confirmed innocent if you will.
The only thing that is lost is an active vote, but we still have enough of those anyway.

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

So your assumption basically is that I am a mafioso in both games because the style and posting frequency is the same?
Then I might just as well say that because your posting frequency and style is the same as in Capo and Taormina where you were mafia, you are mafia here? Something about fuzzy logic I would believe.

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You're a mafioso in the Lawyers game? I just opened the last page looking for a write-up (I wanted to see how Andres wrote lawyers killing each other) and saw that post a short way down. I didn't read much farther so I don't know what role you have in there.

Also, it is your logic that is fuzzy, because Seamus' conclusion that I was townie in this game was based on the fact that my posting frequency is much lower than in games when I was mafia. I admit this annoys me, because I wanted to be consistent in my games.

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Regardless of that, I have already FoSed you earlier for several sudden changes of mind and some discrepancies in your posts several pages back, if someone would like to dig them up (and check they have not been edited thereafter) that might show that TC may be hiding something.

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If you think I'm mafioso, then vote for me. Better than voting for someone you don't think is mafioso. Sasaki has already popped a vote on me and people have been FoSing me since the game started, so I think I'm an easy target for a bandwagon.

Voting you would be a retaliation/meatball vote and bad practice. :no:
I'm happy with abstaining for the moment until some actual damning evidence is available.

Since I am still not mafia I would like to point out that I think sarathos is Mafia.

Joe

These are all posts (besides "Innage.") that Joe Monks posted so far:

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Originally Posted by Joe Monks

As I am not Mafia I better post quick

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Originally Posted by Joe Monks

vote:pever

I will jump on the most awesome bandwagon if possible.

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Originally Posted by Joe Monks

Since I am still not mafia I would like to point out that I think sarathos is Mafia.

Joe

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I don't think this needs any other explanation but vote: Joe Monks

you really think I am Mafia??

Thats a little quick Factionheir.

Vote:FactionHeir

After checking his posts in previous games I also believe that a Joe Monks bandwagon should be starting right about now.

Vote:Joe

I would follow Woads to hell and back.

Looks more like a retaliation bandwagon on me. He's third on it as well heh.

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Originally Posted by Joe Monks

you really think I am Mafia??

Thats a little quick Factionheir.

Vote:FactionHeir

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You should vote for TinCow.

K I'm going to be inactive probably all the rest of the day phase (RL issues).

As FactionHeir was top of my (admittedly short) list of suspects, I'm going to Unvote, Vote: Faction Heir.

I looked in on 'The drunk lawyers' thread and noticed a difference in posting style (I may be wrong), but you were on Seamus's list and I don't want to 'waste' my vote.

See you all tomorrow (...hopefully).

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

You should vote for TinCow.

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Why?

I may be watching "Catch me if you can" the movie right now. Since I am not mafia I just want to see who is quick to bandwagon me. Mainly because I am not mafia and I missed most of the thread through not reading it.

Joe

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Originally Posted by Joe Monks

Why?

I may be watching "Catch me if you can" the movie right now. Since I am not mafia I just want to see who is quick to bandwagon me. Mainly because I am not mafia and I missed most of the thread through not reading it.

Joe

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That is quite a poor excuse actually since being the first to vote you is hardly a bandwagon, while your vote on me was a bandwagon vote as I already had 2 on me.

I wonder if monks has some kind of post restriction...

what do you mean Sasaki?

I cant post everyday due to real life so is that the kind of restriction you mean? I am not the Mafia however.

Joe

Joe Monks has done this sort of thing before in the past, and the town knee jerked by lynching him instead of the extremely guilty TinCow. He's behaving exactly as he has in the past, when he was completely innocent.

So how is TC behaving if you consider all his posts in this thread so far?

Unvote:Joe, Vote: TC

I would follow Khaan to Hel and back.

:inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Happy PK?

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I'm happy with anything that helps the town.

Finally, people are talking.

Guys, keep the pressure on FH but spread it around. Don't bandwagon him. Keep some votes on TC as well.

And don't let Khaan off the hook. Sarathos either.

I think Joe Monks is a bad vote right now. You got way better suspects at the moment.

meh. unvote: JM, vote: TC

Ah I get the feeling we're watching mafia members panic.

This is fun.

*gets popcorn and since he is a ghost, it can't be stolen*

More like following what you say and keeping pressure on TC as well.

FH:

You're a notch more active here than any previous game.

1.54/ppp as a Detective in Netherworld; 1.94/ppp in St. Thomas as a townie; 1.82/ppp as a Bodyguard in Castle I.

Oddly, you seem to increase posting as your role becomes less of a "power role," or at least that's the case so far.... :inquisitive:


Sasaki-san:

You are way below average for you this time around. 'kev is dusting you on post-count! Will you let this go unchallenged?!? :laugh4:

It's interesting. The town is being led by PK as the most active poster. Makes me wonder whether is first-round antics were in fact a daring gambit to sacrifice one mafioso as a 'confirmed' town (as he was so quick to point out) so that he can then work to lead the town astray. Hmm.

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Originally Posted by Craterus

It's interesting. The town is being led by PK as the most active poster. Makes me wonder whether is first-round antics were in fact a daring gambit to sacrifice one mafioso as a 'confirmed' town (as he was so quick to point out) so that he can then work to lead the town astray. Hmm.

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This is of course possible. I won't ask you to trust me.

Just consider what would be more helpful to the mafia.

a.) sacrificing one of their two people for the dubious "advantage" of having a ghost in the beginning of the game or,

b.) having 2 people alive to increase the chances of at least 1 surviving to the end.

If the mafia suicides one of their own people, then that lone mafia needs to be both very good and very lucky.

If I was mafia, and my partner said they were going to suicide on Day 1, I would tell them they are crazy.

As for being active, I've been trying to get everyone to be active. If there is silence, mafia can hide in it. The more posting and analysis there is, the better.

Interesting theory, Caterus, but it does sound a bit risky.

Vote: Beefy for the same reasons as last round, I never did get a response.

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

This is of course possible. I won't ask you to trust me.

Just consider what would be more helpful to the mafia.

a.) sacrificing one of their two people for the dubious "advantage" of having a ghost in the beginning of the game or,

b.) having 2 people alive to increase the chances of at least 1 surviving to the end.

If the mafia suicides one of their own people, then that lone mafia needs to be both very good and very lucky.

If I was mafia, and my partner said they were going to suicide on Day 1, I would tell them they are crazy.

As for being active, I've been trying to get everyone to be active. If there is silence, mafia can hide in it. The more posting and analysis there is, the better.

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Everyone wants to pull off something special. I remember when I was mafia with FH in the Pub Crawl game and he chose to use his first kill on Proletariat, the host. Helpful? No. Different, yes.

I'm just saying we shouldn't rule it out. It's always dangerous when the town is being led by one player and it's something that Sasaki usually does very well which is why he's considered such a dangerous player, IMO. I understand that you're trying to create discussion but one player tries to invigorate the scene, it's suspicious. Really, the town should create its own discussion with several posters bouncing some ideas around. I'm sure activity will pick up soon.

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Originally Posted by Craterus

I understand that you're trying to create discussion but one player tries to invigorate the scene, it's suspicious. Really, the town should create its own discussion with several posters bouncing some ideas around. I'm sure activity will pick up soon.

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I see what your saying. But it gets frustrating when people are like, "well I'm just going to wait before I say anything." :wall:

So, I stoke the fires a little and see what happens. When satisfied, I back off and go to the next lurker/joker/abstainer/suspicious person. The more I can put the spotlight on these people, and get them to talk, the better.

Of course I would prefer if multiple people did it. But a lot of people seem busy in real life or lurking. So I then have one of two choices. I can try to get the discussion going myself, or I can just say !@#$ it and give up. If I do the former, I "might" do some good. If I do the latter, I won't help at all.

I vote you give up. :grin:

:bow: I think you're doing the right thing. Was just highlighting the dangers for the town.

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

I vote you give up. :grin:

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And that would help the town how?

You've been acting funny this game but I think it's "goofing off because I'm bored" funny rather than "scummy".

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Originally Posted by Craterus

:bow: I think you're doing the right thing. Was just highlighting the dangers for the town.

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I honestly don't think PK is(or rather was) mafia. In a game with just 2 mafioso, sacrificing 1 just to mislead the town isn't good strategy, unless he is extremely confident in his partners ability to avoid getting lynched. A bad bandwagon or a detective reveal would end the game pretty quickly.

I don't see where this suspicion on Tincow is coming from. His recent posts show he isn't very active at the org in general, not just in this game. Plus, he just doesn't seem like the type to try and lurk through the game to me. I think people are just a bit suspicious of him because of his recent success at mafia.( I'm personally still a bit annoyed about Netherworld, myself. :laugh4:)

Factionheir should probably be lynched though. Even if he's innocent, we simply can't have people arguing over his guilt clutter up every day phase.

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

And that would help the town how?

You've been acting funny this game but I think it's "goofing off because I'm bored" funny rather than "scummy".

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Less posts to read? :bounce:

I think I've been acting more stupid then funny, but to each his own I assume.

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Originally Posted by Craterus

Missing isn't the clue. Lost letters. A letter could well be lost if it has found its way somewhere it shouldn't be. :scholar:

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You have a point. :bow:

Here are the "lost" letters I have found.

N2:

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The birds had returned since the unexpected disturbance of their morning routine yesterday, although they were not singing, as if wary that there would be a similiar breaking of the silence today.

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I added

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Andre, out of breath, stopped automatically to wave back and chat with the man. "Excellent morning for running, I do say," he said aimiably.

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S missing, I added

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Craterus, deep in the Frontroom marshes, watched the ducks fly away with his high-powered binoculrs.

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A missing

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Apparently not having got the message, this obviously coldhearted, callous, unfeeling individual quickly earned the ire of everyone around him by cracking (bad) jokes, voting for weird reasons, and generally ot taking the process seriously.

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N missing

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You ee, thanks to the OBI's meddling, I didn't even have an execution planned. Anyway, go back to your homes and hope we made the right decision.

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S missing

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"Downtown," he muttered, pocketing his bioculars and getting into his old blue car. From what he gathered, it had to be there, consdering that the birds were flying in all directions away from that area and that he had heard the shot from his house, meaning that it was probably fired on a roof where there wasn't much to block the sound from going far.

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N missing, I missing

D3:

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An outside observer witnessing this scene might have noted that the villagers of the Frontroom were perhaps too into it, chanting and screaming and calling for engeance.

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V missing

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Pressing a button, a propellor popped out of the top of Beirut's police hat

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O instead of E

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Instead, he creaned his neck around and watched as the mafioso walked into the barn, whistling a merry tune.

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E added

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Once it was done to suffiency, the mafioso stepped back (way back) and flicked the still-lit cigar onto his victim.

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C missing, I missing
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Thoughts?

http://www.foodtime.eu/ud/827/

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Originally Posted by Rythmic

Interesting theory, Caterus, but it does sound a bit risky.

Vote: Beefy for the same reasons as last round, I never did get a response.

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Look ill bang my head on the wall for unintentional WIFOM :wall: I really should stop doing WIFOMs...

Looking at this round, I don't think Joe Monks is the one we are after. He reacted like a confused townie.

Since I havnt read all the post but only the post after WF and CRs death, I cannot say anything about other two suspects FH and TC. I will vote for TC for the time being while I find a better culprit with my own reasoning

Vote: TC

Also if Rythmic is still suspecious of me, I am more then happy to suicide if I get more then one of dead players command. Im a little too busy still anyway.

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

So how is TC behaving if you consider all his posts in this thread so far?

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To be totally honest, I'm not sure. TC's behavior is hard to decipher in my opinion, because from my perspective anyways(granted, I do not go into the detail that some of our more committed members do), TC's not only relatively consistent in his behavior, but also has little history of actually being a townsperson for a whole game. I say we leave him alive because of his potential value to the town. Some of our more esteemed members may be able to pick up some kind of hiccup in behavior, but I frankly cannot.

I'm also curious about Sasaki. It seems a bit reckless to decide that GH's game will make for a "good experiment" rather than contribute to his full potential.

Unvote:TC, Vote: Khaan

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Less posts to read? :bounce:

I think I've been acting more stupid then funny, but to each his own I assume.

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Howcome I get lynched for being stupid but everyone just ignores Ichigo?

~:mecry:

PK, the first one has a lost I not lost A. similiar should be similar not similir :tongue2:

And yes I think Ichigo's meatballing seems very suspicious.

I'd like to hear more from Kukrikhan.

Ichigo's meatballing is annoying and nonsensical, but it's so bound to attract attention that I think it's unlikely to be mafioso behavior. Too easy to get lynched with that kind of voting, he would be more careful. Then again, he may be a worthy lynch just because it's irritating.

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Ichigo's meatballing is annoying and nonsensical, but it's so bound to attract attention that I think it's unlikely to be mafioso behavior. Too easy to get lynched with that kind of voting, he would be more careful. Then again, he may be a worthy lynch just because it's irritating.

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Interesting post :inquisitive:

I'm wondering if his meatballing may be a diversion for something else: anyone got a tally?

Ichigo just likes to have fun. He has a veering post style most of the time (regardless of role).

In fact, it's only when things get a bit too "serious" and less "game" that he's apt to opt out of a mafia for a day or two.

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Ichigo just likes to have fun. He has a veering post style most of the time (regardless of role).

In fact, it's only when things get a bit too "serious" and less "game" that he's apt to opt out of a mafia for a day or two.

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What's your opinion on TinCow's last post?

Kukrihan's post count is also significantly higher then in his last games, where he was pro-town.

Not only that, but most of his posts don't contain much substance.

At the beginning of the game, Kukri wanted to lynch "the lurkers" which is something that shouldn't be done early at the game.

Voting lurkers at the start of a large mafia = voting with bad reasoning.

After that we had the peverpink "reveal". At first he wanted to lynch pever, but later he changed his opinion.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

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Originally Posted by KukriKhan

OK, I'll go with the "give pever the benefit of a doubt" plan, because I can't explain his motivation (and he hasn't either). His accusation against Kage is too shaky to trust.

unvote: peverpink
vote: Mithrandir

^^My default position: vote off the lurkers, intentional or not.

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If we give pever the benefit of the doubt, then shouldn't Kage be our lynch for today?

If we assume pever is the detective, then what exactly is shaky about "Hi, I'm the detecive and my investigation result shows Kage as guilty"?



Most of the lurkers will be dealt with by the Wrath of God (WoG). We should pay attention to the lurkers within a day or 3, namely to those who haven't posted much and still managed to avoid the WoG by then.

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Again he wanted to lynch lurkers. Kukri is more then experienced enough (I believe he already played mafia while I was still a junior member) to know that lynching lurkers must wait until late mid game.

When questioned about it, he started to pay attention to the "lost letters" riddle, which is an easy way to "contribute" without really having to say something or take a stance about other players' behaviour. To me, it seems like his contributions about "the riddle", are just a way to avoid looking suspicious.

We all know Kukri as the nice and friendly guy he is, but that doesn't mean he can't be a mafioso. Just like we shouldn't lynch people because they have the reputation to be "dangerous", we shouldn't let people with a "friendly" reputation of the hook so easily.

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Howcome I get lynched for being stupid but everyone just ignores Ichigo?

~:mecry:

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I'm not ignoring Ichigo. When you were doing it, I couldn't see any better lynch targets so I focused on getting an un-helpful townie. Now there are better lynch targets so Ichigo is lower on my list of lynch priorities.

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

PK, the first one has a lost I not lost A. similiar should be similar not similir :tongue2:

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Doh! :wall:

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Ichigo's meatballing is annoying and nonsensical, but it's so bound to attract attention that I think it's unlikely to be mafioso behavior. Too easy to get lynched with that kind of voting, he would be more careful. Then again, he may be a worthy lynch just because it's irritating.

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No, lynch meatballers "after" lynching suspicious people. :inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

I'm wondering if his meatballing may be a diversion for something else: anyone got a tally?

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I think you are trying way too hard to throw suspicion onto other people. In my opinion, your trying too hard to get out of a lynch.

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We all know Kukri as the nice and friendly guy he is, but that doesn't mean he can't be a mafioso. Just like we shouldn't lynch people because they have the reputation to be "dangerous", we shouldn't let people with a "friendly" reputation of the hook so easily.

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That is a good point. But TC and FH seem like better targets at the moment. We should look into Kukri later after these two are dead or cleared.

Fine, lynch me, as long as you lynch TC afterwards. Then I'll be happy :grin:

Oh, and of course apologize to me after the game because you lynched a townie. I want to see that :yes:

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

That is a good point. But TC and FH seem like better targets at the moment. We should look into Kukri later after these two are dead or cleared.

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Oh yeah, feel free to ignore the actual case :shame:

Got a hidden agenda, Mister "Let's get myself lynched round 1" ?

Anyway, I'm interested in what Kukri has to say.

Why don't you living guys say :"Vote : Kukrikhan", to put some pressure on him?

Because he must be my scum buddy :clown:

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

Because he must be my scum buddy :clown:

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Are you confessing your sins?

Alright Beefy's response seems reasonable.

Unvote : Beefy

Vote: Kukrikhan, what'cha got to say for yourself?

Oi, that's my phrase I used in the Lawyer game.
And yes, I confess to having changed my style. Happy? :grin:

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Originally Posted by Rythmic

Alright Beefy's response seems reasonable.

Unvote : Beefy

Vote: Kukrikhan, what'cha got to say for yourself?

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I say: I am a townie. I have a personal interest in anything having to do with puzzles, codes, word-problems, steganography - it's a hobby of mine. Some of the older backroom posters/readers will remember that little tidbit about me.

Tuesday was a mid-week day-off work for me; I planned to help TosaInu with the forum upgrade, but he declined, saying he'd pretty much finished up already, so I spent the day here instead, playing with GH's 'clues' - to little avail, it turned out, so I eased off that angle.

I disagree with the strategy of waiting to eliminate lurkers in mid-to-end game. They do not help the town, and serve only to complicate their search for bad-guys. If not WoG'd, they often pop up at end-game as mafia, with: "Ha-ha! All I had to do is out-wait you guys!". We're in what, Day 4 now? Meaning the game has gone for a week. Anyone who signed up, yet hasn't posted is highly suspicious to me - moreso than any active poster here. The only active (sort of) poster who seems to be acting uncharacteristically to me is Sasaki Kojiro; I've never seen him post so infrequently, nor have such a blase' accounting for his absence. Heat wave?

vote: Sasaki Kojiro

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

Oh, and of course apologize to me after the game because you lynched a townie. I want to see that :yes:

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I do the best I can with the information I have at the time. Since we very rarely have actual evidence to work with, all we can do is guess. But guessing is better than doing nothing.

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Originally Posted by Andres

Oh yeah, feel free to ignore the actual case :shame:

Got a hidden agenda, Mister "Let's get myself lynched round 1" ?

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I have no hidden agenda.

I'm not ignoring Kukri. It's just that a couple other people are looking more suspicious to me at the moment. It's just my opinion. I say focus on FH and TC now. Look at Kukri, Khaan, and Sarathos later. Way down the list, look at the meatballers/abstainers/lurkers.

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Originally Posted by KukriKhan

I disagree with the strategy of waiting to eliminate lurkers in mid-to-end game. They do not help the town, and serve only to complicate their search for bad-guys. If not WoG'd, they often pop up at end-game as mafia, with: "Ha-ha! All I had to do is out-wait you guys!". We're in what, Day 4 now? Meaning the game has gone for a week. Anyone who signed up, yet hasn't posted is highly suspicious to me - moreso than any active poster here. The only active (sort of) poster who seems to be acting uncharacteristically to me is Sasaki Kojiro; I've never seen him post so infrequently, nor have such a blase' accounting for his absence. Heat wave?

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Eliminating lurkers early basically gives the mafia a pass. Because all they have to do then is post once or twice a day turn. Leave the lurkers alone until the WoG's happen. Then go after who has not been WoG'd.

As for Sasaki, I do not think he is mafia. In Taormina, where he was mafia, he was very active. In starwars, where he was power-town, he was active. My guess he is a townie who is busy in real life.

Of course, if I'm wrong I'll be kicking myself when the game is over but that is where I stand on him at the moment.

Unvote:FactionHeir Since I am not mafia and i accused him of jumping on a non-existant bandwagon, i have to retract my vote.

Now it seems that people want Tincow to die, and I cant see why? IS it because i have only read pages 20 onwards??

Sasaki should die tho...

Joe

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Originally Posted by Joe Monks

Now it seems that people want Tincow to die, and I cant see why? IS it because i have only read pages 20 onwards??

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From my perspective, it's my reputation combined with decreased input on my part. People are wary of me due to the last two games I was in, and as such they are looking a lot more carefully at what I'm saying. It seems to be the same exact reason people are going after Sasaki. Ironically, the only time I've been lynched in my three games was when I was a townie.

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Originally Posted by Andres

Interesting post :inquisitive:

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See? That's what I've been talking about.

I will Unvote: Kage as I am satisfied with his explainations...

I currently do not know who to vote for, so I will come back and vote a bit later, after a bit more discussion.

Can you tell us why you put 'I am not mafia' in every post, JM? As well as not contributing anything else?

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

See? That's what I've been talking about.

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Well, Tinc's posting activity level, as well as the last post preceding this one, seem smooth and in character. The one that Andres twigged on, and which you now use as evidence, does seem a bit "off."

Kukri's style is totally normal, but his activity level is hugely up.

FH is posting with a frequency that says "townie" for him, but with a flippancy that does not.

'Kev seems helpful and pointed, but is risking de-oxygenating the discussion. As you know, Sasaki, scads of posts can be used as an intimidation tool to minimized effective interaction just as readily as to promote it.