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Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy

Maple's posts give me the impression of someone who is purposely trying to bait investigatives and I think it's towny
We did wolf together in the previous game here if you want to go and look at it

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that's. an interesting thought. why would a townie do that tho? xD

also... what gave you that impression? (this is probably the more important thing)

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Originally Posted by Maple

All that said, it should be incredibly obvious to you, at this moment, that I will not die today. If you wish to live, I strongly recommend you attempt to create a more viable counterwagon. Good luck.

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your wolfread on me is wolfie asf because it's just OMGUS, this is the easiest thing to do as wolf ever because you can just talk about how wrong a scumread is on you forever and then say "I think your push is not good faith" and boom thats your push for the day

your ENTIRE reason is that my push is unconvincing?

this is literally what Kat did in HSR, I cased her and then she spent like 20 days talking about how my read was wrong and I'm a wolf for it without actually doing anything else

also youre not even sheeping people on Taffy if youre voting me??? also if you want to sheep people with strong convictions why aren't you sheeping Waza on me? he said I never flip wolf, whats the diff?

(I have an idea about the difference. it's that I'm actively pushing you)

also youre talking to me like you know im town lmao. you feel complacent with the gamestate (Taffy/Sunbae/Annika wagons) which I STILL think are v/v/v

I'm gonna reiterate that every time I've pushed a wolf their response is to OMGUS immediately, this can be a town thing too but it's super super >>>rand wolf to just respond like "omg your push is so bad you must be a wolf!!" it literally happens every time lmao

Town

waza
pzelda
didistetter
Lissa

dyachei
annika
Taffy

POE

Sunbae
nebjiamn
Maple
Raskolnikov
Ender
Visor

I'm extremely torn on which of taffy/sunbae/benneh to put in my towns

i don't feel like explaining why i dropped benneh, it basically boils down to me thinking annika is probably just town now

See thats exactly what I'm saying lol

You're contradicting and counterarguing with irrelevant things, such as how katz of all people push you. If you want to call my push on you OMGUS, that's fine by me.

In fact I'd say over the years I have a pretty good track record of doming wolves into a grave when they try going on me lol

ugh, ladd is in my poe too

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Originally Posted by annika

that's. an interesting thought. why would a townie do that tho? xD

also... what gave you that impression? (this is probably the more important thing)

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She has a naturally fluffy and chaotic playstyle that gets her suspected and then she wriggles out of getting yeeted
and this game I feel like she's playing it up

why would a wolf seek more attention?
for a townie: to get cleared

if you want, you could say that my only experience with her are two wolf games and now she's "different" but I don't think reads like that are very reliable

Taffy (30)

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Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy

She has a naturally fluffy and chaotic playstyle that gets her suspected and then she wriggles out of getting yeeted
and this game I feel like she's playing it up

why would a wolf seek more attention?
for a townie: to get cleared

if you want, you could say that my only experience with her are two wolf games and now she's "different" but I don't think reads like that are very reliable

Taffy (30)

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Taffy I think you're gonna die probably unless you find someone else to vote here so I implore you to do that rather than finding some villagers rn

I like annika better now :3

who wants to d1 lim ladd

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Originally Posted by Arctic

Taffy I think you're gonna die probably unless you find someone else to vote here so I implore you to do that rather than finding some villagers rn

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Vote: Arctic

last game i died d1 and the game before i died d2, but i don't recall any game we have ever played that you have village read me, so i have just ignored your read on me for the most part arctic (outside of the stett thing which was just wrong)

since i stopped tryharding a couple years ago, i have been miskilled most games and the games i haven't been its because I've been a pr (and would have died otherwise)

so i don't really put much stock into any kind of 'meta read' on me, when the meta has been to kill me regardless of alignment, lol (and not because i have been playing well lol) (pzelda has been away for approximately the time i stopped tryharding, so having a different idea of how i play is not unexpected).

i don't mind annikas response to manti there

still happy with taffy going over

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Originally Posted by Visor

last game i died d1 and the game before i died d2, but i don't recall any game we have ever played that you have village read me, so i have just ignored your read on me for the most part arctic (outside of the stett thing which was just wrong)

since i stopped tryharding a couple years ago, i have been miskilled most games and the games i haven't been its because I've been a pr (and would have died otherwise)

so i don't really put much stock into any kind of 'meta read' on me, when the meta has been to kill me regardless of alignment, lol (and not because i have been playing well lol) (pzelda has been away for approximately the time i stopped tryharding, so having a different idea of how i play is not unexpected).

i don't mind annikas response to manti there

still happy with taffy going over

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What did you like about it in particular? I saw it as just more of the same.

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Originally Posted by Visor

last game i died d1 and the game before i died d2, but i don't recall any game we have ever played that you have village read me, so i have just ignored your read on me for the most part arctic (outside of the stett thing which was just wrong)

since i stopped tryharding a couple years ago, i have been miskilled most games and the games i haven't been its because I've been a pr (and would have died otherwise)

so i don't really put much stock into any kind of 'meta read' on me, when the meta has been to kill me regardless of alignment, lol (and not because i have been playing well lol) (pzelda has been away for approximately the time i stopped tryharding, so having a different idea of how i play is not unexpected).

i don't mind annikas response to manti there

still happy with taffy going over

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Oh ffs I'm PR and there's anti-claim get off you dunces

How many ways can I soft it

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Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy

Oh ffs I'm PR and there's anti-claim get off you dunces

How many ways can I soft it

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Ohhhhhhhhh THATS what you meant

Lmao

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Originally Posted by waza

but cmon that seriously cant be the only scenario in which u would think i would act this way. esp since u and lissa have seen me do this before. ben even saw me do it to santy 2 mashes back (santy was wolf vig so i sniped him hehe get rekd santy) and lissa saw me play a game last mash where i call out zero posters. so both of them know first hand i will do stuff like this, so for them to be so confused and taken back by it didnt sit right

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you heavily overestimate how much I remember or noticed about the nuances of your play last game after the first couple hours of the game

the conversation we had about it was specifically about SoD active lurking

anyway I just don't, like. think it's useful to actually push people who are 0 posting in a setting like this

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Originally Posted by Visor

last game i died d1 and the game before i died d2, but i don't recall any game we have ever played that you have village read me, so i have just ignored your read on me for the most part arctic (outside of the stett thing which was just wrong)

since i stopped tryharding a couple years ago, i have been miskilled most games and the games i haven't been its because I've been a pr (and would have died otherwise)

so i don't really put much stock into any kind of 'meta read' on me, when the meta has been to kill me regardless of alignment, lol (and not because i have been playing well lol) (pzelda has been away for approximately the time i stopped tryharding, so having a different idea of how i play is not unexpected).

i don't mind annikas response to manti there

still happy with taffy going over

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i still don't understand why people keep miskilling you

There is anticlaim?? Also I have no idea where you were softing that. I'm kinda surprised you spent this time waffling finding people to call town instead of finding a wolf. If you were a PR it would be better to just push on some random person to save yourself, but this doesn't really feel like that

The setup is "normal" which I assumes mean vanilla roles only and there is nothing about anticlaim so I would love to know where you got that from

okay last game was a "normal" game and i had a restriction where i had to write like a 15 line poem every night or be vanillaized

so idk what we're in for here

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Originally Posted by Arctic

There is anticlaim?? Also I have no idea where you were softing that. I'm kinda surprised you spent this time waffling finding people to call town instead of finding a wolf. If you were a PR it would be better to just push on some random person to save yourself, but this doesn't really feel like that

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Originally Posted by Arctic

The setup is "normal" which I assumes mean vanilla roles only and there is nothing about anticlaim so I would love to know where you got that from

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the attempt to derp yourself VT is noted

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Originally Posted by Arctic

the post before this was lissa basically shutting down your read because that's just how stett plays

now.. she probably wasn't explicitly calling it wolfy because you may not be aware of that meta, but it was still implying that the push was not good

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even though this isn't strictly inaccurate it feels like a weird gotcha/point

I am explicitly townreading visor (including in that LITERAL SAME POST), and I think that post was kinda obviously me like. interacting with someone I think is a villager about something I think they're reading the wrong way?

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

3) his post @ lissa about not needing to re-evaluate or reconsider things on day 1. this is a weak one, cause tis very much in his town wheelhouse to be that supportive townie who pushes others to believe in themselves, but that one also felt kind of off to me, because lissa was literally saying she townread everyone in the game and had 0 wolf reads. she definitely needed to re-eval something. and sunbae's post to that came off a bit "dont worry about it, everythings fine.gif"

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I did think that was a bit odd

I had literally just written out that I had at least a light townread on like all but one? of the people who had posted ITT, of course I'm going to look again at things

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Originally Posted by Visor

Fwiw re sunbae I didn't like his post re ender in part due to the lack of full stop at the end (and the vibe of the thing)

Felt like wolf sunbae joke tone

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Villagery punctuation reads

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

Lissa gets to be sus because after all that review to come out with a "Oops all towrneads" feels kinda bad.

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@EnderWiggin I did that post BECAUSE I was realizing I had all townreads, so I don't understand what you're saying here; "all that review"? It was just me looking at the playerlist and writing down my reads?

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Originally Posted by Visor

since i stopped tryharding a couple years ago, i have been miskilled most games and the games i haven't been its because I've been a pr (and would have died otherwise)

so i don't really put much stock into any kind of 'meta read' on me, when the meta has been to kill me regardless of alignment, lol (and not because i have been playing well lol) (pzelda has been away for approximately the time i stopped tryharding, so having a different idea of how i play is not unexpected).

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I feel this. The days of being n1d I honestly do not miss.

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Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy

the attempt to derp yourself VT is noted

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I'm being honest here so I'd appreciate if you engaged with me rather than assuming you think I have ulterior motives :D

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Originally Posted by Maple

okay last game was a "normal" game and i had a restriction where i had to write like a 15 line poem every night or be vanillaized

so idk what we're in for here

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A different definition of normal than I would have assumed, sounds like


I do think sunbae kinda feels like holistically villagery even though there's some odd stuff about his posting

mmm

Vote: unvote

im pretty sure taffy is legit.

we're not voting there today.

also not voting annika.

so unironically

vote: ladd ill speedskim lissa

scum read on a pr is forgiveable its tricky with ben capped

MOD NOTE
SINCE THERE WAS A COMMON MISUNDERSTANDING THAT POSTCAP WOULD BE LIFTED BEFORE EOD, FOR DAY ONE ONLY I WILL ALLOW POSTCAPPED PLAYERS TO POST WITH A VOTE ONLY

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Originally Posted by Lissa

A different definition of normal than I would have assumed, sounds like


I do think sunbae kinda feels like holistically villagery even though there's some odd stuff about his posting

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where are you at now then

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Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy

Oh ffs I'm PR and there's anti-claim get off you dunces

How many ways can I soft it

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ben, pzelda, waza capped but
@Raskolnikov @ladd @Visor @Sunbae @Maple @Lissa @Arctic
@EnderWiggen @annika @dyachei

@Gemma can we get a vc pls owo

Vote: Ladd

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Originally Posted by didistetter

ben, pzelda, waza capped but
@Raskolnikov @ladd @Visor @Sunbae @Maple @Lissa @Arctic
@EnderWiggen @annika @dyachei

@Gemma can we get a vc pls owo

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And still we have yet to see a successful Ender ping

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Originally Posted by Visor

where are you at now then

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tryna catch up real fast hoping for a vc to see where we're at as well

we are obv not killing taffy now

I don't believe Taffy's claim at all lmao

Funny how that everyone wants to not kill them now, I actually do

I still don't get what this is about anticlaim, how do we know that exists

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Originally Posted by Lissa

@EnderWiggin I did that post BECAUSE I was realizing I had all townreads, so I don't understand what you're saying here; "all that review"? It was just me looking at the playerlist and writing down my reads?

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"all that review" was your previous posts not that one.

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Originally Posted by Arctic

I don't believe Taffy's claim at all lmao

Funny how that everyone wants to not kill them now, I actually do

I still don't get what this is about anticlaim, how do we know that exists

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it's fine to let it live for a day.

Getting too in the weeds on this risks outting people as PR/VT

please do not.

i don't immediately want to crucify ladd, we just need to not lim taffy

Also I sit corrected:
Lissa has won successful first ping of Ender

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Day 1 - Votes from post 1 through 593

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
2	ladd	didistetter (46), nebjiamn (51)
2	Totally not Taffy	Visor (47), ladd (34)
2	Arctic	EnderWiggin (39), Totally not Taffy (35)
2	Sunbae	dyachei (20), pzelda (51)
2	annika	Lissa (43), Maple (44)
1	Raskolnikov	waza (50)
1	Maple	annika (46)
1	dyachei	Sunbae (33)
2	Not Voting	Arctic (43), Raskolnikov (0)

what if i did a drive by to say tee hee i am also a pr

:curtain:

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Originally Posted by Arctic

I don't believe Taffy's claim at all lmao

Funny how that everyone wants to not kill them now, I actually do

I still don't get what this is about anticlaim, how do we know that exists

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we are not gonna kill a pr claim on d1 without a very good reason lol, cmon

agree w/ stett let's not keep talking about it for today

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

"all that review" was your previous posts not that one.

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well it's still a weird point, think my progressions up to assorted stuff are all pretty clear

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Originally Posted by Arctic

I don't believe Taffy's claim at all lmao

Funny how that everyone wants to not kill them now, I actually do

I still don't get what this is about anticlaim, how do we know that exists

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1. Definitely there are PRs in this game. "Setup was reviewed by" doesn't get added in mountainous and mountainous =/= "normal"

2. Anticlaim exists in a lot of org games but sometimes only gets told to PRs.

3. I don't know if I believe Taffy but at this point I don't see the benefit in crucifying it when leaving it to sit is more damning if she is wolf.

gonna be funny if two PR claims mean we d1 lim afk ladd and he's town and ben is maf again and annika was just cooking.

i have no fucking idea what to do here lol

but you dont get to say "oh whoops i misread you cause you were a pr" cause your reasons for wolfreading me were BAD regardless

:whip:

I don't believe taffy at all but 2 of my biggest suspects are voting her so idk

Also I am glad we are inviting the wolves to claim PR to escape the elim

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Originally Posted by Arctic

I don't believe taffy at all but 2 of my biggest suspects are voting her so idk

Also I am glad we are inviting the wolves to claim PR to escape the elim

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just have everyone claim pr then we sleep

Vote:Rask

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

but you dont get to say "oh whoops i misread you cause you were a pr" cause your reasons for wolfreading me were BAD regardless

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@Sunbae since you're claiming pr can you publically affirm if there's something to validate taffy's claim of anticlaim to help redirect wagons pls :3

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Originally Posted by Lissa

we are not gonna kill a pr claim on d1 without a very good reason lol, cmon

agree w/ stett let's not keep talking about it for today



well it's still a weird point, think my progressions up to assorted stuff are all pretty clear

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You had several negative notes in the review to only end up at oops all villagers.

Your progression being solid doesn't matter to me because I respect you as a player and everyone I respect can fake progression.

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

but you dont get to say "oh whoops i misread you cause you were a pr" cause your reasons for wolfreading me were BAD regardless

:whip:

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I townread you :plead:

townreads:
Stett
Waza
Arctic
pzelda
Taffy — idk what's going on with the PR claim but she still FEELS villagery, like the thought about Manti being villagery for baiting investigatives is...really unique and creative I think, idk if she would come up with that as a wolf?

townleans:
Lissa
Sunbae — the wallpost was villagery I think :3c. EDIT: SHE CLAIMED PR TOO??? WAS I RIGHT ABOUT THE V/V/V WAGONS? wait but she said something like "if I get got so be it", idk if that makes sense from a PR? xD
Visor — idk feels right soz arcy
Ladd — I got a bit more confident about this after backreading a bit, I like how he came to his scumread on Taffy a lot 306. kinda like stopping for a couple minutes to think about it/backread a bit, he seemed like a villager genuinely thinking through his read
Dya
Ben? — idk he's kinda villagery LOL i'll read him tmrw

PoE:
Maple — my MAIN sr. >:3
Ender — idk I haven't really read his posts HELPPP
Rask

I'm saving like 10 posts for EoD next time, having four is not enough

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so we don't want Taffy dead now right? I'm actually also curious why we know there's anticlaim but im guessing it's part of Taffy's role?

Arcy feels super townie this EoD. if he dies today I'll be annoyed lol. idk I don't really want to kill Ladd either but I get why

...WAIT SUNBAE CLAIMED TOO??? help is that a joke???

idk if I believe Sunbae @Sunbae didn't you say smth like "if I get got then so be it" earlier? in 545. was that just to throw wolves off your trail?

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

I townread you :plead:

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i bestow upon thee the highest honor i can: the affirmative head nod

Feel good about my vote. Don't understand how yall see her response to me as good at all. Would definitely prefer annika over ladd here. I think ladd's been perfectly ~fine so far.

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Originally Posted by Arctic

I don't believe taffy at all but 2 of my biggest suspects are voting her so idk

Also I am glad we are inviting the wolves to claim PR to escape the elim

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As someone who sometimes explicitly says "ignore the PR claim when reading games" the cost/benefit to limming a claimed PR d1 when it's not at risk of CC isn't high.

It's later game when that needs to be considered.

I'm pretty sure taffy just made up the anticlaim thing so that she didn't have to come up with a fakeclaim

I have no reason to believe it exists

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

what if i did a drive by to say tee hee i am also a pr

:curtain:

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I'm spartacus

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

i bestow upon thee the highest honor i can: the affirmative head nod

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https://gifdb.com/images/high/blesse...3rm0w20p8o.gif

i got like 5-7 less posts left than i was thinkin whoops

stett pzelda visor ben all my strongest v i think

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Originally Posted by didistetter

gonna be funny if two PR claims mean we d1 lim afk ladd and he's town and ben is maf again and annika was just cooking.

i have no fucking idea what to do here lol

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would be pretty unfort lol

i will reread ladd

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

You had several negative notes in the review to only end up at oops all villagers.

Your progression being solid doesn't matter to me because I respect you as a player and everyone I respect can fake progression.

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i mean this is just how i play as a villager

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

possibly part of why i don't get nked wowee

sunbae probably v

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Originally Posted by didistetter

@Sunbae since you're claiming pr can you publically affirm if there's something to validate taffy's claim of anticlaim to help redirect wagons pls :3

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i can do nothing one way or another (i dont feel like confirming or denying a claim based on mod communication is really right even if i understand how its come up here). i would prefer to not be involved in that and will be voting or clearing taffy based on posts in the thread (i dont think theres anything wrong with the question im just a bit stickly about things like that to my detriment sometime). and would prefer this to get dropped sorry

annika: sometimes i say things whoops

Vote: Maple

ender haiii <3 we are around at the same time!

yall eod is cutting into my "hang out with cute women" time lettuce cfd benneh or something funny like that dude capped

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Day 1 - Votes from post 1 through 616

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
2	Maple	annika (47), nebjiamn (52)
2	Totally not Taffy	Visor (48), ladd (34)
2	Arctic	EnderWiggin (44), Totally not Taffy (35)
2	Sunbae	dyachei (20), pzelda (51)
2	annika	Lissa (45), Maple (45)
1	Raskolnikov	waza (51)
1	dyachei	Sunbae (39)
1	ladd	didistetter (48)
2	Not Voting	Arctic (45), Raskolnikov (0)

20 minutes to deadline.

The lack of motion in Rask's house is a sadness that I'd like to dedicate a shrine to.

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

Vote: Maple

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erm what the flip

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I'd vote any of taffy/maple/ladd/rask of these

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

ender haiii <3 we are around at the same time!

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I was fully expecting you to dip at any moment =P

Fitting that it's EOD.

What do you think about my Lissa point? I think you've already disagreed with my Arctic read sadness.

vote: ender

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Originally Posted by Visor

vote: ender

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One day you'll get this right *pat*

i forgor your arctic read but i have lissa as town

dont worry yall if i get d1d i'll setup dvc bingo

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I say like Visor hasn't limmed me as wolf many many times.

Unvote:arctic

knowing/confirming existence of a mech as a claimed pr isn't mod comms and potentially saves other prs from having to heavily soft to get people off taffy but bleg fine whatever. Won't argue with personal moral code.

Unvote: ladd
@annika ik u want to vote maple. is that p much it for where you'd go for today or what?
@Arctic outside of taffy what are you thinking? @Lissa @EnderWiggin if yall had to put down your vote rn whatcha thinkin

one post left, saving for vote

ladd def feels a bit overly surface level

also considering arctic, visor stuff and reaction to taffy claim are both wolfy

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Unvote:annika

i really dont think its ladd or lissa friendos

Vote:rask

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

i forgor your arctic read but i have lissa as town

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Arctic read is about shading and their take on me being really uncharitable and them using it to shade me before admitting it was uncharitable "I knew it was uncharitable" when I called it out.

Lissa thing was because their "Ooops all townreads" feels kinda bad after all the reread work but I'm starting to not believe in this one anyway anymore.

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Originally Posted by Arctic

I'd vote any of taffy/maple/ladd/rask of these

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ye we need to consolidate lol

I'm voting Maple or Rask today I think, lmk if you have a preference. im kinda excited because ben voted maple and I started thinking ben was town LOL so that makes me feel good about it

I could go Rask too, kind of a copout and not as exciting to me

lmk if you have a preference

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Originally Posted by didistetter

knowing/confirming existence of a mech as a claimed pr isn't mod comms and potentially saves other prs from having to heavily soft to get people off taffy but bleg fine whatever. Won't argue with personal moral code.

Unvote: ladd
@annika ik u want to vote maple. is that p much it for where you'd go for today or what?
@Arctic outside of taffy what are you thinking? @Lissa @EnderWiggin if yall had to put down your vote rn whatcha thinkin

one post left, saving for vote

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I have a vote down and I feel like I've clearly stated who I'd be willing to vote.

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

Arctic read is about shading and their take on me being really uncharitable and them using it to shade me before admitting it was uncharitable "I knew it was uncharitable" when I called it out.

Lissa thing was because their "Ooops all townreads" feels kinda bad after all the reread work but I'm starting to not believe in this one anyway anymore.

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oh no, i have arctic in my wolf pile. the long post of "removing arctic" was arctic asked me if arctic/dya were v/v where would i go. i think oops all townreads early is perfectly fine for lissa fwiw

I could consolidate on Maple if necessary but I definitely feel much stronger about Arctic.

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Day 1 - Votes from post 1 through 639

Votes	Target	Voters (Posts in Phase)
2	Maple	annika (48), nebjiamn (52)
2	Arctic	EnderWiggin (51), Totally not Taffy (35)
2	Sunbae	dyachei (20), pzelda (51)
2	annika	Lissa (46), Maple (48)
1	EnderWiggin	Visor (49)
1	Raskolnikov	waza (54)
1	Totally not Taffy	ladd (34)
1	dyachei	Sunbae (43)
1	ladd	didistetter (49)
2	Not Voting	Arctic (46), Raskolnikov (0)

Deadline in 13 minutes.