Casual december game

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

I said it earlier and even asked you directly, but I feel like your wolfreads of me/Pizza/Logic are incongruent with each other. Mind explaining them a bit?

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I have explained Pizza sus at length. You and Logic just have weird reads that make no sense to me and feel like reachy wolves trying to scumread NAI stuff instead of read things with any kind of discretion.

Idk how to make reads lol.

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

Idk how to make reads lol.

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You are a good town player who is obvious to me when you are town because your reads are coherent, and you read things that are alignment indicative in a similar way to me. In this game your reads are not that.

Where is everyone I am here to fux.

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Originally Posted by luvs2spooge

You are a good town player who is obvious to me when you are town because your reads are coherent, and you read things that are alignment indicative in a similar way to me. In this game your reads are not that.

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Wait, do I know you?

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Originally Posted by luvs2spooge

I have explained Pizza sus at length. You and Logic just have weird reads that make no sense to me and feel like reachy wolves trying to scumread NAI stuff instead of read things with any kind of discretion.

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If you think my reads are generally good and my process is similar to yours, I would like you to tell me which reads of mine don't seem like they make sense.

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Originally Posted by luvs2spooge

If I am so clever at wolfing and carefully plucking out perfect groups of susses to cover bases then you're basically fucked cuz I'm too good for you to get over anyway so sucks to be you.

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Should probably note that I found this part towny.

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

Wait, do I know you?

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Obviously. That comment would make not much sense if you didn't.

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Originally Posted by Ampharos

yeah ok fine

i don't like how logic went straight to "visor is a wolf" without even trying to engage with the read on him

if someone i thought had a really good read on me (e.g. dya) was incorrectly wolfreading me, i'd do everything in my power to figure out where the read is coming from and whether it has a good foundation before i'd write them off as a wolf. not once in my life have i been so confident in someone else's amy-reading abilities as to jump straight to "if X is wrong on my alignment, they're wolfing" without any intermediary steps

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I'll probably respect it if Logic flips town because he seems really confident in it and my townread on Visor has pretty shaky reasoning. Idk if I would follow it right now, though.

I actually know everyone in this game quite well except like 3 of you.

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

I'll probably respect it if Logic flips town because he seems really confident in it and my townread on Visor has pretty shaky reasoning. Idk if I would follow it right now, though.

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Who is confidently reading Logic? Because they are mafia lol.

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Originally Posted by luvs2spooge

Who is confidently reading Logic? Because they are mafia lol.

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No, I meant that Logic seems really confident in Visor being mafia for the way he treated and apparently misread Logic. This is the sort of thing I'm willing to give plenty of weight if Logic is town.

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

No, I meant that Logic seems really confident in Visor being mafia for the way he treated and apparently misread Logic. This is the sort of thing I'm willing to give plenty of weight if Logic is town.

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Although there was at least one person confidently reading Logic and it was ladd. He came in and basically called a lot of Logic's posts wolfy while dropping a vote on him.

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Originally Posted by ladd

vote logic

seems like an obvious wolf

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Originally Posted by ladd

sure thing



wolfy post

wolfy post


wolfy post

wolfy post

wolfy post

wolfy post

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This doesn't quote the embedded posts properly, but you can at least jump to them.

Do you think Visor and Ladd could be W/W for how they've interacted?

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

Although there was at least one person confidently reading Logic and it was ladd. He came in and basically called a lot of Logic's posts wolfy while dropping a vote on him.

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I meant confidently townreading him. I thought that was what you were saying.

Confidently wolfreading Logic is towny. Because Logic is very wolfy.

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

This doesn't quote the embedded posts properly, but you can at least jump to them.

Do you think Visor and Ladd could be W/W for how they've interacted?

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You know the drill with Ladd. If Logic is town we kill Ladd. If Logic is mafia the mafia kill Ladd. Either way Ladd is already dead. Long live Ladd.

The only person I remember trying to defend Logic is Boquise. He didn't do it confidently, but he definitely did try to change the wagon.

Look I know it might be all like "wow even this random guy thinks Logic is mafia" too many people suspect Logic. This guy is sus. Opportunistic. Blah blah blah.

But like, Logic has been wolfy pretty much since their opening post and has not stopped being wolfy. Ladd is not likely to bus Logic that bluntly because it gives a teammate zero out. If Ladd is town and wasn't super sure he would not post that way. So I am treating them as hard different.

If there is anyone that might be a teammate of Logic's that's kinda being a bit meh about the whole Logic shit it's either Pizza or Visor. I have had a fair few moments of reading Visor's content where I was a little bit perturbed. But on the whole he's better than most.

My last readslist remains valid. I have no updates to the reads within it.

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

The only person I remember trying to defend Logic is Boquise. He didn't do it confidently, but he definitely did try to change the wagon.

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Yes and I think Boq has been kinda wolfy. As per my readslist.

I am super sketch on you. Like, looking at the wolf reads of a town and attacking them for not making sense as a world together is such a typical reach for mafia to make on town I just am probs gonna suspect you until you single handedly pelt a mafia because of it frankly. Good luck friend!

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

The only person I remember trying to defend Logic is Boquise. He didn't do it confidently, but he definitely did try to change the wagon.

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Nah. I did not try to change the wagon tbh
I am just giving my perspective and I find it more useful to vote elsewhere.

I really feel it should be obvious who I am by now but maybe I'm just not as important as I thought I was.

logic's super pessimistic about his wolf game, there's definitely a world where w!logic gets hard discouraged after being the thread's First Big Wolfread tm and just asks to be turbobussed

at which point i think the least logic-aligned person would probably be boquise, who i otherwise think looks like the obvious level 0 logic partner lmao

Also Vulgard, weird that you think so, given your recent experiences you have described tbh

You should know that having nuance and also applying old burns to a read tbh

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Originally Posted by luvs2spooge

Yes and I think Boq has been kinda wolfy. As per my readslist.

I am super sketch on you. Like, looking at the wolf reads of a town and attacking them for not making sense as a world together is such a typical reach for mafia to make on town I just am probs gonna suspect you until you single handedly pelt a mafia because of it frankly. Good luck friend!

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I honestly get it, so fair enough.

I'm never going to single-handedly pelt a mafia, though. Unless it's Pizza, then I think I deserve the credit.

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Originally Posted by luvs2spooge

I really feel it should be obvious who I am by now but maybe I'm just not as important as I thought I was.

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unless this is manti i have no fucking idea

and i kinda wanna live in the fantasy world where you are simply spooge

Luvs definitely knows a lot of us. I am trying to not focus on trying to work out who they are.

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Originally Posted by Boquise

Also Vulgard, weird that you think so, given your recent experiences you have described tbh

You should know that having nuance and also applying old burns to a read tbh

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I'm just bringing this up, I don't actually have a read on you.

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Originally Posted by luvs2spooge

I really feel it should be obvious who I am by now but maybe I'm just not as important as I thought I was.

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In my defense I am terrible at working out who people are.

i haven't even worked out who i am yet

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Originally Posted by Ampharos

i haven't even worked out who i am yet

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i haven't even worked out how i am yet

One day we will come to a mafia world where sharing nuanced thought about a player is not considered wolfy, but that day isn't today tbh

So until then, I will return to be level 0 and join in with the pitchfork tbh

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

i haven't even worked out how i am yet

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I haven't even worked out where I am yet.

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

I'm just bringing this up, I don't actually have a read on you.

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I am not talking about reads. I am countering your claim tbh

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Originally Posted by Boquise

I am not talking about reads. I am countering your claim tbh

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Oh yeah. Yup, I guess you have a point that you weren't like "DO NOT VOTE LOGIC HE TOWN." I was referring to you doing that indirectly by presenting your thought but it feels like a reach now that I'm looking at it again.

Ngl if Logic's town we wasted this entire day phase.

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Originally Posted by Boquise

One day we will come to a mafia world where sharing nuanced thought about a player is not considered wolfy, but that day isn't today tbh

So until then, I will return to be level 0 and join in with the pitchfork tbh

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I scumread you because you're wolfy. I dunno about any of dem reads.

kinda like boq's responses to vulgard here

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

Ngl if Logic's town we wasted this entire day phase.

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No if Logic is town we could wolf Ladd lol.

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Originally Posted by Ampharos

kinda like boq's responses to vulgard here

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Wolf Boq is nothing if not aggro at defending himself from accurate suspicion.

i don't think this is particularly aggro for boq

that's why i like the responses

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Originally Posted by Ampharos

i don't think this is particularly aggro for boq

that's why i like the responses

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Is that sooooo.

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Originally Posted by luvs2spooge

No if Logic is town we could wolf Ladd lol.

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I guess? It feels kinda weird to just insta punt him if Logic's town but I guess the fact ladd was like "Logic wolfy die" while refusing to elaborate much and expressing a lot of confidence would reflect him low-effort killing a villager which he usually doesn't do as town.

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Originally Posted by dyachei

I'm not doing nothing else though?

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You are probably town for keep driving this point when i have even before this discussion happened walked back on the FoS tbh

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

I guess? It feels kinda weird to just insta punt him if Logic's town but I guess the fact ladd was like "Logic wolfy die" while refusing to elaborate much and expressing a lot of confidence would reflect him low-effort killing a villager which he usually doesn't do as town.

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agreed

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Originally Posted by Visor

yikes pal

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Visor/Kagemusha slightly paired tbh

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Originally Posted by Ampharos

my level 69 read is that this is too blatant a "LOOK AT ME I'M PARTNERED WITH LOGIC" post to actually be partnered with logic

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Yes tbh

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Originally Posted by luvs2spooge

this reads like you know you are unvoting a wolf

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That's weird considering I have not voted Logic thus I cannot unvote him tbh

Logic is wolfy, the last time I thought so he was town. The fact that everyone else thinks he is wolfy makes me unsure tbh

Quick notice that neither Luv or Visor have asked me why I am voting Kage tbh

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Originally Posted by Boquise

Quick notice that neither Luv or Visor have asked me why I am voting Kage tbh

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y u do

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Originally Posted by luvs2spooge

Wolf Boq is nothing if not aggro at defending himself from accurate suspicion.

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Me being sarcastic is not being aggressive tbh
Do you want me to share games where I am town and react to being scum read?

Also I don't remember playing with you before tbh

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Originally Posted by Boquise

Me being sarcastic is not being aggressive tbh
Do you want me to share games where I am town and react to being scum read?

Also I don't remember playing with you before tbh

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lol

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Originally Posted by luvs2spooge

y u do

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Too late smh tbh
I will go on lunch now. Future Boq will return to talk about it before eod

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Originally Posted by luvs2spooge

lol

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What's funny tbh?

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Originally Posted by Boquise

What's funny tbh?

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I can't say it without outing myself and I am enjoying alting too much.

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Originally Posted by luvs2spooge

Is that sooooo.

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Yeh i don't really feel aggro rn tbh

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Originally Posted by luvs2spooge

I can't say it without outing myself and I am enjoying alting too much.

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Oh you are Dale

ok replace aggro with "vigorously self defensive with mild omgus tendency"

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Originally Posted by Boquise

Oh you are Dale

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God no. If I was Dale I'd be tunneling Hollowkatt.

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Originally Posted by Ampharos

i have an immediate concern w/ how logic's reentered the thread but i'm gonna sit on it for a bit to see if it's self-correcting

mostly posting this because it's fun to watch logic squirm

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I don't really think his pop in was bad it was just okay. seen worse

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

I think Logic is fully in wolf meta.

But I also am noting no push back against the wagon, like almost zilch.

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So I have 0 meta knowledge of Logic. What do he do as town vs mafia?

i think HK is fully in town meta. Good to see :D

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Originally Posted by Logic

This reads to me like a wolfy "don't rock the boat and yeet a villager that no one will be upset to lose.

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I do at least agree with not liking the Vulgard quote Logic brings up here

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Logic just feels like a slot everyone has silently agreed is mafia and I'm probably okay with yeeting him.

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Originally Posted by Cape90

i think HK is fully in town meta. Good to see :D

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Yes. HK is obvious town. Good read. You're also obvious town.

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

This doesn't quote the embedded posts properly, but you can at least jump to them.

Do you think Visor and Ladd could be W/W for how they've interacted?

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guessing u mean ladd/logic :laugh:

I think it's certainly possible, I wouldn't just put it past ladd. Literally suspected in a decent position to bus if that's what ladd really wanted to do there if they are wolf.

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Originally Posted by luvs2spooge

I really feel it should be obvious who I am by now but maybe I'm just not as important as I thought I was.

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nope

no idea

too tired to really read into that

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Originally Posted by Ampharos

logic's super pessimistic about his wolf game, there's definitely a world where w!logic gets hard discouraged after being the thread's First Big Wolfread tm and just asks to be turbobussed

at which point i think the least logic-aligned person would probably be boquise, who i otherwise think looks like the obvious level 0 logic partner lmao

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I will... think on this though. There are raisins why I am skeptical to jump to that conclusion exactly

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Originally Posted by luvs2spooge

Yes. HK is obvious town. Good read. You're also obvious town.

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thanks, though I have 0 idea about you, at least through a casual skim of the thread versus actually deep diving.

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Originally Posted by luvs2spooge

No if Logic is town we could wolf Ladd lol.

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your talking to a wolf probably :laugh:. Nothing Vulgard has done so far has moved me off the needle from my initial read on him, it really almost feels too easy to be him.

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Originally Posted by Cape90

guessing u mean ladd/logic :laugh:

I think it's certainly possible, I wouldn't just put it past ladd. Literally suspected in a decent position to bus if that's what ladd really wanted to do there if they are wolf.

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No, I did mean Visor/Ladd.

I have decided luvs2spooge is town. Who are they? I know people who they are not I suppose.

Also Boq's recentish postings haven't been great, but idk I think they at least ticked off checkboxes on how I expected town Boq to read me.

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Originally Posted by ladd

he was actually one of my few villagers while catching up

https://media.giphy.com/media/gSIz6gGLhguOY/giphy.gif

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I am guessing this

and

maybe? but they only really interacted that 1 time besides visor i think telling ladd how to post gifs?

I think Visor is townier then ladd, though I suppose not a hard task

Kind of liked their Csargo post and subsequent read on them. Had villagers suspect me for similar things. Question at Kage was towny since that player is super null as they haven't done too much. Yeah not that towny, but it's more then ladd ig.

Also your post really did not reflect on this interaction Vulgard, you quoted the susp on Logic.

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Originally Posted by Cape90

So I have 0 meta knowledge of Logic. What do he do as town vs mafia?

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As both alignments he doesn't play super high intensity so low posting is kinda expected but

As town he has, for lack of a better term, a thread of logic through his posts. I don't necessarily agree/vibe with the solving but you read post to post and you're like yes, this tracks. He also gets into a thread with more ease, a little jokey at first before getting into solving.

As wolf he struggles much more with 'fitting' in thread and feels awkward trying to get involved. He also feels more required to out reads early.

I haven't seen his wolf game for a few years, but from what I saw last year the town game still fits the mental module I have for him, which makes me moderately confident that the wolf game fitting my model here still vibes.

Mental model*

I have no idea how that autocorrected to module o.O

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Originally Posted by Boquise

Quick notice that neither Luv or Visor have asked me why I am voting Kage tbh

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Idk bronana it's fairly obvious that you can vote him for not having much to say about the game and just posting 'offtopic' but he's an old-school orger and first game in years so it doesn't mean anything for me tbh

Visor (2): Montmo, Logic
HK (2): Taffy, Csargo
Luv2spooge (1): HK
ATPG (1): luv2spooge
Ender (1): ATPG
Logic (5): Amy, Ender, Vulgard, Ladd, Visor
Renata (1): Kagemusha
Kage (1): Boquise

EOD in a bit less than 12 hours. (7 PM EST)

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Originally Posted by Visor

Idk bronana it's fairly obvious that you can vote him for not having much to say about the game and just posting 'offtopic' but he's an old-school orger and first game in years so it doesn't mean anything for me tbh

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You're wrong tho tbh

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Originally Posted by Cape90

I have decided luvs2spooge is town. Who are they? I know people who they are not I suppose.

Also Boq's recentish postings haven't been great, but idk I think they at least ticked off checkboxes on how I expected town Boq to read me.

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Can you elaborate on why you believe Boq's recent posting has been poor?

Kagemusha is hard null.

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

Are you dissatisfied with the main suspicions being thrown around?

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I have a dislike of going with consensus especially D1 because it often lands on town and it provides easy cover for wolves. If we're all throwing a lot of reads/observations around, then they are forced to do so as well and the D5 conversation can be better than "you voted Logic - well so did you - yes but my reasons were more genuine than your reasons".

Taffy is moderately likely town unless I'm misreading my own notes on her play.

The caveat is that I was fooled by her team like 2 games ago so she may have a better read on how to fool me than most rn.

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Originally Posted by Ampharos

independent of gamestate, what's your read on logic

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At the start of the game I felt like Logic was trying too hard to fit in with the "whoo let's do all the wolf tells" game that was going. Post #133 specifically gave me that impression, and I think others thought the same because the flow of the thread suddenly came to a halt at that time until Cape obliviously broke the silence. Logic's early reads list contained nothing surprising so I don't know why he felt the need to make it at that time. However, he has since posted very much like I'd expect a town in his position to post. I have never played with Logic before, nor read any of his games, so I don't know how good a wolf he is.