[SS 6.4] Clash of Gods! OOC - winners Silver Shield, LooseCannon1 and Mithridate

Let them keep what they had but from now on both teams play by the rules.

seljuks up! @Mithridate
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local...d=279&id=10150

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Originally Posted by Nightbringer

Is mithri allowed to continue taking HRE territory?

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To be clear, i have not with jihads. hamburg will be the one exception.

Jihad armies have only taken a cuman castle, a very minor force/jihad and a very unimprtant target.
Other regions along my marching path have been taken by Non Jihads. One Venetian region, One HRE ( Vienna i think ), arguable one hungarian two turns off the path.

Now, i still want/need to know... Can i use siege engines constructed by Jihad armies to capture non targets with non-jihad forces?
Jihad sieged on its path that is not direct, but the one ive used with all my forces. @Myth

Will play just before i go off to get my Diablo 3 Copy :D

No to the siege engines - you cannot attack, lay siege, assault or anything else with Jihad/Crusade forces if the city isn't on your list or your actual target, or the armies are not in the way.

I forgot to upload the save -.-' @slysnake

England! @Myth

http://www.sendspace.com/file/gx0c9i

Leon up. @Thanatos Eclipse

Turn 9 for the Catholics who are holding Cordoba + 5 points
Total Catholic points - 55/100

A reminder to the Muslim team - let me know when you capture a target city, otherwise I cannot keep track of your points unless I remove the fog of war as an Admin and check on your positions. Right now, If you've taken a target city you need to tell me so I can start a count for your team.

Sorry that I'm a little late, wasn't feeling well the last couple of days :/

Crusaders up!
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Oops, just remembered to send Silver a pm.

im off town guys i got this up tomorrow

guys i got this up tomorrow already did a turn in another game and a major battle in this one with probably more ahead and i still got some holiday family stuff going on

the situation right now is almost as in glorious achievements. spanish Eclipse over the med sea and Myth and NB kicking it in italy

venice
http://depositfiles.com/files/219pdn8ly

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the situation right now is almost as in glorious achievements. spanish Eclipse over the med sea and Myth and NB kicking it in italy

venice
http://depositfiles.com/files/219pdn8ly

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-with slysnake just standing at the side-lines hoping his stacks are not picked off like sitting ducks lol.. :2thumbsup:

seljuks up!
http://depositfiles.com/files/r4i1cxk3q
@Mithridate

btw, @Zim @phonicsmonkey
the .org file uploader doesn't seem to be working, it just says that no file was specified when I try to use it.

This looks like a job for @TinCow ft. @Andres Why Andres you ask? Because.

In all seriousness though, I tested it and confirm the .org uploader doesn't work.

Why me?

:bigcry:

Ugh, bad timing. I am leaving town for several days very shortly and won't be able to do any work on the Org while I am gone. I also have way too much work-work to clear before I leave to be able to spend time on this now.

Seems like a job for @Husar and @therother

There's a problem with our server. Hopefully we'll get it fixed asap.

Problem should be fixed now, apologies for the inconvenience.

Wow, all these powerful people commenting, none of whome I'v never seen around this part of the .org before! XD :surprised:

France @slysnake

I hate advancing relying on sheer numbers, so full of fail.
Bunkering down around Hamburg, the race is on!

England, @Myth! http://www.sendspace.com/file/x42hjt

@Thanatos Eclipse Leon up.

@Mithridate I said several times I want your team to tell me when you capture a target city. Hamburg is a target city, why didn't you tell me? How am I supposed to keep track of the score? How many turns have you had it?

Catholics holding Cordoba: + 5 points.

@Myth

Sorry about that, had some issue posting my save the turn before last and im sure i typed in that post...
But something clearly went wrong^^ Post did not get posted ot smth, if it helps i told both of my allies ^^

When im up again, we will have held it two turns. London is still under siege i hope?

Its okay, but that is a bit of a problem to us, as that is two turns of action we should have been able to be taking in relation to that capture.

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Its okay, but that is a bit of a problem to us, as that is two turns of action we should have been able to be taking in relation to that capture.

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I thought people knew Hamburg had been taken? I thought I had sent out recent map information to my team members since Hamburg is a neighbouring region for me? :P

To be honest, I personally could not take any action - neither me nor @Mithridate (as far as I am aware of) have any from of suitable siege equipment in the area to capture eachother's settlements so I myself feel as if I am in a stalemate in the region.. >.<

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Originally Posted by Nightbringer

Its okay, but that is a bit of a problem to us, as that is two turns of action we should have been able to be taking in relation to that capture.

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War is deception, intended or not ;)

You lost one turn preparation, again sorry for that^^ Did raise an eyebrow that no update was made but, but thats normal with admins being busy?
I am however, suprised to see the lack of preparation, i hope we convinced you we where actially going for Iberia/venice

Then again, i may find my stuff completely wiped out next turn... Ignorance is blizz thus far

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To be clear, i have not with jihads. hamburg will be the one exception.

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Posted May 9th

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Originally Posted by Mithridate

ive been away from this forum a lot, reading up on stuff now

I have captured regions on the path indeed. Ive marched in an arch, intent on hamburg mostly.

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Posted May 14th. I don't get to see the map But I know Hamburg (and whoever controlled it) should have been prepared for an onslaught. There's only one thing left for the Catholic Coalition to do


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY

I took that post to mean he was going towards Hamburg, but, as I said, no biggie. I have just been very confused in general with how this jihad is working. I respect trying to include the mechanic myth, but so far it has been more of a headache than seems worth it, both when my team and the other have used it.

It makes the game more unpredictable and enjoyable for me as a player, though the rules do need some refining. I want to congratulate Mithridate on being a top-notch general thus far in this game, truly a great addition to the Throne Room. Overall the Muslim team has been disadvantaged If I do say so myself, but this recent turn of events makes the game more close which is IMO better fun for all of us.

London is still under siege and I cannot reach the besieging forces in time to slaughter them.

@SilverShield
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i love fighting in italy somehow have a deep rooted love for that area. and honestly despite the onslaught of the entire west the situation there is really good. tho ancona is pretty much gone was just too much of a liability but other than that the situation still is pretty good right now

venice
http://depositfiles.com/files/l6qm4fo3w

seljuks up! @Mithridate
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local...d=279&id=10197

London ours, all English siege engins are hereby struck by the plague and cannot be used... ever

France up @slysnake i defeated ur blockading ship, little more than that

England, @Myth! http://www.sendspace.com/file/vv2w1m

Leon up. @Thanatos Eclipse

Turn 11 for the Catholics who are holding Cordoba + 5 points
Total Catholic points - 60/100

Muslims capture London: +10 points
Muslims capture Hamburg: +10 points
Muslims hold Hamburg 1 turn: +5 points
Total Muslim points: 25

Please let me know when you get a target city to 50% Muslim religion.

Interesting, if things remain as they are both teams will reach 100 points no the same turn/

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Interesting, if things remain as they are both teams will reach 100 points no the same turn/

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We will get Cordoba to 100% sooner, which will boost our points further. And I do hope we can capture more than one target city! :laugh4:

im just too damn busy i got this up early tomorrow

alright venice up
http://depositfiles.com/files/t4kr4nn25

More than one?

My jihad better suceed then, love how ships move so far with troops xD
Will reach the target in no time!

also myth, will inform you when 50% is reached or further target cities are taken

i sent a pm was read 06-22-12 09:13 PM. and honestly some of u guys are online way more regular than me is to check whats up

ah, could have sworn I did this. On it now!

seljuks up!
@Mithridate
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local...d=279&id=10210

@slysnake

An english army sieging the danish capitol was ahnialated by two members of our great ruling family and their most devout warriors. Despite being few, the slav mercenaries and three units of horse archers won a great victory in the name of allah! Still the land mourns, one of the great men was impaled on stakes and died the martyr death as he bravely charged the vile english longbowmen...

Further west the strange plague that affects all english siege engines spread to the french, whom somehow find themselves deep in brittain!?

No matter, for truly god is great!

England is up, @Myth! http://www.sendspace.com/file/divj3x

Bump

@Myth/anyone on Myth's team.

I can play it, but I don't know his password. I'll see if anyone else on the team knows it.

I got a password now, so I'll get this done later today

England and Spain's turn played, Crusaders up!
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alright im on this just one more big thing n im threw. too busy for that now tho so later today or early tomorrow

alright venice up
http://depositfiles.com/files/91tp2da6l

Well...

All I can say is thank goodness for night fighter! Course, pulling out all the stops on battle ai cheese helps too. XD

The siege of Venice was broken, and two Kwarezmian armies were wiped out. A small force was able to sneak past the Crusader fort wall to assist in the final battle, and for strange ai fighting city reasons Ibn Tegin Mohammed retreated with his large cavalry force, and is unable to move next turn.
Still, hardly any Venetian troops survived, and with Ibn still retaining his full stack, and Seljuk and Crusader troops swarming in, Venice is unlikely to last much longer unless it is reinforced!

hint hint, allies, I need help!!!!

seljuks up! @Mithridate
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local...d=279&id=10224

i somewhat was curious about the upshot n how that went down although it was pretty obvious anyway already with the general s night ability still had some faith left tho but yea faith lost. was just another suicide mission with the general s nighty ability. but anyways had the 3 kwarz armies in the region for 3 seasons now so anything was less worse than the troops simply defecting. the only thing im curious about now is how any troops got through that crusader fort wall there coz that really is just another flaw then of the entire game. this wall was tight nothing but dead zones there no holes whatsoever i double checked this so if any troops got through there it really is another flaw of the game. im somewhat curious about that so. but weird enough thats actually the only really bizarre thing here. coz 3 major armies lead by multiple heavy kwarz general cav plus some cav support and psyched morality jihadi infantry and one army basically totally cav with tons of horse archers down gainst an overall inferior garrison with the 2 balista victim to the horse archers already if anything went down regular and with 1 general n 2 cav militia in cav total is just natural here with that game. thats how it is weird n strange but natural. but whatever was on the other side myself before already espc back in glorious achievments where i still remember some heavy stuff there where the germans were victim to the same situations more than once so yea it is what it is. natural. but still weird. back in the days those of the Brits that were with us that were heavily into soccer just stood up when their teams lost gainst one that was way worse on paper n said -funny old game funny old game- that probably sums it up


i took rome btw if thats a special city

There is a weird thing, maybe a glitch but maybe not, where you can slip a unit through forts to reinforce an army on the other side. That was just one unit though, the rest I picked up with my fleet since you guys were kind enough to leave it alone.

I wouldn't worry too much though silver, I'm pretty much going bankrupt and there are maybe a couple hundred men left in venice now. Meanwhile, there are a lot of armies coming in to help, but no siege equipment anywhere for us.

naw aint no worried was more curious n somewhat startled by the slickness of the whole battle thing but yea as i said was on the other side myself before already so this okay. tho if u went through although the forts that is another weird thing then for sure




just remembering some days back. my brain is prolly just too low on high glyc carbs but anyways so just out of curiosity is there anything deeper to that -funny old game- thing coz we never really got it when the Brits came up with that. i aint into soccer just curious about what this actually meant coz they also came up with that when things got hot n heavy up front and so far the web just gave me soccer nonsense. Myth n Slysnake u guys are Brits right

playing after sleep @Nightbringer @SilverShield

id like to know how u can slip one unit throught tho :D Also the forces used for the battle, want to be impressed!

There is one way to bypass forts with armies that i know... heck anything but mountains and the very square taken by forts/armies/hubs.
Load ur army on a ship, then order march FROM THE SHIP. Will ignore all zones of control (red zones/locked down zones)

Its ofc a bug, obviously!

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playing after sleep @Nightbringer @SilverShield

id like to know how u can slip one unit throught tho :D Also the forces used for the battle, want to be impressed!

There is one way to bypass forts with armies that i know... heck anything but mountains and the very square taken by forts/armies/hubs.
Load ur army on a ship, then order march FROM THE SHIP. Will ignore all zones of control (red zones/locked down zones)

Its ofc a bug, obviously!

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Units walk strait through to reinforce an army right on the other side. Or at least it did when I clicked it. Never seen it before actually, but I was hunting for anything I could throw in, and had 1 army of spear militia on the other side of the fort wall. I selected it, it showed a green path to my arm,y I clicked, and it went. I then had ~5 units arrive by ship, plus the near full stack in venice.

The army in venice wasn't top notch, but those kwaz mercs were pretty weak, and my spearmen were taking them out pretty well, especially when cav charges in the rear started routing everything. As for the kwaz cav, they ran up in front of my spear wall and died to xbows.

Basically wash and repeat for battle 2, then battle three I sallied and the enemy army retreated strait off, in that strange way it does sometimes when it has a high cav content against a siege.

Bypassing forts to reinforce a siege is a legitimate thing. Monkey lost a fullstack in the last Teutonics game to that versus me.

Muslims: Need to hold Rome, Venice, Leon, Paris, Hamburg, London.

So yes, it's a target city. I thought the Catholics had this game in the bag but you guys really started to turn things around!

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naw aint no worried was more curious n somewhat startled by the slickness of the whole battle thing but yea as i said was on the other side myself before already so this okay. tho if u went through although the forts that is another weird thing then for sure




just remembering some days back. my brain is prolly just too low on high glyc carbs but anyways so just out of curiosity is there anything deeper to that -funny old game- thing coz we never really got it when the Brits came up with that. i aint into soccer just curious about what this actually meant coz they also came up with that when things got hot n heavy up front and so far the web just gave me soccer nonsense. Myth n Slysnake u guys are Brits right

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I'm a Brit (or UK-ish or Englishman or whatever you call us :P) but I think Myth is not British but Hungarian! Am I right, @Myth? :)

I'm Bulgarian :laugh4:

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I'm Bulgarian :laugh4:

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I don't know where I got Hungarian from! :laugh4:

Ahhhrrr forgot, but im here now! xD

Tried to duplicate what you spoke about but did not understand, i could manage to create it but only if the force could reach as reinforcements or merge legally anyway...
This one is confused and would apreciate a demonstration, i view any crossing by armies on controled zones without first beating the offending thing to be a bug and therefore to be illegal

For future reference of course @Myth please explain to me :(

Also, Hamburg 38% Islam
London 24%
Venice under siege again, i took the fort as well with a cata to allow allied reinforcement and secure my back... i hope this is allowed (its 2 squares from my sieging army)

@slysnake france!

Defeated a few venetians with a non jihad force, tried to get to London with more men :(

Well, I went back and got a screenshot that is the equivalent of what I did, although the situation was a bit different directly around venice when the move actually took place.

If it is deemed illegal, I could replay my turn, although that might create significantly different results as to the battle for venice, one way or potentially even the other.

All I did is right click from what is currently shown in the shot, and the unit went right over there and merged with the unit on the bridge.

image removed for security reasons.

i call unfair, clearly Venice employ ninjas in their militias! :devilish:

On a serious not though, i view that to be a bug that should not be used. but replaying?
Nah, lets keep it going, one unit is not the world (not in this case anyway)

It's not illlegal nor is it a bug. It's a feature of the M2TW engine. I'll provide my save from the Teutonics game for all to see and try out if you want, but that has to happen after I get back on Sunday.

@Nightbringer dude you just gave the enemy team our full map information with that screenshot :stare:

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It's not illlegal nor is it a bug. It's a feature of the M2TW engine. I'll provide my save from the Teutonics game for all to see and try out if you want, but that has to happen after I get back on Sunday.

@Nightbringer dude you just gave the enemy team our full map information with that screenshot :stare:

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:shame:

was thinking about what was on the screen, forgot minimap...

OOO shiny france! xD U can take it down, but ull never get my wannabee photographic memory!

No need to show me, what i need is an explanation to why its niot viewed as a bug as you cross zones of control.
Or is what i mentioned, disembarking from a navy and thereby bypassing anything you want not a bug?

Very little difference between them imho

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It's not illlegal nor is it a bug. It's a feature of the M2TW engine. I'll provide my save from the Teutonics game for all to see and try out if you want, but that has to happen after I get back on Sunday.

@Nightbringer dude you just gave the enemy team our full map information with that screenshot :stare:

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As I don't have (or feel like adding) Teutonic campaign on my computer (the first disk is in storage) can you just posts screen shots and explain what is happening in them? Trying to guess how you've played something is too time consuming. And just because you can do something in a game does not make it a feature instead of a bug. Resource forts is the most obvious bug.

never heard that units dont respect fort dead zones when reinforcing. never had this before. anyway i think that this is wrong. its just another glitch of the game. its okay that Nightbringer did all good with that but from now on we rather respect the dead zones of a fort. its obvious what the dead zones are so we can just respect those even if we theoretically had not to. whats a fort good for otherwise


same is true for situations with ships. i had this before and that for sure is wrong

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never heard that units dont respect fort dead zones when reinforcing. never had this before. anyway i think that this is wrong. its just another glitch of the game. its okay that Nightbringer did all good with that but from now on we rather respect the dead zones of a fort. its obvious what the dead zones are so we can just respect those even if we theoretically had not to. whats a fort good for otherwise


same is true for situations with ships. i had this before and that for sure is wrong

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Sounds good to me.

Sorry for the delay guys, I had a horrible deadline for an article last night and feel asleep at my keyboard for the second time this month.. :laugh4: Should have the next save up by this evening..

I had to reinstall windows the other night, and, along with it, M2TW, Kingdoms and SS 6.3 and 6.4. For some reason, when I try to load my turn, the loading bar moves along, but then I am taken straight back to the main menu screen. Is this because I am missing an additional patch or file? :inquisitive:

did you patch kingdoms to 1.5?

If not, it would do exactly that.

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Bypassing forts to reinforce a siege is a legitimate thing. Monkey lost a fullstack in the last Teutonics game to that versus me.

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Sorry Myth, but I think it's a bug. I thought so at the time and wasn't happy about it at all, don't you remember?

I think Silver's suggestion should be in place for all games - no crossing fort-controlled zones without taking the fort, even if the game will let you.

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- no crossing fort-controlled zones without taking the fort, even if the game will let you.

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No crossing ANY zones of control without dealing with what causes it to make it clear imho :)

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No crossing ANY zones of control without dealing with what causes it to make it clear imho :)

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yeah, what you said

Right, this makes sense.

Well, that was another uneventful turn for me, having big armies but not being able to do much with them... :wall:

England, @Myth! http://www.sendspace.com/file/r7wn3s

Remember, the absolutely horrendous plague renders all catholic siege engines USELESS :P