There are 16 people left alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
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There are 16 people left alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
Tally:
Ichigo: 8 (Askthepizzaguy, pevergreen, Chaotix, Beskar, Jolt, Tratorix, gibsonsg91921, White_Eyes:D)
Roadrunner: 1 (Wile E. Coyote)
I am going to stop posting for a few weeks and come back when the game is over:shame::hide::creep:
I can't believe, I missed that...:sweatdrop: I blame it on too many games at once...:juggle2:
Edit:If I am not SK/Mafia I tend to not pay attention, too much:shrug: I admit I am a crappy townie when it comes down to spotting details...
See, now ATPG isn't a problem because he's going to get Wrath of Khaan'd for messing with the tally. Bad Pizzaguy! :whip:Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Vote: Roadrunner
Terrible ISP, I don't get even half the internet I pay for.
if ATPG is lying it only helps to reenforce his "diamond junk" credit.
I never lie.
But I really think ATPG and Beskar can make it to the end...even if there were 50 people...there just that good at fooling people:juggle2:
"I am now beating a dead horse":clown: as Pizzaguy would say and well wait for the lynch and night kills(maybe?)..Reenk, I could really use your help right now...:wall:
I wouldn't worry so much, White Eyes. The "he might fool me, but I won't let him fool me that badly" factor means I am dead next round. End of story.
If I were Mafia I would keep you around:wink:....just WIFOM talking...:laugh4:
And if you were wrong I WOULD REALLY keep you around (Insane detectives are a Mafia's best buddy:laugh4:)
Quit it, you're totally ruining my excuse for still being alive next round.
Naughty Reenk Roink:
From the FAQ:Quote:
I kinda like to push Beskar's buttons
:smash:Quote:
Sportsmanship expresses an aspiration or ethos that the activity will be enjoyed for its own sake, with proper consideration for fairness, ethics, respect, and a sense of fellowship with one's competitors.
I like to push your buttons too, Beskar. :eyebrows:
I don't like rules. I'm killing Beskar tonight. I'm killing ALL of you! You never listen.
Harumph,
Nice to see some progress. Well done ATPG. :bow:
Vote:Ichigo
I suppose?
The line is drawn finely between WIFOM and common sense, and I think that its just too implausible for the argument against ATPG.Quote:
1. There's plenty of time left on the clock. Revealing this early just to lynch Ichigo of all people if I were a mafia makes no sense. The same strategy could be done next round. I wasn't really in danger of being lynched.
2. That being said, I do things that make no sense, out of sheer balls. That is why I am aware I have no credibility as a detective revealing, and am prepared to die next round. That should be good enough for you.
3. I am working with Beskar, but I've never made a secret about it. Given how much of a dead man walking I am, how long do you think he's going to live, if he were my mafia partner? Makes no sense.
I realize I do things which seem to make no sense, as a strategy, at times. But there's no way I'd abort our entire chance of winning the game by voluntarily revealing to the town we were both working together, as early as round 2, and then follow it up with a fake detective claim on round 5, with so many players left. It's a moron strategy. If I am as clever as you suggest, give me more credit.
He claimed that his ability was ambiguous though, but the results of the lynch should shed some light. :bow:
Edit:There has been quite a lot of "how everyone else feels" already, time to share your thoughts, no?Quote:
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Originally Posted by DJGingivtis
If ATPG is mafia, he will have to drop his kills to 1 until the end of the game to prevent from being instantly identified as a liar. Since there are still a lot of players left, that gives us a relatively long time to reach a verdict on ATPG. Don't judge him based on his survival or lack thereof next turn. Do so if he's still alive 3-4 turns from now. A mafioso can risk leaving a detective alive for a short period of time, but the longer the game goes on the greater the risk the detective will get a second positive result. In the current situation, the remaining mafioso will likely be IDed by ATPG before it becomes necessary for the town to start seriously considering him as a lynch contendor. So, leave ATPG alone and do what he says for the time being. We'll re-open the case on him if we ever see 2 kills after tonight or if he's still alive very, very late in the game.
I totally agree with TinCow....I was just kicking up a fuss now so this way....you all are not going to say "Why didn't he warn us about ATPG when he had the chance?" later, I gave you guys the warning and that's it...:bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
I can't agree or disagree with the Ichigo lynch....but if ATPG were Mafia he would have saw it too...:inquisitive:
Bah, killed? And I wanted to reveal eventually :laugh4:
At the risk of alienating my newfound friends in the townie world, are we certain that Shinseikhaan would drop the kills from 2 to 1? Hasn't there been games in the past, of Khaan's, where a sole mafia picked up the slack of his fallen partner and did 2 at once? Khaan is very careful not to leave obvious clues in his writeups, and I think he even goes as far as to not reveal the alignment of the fallen.
I appreciate the vote of confidence; I am just hoping it is still there tomorrow, that's all. :shame:
I just can't for the life of me understand why the Mafiosi have not off'ed ATPG and Beskar yet... Obviously they thought Reenk and YLC was the larger threat. :inquisitive:
They were interfering with my master plan.
Oh wait, this isn't private message. :wall:
I kinda was, but I'm not allowed to reveal :\Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd
Yeah, I played my own games, the PM I sent to White_eyes:D is 100% legit. I obviously can't do much anymore, so I'll leave you with these suggestions.
Kill Ichigo this round for obvious reasons.
Kill Atpg the next round. Sorry Atpg, I still believe you more than I don't, but the fact that I was killed this round (and YLC who always was nice enough to sell me my vote) puts a bit more suspicion on you.
Kill White_eyes:D the next round. There's the possibility that he offed me, knowing that he couldn't off Atpg without me squealing and now he's going to try to make Atpg look guilty.
Both Atpg and White_eyes:D should think this is reasonable if they are protown/town.
I won't argue about being lynched next round, though I will advise against it for the most obvious of reasons. As for White_Eyes, he's packing some big ones if he's mafia. It's almost like he's begging to be investigated or lynched.
The only qualm I would have with this is that ATPG is, most likely, our only investigator (especially if YLC was the other one, which he hinted at). I think we should give him at least a round or two to investigate for us, assuming the mafia doesn't off him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
As for white_eyes, his moves this round would completely make sense as a mafioso: he notices the detective reveal by ATPG; uses the wording in Reenk's pms to try and discredit him; this at the same time covers his back, by making him look like a trusted ally of Reenk, while pressing focus onto someone else. He needs to be lynched.
Fair enough. However, do not fall into the trap that TinCow suggests here:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaotix
...lest you forget the lessons of The Prometheus...Quote:
So, leave ATPG alone and do what he says for the time being. We'll re-open the case on him if we ever see 2 kills after tonight or if he's still alive very, very late in the game.
Atpg's detective reveal is even vaguer than mine, and he hasn't even posted a role PM. We know very little about his exact abilities, and that is suspicious in and of itself. You saw what I did, I said that the game mechanics themselves were changed to explain my situation ("Oh, I can't investigate anymore" :laugh4:). Atpg doesn't even have to contradict something about his role, as he has hidden it from us.
I agree. But consider this.Quote:
As for white_eyes, his moves this round would completely make sense as a mafioso: he notices the detective reveal by ATPG; uses the wording in Reenk's pms to try and discredit him; this at the same time covers his back, by making him look like a trusted ally of Reenk, while pressing focus onto someone else. He needs to be lynched.
If Atpg is telling the truth, than Ichigo is likely (not certainly, maybe he was a different role who visited YLC) a killer and hopefully Mafia. That means there is one less killer and hopefully one remaining Mafia. So if White eyes is Mafia, he very well potentially may be the last one.
On the other hand, if Atpg is lying and not only that, is Mafia, then there are most likely still two Mafia left.
I think for this pragmatic reason, Atpg should be lynched before White eyes. It should be done soon too, DO NOT leave this confusing-*** situation for the last rounds. :laugh4:
edit: Again, I believe Atpg, even cautiously. However, we have a chance to be pretty certain about this, let's take it. Sorry for going behind your back like that Atpg, but you have to admit, it was a good way of covering bases.
Queueing up lynchings is bad idea. Deal with this round now and leave the decisions on next round until then. Stacking them three deep not only limits discussion, it's pretty much guaranteed to never work out.
What is strange that White_Eyes:D is convinced there will be two kills again if Ichigo the Mafia is killed. Being bluntly honest, I think he knows far more about the Mafia than what it would be otherwise be known.
FOS: White_Eyes:D
What? :dizzy2:Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
I'm pretty sure the major thing that will be discussed in the next round is what happens to Atpg and maybe White_eyes:D.
And if drawing more immediacy on Atpg and White eyes and suggesting that they be the next lynches takes away from discussing someone much less suspicious like say Sigurd, than it's a darn good side effect.
Oh, please. Unless ATPG is killed or 2 kills show up you can't determine anything based on what happens. It's Mafia 101 to leave a detective alive for a short period of time to make the town lynch him. I would agree with lynching ATPG next if we were near the end-game, but we're not close to that if there's only 1 kill per night. Under the circumstances, I see no pressing need to lynch ATPG unless we get evidence to show he's a mafioso. If he is lying, he'll be lynched eventually. It's kind of hard to forget about someone who has publicly claimed to be a detective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
I see no possible benefit to killing ATPG next round. If he is mafioso, he'll have to limit his kills to pretend he's the detective. That alone works well for the town and gives us enough time to judge him. If he's the detective, lynching him is clearly a bad idea.
It's ATPG and Beskar.
Ah I see, you can stay in Mafia 101 if you wish. I hope the rest of the town is beyond that... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Gentlemen... you're both dead and innocent. Please be constructive.
Please explain how leaving ATPG alive for a round or two is bad. I explained why I think it cannot hurt us. Present an argument about why this is a bad strategy. For some reason, rolleyes isn't too convincing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
Ah, sorry... didn't realize that arguing against the town lynching you was not constructive. I shall therefore refrain from defending you further. Good luck with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I was referring to Reenk's comment (post 592) which I didn't feel was constructive.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
I phrased it incorrectly.
Atpg, please post your role PM and all your investigations. There really isn't a reason not too, especially the latter. I'm flabbergasted why a detective who honestly was one would not post everything when he revealed himself. Unless you know you aren't going to die, that is...
Changing your position?Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
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Originally Posted by TinCow
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Originally Posted by TinCow
Bringing that up, you are better off here though, leaving him alive for a round or two is a much more reasonable idea than leaving him alive till endgame or even 3-4 rounds. It might even be more reasonable than my suggestion of killing him the next round. :balloon2:Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
The longer we leave him alive, the more people he may kill that would vote against him. Also, if there are two Mafia remaining, then it is much easier for them to go on killing one a day and trying to win by attrition.
The rolleyes smiley is to show my reaction and your idea, it isn't meant to convince you, my previous posts on the matter were designed to be persuasive though they obviously failed to convince you.Quote:
For some reason, rolleyes isn't too convincing.
And I disagree, if TinCow is really adamant in expecting such a simplistic string of events to occur despite the fact that it has been clearly exploited by Mafia before, than I feel I should warn the town by showing my absolute disgust of the idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
In the rules, it states: NO QUOTING HOST PM's.
And, I do NOT feel it prudent to reveal all the other investigatees yet. You won't convince me of that.
Reenk was able to bull:daisy: town for over 5 rounds was it?? (The Prometheus was a townie disaster for that reason...:shame:) guess who his Mafia buddy's were?? (ATPG and Khaan)
I think what Reenk is saying is that he well keep his Info limited to keep town guessing and lynching themselves...:no:
No 100% guarantee? he was even PMing Reenk behind everyone's back...The only time he has ever done that....is when he has been Mafia...:juggle2:
Edit:Well, I have no problem being lynched to be honest:shrug: You disappoint me Reenk....but you were just covering all your bases:cry2:
For the first part, it's very easy, actually tell us your role name and your abilities without quoting?Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
For the second part very suspicious that a detective doesn't do that and makes a dogmatic statement that he won't be convinced otherwise.
Why not? After all, if you really are detective, than your life is very well in danger. You know you cant reveal once dead. You must treally be betting for the Mafia to leave you alone? Or maybe you are Mafia?
But maybe you're just being unhelpful and don't want to give the town of names that may be potentially cleared. Great play? :no: :rolleyes:
I picked you to spill the beans when I got a gut feeling of my demise for a third reason. You're a loose cannon. Loved the cultist bit. :laugh4: :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
If you're on my side (town) you won't be surprised or feel bad for being "thrown under the bus" :wink:
Reenk-
If you would refrain from crucifying me for one moment, consider this.
I reveal all the confirmed innocents. Guess who dies first? People I haven't investigated, or people I have? I would prefer to protect their identities. I have informed people who the innocents are, so in the event of my death, it is known. That would be better play in my opinion. I would prefer to keep known innocents alive as long as possible, something I stated to you explicitly in my reveal to you a few days ago. This is not news. It is my policy.
If you would like me to restate what my role is, instead of quoting, here it is: I am a watcher, as I told you in my reveal. I can't detect guilt, only activity and what that activity is. An inactive mafia would therefore not be revealed. That's all I have to say without quoting the PM. What more were you expecting?
As a confirmed innocent, I value your opinion, but I won't follow advice which I consider to be in bad judgment. I did everything I am allowed and required to do in this situation and thensome, there's nothing more I can do. If the town decides it wants all my information regarding the innocents now, then I'd need more support for that idea, and I strongly advise against it.
It's called compromising. I said 3-4 turns, you said immediately. So, I modified my position to be between the two to try and find a middle ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
I'm not crucifying you, I'm being cautious, more so given the kill choices and your behavior. Imagine had I not told White eyes about you, you would have somewhat of a free ride as Mafia (thank God for the gut). :wall:
This has already been considered by me and yet the benefit of this does not come close to outweighing the harms of not telling us imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
By revealing, sure the people are almost cleared and good targets for kills, but on the other hand, the focus on the Mafia drops nearly a third (including yourself and White eyes). There is then ample time to analyze these people and be able to ignore other potential misleads that may occur should you not reveal.
As the population gets less and less, the probable innocents become less important to hide anyway, and focusing on a subset of people gets more important.
To be quite honest the name watcher just sounds off given the theme of this game. Thanks for the other info though. :bow:Quote:
If you would like me to restate what my role is, instead of quoting, here it is: I am a watcher, as I told you in my reveal. I can't detect guilt, only activity and what that activity is. An inactive mafia would therefore not be revealed. That's all I have to say without quoting the PM. What more were you expecting?
I admit you made me laugh....:laugh4: Fine, I am tired of this anyway...I just wish you would be able to tell when I am not Mafia for once:clown:Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
Next round, if we are on the way to lynching an innocent, I will speak up and say nay nay. Then we will avoid lynching a townie, and unless that situation happens, I don't feel the need to divulge it. Keeps the mafia guessing. The info will be known by any critical round. It certainly wouldn't be prudent to reveal it this round, out of all the options I feel that is the weakest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
That's my call.
I disagree. The fewer people there are, the more valuable known/probably innocent players are, as they form a greater and greater percentage of the vote.Quote:
As the population gets less and less, the probable innocents become less important to hide anyway, and focusing on a subset of people gets more important.
You're welcome, though I revealed all of that in my original messages to you; I did speak of the limitation of the ability. White_Eyes posted it, so it is there for all to see.Quote:
To be quite honest the name watcher just sounds off given the theme of this game. Thanks for the other info though. :bow:
This isn't an either/or case. We can still get ATPG's information after he's dead without breaking the rules. If ATPG is murdered, he can still easily prevent us from lynching someone he cleared before he died. He can just say "Lynching XXX would be a very bad idea" or something similar. If he's murdered, he will have been cleared from suspicion as a mafioso and we will thus believe what he says. You saw how effective this type of play was by GH in your own Settlement game. If it worked there, there's no reason it can't work here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
Personally, I think that if ATPG were lying, he would have worked harder to appear genuine. Overloaded us with information and dared us to call him out on it. The amount he's given us speaks of someone who is truthful but doesn't want to play his entire hand for us.
Also, um, Lynch: Beskar
I'd actually like to know how ATPG knows Beskar is innocent. From what I've gathered, he doesn't have complete investigative abilities, and Beskar doesn't have an ability at all. So why is Beskar still hanging around?Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Lynching Beskar may be a good idea in the future. Particularly, if ATPG continues to protest, we'll know we've hit something- because now that it's been revealed Beskar was a cover-up, he's more or less useless and suspicious anyway.
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Particularly, if ATPG continues to protest, we'll know we've hit something
Your intentions may be good, but if you're attempting to test me, it may be wise not to telegraph your strategy to me, because that renders the results invalid. Reenk Roink didn't tell me he was going to test me.
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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Who said it was a test? Maybe we're just going to lynch Beskar because we feel he's suspicious anyway. After all, you've still deigned not to tell us why you trust him so much.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
I trust Beskar as much as I trust you. The difference is, he hasn't been voting for me.
This presupposes you live...Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Good enough point if this is allowed under khaan, but if I was a host who didn't allow reveals after death I would not allow Atpg to do this. (in the Settlement I couldn't find a great compromise between what I should allow the dead to do so I gave them basically unrestricted privileges).Quote:
This isn't an either/or case. We can still get ATPG's information after he's dead without breaking the rules. If ATPG is murdered, he can still easily prevent us from lynching someone he cleared before he died. He can just say "Lynching XXX would be a very bad idea" or something similar. If he's murdered, he will have been cleared from suspicion as a mafioso and we will thus believe what he says. You saw how effective this type of play was by GH in your own Settlement game. If it worked there, there's no reason it can't work here.
Khaan, can you please clarify what and what is not allowed in terms of dead reveals in this game. Is the above type of thing allowed?
I think from what I gathered from my correspondence with Atpg, Beskar has already been investigated. It leaves a round of investigation uncounted for (Reenk at least once, Beskar at least once, Ichigo twice).Quote:
Lynching Beskar may be a good idea in the future. Particularly, if ATPG continues to protest, we'll know we've hit something- because now that it's been revealed Beskar was a cover-up, he's more or less useless and suspicious anyway.
Yes, but that was to me privately, and though White eyes revealed my PM's all the information was hidden in the mass of text when it could be easily given out in the open. Your reveal seemed piecemeal and selective.Quote:
You're welcome, though I revealed all of that in my original messages to you; I did speak of the limitation of the ability. White_Eyes posted it, so it is there for all to see.
I've already revealed all my information to other townies. If I die, the information stays with a living player. I won't have to postmortem reveal.
You said to me you revealed to one other townie (everything too). Now then, I'm really strongly guessing given all the hints and context you've given us, that Beskar was one of your investigations. We have 3 and probably 4 of your investigations counted for. I'm dead, Ichigo you say is Mafia. That leaves at most two townies to give your information to, and you've said you've given full information to one. I already believe it's Beskar too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Given that the Mafia can kill twice in a round as we've seen, if you are wrong about Ichigo, or his death is meaningless to the amount of kills, than the Mafia can very possibly kill you AND your townie contact on the same night (and if it's Beskar, than it's 2ez).
This system really won't work for long unless khaan allows you to drop obvious hints from the dead as TinCow suggested.
If it were that easy, it should remove a lot of questions as to my guilt or innocence next round. That spares you a lot of contentious debate which will likely lead to a bad lynch. That's less bad news, which is always a good thing.
Something that is worth noting is that Ichigo has made pretty much no effort to defend himself. Despite his uber-lurker status, he was sufficiently aware of the situation to post this:
That doesn't much strike me as the response of a townie who was being framed by a fake detective reveal. Those tend to incite :furious3: that are longer than four words. Under the circumstances, Ichigo's behavior is even stronger evidence against him (and for ATPG) than ATPG's own accusations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
No doubt. I am hoping you're offed next round. White eyes would be cherry on the top. With your distractions gone, and Ichigo nailed as at least a killer if not Mafia, I think the town sails to an easy win from now on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
However, I get the feeling that's not going to happen. Either you are Mafia or the Mafia wants us to think so, and I can't decide on which is the better option.
Ergo the lynching you (and White eyes) soon. Getting rid of the distraction ourselves.
TC: Ichigo has generally done the "It's ___________" before for what it's worth.
No circumventing the rules, please.
After checking with the host I confirmed that I cannot suggest any particular player is innocent post-mortem. However, I will still be allowed to participate and offer my opinions on who is scummy.
I'm weighing my options regarding the other investigatee. I'll have to reveal, probably.
Today is the first time I've been online since the 24th. ATPG is saying I killed YLC last night which is impossible considering I haven't logged on until today. Have a nice day!:grin:Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Then again, knowing the way Ichigo plays lately, that's probably all he would do even if he were innocent, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
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Lets look at this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
Since the Night Phase ended, just today (well, very early today) and you are here. You could have still submitted your order, hence how you are here now to say you didn't do it. Right? So you are here to comment about the night phase, etc.
Also, you say you haven't been on. The phase before, the Mafia for whatever reason, mysteriously did not kill. You weren't around here then, also, didn't vote or anything like that.
Coincidence?
There's nothing saying khaan wouldn't accept orders from slightly more active teammates, either. It's certainly not uncommon for a scum-partner to submit orders for his ally if he cannot do it himself.
Let's look at this:
Ichigo is either guilty of being mafia or I am guilty of lying. Either way, dead scum.
Yes, I did notice that your post count across the forums dropped suddenly right at the exact same time that this game began. Interesting coincidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
I pondered this on the way to work this morning. Despite my previous statements, there's something about this that isn't sitting right with me. Simply put, Ichigo seems like an odd choice for an investigation last night. Of all the people to investigate, he just seems... unlikely. Given the last few days events, would anyone else have picked him? It also conveniently coincides with the first double kill last night, which, combined with ATPG's claim of an 'uncertain' detective ability is almost too good to be true.
I still support Ichigo's lynch here, but I'm beginning to come around to Reenk's thought process on this. Perhaps it would be best to remove ATPG next round just to make sure.
for what its worth I would have investigated Ichigo... I remember Swords in the moon and how Ichigo completely slipped under the radar... :shrug:
I won't protest about the lynch, because I know many will support it in a "covering our butt" move even though I am innocent. However,Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Ichigo? Yeah, he is a great investigation. Here is why: I had been telling you guys in-thread that Ichigo was lurking, and gave an excuse for not showing up. This, as you yourself noted, Tincow, was conveniently synchronous with the start of this game. After my protestations, he failed to get a single vote on him besides myself. That means Ichigo has "staying power". He's not voting enough to tick off the mafia, and he's gaining absolutely no suspicion. I investigate him, and he turns out to be innocent, he just became my best bleeping friend. Because I know he's going to live until the end of the game at this rate. Someone else was aware that Ichigo was going to be investigated that night due to a leak in the TIN. That night, there were zero kills. The next night, seeing as how I can't detect a mafia who didn't do anything, I re-investigated him. Guilty this time.
The motives for picking certain people are obvious. Why choose someone who nearly got lynched or is gathering suspicion? They are likely lynched soon. Investigating dead people does us no good, and I wouldn't reveal just to confirm someone's innocence.
Make sure if you must. But it is a wasted lynch, that is all I can say.
Round is over. Seems most likely Ichigo was lynched. Writeup won't be posted for a few hours. I'll take any night orders starting now.
Note how despite arguing (quite spuriously imo) against revealing the rest of the investigations, Atpg has verbally said in the thread "I'll have to reveal, probably" and yet we still have nothing a long time after that statement.
Now that TinCow's suggestion of post mortem hints has been explicitly forbidden by khaan, I don't really see the need to keep us in the dark or keep us waiting... :inquisitive:
Also, note from Atpg's PM to me after I tested him, that he seemed then willing to give me the investigation results.
So what happened now? Why the change in opinion? It can't seriously be to hide yourself anymore, as you have claimed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Well, given what I would do with the power, Ichigo seems a reasonable enough choice in that I think it's best especially early on to investigate those players who haven't had much exposed about them in the main thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
With that being said, if the speculation that Beskar is one of the investigations, than Atpg had investigated two really active in thread players. Given that he has failed to give us the third, it's still hard to see if we can draw a disconnect between Ichigo and other investigations though, so take that with a grain of salt.
What I think is more odd is the fact that he investigated Ichigo twice. Yes, he can use the reason that given that there wasn't a kill, maybe Ichigo was active, but the same exact reasoning could be used on me (given that there was 1 kill, maybe I was inactive). He didn't bother to check me twice before contacting me with his role.
On the contrary. Your lynch would be beneficial to the town even if you are proven later to be who you say you are. This is because as of now, the context of the game and yourself is one of high confusion and doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Your behavior as detective and watcher is very questionable in several areas thoroughly exposed since your reveal and outside factors such as the kill choices also contribute to the suspicion against you.
Frankly, I believe the two strongest options for who you are are:
1) Mafia
2) Investigatory role who is trying to look suspicious enough to stay alive but is failing by going to the other extreme
Both of these lynches would do good. The first for obvious reasons, the second because at this point, you are causing more detriment to the town with the uncertain nature of yourself. You are a source of confusion at this point, and that outweighs the potential benefit you might have of investigating. The longer you live, the more doubt and uncertainty you cause, and also the more dangerous you become if you really are Mafia (as your partner is probably alive at this point).
Lastly, does it not seem really odd to anyone else that in many of Atpg's posts he implies he will live this coming night... :inquisitive:
We have some time left. Why not take the safe play now and lynch Atpg next round or the one after that if he lives, and then go back to finding the other bad guy(s)?
Can you think of anyone who has a better reason for voting against? The only one on that level is White eyes.
Oh boy, some people are so impatient. :laugh4:
I'm on top of things, Reenk. Just cool your heels. :2thumbsup:
Today was rather different day at the council. Immediately upon its pronouncement by Shinzei, a man immediately stood up and declared to all that he had seen Ichigo kill one of the last night's dead, or at least was leaving the tent. Ichigo at first made no response to such an accusation, and immediately, many else in the camp jumped on the accusation, chanting for his merciless execution as a spy. Shinzei, however, demanded that the council follow the letter of its rule, and last until the sun began to set. With not much else to discuss, several tribesmen decided to go for a ride and took off for a while, figuring the decision was inevitable. As the day dragged on, Ichigo remained silent, until very late, when he finally opened his eyes and smiled a bit. He stated he'd not even been in the camp last night, and as such, couldn't have killed anyone. However, the other tribesmen were unimpressed, and the general anxiety for his lynch would remain until sunset. Of course, this all made my job of keeping track of the most accused most easy for the council's purpose. When the day was finished, Shinzei asked for a recitation of both those who wished for Ichigo's death, as well as those who did not establish a position. When he noted that a man named Lord Winter had failed to speak up once again, he demanded of the others where he was. Incidentally, Lord Winter was riding past the camp on his pony as Shinzei made his query, and was quickly pointed out. Shinzei grabbed his bow, nocked an arrow, and let it fly at Lord Winter, who was riding very far away. Amazingly, the arrow struck true, directly through the back of the man's head, and the camp could see his body slowly slump off the horse in the distance. Shinzei muttered something about useless pieces of flesh... With that out of the way, Ichigo was presented to his executor. Ichigo stood in front of Shinzei, a scowl beginning to grow across his face. However, when Shinzei pulled his sword from its sheath, the doomed man did not twitch. Shinzei took hold of the sword in two hands, and made an upwards plunge into Ichigo's chest. With the sword embedded, Shinzei then made a vicious ripping motion to the right, causing the rib cage to explode in a repugnant display of blood, bone, and organs. Shinzei motioned to a few tribesmen to carry the carcass outside the camp, then dismissed us for the night.
-- The Record of Zhang Qian
Ichigo: 9 (Askthepizzaguy, pevergreen, Chaotix, Beskar, Jolt, Tratorix, gibsonsg91921, White_Eyes:D, Death is Yonder)
Roadrunner: 1(splitpersonality)
Not Voting: WAY TOO MANY :stare:(Ichigo, A Very Super Market, Caius, DJgingivitis, Khazaar, Lord Winter, Sigurd, Tratorix)
Alive: 15
Askthepizzaguy
A Very Super Market
Beskar
Caius
Chaotix
Death is Yonder
DJGingivtis
Gibsonsg91921
Jolt
Khazaar
Lord Winter
pevergreen
Sigurd
Tratorix
White_eyes:D
Dead: 5
Yaropolk (N1)
Atheotes (N2)
GeneralHankerchief (N3)
Reenk Roink (N5)
YLC (N5)
Lynched: 4
FactionHeir (D1)
Beefy (D2)
Splitpersonality (D3)
TinCow (D4)
Ichigo (D5)
WoK'd: 1
Lord Winter (D5)
WOK BAIT: Caius
TAKING ORDERS NOW.
Reenk Roink be dead, sire!
He's not dead, he's just resting. He's got wonderful plumage.
I :laugh4:'d.
Kill him again! I didn't kill him enough last time!
Me too!Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
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If you're going to kill someone other than Atpg or White eyes this coming day, just go ahead and give AVSM what he wants... :shrug:
Sorry for my inactivity khaan, I'll try to participate more in the voting next round. :clown:
Personally, Reenk, I'd very much like it if the mafia targeted you tonight. No hard feelings, right? :laugh4:
I made appropriate changes to my post. :wink:
...Six?
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